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Strainer	Posted - 2009.04.06 00:32:00 - [1] Now that the Falcon is getting nerfed, I thought I would jump onto the next bandwagon of whines by introducing a new series of threads to dominate the forums for the next 8-12 months. Looking forward to many stories about how RR gangs have screwed you over.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.04.06 00:41:00 - [2] RRs are actually a very clever way to scale tanking as the size of an engagement goes up, without making ships invulnerable in 1v1 fights. RRs are great as they are TBH.
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.04.06 00:44:00 - [3] back in the nano nerf I said that falcons and spider tanking were next. well guess what, I hate to be right sometimes --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.06 00:44:00 - [4] BECAUSE OF FALC... BECAUSE OF RRBS.
Soi Mala	Posted - 2009.04.06 00:44:00 - [5] NO COUNTER!!!!!!!111!11!!11111!1 NERF THEM INTO THE GROUND!!!!! !!!
Trader20	Posted - 2009.04.06 00:58:00 - [6] Edited by: Trader20 on 06/04/2009 00:58:56 Ahahahaha....u nerfed my falcon, now I will nerf ur rr armor gangs...ahahahahaa Oh wait, I use rr in bs gangs, no CCP don't do it!!!!!
Trader20	Posted - 2009.04.06 01:04:00 - [7] Falcons don't work without gangs RR don't work without gangs Falcons have no counters RR have no counters Falcons are impossible to kill (with a good pilot) RR bs gangs are impossible to kill (with good gang) Falcons are the I-win button RR are the I-win button Run RR, Run!!!
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.06 01:25:00 - [8] YEAH LETS NERF THAT TEAMWORK. THOSE GUYS HELPING EACH OTHER OUT BY DOING A SMALL PART IN A CO-ORDINATED EFFORT. IT'S AWFUL. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR TEAMWORK IN A MMORPG. IT'S ALL ABOUT SOLO ROAMS.
Jaina Proudmoar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.04.06 01:32:00 - [9] Originally by: AstroPhobic YEAH LETS NERF THAT TEAMWORK. THOSE GUYS HELPING EACH OTHER OUT BY DOING A SMALL PART IN A CO-ORDINATED EFFORT. IT'S AWFUL. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR TEAMWORK IN A MMORPG. IT'S ALL ABOUT SOLO ROAMS. Remote rep is fine, neutral remote rep is bad.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.06 01:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Originally by: AstroPhobic YEAH LETS NERF THAT TEAMWORK. THOSE GUYS HELPING EACH OTHER OUT BY DOING A SMALL PART IN A CO-ORDINATED EFFORT. IT'S AWFUL. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR TEAMWORK IN A MMORPG. IT'S ALL ABOUT SOLO ROAMS. Remote rep is fine, neutral remote rep is bad. RR is aiding a GCC which gives you GCC.
4 LOM United Gamers	Posted - 2009.04.06 01:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Trader20 Falcons don't work without gangs RR don't work without gangs Falcons have no counters RR have no counters Falcons are impossible to kill (with a good pilot) RR bs gangs are impossible to kill (with good gang) Falcons are the I-win button RR are the I-win button Run RR, Run!!! Your posts are very funny isn't the counter to remote rep gangs = falcon? While a counter to a falcon certainly is not remote rep gangs. Originally by: Twilight Moon of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.06 01:45:00 - [12] Scorpion seems like a good choice here.
Trader20	Posted - 2009.04.06 01:57:00 - [13] Originally by: 4 LOM Originally by: Trader20 Falcons don't work without gangs RR don't work without gangs Falcons have no counters RR have no counters Falcons are impossible to kill (with a good pilot) RR bs gangs are impossible to kill (with good gang) Falcons are the I-win button RR are the I-win button Run RR, Run!!! Your posts are very funny isn't the counter to remote rep gangs = falcon? While a counter to a falcon certainly is not remote rep gangs. You were so close. I'm sorry the correct answer is sniper bs.
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.04.06 01:59:00 - [14] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Originally by: AstroPhobic YEAH LETS NERF THAT TEAMWORK. THOSE GUYS HELPING EACH OTHER OUT BY DOING A SMALL PART IN A CO-ORDINATED EFFORT. IT'S AWFUL. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR TEAMWORK IN A MMORPG. IT'S ALL ABOUT SOLO ROAMS. Remote rep is fine, neutral remote rep is bad. RR is aiding a GCC which gives you GCC. I never understood this whine either. In low sec RR a pirate and you take gate guns and GCC. In high sec - you get flagged to the person don't you? Im attacking a guy. He fires back. He gets a neutral to RR him. Neutral flagged to me for helping someone that is flagged to me... I shoot the repper till he goes away/dies. Am I missing something? Important Internet Spaceship League Wants You
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2009.04.06 02:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Originally by: AstroPhobic YEAH LETS NERF THAT TEAMWORK. THOSE GUYS HELPING EACH OTHER OUT BY DOING A SMALL PART IN A CO-ORDINATED EFFORT. IT'S AWFUL. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR TEAMWORK IN A MMORPG. IT'S ALL ABOUT SOLO ROAMS. Remote rep is fine, neutral remote rep is bad. RR is aiding a GCC which gives you GCC. I never understood this whine either. In low sec RR a pirate and you take gate guns and GCC. In high sec - you get flagged to the person don't you? Im attacking a guy. He fires back. He gets a neutral to RR him. Neutral flagged to me for helping someone that is flagged to me... I shoot the repper till he goes away/dies. Am I missing something? Nope.
Kowaii Rabbit o1nk	Posted - 2009.04.06 02:30:00 - [16] haha once the feverish Falcon nerf threads have done their job, out come the next whine threads. http://www.ezy-english.com/
yrknat	Posted - 2009.04.06 03:26:00 - [17] RR gangs can be beat by -rapid target changes -neuting the reppers -bumping your target out of the range of his gang. logistics only ships can still rep, but the RR fit to BS won't be useful. -ecm. i still hate ecm and think its a flawed system. cannot be gotten around by piloting, only counter does nothing when you are not being jammed. no problems with RR gangs, and they have a limited max size, big enough engagements and the ships get alphad before RR can lock & cycle.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.04.06 04:00:00 - [18] Originally by: yrknat RR gangs can be beat by -rapid target changes -neuting the reppers -bumping your target out of the range of his gang. logistics only ships can still rep, but the RR fit to BS won't be useful. -ecm. i still hate ecm and think its a flawed system. cannot be gotten around by piloting, only counter does nothing when you are not being jammed. no problems with RR gangs, and they have a limited max size, big enough engagements and the ships get alphad before RR can lock & cycle. falcons and nanos are both rather easily killed with blobs too....
Noodly Appendage	Posted - 2009.04.06 04:49:00 - [19] sigh we placing bets on whatever's next?
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.06 04:51:00 - [20] Halp I'm an EFT WARRIOR!! and I want the game to be TANK N GANK 'cuz weird junk like teamwork and support roles hurts my head!!! *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.04.06 04:54:00 - [21] the machariel is overpowered!!! it can bump-break RRBS!!! nurf! fake-edit: ohwait... i just had my first look at it since before speed nerf - putting the gist back into logistics
GenrlBaconbits Caldari G3NOCIDE CORP	Posted - 2009.04.06 05:21:00 - [22] Edited by: GenrlBaconbits on 06/04/2009 05:23:10 Originally by: Noodly Appendage sigh we placing bets on whatever's next? i bet there'll be a nerf on local logs...or mabe titans get nerfed to the point of being the largest noob ship in game?...one can hope... Originally by: SirMolle We will kill you. QFT, Molle rulez
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.04.06 05:48:00 - [23] Remote repping is killing pvp, because of falcon. Wait, I did that wrong..... Stop, hammer time.
Tista	Posted - 2009.04.06 09:20:00 - [24] why do you think the stealth bomber is getting buffed eh? you think those lock breaker and void bombs are just for show? think about it, RR needs lock to be useful, it also needs cap, so do alot of weapons, u get 3-5 SB with bombs to unload on the taget group of BS and just watch them fumble around trying to think of how to solve their issue. -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt	Posted - 2009.04.06 09:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Tista why do you think the stealth bomber is getting buffed eh? you think those lock breaker and void bombs are just for show? think about it, RR needs lock to be useful, it also needs cap, so do alot of weapons, u get 3-5 SB with bombs to unload on the taget group of BS and just watch them fumble around trying to think of how to solve their issue. 3-5 SBs? lol.
Tista	Posted - 2009.04.06 09:30:00 - [26] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Tista why do you think the stealth bomber is getting buffed eh? you think those lock breaker and void bombs are just for show? think about it, RR needs lock to be useful, it also needs cap, so do alot of weapons, u get 3-5 SB with bombs to unload on the taget group of BS and just watch them fumble around trying to think of how to solve their issue. 3-5 SBs? lol. It depends on the scale of the combat you're talking about.. if you're talking about 2 RR battleship **s in low sec who pos no threat to anyone then you don't have any issues. If you're talking about fleet warfare of 30-50 ships then 3-5 SB's is nothing, yet very effective. -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers"* Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Colonel Xaven Decadence. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.06 10:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Kowaii Rabbit haha once the feverish Falcon nerf threads have done their job, out come the next whine threads. As anticipated. What after RR? Amarr I say. Falcon whiners got new posting alts I assume. Proud member of RZR - Decadence.
Tista	Posted - 2009.04.06 10:08:00 - [28] Linkies For all the whiners:D -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
General Coochie The Bastards	Posted - 2009.04.06 10:10:00 - [29] Edited by: General Coochie on 06/04/2009 10:11:37 Yeah you gotta hate that uncloaking RR BS at 200km all of the sudden making his team mates invulnerable. With no risk of dying himself. Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
Nichola Kreed	Posted - 2009.04.06 10:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Omarvelous Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar Originally by: AstroPhobic YEAH LETS NERF THAT TEAMWORK. THOSE GUYS HELPING EACH OTHER OUT BY DOING A SMALL PART IN A CO-ORDINATED EFFORT. IT'S AWFUL. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR TEAMWORK IN A MMORPG. IT'S ALL ABOUT SOLO ROAMS. Remote rep is fine, neutral remote rep is bad. RR is aiding a GCC which gives you GCC. I never understood this whine either. In low sec RR a pirate and you take gate guns and GCC. In high sec - you get flagged to the person don't you? Im attacking a guy. He fires back. He gets a neutral to RR him. Neutral flagged to me for helping someone that is flagged to me... I shoot the repper till he goes away/dies. Am I missing something? repper dock and come back with a DPS ship and pop you
Azver Deroven Amarr Legion Of The ShiningStar Brotherhood of Legion's	Posted - 2009.04.06 10:17:00 - [31] Christ people, at least whine about somethign that deserves it like amarr. One word: Bombs. Didnt get it? Go hit your head against wall. It burns ~135 calories per hour. ---------------------------------------------------- My views do not represent those of my alliance, corporation or myself. Trully, sometimes I manage to confuse even myself.
Nichola Kreed	Posted - 2009.04.06 10:21:00 - [32] It wont take more then 3 weeks to train my falcon alt to a guardian alt. --Nichola
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.06 10:23:00 - [33] In CAOD there is a battle report in which a RR BS faced a Sniper BS fleet... guess what happened... ________________ God is my Wingman
DeadRow Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2009.04.06 10:24:00 - [34] Nerf combat tbh, I think every ship should be only allowed to equip Miner IIs or Civilian Railguns. Norrin Ellis > What?! Boobs aren't inappropriate! They feed children! For God's sake, think of the children!
Nichola Kreed	Posted - 2009.04.06 10:44:00 - [35] Originally by: DeadDuck In CAOD there is a battle report in which a RR BS faced a Sniper BS fleet... guess what happened... when you have a massive blob, which your alliance and pets always does, sniper rules, but 0.0 is not the only kind of PVP. now in gang that less than 10 men, RR is almost unbeatable. before falcon nerf, a small HAC hac & recon gang with falcon can effcientlly beat a RR BS gang in same size. after the nerf falcon have get in to pulse, drone range, and have to warp out often, the same HAC gang will hardly break RR's tank
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Nichola Kreed Originally by: DeadDuck In CAOD there is a battle report in which a RR BS faced a Sniper BS fleet... guess what happened... when you have a massive blob, which your alliance and pets always does, sniper rules, but 0.0 is not the only kind of PVP. now in gang that less than 10 men, RR is almost unbeatable. before falcon nerf, a small HAC hac & recon gang with falcon can effcientlly beat a RR BS gang in same size. after the nerf falcon have get in to pulse, drone range, and have to warp out often, the same HAC gang will hardly break RR's tank Its called a rook.
mal1coy	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Nichola Kreed Originally by: DeadDuck In CAOD there is a battle report in which a RR BS faced a Sniper BS fleet... guess what happened... when you have a massive blob, which your alliance and pets always does, sniper rules, but 0.0 is not the only kind of PVP. now in gang that less than 10 men, RR is almost unbeatable. before falcon nerf, a small HAC hac & recon gang with falcon can effcientlly beat a RR BS gang in same size. after the nerf falcon have get in to pulse, drone range, and have to warp out often, the same HAC gang will hardly break RR's tank RRBS uses cap boosters to maintain the spider tank and 99% of the time its with 800 cap boosters wich will be burned off fast, just drag the fight, the bs gang should not be able to do any kind of dmg on you(kill thier drones and stay at range) ofc you need to do more than "click optimal range, aktivate all modules and pray" is that the problem that you want to be able to win without need to think about what you are doing ?
Bishop Conrad Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:35:00 - [38] Ok lets think for a minute here. Your complaining because they are working as a team. And they are killing you. Or they are killing your Team. lets do this. DON'T try to take them one yourself. GET BETTER TEAMMATES. START RR'ING FOR YOURSELF WITH YOUR TEAM.
Tista	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Bishop Conrad Ok lets think for a minute here. Your complaining because they are working as a team. And they are killing you. Or they are killing your Team. lets do this. DON'T try to take them one yourself. GET BETTER TEAMMATES. START RR'ING FOR YOURSELF WITH YOUR TEAM. or use bombs, or use carrier bumping, or use smart bombs, or use e-war, or use bumping, or use tactics? -------------------- "this is the templar fighter used by carriers" Originaly quoted by Shania Eria.
Polkageist Minmatar Grave Diggers DEFI4NT	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:47:00 - [40] problem is that u dont get agression from repping. So they damage ships deagress when they killed what they can, the guardians or whatever reps until the dmg ships can jump thru gate and then they jump thru with them..
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Tista Originally by: Bishop Conrad Ok lets think for a minute here. Your complaining because they are working as a team. And they are killing you. Or they are killing your Team. lets do this. DON'T try to take them one yourself. GET BETTER TEAMMATES. START RR'ING FOR YOURSELF WITH YOUR TEAM. or use bombs, or use carrier bumping, or use smart bombs, or use e-war, or use bumping, or use tactics? Quoting failure. Bombs? Seriously? Do you have any idea how many bombs it'd take to take out an RR fleet? E-war? What e-war exactly are you going to use now that your falcons need to operate within range of my guns? Carrier bumping? Yes, yes yes yes, please take your thanatos into the middle of my remote rep fleet. I'm sorry but, the answer to RR is to bring your own RR + e-war. Now that they killed e-war, the answer is to bring more ships than they have.
Zubakis Bambooule	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:49:00 - [42] I'm kinda divided on this topic. On one side it's a nice tactic, on the other side i would love to see a better role distinction. Battleships for damage, logistics and carriers for rr'ing. Not just a simple 10 man rr bs gang, which do all-in-one. -- Zuba
mal1coy	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:53:00 - [43] Originally by: Dasalt Istgut Originally by: Tista Originally by: Bishop Conrad Ok lets think for a minute here. Your complaining because they are working as a team. And they are killing you. Or they are killing your Team. lets do this. DON'T try to take them one yourself. GET BETTER TEAMMATES. START RR'ING FOR YOURSELF WITH YOUR TEAM. or use bombs, or use carrier bumping, or use smart bombs, or use e-war, or use bumping, or use tactics? Quoting failure. Bombs? Seriously? Do you have any idea how many bombs it'd take to take out an RR fleet? E-war? What e-war exactly are you going to use now that your falcons need to operate within range of my guns? Carrier bumping? Yes, yes yes yes, please take your thanatos into the middle of my remote rep fleet. I'm sorry but, the answer to RR is to bring your own RR + e-war. Now that they killed e-war, the answer is to bring more ships than they have. damn you gotta be narrowminded if thats the only tac you can find that can kill a RR gang.
BuyMyShizz Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Dasalt Istgut I'm sorry but, the answer to RR is to bring your own RR + e-war. Now that they killed e-war, the answer is to bring more ships than they have. Just bring nano HACs and Rec....owait.
Dasalt Istgut	Posted - 2009.04.06 11:55:00 - [45] Originally by: mal1coy damn you gotta be narrowminded if thats the only tac you can find that can kill a RR gang. Killmail or stfu.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.04.06 12:11:00 - [46] Edited by: NightmareX on 06/04/2009 12:14:36 Originally by: Dasalt Istgut Originally by: mal1coy damn you gotta be narrowminded if thats the only tac you can find that can kill a RR gang. Killmail or stfu. So your telling me that there isn't something called ECM Bombs?. The ECM Bombs makes them to lose lock though so they can't RR each others all the time. It's not all the time the ECM Bombs works though. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Vrabac Zawa's Fan Club	Posted - 2009.04.06 12:13:00 - [47] In a remotely equal odds situation I still need to see a RR gang that can compensate for its opposition's dps with it's RRing. Sure, when enemy gang gets depleted you'll stop taking losses but in initial stages when both sides have a lot of firepower still alive primaries will drop like flies on both sides. It has to do with number of guns, dmg mods and drones usually greatly outnumbering the number of RRs used. No matter the logistics and damnations, the first few unfortunate souls who get picked for targets will die. But if this is some sort of "we came in a bunch of solo dual repping megas and someone kicked our arses" sort of argument than all I can say is lol. As for high sec, who honestly cares.
Ripcha Headov Art of War	Posted - 2009.04.06 13:12:00 - [48] i have 1 thing to say about RR bs's. and i REALLY hope ccp listens to this. DON'T YOU DARE CHANGE RR BS's!! They are the 1 saving grace for smaller corps trying to fight agasint the odds in the climate of blob wars online. If u take away RR bs's u effective castrate any well ordanise small to mid sized corp trying to make their way against larger opponents who greatly outnumber them but lack orgainsation. RR bs's are not the instant 'win button' that some people make them out to be. They have serious weaknesses if u take the time and effort to think about countering them instead of just doing the same old tactic of bringing more numbers. If you kill RR bs;s u will be driving a stake through the heart of eve and go a good way to killing this game. Let the fools whine about how RR bs's are 'overpowered' instead of actually using their brain and thinking about counters for it. In order for a RR bs gang to work properly it needs team work. And in order to counter it u need teamwork. Take that away and u will be ruining this game.
Nichola Kreed	Posted - 2009.04.06 13:17:00 - [49] Originally by: Ripcha Headov i have 1 thing to say about RR bs's. and i REALLY hope ccp listens to this. DON'T YOU DARE CHANGE RR BS's!! They are the 1 saving grace for smaller corps trying to fight agasint the odds in the climate of blob wars online. If u take away RR bs's u effective castrate any well ordanise small to mid sized corp trying to make their way against larger opponents who greatly outnumber them but lack orgainsation. RR bs's are not the instant 'win button' that some people make them out to be. They have serious weaknesses if u take the time and effort to think about countering them instead of just doing the same old tactic of bringing more numbers. If you kill RR bs;s u will be driving a stake through the heart of eve and go a good way to killing this game. Let the fools whine about how RR bs's are 'overpowered' instead of actually using their brain and thinking about counters for it. In order for a RR bs gang to work properly it needs team work. And in order to counter it u need teamwork. Take that away and u will be ruining this game. by took away nano and falcons CCP has made it clear that they like blob. blob rules all hail to the new blob overlord!
fac3hunter	Posted - 2009.04.06 13:28:00 - [50] Originally by: Nichola Kreed Originally by: Ripcha Headov i have 1 thing to say about RR bs's. and i REALLY hope ccp listens to this. DON'T YOU DARE CHANGE RR BS's!! They are the 1 saving grace for smaller corps trying to fight agasint the odds in the climate of blob wars online. If u take away RR bs's u effective castrate any well ordanise small to mid sized corp trying to make their way against larger opponents who greatly outnumber them but lack orgainsation. RR bs's are not the instant 'win button' that some people make them out to be. They have serious weaknesses if u take the time and effort to think about countering them instead of just doing the same old tactic of bringing more numbers. If you kill RR bs;s u will be driving a stake through the heart of eve and go a good way to killing this game. Let the fools whine about how RR bs's are 'overpowered' instead of actually using their brain and thinking about counters for it. In order for a RR bs gang to work properly it needs team work. And in order to counter it u need teamwork. Take that away and u will be ruining this game. by took away nano and falcons CCP has made it clear that they like blob. blob rules all hail to the new blob overlord! omg Nichola Kreed you take stupidity to a whole new lvl.
Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.04.06 15:23:00 - [51] The Counter to RR BS's. Its just a question of quantity. ****** SIG :O ******
Holy Lowlander Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.04.06 15:27:00 - [52] it is easy to counter rr bs, you just have to think outside of the box. RR only works if you can repair the ship that needs it , so what do you do ? , simple you don't blindly attack one target , but you attack 10 different targets, the hostile's broadcast system will be such a mess RRing gets impossible. they stole my sig :'(
Forando Interstellar Cowards	Posted - 2009.04.06 16:52:00 - [53] Don't be daft, there's ways to counter it. Just because your gang can not kill another gang, does not necessarily mean they are overpowered: Perhaps you're not trying hard enough. One requirement for flying a strong spider setup, is group synergy. Members of the gang need to be on the ball and make some good and fast calls. And that is also exactly what is required to break a spider tank. Remote reps will always run it's full circle, use that to your advantage and switch targets and toy with your opponents. Spread fire on 2 or more targets to stress their cap - Energy Neuts add to that adventure! - and cause a bit of chaos while they sort our which members they want to rep. Electronic Warfare packs a few good toys for this also. If you can spare a mid slot, you could try racial jammers (do your research so you have a fair idea what you're going up against). If you fly high-damage cruiser-sized gang, which has faster lock then the spider BSs, you could try utilizing Sensor Damps to get the initiative. Add ECM-drones to the mix for a sweet ****tail. In the end, it really comes down to forming a strong and versatile gang, and communicating in your gang. If you can't do that and arachnophobia is unavoidable, try and sneak by the spider tanking groups. Simply, use brains - Or has people gotten way too used to running, tears dripping, to the forums? Enjoy, and fly safe..
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order Tenth Legion	Posted - 2009.04.06 17:33:00 - [54] Neuts and ECM? Really? This is hard to figure out? Stop, hammer time.
maralt Minmatar The seers of truth	Posted - 2009.04.06 17:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Bishop Conrad Ok lets think for a minute here. Your complaining because they are working as a team. And they are killing you. Or they are killing your Team. lets do this. DON'T try to take them one yourself. GET BETTER TEAMMATES. START RR'ING FOR YOURSELF WITH YOUR TEAM. Is not "bring more (insert ship ect)" a valid reason for a nerf accorfing to most ppl on here?. I RR is the only thing you can use to beat RR then ze whine threads and then nerf cometh...
Rogue Lilly Caldari Lords Of Filth	Posted - 2009.04.06 19:10:00 - [56] Several people here are defending RR gangs because it's "teamwork." I'm sorry but putting a RR on every single ship in a gang and just having them target each other classifies as team work about as much as blobs calling a primary counts as teamwork. No one ever sees a blob all shoot at the same guy and go "wow, that was amazing teamwork." because it takes about as much thought as flying a falcon. (sneaky falcon jab) The real problem with the RR gang in my opinion is that it isn't "using support" as one person put it. Teamwork and support would require you to use logistics ships to heal other ships while being defending by those they are healing. When every battleship just fits a RR in it's free high slot it isn't a "support ship" at all. It's a cheesy trick to counter the cheese that is 57 ships all firing at the same target. My humble suggestion. The more signal locks on a target the harder it becomes to archive a lock on this target. Thus battles play out more like they realistically would. It would make fleet battles more like a bunch of small gang battles happening together. And really isn't small gang warfare what everyone wants? It would also keep RR gangs around, they just wouldn't be insanely powerful, also calling a primary wouldn't mean instantly popping ship after ship. battles would be slower paced (which is another stated goal of the devs) So really this tiny modification in my opinion would solve so many issues that the player base complains about and the devs want to fix. ......But what do I know, I haven't been playing eve as long as you so my deductive reasoning skill isn't at V yet.
Endless Subversion The Accursed	Posted - 2009.04.06 19:14:00 - [57] Remote repping does not kill pvp vs pirates who are also in the militia. I will receive the isk reward for solving your problem.
Psiri	Posted - 2009.04.06 20:02:00 - [58] Easy, increase the fitting reqs of remote repair modules by 1000% and give logistics and the T1 logistics bonused cruisers a fitting reduction bonus on these modules. FIXED. Then what? Titans? Suicide ganking AGAIN or Laz0rs?
Azver Deroven Amarr Legion Of The ShiningStar Brotherhood of Legion's	Posted - 2009.04.06 20:11:00 - [59] Defending RR cause of teamwork is actually more than locking on to everything, cause you need the whole team be on ball who's getting primaried and rep that target, and if gang members are higher in number than max lock, not to mention you should at same time be able to lock the enemy... yeah, it doesnt take effort getting 10-20 guys on 10 second response time (max 10) before target dies of being primaried. Also to guy wondering how many bombs it take to kill an RR fleet, I dont know. How many ECM breaks it takes to get one BS down if its primaried and suddenly is cut off the tank? Or if you have few SB's with ECM's, or alternatively neutbombs... but I keep forgetting, its adapting. Flocks of idiots cant understand the concept of adapting. Aight here's a concept that works: Adapt or die. Is' called darwinism, I sugest you hop on the Amarr whinewagon now. It actually needs downgrading (Im amarr BS 5 pilot m'self so go figure...) ---------------------------------------------------- My views do not represent those of my alliance, corporation or myself. Trully, sometimes I manage to confuse even myself.
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2009.04.06 20:29:00 - [60] compared to ECM, RR has counters that actually work.... ECM (yes, even after range nerf... what short range ship hits at 100km, not even pulses....) Neuts ECM drones Spreading fire Rapid target switching Cap boosters for RR runs out FAST and even more, but i'll let you figure those out yourself.... -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr! Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail. QFT!
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.04.06 21:30:00 - [61] I dont particularly enjoy RR gangs but they are great game design. Falcons were horrible game design. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Bishop Conrad Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.07 00:19:00 - [62] RRBS gang meets Neuting BS gang who you think is going to win. Problem is that you people complaining about it havn't thought this through. In Wormholes they RR each other to live and survive. take that away and good bye T3 ship you wanted for christmas. You need to organize better get the numbers on your side again. Or use the ECM yes your range just got hammered. But that doesn't make it any less effective. Think of stratagizing. Instead of get your ships and best dps you have make 2 or 3 guys tote ECM and you repper them and kill the opposing fleet. Use the bombers yes you would need a few of them to do the job. Focus the fire on one then switch it up if you must. If all your really going to do is run to the forums everytime someone or a group of people got the best of you and/or your shipmates maybe this game isn't for you. Try dealing with the fact they used the better tactics and one the day. that doesn't mean that will be the last day you have to fight them. you just need to get it together and get them back think about it. I mean come on. Soon you guys are going to complain that guns do to much dps and the same for missles and drones and then they will complain the reppers are OP then we might as well all go mining and build things then you will complain that the other people are mining more than you or building more or selling more. Lets get REAL. you went to low sec got killed get over it buy a new ship or build one or i will build one for you to buy. either way. JUST GET OVER IT.
Azver Deroven Amarr Legion Of The ShiningStar Brotherhood of Legion's	Posted - 2009.04.07 00:27:00 - [63] That wall of text just got wrecking hit on me, mate... use enter, please? But I gotta agree, using several counters together and simply, if its not possible to win, run. Come back after you've practiced countering it. The fun fact with this is that, soon as, someone brings out the 'only counter is big blob or bringing the same' argument, will be that its been that way previously. Either bring counter (ECM, bomber, cap-warfare or bump 'em) or bring a huge blob. Or fit same and see wich one has more cap charges. Thing with that is, that now that ECM isnt the easy way countering it from max target range, there might be risk involved for the countering pilot that doesnt know how to keep tranversal to reduce the damage, I might be wrong but if you even fit AB and achieve max tranversal of, say 500ms, those guns with tracking computers running max range scripts will strugle hitting you, and if you do get hit, or see drones aproaching, get out. 'Aight, we cool? Use bombs, fit some tank/ speed on the ECM ship and practice target-swapping. Be all that you can be! ---------------------------------------------------- My views do not represent those of my alliance, corporation or myself. Trully, sometimes I manage to confuse even myself.
Finfamfoom	Posted - 2009.04.07 00:39:00 - [64] Originally by: Azver Deroven Come back after you've practiced countering it. Thats the problem, the majority of the whiners dont want to practice anything to counter their current gripe. RR's are fine, and the Stealth bomber/Bomb changes open alot of opportunity to throw a wrench in that if its done right. Exciting times
Mire Stoude Cash Money Brothers	Posted - 2009.04.07 00:50:00 - [65] Edited by: Mire Stoude on 07/04/2009 00:51:32 Remote Repping should not be nerfed as it takes a lot of coordination and team work to make work properly. And, unlike nano and ECM, there are more counters to remote repping than just having your own remote repping. The only complaint about RR I have is that you have to be so close to other BS's to remote rep them.
Bishop Conrad Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.07 01:00:00 - [66] Yes the ECM ships would be running a risk. But as noted if jammed they can't shoot you, they can't rep, and the big uglies are having there way with them. ECM MISSED JAM: MWD off grid and come back to fight yup little of a hassle there but now your Harrassing the Enemy since Big Ugly is still pounding on him. This is going to take a great deal of skill and communication from the FC's to get the RR BS gang removed. If your solo sorry. If your in a gang get the skills needed ask what you need from your corp or how you could help them out. work together and not against each other.

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