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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:15:00 -
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if you cant set up a retribution to melt your enemy before he even decides to warp your the problem not the ship.
all ships cannot be all duty.
if you dont want to fly a retribution that is your choice, but coming on forums and trying to get it changed into something you would fly is weak.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:15:00 -
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if you cant set up a retribution to melt your enemy before he even decides to warp your the problem not the ship.
all ships cannot be all duty.
if you dont want to fly a retribution that is your choice, but coming on forums and trying to get it changed into something you would fly is weak.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:34:09
Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:32:53
did you ever think if the retirbution had 2 med slots it might be the most powerful assault out there? think about how a second med slot could unbalance the whole assault class.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:34:09
Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:32:53
did you ever think if the retirbution had 2 med slots it might be the most powerful assault out there? think about how a second med slot could unbalance the whole assault class.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:40:00 -
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i think running a webber or scrambler on ANY assault ship will be detrimental to the loadout. you will have to make sacrifices to fit them, and it will take away from the "assault" part of the assault ship.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:40:00 -
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i think running a webber or scrambler on ANY assault ship will be detrimental to the loadout. you will have to make sacrifices to fit them, and it will take away from the "assault" part of the assault ship.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:24:59
 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It can't even assault, you stooge.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
if a retirbution cant kill an interceptor from 40km the pilot is the problem. compare an enyo to a retribution and you see pretty much equal ships, unless your brain is walnut sized.
GOOD assault pilots will not be messing them up with webbers and scramblers.
your wrong, and thats the bottom line. now lets gets some insults flowing more freely so this stupid thread will be locked
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:24:59
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It can't even assault, you stooge.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
if a retirbution cant kill an interceptor from 40km the pilot is the problem. compare an enyo to a retribution and you see pretty much equal ships, unless your brain is walnut sized.
GOOD assault pilots will not be messing them up with webbers and scramblers.
your wrong, and thats the bottom line. now lets gets some insults flowing more freely so this stupid thread will be locked
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:57:32
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It can't even assault, you stooge.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
listen up you glue sniffing monkey, if a retribution cant kill an interceptor from 40km the pilot is the problem. compare an enyo to a retribution and you see pretty much equal ships, unless your brain is walnut sized.
GOOD assault pilots will not be messing up their ships with webbers and scramblers. if you really need a scrambler to score a kill in one you better just shut up and listen.
your wrong, and thats the bottom line. now lets gets some insults flowing more freely so this stupid thread will be locked
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 22:57:32
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
It can't even assault, you stooge.
Assault means to attack, how pray tell do you attack when you have to choose between the MWD needed to give you momentum and pursuit, and the tackling tools absolutely necessary to scoring any sort of kills as opposed to putting dings in someone's shields with your hilariously weak firepower and watching them warp away laughing at your stupid-ass ship.
listen up you glue sniffing monkey, if a retribution cant kill an interceptor from 40km the pilot is the problem. compare an enyo to a retribution and you see pretty much equal ships, unless your brain is walnut sized.
GOOD assault pilots will not be messing up their ships with webbers and scramblers. if you really need a scrambler to score a kill in one you better just shut up and listen.
your wrong, and thats the bottom line. now lets gets some insults flowing more freely so this stupid thread will be locked
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:06:16
meridious you are the biggest fool in eve, **** off with your pker knowledge.
you go girl with your pulse lasers.
ive forgotten more about pvp than you will ever learn.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:06:16
meridious you are the biggest fool in eve, **** off with your pker knowledge.
you go girl with your pulse lasers.
ive forgotten more about pvp than you will ever learn.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 23:07:07
PKer knowledge?
So hang on, if he knows how to kill people and you don't, how come you're acting as if you're somebody? Go defeat some veldspar.
edit: To any moderators listening, please clean the thread up, don't lock it. I don't want a valid discussion of a very real problem derailed by people who would never fly the ship in the first place arguing for argument's sake. I want this to get looked at by a dev.
you and meridious are the people who cant get kills, so why insult me? i have killed enough people to know you dont need a webber or scrambler to do it. now lets have another insult, im here to clue you tards in.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 30/08/2004 23:07:07
PKer knowledge?
So hang on, if he knows how to kill people and you don't, how come you're acting as if you're somebody? Go defeat some veldspar.
edit: To any moderators listening, please clean the thread up, don't lock it. I don't want a valid discussion of a very real problem derailed by people who would never fly the ship in the first place arguing for argument's sake. I want this to get looked at by a dev.
you and meridious are the people who cant get kills, so why insult me? i have killed enough people to know you dont need a webber or scrambler to do it. now lets have another insult, im here to clue you tards in.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:17:23
im meaner than a troll, and ive pvped enough to know what im talking about. too bad you cant see it.
you dont need a webber or scrambler to score a kill.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 30/08/2004 23:17:23
im meaner than a troll, and ive pvped enough to know what im talking about. too bad you cant see it.
you dont need a webber or scrambler to score a kill.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:22:00 -
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oh and you wanting to have this "problem" looked at by a Dev, it deserves you to be made fun of even more, as the Devs MADE the ships and im sure they have many parameters that they have to stick to for each race ship. retribution is not going to get a second med slot and a fifth turret because a couple poor pvpers who cant get kills want it too.
you do not need a webber or scrambler to score a kill.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:22:00 -
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oh and you wanting to have this "problem" looked at by a Dev, it deserves you to be made fun of even more, as the Devs MADE the ships and im sure they have many parameters that they have to stick to for each race ship. retribution is not going to get a second med slot and a fifth turret because a couple poor pvpers who cant get kills want it too.
you do not need a webber or scrambler to score a kill.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:36:00 -
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like i said meridious ive forgotten more about blowing up people than youll learn in your short time here.
if your not using t2 turrets and have low skills assaults will suck like all other ships suck with low skills.
t2 turrets on a retribution with radios and skills high will be around 50km outer ranges, with no tracking mods, with complete devestation using microwaves.
your trying to use the ship for something its not good at, if your running a webber or scrambler on it. with a med slot puter and low slot puter and a couple damage mods, no one would be able to get close to this ship. this is an obvious long range ship.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.30 23:36:00 -
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like i said meridious ive forgotten more about blowing up people than youll learn in your short time here.
if your not using t2 turrets and have low skills assaults will suck like all other ships suck with low skills.
t2 turrets on a retribution with radios and skills high will be around 50km outer ranges, with no tracking mods, with complete devestation using microwaves.
your trying to use the ship for something its not good at, if your running a webber or scrambler on it. with a med slot puter and low slot puter and a couple damage mods, no one would be able to get close to this ship. this is an obvious long range ship.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nybbas
gaiam I just read your last two posts, and I came to a conclusion... you are ****ing me off. PRAY DO TELL how you are possibly going to get a kill if they arnt scrambled??? you been luring n00bs into 0.4 belts again? OH ALSO just in case you didnt know, the ships you blow up in the asteroid belts with names like "serpentis smuggler" ARNT players, they are NPCs they dont run when you shoot at them, so you dont need a scrambler for that, when you fight REAL people though you do, its ok I forgive you this time for your slight oversight.
maybe you and your boyfriend istavaan would like to come visit me and find out.
people that want to fight dont warp away from them, people that dont want to fight you need a warp scrambler for. anyone who has been in real, balanced pvp fights (and not some gatecampers party) knows if your there to fight you arent going to warp away. and by the time you think you should its usually too late. get it?
see, my kills come from fair fights, the ONLY targets i need a warp scrambler for are gatecampers.
so basically you need a warp scrambler to gank someone. also sounds to me like guiding hand warps out of a fight the moment they are locked.
keep it up, im having fun here.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nybbas
gaiam I just read your last two posts, and I came to a conclusion... you are ****ing me off. PRAY DO TELL how you are possibly going to get a kill if they arnt scrambled??? you been luring n00bs into 0.4 belts again? OH ALSO just in case you didnt know, the ships you blow up in the asteroid belts with names like "serpentis smuggler" ARNT players, they are NPCs they dont run when you shoot at them, so you dont need a scrambler for that, when you fight REAL people though you do, its ok I forgive you this time for your slight oversight.
maybe you and your boyfriend istavaan would like to come visit me and find out.
people that want to fight dont warp away from them, people that dont want to fight you need a warp scrambler for. anyone who has been in real, balanced pvp fights (and not some gatecampers party) knows if your there to fight you arent going to warp away. and by the time you think you should its usually too late. get it?
see, my kills come from fair fights, the ONLY targets i need a warp scrambler for are gatecampers.
so basically you need a warp scrambler to gank someone. also sounds to me like guiding hand warps out of a fight the moment they are locked.
keep it up, im having fun here.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 31/08/2004 01:02:19
Fine Gaiam. You want to say Guiding Hand warps out, you want to make fun of our reputation.
Let's review who, so far in these discussions, has agreed that Retrib has to be changed; and who thinks it should be left alone.
PEOPLE WHO AGREE RETRIBUTION NEEDS CHANGE:
- Members of m0o.
- Members of Evolution.
- Skilled and respected PVPers all around.
PEOPLE WHO THINK IT SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE:
- Gaiam the Gallente who no-one's ever heard of,
- Shadowsword the Gallente who no-one's ever heard of,
- lol.
By the way, congratulations on quite plainly stating that the Retribution can only do its job if the other party sits there and lets you kill him. I couldn't have summed it up better myself.
plainly stating, sheesus. im trying to say assaults are for hurting whats trying to hurt you, if the assault has succeeded in forcing its target to warp out of battle, then what more do you want? you are a ganker in eve so you want to kill ships that are trying to get away, so use an interceptor. plain and simple.
who the hell are you btw? and who is m0o? or evolution? they are as unknown to me as i am to them, so their opinions do not matter more than any other.
retribution has obvious advantages that a whelp like yourself cannot see because of your lack of experience. go back to gatecamping and double warp scrambling industrials.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 31/08/2004 01:02:19
Fine Gaiam. You want to say Guiding Hand warps out, you want to make fun of our reputation.
Let's review who, so far in these discussions, has agreed that Retrib has to be changed; and who thinks it should be left alone.
PEOPLE WHO AGREE RETRIBUTION NEEDS CHANGE:
- Members of m0o.
- Members of Evolution.
- Skilled and respected PVPers all around.
PEOPLE WHO THINK IT SHOULD BE LEFT ALONE:
- Gaiam the Gallente who no-one's ever heard of,
- Shadowsword the Gallente who no-one's ever heard of,
- lol.
By the way, congratulations on quite plainly stating that the Retribution can only do its job if the other party sits there and lets you kill him. I couldn't have summed it up better myself.
plainly stating, sheesus. im trying to say assaults are for hurting whats trying to hurt you, if the assault has succeeded in forcing its target to warp out of battle, then what more do you want? you are a ganker in eve so you want to kill ships that are trying to get away, so use an interceptor. plain and simple.
who the hell are you btw? and who is m0o? or evolution? they are as unknown to me as i am to them, so their opinions do not matter more than any other.
retribution has obvious advantages that a whelp like yourself cannot see because of your lack of experience. go back to gatecamping and double warp scrambling industrials.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 31/08/2004 02:20:12
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Calyn
I can agree you don't need a web or scrambler to kill, it helps
I'm sorry dude but this is quite wrong. Unless you can target/kill someone in 2-3sec (frig) or around 7-8sec for a cruiser they can just warp off. I am speaking solo of course...
The only real way to kill like that is with a battleship loaded with dmg mods and sensor boosters (or a bb remotely doing boosting ect).
1 midslot will make this ship useless to pvp just as the punisher is.
this is normal gatecamper/ganker logic, where you have 2 seconds to lock and scramble a frig before it warps. 7-8 seconds to do it to a cruiser. anyone whos even flown a cruiser knows you need 7-8 seconds to lock a frig, so if he is going to fight he isnt going to run in 7-8 seconds. these people are gankers and want the ultimate ganking tools.
this is why istvaan cant understand what i mean by "until its too late" because he ganks in 7-8 seconds. or less if its a frig or shuttle.
once the gankers got you double warp scrambled they can kill your with their pitiful damage output.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 31/08/2004 02:20:12
Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Calyn
I can agree you don't need a web or scrambler to kill, it helps
I'm sorry dude but this is quite wrong. Unless you can target/kill someone in 2-3sec (frig) or around 7-8sec for a cruiser they can just warp off. I am speaking solo of course...
The only real way to kill like that is with a battleship loaded with dmg mods and sensor boosters (or a bb remotely doing boosting ect).
1 midslot will make this ship useless to pvp just as the punisher is.
this is normal gatecamper/ganker logic, where you have 2 seconds to lock and scramble a frig before it warps. 7-8 seconds to do it to a cruiser. anyone whos even flown a cruiser knows you need 7-8 seconds to lock a frig, so if he is going to fight he isnt going to run in 7-8 seconds. these people are gankers and want the ultimate ganking tools.
this is why istvaan cant understand what i mean by "until its too late" because he ganks in 7-8 seconds. or less if its a frig or shuttle.
once the gankers got you double warp scrambled they can kill your with their pitiful damage output.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 31/08/2004 02:41:54
istvaan you dope an enyo will have a hard time running 4 guns and use mwd if you dont put a cap battery or charger in the second med sot, which the retribution does not need because of its huge cap and laser use bonus. 2 med slot will make retribution too powerful. this has been decided already by the game devs.
btw please tell me what kind of fights you get in, not like i dont know already.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 31/08/2004 02:41:54
istvaan you dope an enyo will have a hard time running 4 guns and use mwd if you dont put a cap battery or charger in the second med sot, which the retribution does not need because of its huge cap and laser use bonus. 2 med slot will make retribution too powerful. this has been decided already by the game devs.
btw please tell me what kind of fights you get in, not like i dont know already.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 02:54:00 -
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classic istvaan
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 02:54:00 -
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classic istvaan
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 31/08/2004 07:09:07
Originally by: ProphetGuru
Armor resists? Come on, with the small amount of hp we are discussing here, the resistances won't make a large difference to an experienced pilot.
this cant be a well thought out statement if you are an experienced pilot, i can understand someone saying something as stunned as "yes it has 725 base armour, so what" but you saying this right after has to be sarcasm.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.08.31 07:07:00 -
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Edited by: Gaiam on 31/08/2004 07:09:07
Originally by: ProphetGuru
Armor resists? Come on, with the small amount of hp we are discussing here, the resistances won't make a large difference to an experienced pilot.
this cant be a well thought out statement if you are an experienced pilot, i can understand someone saying something as stunned as "yes it has 725 base armour, so what" but you saying this right after has to be sarcasm.
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