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Spit
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Posted - 2004.08.25 06:50:00 -
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Just wondering if any of you guys/gals encountered a similar problem to what I had on Monday/Tuesday this week with missing research slots.
In total I HAD 12 research slots all for my corp, used and maintained by 3 members (including me and my 2nd account).
I check the slots EVERY day even though some have weeks and months running times on them. If I want to create BPC's its usually 1 or 2 maximum slots change at any 1 time.
I could not get on EVE Monday due to rl, when I logged on Tuesday evening after rl work I checked the research slots only to find 2 slots running for corp, all the rest where gone and no publically available ones it sight!!!
I received no mails that they had been ejected and baring in mind that 5 of the 10 where mine and my 2nd account, and the other station manager is on holiday... WTF happened to them 
Anyone come across this recently please?
I have petitioned the event and am currently waiting for a reply.
2 slots left!!! This sucks big time 
Spit - CEO Salmissra
Website for details - Salmissra
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Spit
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Posted - 2004.08.25 06:50:00 -
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Just wondering if any of you guys/gals encountered a similar problem to what I had on Monday/Tuesday this week with missing research slots.
In total I HAD 12 research slots all for my corp, used and maintained by 3 members (including me and my 2nd account).
I check the slots EVERY day even though some have weeks and months running times on them. If I want to create BPC's its usually 1 or 2 maximum slots change at any 1 time.
I could not get on EVE Monday due to rl, when I logged on Tuesday evening after rl work I checked the research slots only to find 2 slots running for corp, all the rest where gone and no publically available ones it sight!!!
I received no mails that they had been ejected and baring in mind that 5 of the 10 where mine and my 2nd account, and the other station manager is on holiday... WTF happened to them
Anyone come across this recently please?
I have petitioned the event and am currently waiting for a reply.
2 slots left!!! This sucks big time
Spit - CEO Salmissra
Website for details - Salmissra
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KarateKid
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Posted - 2004.08.25 08:34:00 -
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Th exact same thing has happened to me and a corp m8. Happened to him last week, he has petitioned. Happened to me about a month ago.
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KarateKid
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Posted - 2004.08.25 08:34:00 -
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Th exact same thing has happened to me and a corp m8. Happened to him last week, he has petitioned. Happened to me about a month ago.
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Sir Wakka
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Posted - 2004.08.25 09:06:00 -
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Damn, that sucks big time :(
Sadly you probably wont get any joy from the CCP reply as they arent gonna take the slots off someone else who managed to rent them and give em back to you. No joy comes from petitioning CCP about lost lab slots anytime. AFAIK
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Sir Wakka
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Posted - 2004.08.25 09:06:00 -
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Damn, that sucks big time :(
Sadly you probably wont get any joy from the CCP reply as they arent gonna take the slots off someone else who managed to rent them and give em back to you. No joy comes from petitioning CCP about lost lab slots anytime. AFAIK
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Weirana Gatorna
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Posted - 2004.08.25 10:23:00 -
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I only looked at the topic and just want to add that;
1. I've had this happen to me several times
2. Last time i petitioned it, a GM called me a liar and some moderators on these boards decided to edit my posts and lock the threads in such a way that I came out looking bad
3. CCP are ignoring this problem
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Weirana Gatorna
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Posted - 2004.08.25 10:23:00 -
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I only looked at the topic and just want to add that;
1. I've had this happen to me several times
2. Last time i petitioned it, a GM called me a liar and some moderators on these boards decided to edit my posts and lock the threads in such a way that I came out looking bad
3. CCP are ignoring this problem
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Dave Day
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:48:00 -
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I lost a slot too.
I don't honestly know why CCP bothered to try and redistribute them via the 5% increase in rent. They are as buggy as hell and sooner or later will just unrent themselves anyway
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Dave Day
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:48:00 -
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I lost a slot too.
I don't honestly know why CCP bothered to try and redistribute them via the 5% increase in rent. They are as buggy as hell and sooner or later will just unrent themselves anyway
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Kentaki
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:18:00 -
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i have lost 2 lab slots now, at different times the last one was last week. its getting to be pain in the arse, between getting scammed buying lab slots and losing them quite frequently this game is starting to really suck.
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Kentaki
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:18:00 -
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i have lost 2 lab slots now, at different times the last one was last week. its getting to be pain in the arse, between getting scammed buying lab slots and losing them quite frequently this game is starting to really suck.
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Rea Der
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Posted - 2004.08.27 07:09:00 -
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Same hapand to me 2times in the same day this week but i was lucky and was fast enuff to rent them back.
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Rea Der
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Posted - 2004.08.27 07:09:00 -
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Same hapand to me 2times in the same day this week but i was lucky and was fast enuff to rent them back.
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Xen Master
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Posted - 2004.08.28 08:07:00 -
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Do u lose the BP that is researching/copying at the time?
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Xen Master
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Posted - 2004.08.28 08:07:00 -
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Do u lose the BP that is researching/copying at the time?
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Lt Red
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Posted - 2004.08.29 15:55:00 -
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Our lil' corp has lost a total of four research slot to this bug in the last week. Its very very annoying after moving your research rig about only to find your slots have disapeared 12 hours in. Why wont CCP acknowledge this is a problem, particularly as they are so hard to find and so damned expensive.
:(
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Lt Red
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Posted - 2004.08.29 15:55:00 -
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Our lil' corp has lost a total of four research slot to this bug in the last week. Its very very annoying after moving your research rig about only to find your slots have disapeared 12 hours in. Why wont CCP acknowledge this is a problem, particularly as they are so hard to find and so damned expensive.
:(
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Oddie KnifeEdge
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Posted - 2004.08.30 05:54:00 -
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i had the same problem on saturday i think it was. but luckily they were still publicly available and i rerented them asap. the originals were in my hangar ready for use, but i had no copies there tho..
Oddie KnifeEdge
What you call difficult, I call easy...
What you call impossible, I call a challenge... |
Oddie KnifeEdge
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Posted - 2004.08.30 05:54:00 -
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i had the same problem on saturday i think it was. but luckily they were still publicly available and i rerented them asap. the originals were in my hangar ready for use, but i had no copies there tho..
Oddie KnifeEdge
What you call difficult, I call easy...
What you call impossible, I call a challenge... |
Spit
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Posted - 2004.09.02 07:08:00 -
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Update on discussions with GM regarding my 10 lost slots...
Basically their excuse was that I had not paid the rents on 10 slots, but when I checked my corp accounts they had in fact been paid for. Besides, it is too coincidental to have purchased 10 slots within 1 day of each other and to have them ALL expire together.
Comment also made to me was "even if it were found to be a game bug, we would be in a very difficult possition to retrieve the slots from a player who has now acquired them".
This does not inspire me with confidence at all.
It's probably going to take me months to get back 10 slots....... what a load of s***e
Spit - CEO Salmissra
Website for details - Salmissra
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Spit
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Posted - 2004.09.02 07:08:00 -
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Update on discussions with GM regarding my 10 lost slots...
Basically their excuse was that I had not paid the rents on 10 slots, but when I checked my corp accounts they had in fact been paid for. Besides, it is too coincidental to have purchased 10 slots within 1 day of each other and to have them ALL expire together.
Comment also made to me was "even if it were found to be a game bug, we would be in a very difficult possition to retrieve the slots from a player who has now acquired them".
This does not inspire me with confidence at all.
It's probably going to take me months to get back 10 slots....... what a load of s***e
Spit - CEO Salmissra
Website for details - Salmissra
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.02 07:30:00 -
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just curious spit... umm, how would you suggest fairly fixing that problem?
aside from fixing the bug,...lol, I mean solving the already occured problem(s)
it sure as heck wouldn't be fair to the people who got the lab slots after they un-rented to have them taken away...
really it comes down to the whole "posession is 9/10ths" sorta "yes, you should still be the one who has them, but you don't now, and we can't legitimately take them away from someone who, in the situation they got it in, obtained it legitimately" situation.
it might take you months to get back those slots.... but what makes you so sure you didn't get them from someone who had a similar problem? would it be right for them to be taken from you?
my point being... if CCP's action on it, is so... uninspiring to you, what would you suggest as a better path?
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.02 07:30:00 -
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just curious spit... umm, how would you suggest fairly fixing that problem?
aside from fixing the bug,...lol, I mean solving the already occured problem(s)
it sure as heck wouldn't be fair to the people who got the lab slots after they un-rented to have them taken away...
really it comes down to the whole "posession is 9/10ths" sorta "yes, you should still be the one who has them, but you don't now, and we can't legitimately take them away from someone who, in the situation they got it in, obtained it legitimately" situation.
it might take you months to get back those slots.... but what makes you so sure you didn't get them from someone who had a similar problem? would it be right for them to be taken from you?
my point being... if CCP's action on it, is so... uninspiring to you, what would you suggest as a better path?
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Warm0nger
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Posted - 2004.09.02 23:02:00 -
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Oddly enough.. my ceo has been able to aquire 4 lab slots in the last few days..
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Eve Spawn Grounds
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Warm0nger
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Posted - 2004.09.02 23:02:00 -
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Oddly enough.. my ceo has been able to aquire 4 lab slots in the last few days..
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Eve Spawn Grounds
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Jaldarr
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Posted - 2004.09.03 08:01:00 -
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12 SLOTS!!! Sorry but i do not feel sorry for you, with the current shortage of slots i don't beleive that you should be able to have that many!
I think there should be a limit on how many slots a corp or an individual can rent at one time..say 5 for a corp and 2 for an individual.
I think its outrageous that you have that many and I suspect many corps have way more than that....
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Jaldarr
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Posted - 2004.09.03 08:01:00 -
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12 SLOTS!!! Sorry but i do not feel sorry for you, with the current shortage of slots i don't beleive that you should be able to have that many!
I think there should be a limit on how many slots a corp or an individual can rent at one time..say 5 for a corp and 2 for an individual.
I think its outrageous that you have that many and I suspect many corps have way more than that....
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.03 09:55:00 -
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to argue the side of those who have slots, Jaldarr, that sort of limitation would not be fair, when you can level your skills such to use up to 6 lab slots, AND when leveling it that high is a prereq for a very useful skill. (research project management)
personally I have 5 slots, all in high sec, the last 2 I found somewhat recently(didn't pay anyone for any of them) without even looking.
while I KNOW its easier to say it when you have lab slots, there REALLY isn't nearly as much of a shortage as some make it seem.
there is NO reason for EVERYONE to have easy avaliability to lab slots. do I think it could be a little closer to the avaliability on factorys? yes. it should not be as big of a barrier to production as it is, but it should be something that is worth keeping if you find it, not common enough that it doesn't matter.
is there a healthy chunk of luck involved in finding them? sure, but they are there to be found. I once had NO lab slots, I know how that feels and all. but they can be found.
remember that some BP's take days and weeks of research lab time to even make them practically useable. and once in that state, live in a slot running copies most of the time.
that can cut your "practical" slots down signifigantly.
I don't feel bad about having the slots I do, and if I find a 6th, I'll get that too, and additional ones to that, I'll grab temporarily, in order to save them for corp mates, as appropriate. I do draw the line at using alts for that purpose, and I think that is a little "hoggy" but its not reaonable for those who SERIOUSLY do research and such, to have those sorts of slots.
people gripe about megacorps hoarding them all and stuff... while some might,... I doubt that is the source of the problem. for starters, you only have USE for so many labs. for quite a while I had only 3 labs, and I was almost getting to the point where I was considering buying some BPO's just so I'd have new things to feed it(BPC market is already seriously oversaturated)
honestly I think 1 person having 12 slots is a bit excessive too. but can't go throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.
another option I think is under-utilized, is the idea of buying pre-researched BPO's, realistically this is a beneficial deal for everyone. helps those who do not have research lab acess to be able to use good BPO's, recoups the cost investedin a BPO by the researcher... and is PROBABLY more profitable for them than BPC's would be.
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.03 09:55:00 -
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to argue the side of those who have slots, Jaldarr, that sort of limitation would not be fair, when you can level your skills such to use up to 6 lab slots, AND when leveling it that high is a prereq for a very useful skill. (research project management)
personally I have 5 slots, all in high sec, the last 2 I found somewhat recently(didn't pay anyone for any of them) without even looking.
while I KNOW its easier to say it when you have lab slots, there REALLY isn't nearly as much of a shortage as some make it seem.
there is NO reason for EVERYONE to have easy avaliability to lab slots. do I think it could be a little closer to the avaliability on factorys? yes. it should not be as big of a barrier to production as it is, but it should be something that is worth keeping if you find it, not common enough that it doesn't matter.
is there a healthy chunk of luck involved in finding them? sure, but they are there to be found. I once had NO lab slots, I know how that feels and all. but they can be found.
remember that some BP's take days and weeks of research lab time to even make them practically useable. and once in that state, live in a slot running copies most of the time.
that can cut your "practical" slots down signifigantly.
I don't feel bad about having the slots I do, and if I find a 6th, I'll get that too, and additional ones to that, I'll grab temporarily, in order to save them for corp mates, as appropriate. I do draw the line at using alts for that purpose, and I think that is a little "hoggy" but its not reaonable for those who SERIOUSLY do research and such, to have those sorts of slots.
people gripe about megacorps hoarding them all and stuff... while some might,... I doubt that is the source of the problem. for starters, you only have USE for so many labs. for quite a while I had only 3 labs, and I was almost getting to the point where I was considering buying some BPO's just so I'd have new things to feed it(BPC market is already seriously oversaturated)
honestly I think 1 person having 12 slots is a bit excessive too. but can't go throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.
another option I think is under-utilized, is the idea of buying pre-researched BPO's, realistically this is a beneficial deal for everyone. helps those who do not have research lab acess to be able to use good BPO's, recoups the cost investedin a BPO by the researcher... and is PROBABLY more profitable for them than BPC's would be.
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Jaldarr
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Posted - 2004.09.03 11:45:00 -
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I just find it infuriating to have invested the time in trainning the skills to enable me to use a lab then have to fly all over the galaxy in a vein attempt to find an available slot, only to read somebody whinging about loosing some of his 12!! 
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Jaldarr
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Posted - 2004.09.03 11:45:00 -
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I just find it infuriating to have invested the time in trainning the skills to enable me to use a lab then have to fly all over the galaxy in a vein attempt to find an available slot, only to read somebody whinging about loosing some of his 12!!
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Spit
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Posted - 2004.09.03 12:26:00 -
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Just to clarify, the 12 slots are shared between 3 corp researchers all focusing on different elements.... AMMO, SHIPS and MODS.
I agree there is 2 sides to a coin and I probably reluctantly agree that it would now be unfair to remove my lost slots from players who have now acquired them, so I see no solution but to accept what's happened.
BTW, I acquired a new slot yesterday making my total 3!! That's 1 each to my researchers, that should keep them busy I recon 
Anyway, thanks for the replies all, I needed to let off some steam & aggression and no better way than to share it with you guys/gals  tc
Spit - CEO Salmissra
Website for details - Salmissra
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Spit
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Posted - 2004.09.03 12:26:00 -
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Just to clarify, the 12 slots are shared between 3 corp researchers all focusing on different elements.... AMMO, SHIPS and MODS.
I agree there is 2 sides to a coin and I probably reluctantly agree that it would now be unfair to remove my lost slots from players who have now acquired them, so I see no solution but to accept what's happened.
BTW, I acquired a new slot yesterday making my total 3!! That's 1 each to my researchers, that should keep them busy I recon
Anyway, thanks for the replies all, I needed to let off some steam & aggression and no better way than to share it with you guys/gals tc
Spit - CEO Salmissra
Website for details - Salmissra
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SSCI Toolmaster
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Posted - 2004.09.03 21:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Kel Shek
to argue the side of those who have slots, Jaldarr, that sort of limitation would not be fair, when you can level your skills such to use up to 6 lab slots, AND when leveling it that high is a prereq for a very useful skill. (research project management)
personally I have 5 slots, all in high sec, the last 2 I found somewhat recently(didn't pay anyone for any of them) without even looking. SNIP!!!!!!!!!
The reason you find them friggen slots is that poor people like me LOOSE them on bugs.
and you just happened to be there.
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SSCI Toolmaster
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Posted - 2004.09.03 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
to argue the side of those who have slots, Jaldarr, that sort of limitation would not be fair, when you can level your skills such to use up to 6 lab slots, AND when leveling it that high is a prereq for a very useful skill. (research project management)
personally I have 5 slots, all in high sec, the last 2 I found somewhat recently(didn't pay anyone for any of them) without even looking. SNIP!!!!!!!!!
The reason you find them friggen slots is that poor people like me LOOSE them on bugs.
and you just happened to be there.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2004.09.03 23:59:00 -
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It is a well known bug, something you never see coming.
Lost 5-6 labs this way over time.
Don't bother petitioning. No one is fixing this problem either. Don't know what to tell ya.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2004.09.03 23:59:00 -
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It is a well known bug, something you never see coming.
Lost 5-6 labs this way over time.
Don't bother petitioning. No one is fixing this problem either. Don't know what to tell ya.
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T'el'Alana Luathin
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Posted - 2004.09.04 13:55:00 -
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Yup, I've lost 4 slots as well. Petitioned and the GM agreed that this was a bug, however as someone else had rented it, they said it wouldn't be fair to take it off him.
What happened to me was that the bill never showed up under bills.
Now I've finally gotten one slot back.. and just slowly researching my BPs one at a time, for one day at a time.. slow work, but hey, at least I hope to keep mine..
T.
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T'el'Alana Luathin
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Posted - 2004.09.04 13:55:00 -
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Yup, I've lost 4 slots as well. Petitioned and the GM agreed that this was a bug, however as someone else had rented it, they said it wouldn't be fair to take it off him.
What happened to me was that the bill never showed up under bills.
Now I've finally gotten one slot back.. and just slowly researching my BPs one at a time, for one day at a time.. slow work, but hey, at least I hope to keep mine..
T.
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always look on the bright side of the cloning facility. |
Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2004.09.04 23:49:00 -
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While its true they can't really take the slots from the new renter what they could do is hold some open slots in another station (mark them rented) and tell you where they are then set up a meet there to turn them over to you. That would be the ideal customer service situation.
If your wallet verifies they are rented claiming you hadn't paid rent isn't credible.
Calladen
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2004.09.04 23:49:00 -
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While its true they can't really take the slots from the new renter what they could do is hold some open slots in another station (mark them rented) and tell you where they are then set up a meet there to turn them over to you. That would be the ideal customer service situation.
If your wallet verifies they are rented claiming you hadn't paid rent isn't credible.
Calladen
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Chicolini
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Posted - 2004.09.06 09:09:00 -
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Hi all,
same happened to me. Lost about 4 slots on one day. Sadly some people in game are using RL to make money. Sadly I have
one character which is doing research. Sadly this is one
of the worst things you can do in EVE ( IMHO ). Loosing nearly
all the Research Labs is great gaming-fun. To participate in the very transparent TL2 lottery is a thrill and maybe my character will get a research slot in the next 6 month so it can use one of its high trained skills to make a copy of a BP.
Maybe I will invite friends and family members to witness this moment.
Looking really forward to this point, because it will be the highlight of the last 4 months playing EVE with that character.
I hope I will not loose my last Research Slot because I cant log in daily.
IMHO a very sad thing for a lot of players and the worst of all is to get the feeling nobody is interested in stoping things like that, even if they are known for a long time.
If you dont want people to play things like researcher or pirates the simply take them out of game and don't nerf the
stuff people trusted to work when they made the desc. to play
a specific character.
Greetings from Nonni
Chicolini
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Chicolini
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Posted - 2004.09.06 09:09:00 -
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Hi all,
same happened to me. Lost about 4 slots on one day. Sadly some people in game are using RL to make money. Sadly I have
one character which is doing research. Sadly this is one
of the worst things you can do in EVE ( IMHO ). Loosing nearly
all the Research Labs is great gaming-fun. To participate in the very transparent TL2 lottery is a thrill and maybe my character will get a research slot in the next 6 month so it can use one of its high trained skills to make a copy of a BP.
Maybe I will invite friends and family members to witness this moment.
Looking really forward to this point, because it will be the highlight of the last 4 months playing EVE with that character.
I hope I will not loose my last Research Slot because I cant log in daily.
IMHO a very sad thing for a lot of players and the worst of all is to get the feeling nobody is interested in stoping things like that, even if they are known for a long time.
If you dont want people to play things like researcher or pirates the simply take them out of game and don't nerf the
stuff people trusted to work when they made the desc. to play
a specific character.
Greetings from Nonni
Chicolini
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Lt Red
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Posted - 2004.09.06 13:14:00 -
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Amazingly, just a day after our 4 research slots mysteriously disapeared, it turns out there are 4 research slots for sale in that system at 5 mill a shot.
Really really miffed now. CCP havent responded to us at all. Bu the looks of things, even if they did they would say they cant take them off another player, despite that player using this opertunity to make 20mill, and NOT USING THE SLOTS HIMSELF!
Our production corp memeber is very miffed. He has not renewed his subscription because CCP refuse to respond to his petition.
Now our little corp is crippled in a sector of space that we intended to set up reserch duties. Useless waste of 2 weeks getting set up. :(
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Lt Red
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Posted - 2004.09.06 13:14:00 -
[46]
Amazingly, just a day after our 4 research slots mysteriously disapeared, it turns out there are 4 research slots for sale in that system at 5 mill a shot.
Really really miffed now. CCP havent responded to us at all. Bu the looks of things, even if they did they would say they cant take them off another player, despite that player using this opertunity to make 20mill, and NOT USING THE SLOTS HIMSELF!
Our production corp memeber is very miffed. He has not renewed his subscription because CCP refuse to respond to his petition.
Now our little corp is crippled in a sector of space that we intended to set up reserch duties. Useless waste of 2 weeks getting set up. :(
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Jena Malone
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Posted - 2004.09.07 08:20:00 -
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My first forum post! I finally got around to posting in here. Lab slots are a huge problem right now and are stunting the growth of EVE in general. I have a few suggestions that might make it harder for the scammers and a little easier for us genuine players looking to ease the manufacturing process.
* Increase the number of lab slots from 32 to 64 in each laboratory. More lab slots means they are more easily available and the costs associated with player trading of lab slots will fall.
* Agents can be used to locate players. Why not make agents able to locate empty lab slots too? Knowing where to get one from is much better than crawling around the known galaxy hoping and praying you will find one.
* Increase the price of lab slots for the rental period, perhaps by a factor of 10 or 20, to make it less desireable to grab as many as you can without using them. People who have lab slots for the sole purpose of selling them to the highest bidder are not playing in the spirit of the game at all.
* Perhaps ownership of lab slots (and factory slots) could be introduced as a trade item on the market? If you no longer need the slot you can put a sell order in there and people can come along and buy it.
My ideas vary from the sensible to the mediocre, I admit. We (the players) need a better way of managing and acquiring laboratories for all-important research. How am I supposed to manufacture items and sell them at competitive prices if I cannot find a lab without spending the best part of a day running around in a shuttle? It's time for a change. The large corporations are getting wealthier and wealthier while the smaller corporations can no longer get their feet into the industrial door (a heavy, thick metal door which you probably wouldn't want your foot trapped in anyway  ).
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Jena Malone
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Posted - 2004.09.07 08:20:00 -
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My first forum post! I finally got around to posting in here. Lab slots are a huge problem right now and are stunting the growth of EVE in general. I have a few suggestions that might make it harder for the scammers and a little easier for us genuine players looking to ease the manufacturing process.
* Increase the number of lab slots from 32 to 64 in each laboratory. More lab slots means they are more easily available and the costs associated with player trading of lab slots will fall.
* Agents can be used to locate players. Why not make agents able to locate empty lab slots too? Knowing where to get one from is much better than crawling around the known galaxy hoping and praying you will find one.
* Increase the price of lab slots for the rental period, perhaps by a factor of 10 or 20, to make it less desireable to grab as many as you can without using them. People who have lab slots for the sole purpose of selling them to the highest bidder are not playing in the spirit of the game at all.
* Perhaps ownership of lab slots (and factory slots) could be introduced as a trade item on the market? If you no longer need the slot you can put a sell order in there and people can come along and buy it.
My ideas vary from the sensible to the mediocre, I admit. We (the players) need a better way of managing and acquiring laboratories for all-important research. How am I supposed to manufacture items and sell them at competitive prices if I cannot find a lab without spending the best part of a day running around in a shuttle? It's time for a change. The large corporations are getting wealthier and wealthier while the smaller corporations can no longer get their feet into the industrial door (a heavy, thick metal door which you probably wouldn't want your foot trapped in anyway ).
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.07 11:14:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Kel Shek on 07/09/2004 11:18:13
I don't think the solution is to make labs more common.
while there are not enough going around... there IS an over-saturation of BPC's on many things.
I think many of the "research related" things have problems where they are now.
now... the idea of increasing the base cost, and keeping the increase thing... would help alot I think. the last payment period for factorys, I had not used 2 of them, so I lost them... but when I go to look today at that station... half the factorys (in 1.0!) were avaliable. your average person dabbling with Researching BP's does NOT need more than 1 or two. and that could be using whatever their skill allows for... on a corp owned one, for long-term BP's(ships, ect)
IMO, your average person producing for their own use, on ammo and such... should be using BPC's, not BPO's. depending on which missiles, and how many you use... a BPO might be worthwhile, like light rockets. (500 runs max is not right)
I think labs should NOT be able to be traded legitimately. if you don't need a lab slot, just let the rent run out. or unrent it. you've got your benefit, make someone else's day by them being lucky enough to find one, 
oh, and I suggest Vigils for running around things, slap a MWD and an AB on there, a cap battery, a CPR, and an overdrive... I think it was, and thats one VERY VERY quick little ship. WITHOUT the MWD on, its a little faster than a Shuttle, I belive, plus it can use that to gate or dock very quickly.
also... if you want to try building something to make a profit, use BPC's to find out the market viability and profitability where you are.
niche niche niche!
edit: oh, I was also going to say that I think something to "restart" R&D would be good. maybe like... give everyone with so many, or more RP's a choice of certain BPO's, then everyone with a lower amount up to that a choice from remaining or lower grade ones... ones with at least a certain amount,but much less, getting a selection from ammo BPO's or something... then reset the whole dang thing. check useages on currently existing BP's, and release new ones accordingly, giving everyone who already was researching, something for their trouble, and then restarting all together, so that people who've been simply idling on a crappy agent, while getting something... will need to work out skills and standings and such to find an agent that will have a good rate... and so on.
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.09.07 11:14:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Kel Shek on 07/09/2004 11:18:13
I don't think the solution is to make labs more common.
while there are not enough going around... there IS an over-saturation of BPC's on many things.
I think many of the "research related" things have problems where they are now.
now... the idea of increasing the base cost, and keeping the increase thing... would help alot I think. the last payment period for factorys, I had not used 2 of them, so I lost them... but when I go to look today at that station... half the factorys (in 1.0!) were avaliable. your average person dabbling with Researching BP's does NOT need more than 1 or two. and that could be using whatever their skill allows for... on a corp owned one, for long-term BP's(ships, ect)
IMO, your average person producing for their own use, on ammo and such... should be using BPC's, not BPO's. depending on which missiles, and how many you use... a BPO might be worthwhile, like light rockets. (500 runs max is not right)
I think labs should NOT be able to be traded legitimately. if you don't need a lab slot, just let the rent run out. or unrent it. you've got your benefit, make someone else's day by them being lucky enough to find one,
oh, and I suggest Vigils for running around things, slap a MWD and an AB on there, a cap battery, a CPR, and an overdrive... I think it was, and thats one VERY VERY quick little ship. WITHOUT the MWD on, its a little faster than a Shuttle, I belive, plus it can use that to gate or dock very quickly.
also... if you want to try building something to make a profit, use BPC's to find out the market viability and profitability where you are.
niche niche niche!
edit: oh, I was also going to say that I think something to "restart" R&D would be good. maybe like... give everyone with so many, or more RP's a choice of certain BPO's, then everyone with a lower amount up to that a choice from remaining or lower grade ones... ones with at least a certain amount,but much less, getting a selection from ammo BPO's or something... then reset the whole dang thing. check useages on currently existing BP's, and release new ones accordingly, giving everyone who already was researching, something for their trouble, and then restarting all together, so that people who've been simply idling on a crappy agent, while getting something... will need to work out skills and standings and such to find an agent that will have a good rate... and so on.
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Bijaz
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Posted - 2004.09.09 08:11:00 -
[51]
Logged on today to find my five lab slots gone. Bills were all paid a couple of days ago, and the lab slots were in use. This is really frustrating. All five slots were at the same station, and it took me months to get them all in one place.
This needs looking into. I know the petition won't be answered, but I've put one in anyway. I understand that CCP can't take the labs back off someone else, but surely there must be some way of compensating (isk?) for what is a well known bug.
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Bijaz
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Posted - 2004.09.09 08:11:00 -
[52]
Logged on today to find my five lab slots gone. Bills were all paid a couple of days ago, and the lab slots were in use. This is really frustrating. All five slots were at the same station, and it took me months to get them all in one place.
This needs looking into. I know the petition won't be answered, but I've put one in anyway. I understand that CCP can't take the labs back off someone else, but surely there must be some way of compensating (isk?) for what is a well known bug.
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2004.09.26 17:38:00 -
[53]
What I want to know is why people (even those affected by this problem) think it's unfair to take the newly acquired slots off the new renter if it is indeed a bug-related issue? Aren't those slots being made available erroneously?
By the way, I have no slots... my corp has no slots... I've been looking frequently... no vested interest in people retaining slots at all.
But in fairness, if the GMs are letting this slide isn't it tantamount to allowing an exploit?
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2004.09.26 17:38:00 -
[54]
What I want to know is why people (even those affected by this problem) think it's unfair to take the newly acquired slots off the new renter if it is indeed a bug-related issue? Aren't those slots being made available erroneously?
By the way, I have no slots... my corp has no slots... I've been looking frequently... no vested interest in people retaining slots at all.
But in fairness, if the GMs are letting this slide isn't it tantamount to allowing an exploit?
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Exarch
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Posted - 2004.09.26 23:02:00 -
[55]
I have been collecting lab slots at one station since i started this game a few months back.
Now i'm up to 9 research slots, i've had to make 2 alts on my account just to run them all. And i've never bought any.. in fact i've sold a few i happened across that were not at my hq station.
I have not once had a slot unrent, i do believe there is a bug tho. To keep all my labs i never give them a run lasting over 4 days. It is my belief that when a lab is in use on the same project from one bill to the next it unrents upon getting the 2nd bill even if the first was paid.
And yes i use all my labs, most of them have cruiser bpos witch i copy and spam escrow.
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Exarch
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Posted - 2004.09.26 23:02:00 -
[56]
I have been collecting lab slots at one station since i started this game a few months back.
Now i'm up to 9 research slots, i've had to make 2 alts on my account just to run them all. And i've never bought any.. in fact i've sold a few i happened across that were not at my hq station.
I have not once had a slot unrent, i do believe there is a bug tho. To keep all my labs i never give them a run lasting over 4 days. It is my belief that when a lab is in use on the same project from one bill to the next it unrents upon getting the 2nd bill even if the first was paid.
And yes i use all my labs, most of them have cruiser bpos witch i copy and spam escrow.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.09.27 00:18:00 -
[57]
Perhaps someone in your corp 'unrented' them...
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2004.09.27 00:18:00 -
[58]
Perhaps someone in your corp 'unrented' them...
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