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Maikar
Gallente
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 03:24:00 -
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Make the contract listing feature much like the corporation/alliance fleet invitation feature, in that it auto-generates a link into local and no extra information can be typed. Something like: (this is one I see a lot)
Sister Scanner Probe x5 - 1,999,999,999.00 ISK
That would stop them dead in their tracks. I don't believe they would stop trying to scam, but perhaps they would stop SPAMMING IT!!!
:)
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Draulin
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.09 03:27:00 -
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I sign against this.
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Raskor
Crossflow Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.04.09 03:28:00 -
[3]
Signed.
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Marraach
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Posted - 2009.04.09 03:40:00 -
[4]
Not signed.
My solution to this would be simple. Some kind of mechanic that auto prevent the char from posting in local for one hour when he gets blocked by some % of the local population.
Easy, not definitive, effective, you let the population decide. |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.04.09 03:43:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 09/04/2009 03:44:26
signed.
There's no point looking in jita local anymore. 19/20 contracts are scams.
If I didn't have to open every single link window and examine it first to see it was a scam and could just sit back and see which ones were real offers for myself, I'd have more interest again.
They're not big or clever, it's just really tiresome, I've never been contract scammed once in 3 years of playing and hopefully never will.
if you disagree with me then you should probably post a response and stop reading my signature. |
Zer'Adul
Kore Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.09 03:47:00 -
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Very simply, if you don't like the spam don't read local. If you can't deal with that, just block them. You'll eventually get all the ones in the area for the day.
Scams are prevalent as long as they don't cross certain lines, and the addition of the contract price in local would likely outright kill a section of gameplay so effectively its not funny.
This change would remove a rather funny aspect of Eve. Other games come down so hard on scams, that they start losing the players they were trying to protect. If this sort of thing hits Eve, the detonation from the players who use scams as they're income source would likely be unparalleled. Think about it, the largest alliance in the game scams people by the thousands. Care to guess how they go about it? It's not just the recruitment scams.
This change is bad for more then one reason.
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Maikar
Gallente
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 04:15:00 -
[7]
 Originally by: Zer'Adul
Very simply, if you don't like the spam don't read local. If you can't deal with that, just block them. You'll eventually get all the ones in the area for the day.
Scams are prevalent as long as they don't cross certain lines, and the addition of the contract price in local would likely outright kill a section of gameplay so effectively its not funny.
This change would remove a rather funny aspect of Eve. Other games come down so hard on scams, that they start losing the players they were trying to protect. If this sort of thing hits Eve, the detonation from the players who use scams as they're income source would likely be unparalleled. Think about it, the largest alliance in the game scams people by the thousands. Care to guess how they go about it? It's not just the recruitment scams.
This change is bad for more then one reason.
I HARDLY doubt that the addition of contract price will stop them from attempting to scam. It's not killing scamming, it's an attempt at preventing them from spamming it all about.
I suspect I'd be removing a major source of YOUR income.
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Zer'Adul
Kore Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.09 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Maikar
I HARDLY doubt that the addition of contract price will stop them from attempting to scam. It's not killing scamming, it's an attempt at preventing them from spamming it all about.
I suspect I'd be removing a major source of YOUR income.
Not in the least, I engage in market piracy. Not scamming. Doesn't mean I don't LOL when I see someone drop a scam in local.
And my original point still stands. If you don't like it, block them. Problem solved. Scams, and the resulting spam from someone ATK, are a fact of life in Eve. If it's such a problem, something would have been done a long time ago.
And if you suspect them of using a macro, for the love of all that's holy, or unholy depending on your particular bend, PETITION THEM!
Just because you think they're annoying, doesn't mean the rest of us think that. I find them hilarious for the simple fact of them actually having the patience to go out with a hook and line, while the rest of us are out with drift nets.
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Enthral
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Posted - 2009.04.09 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zer'Adul
If this sort of thing hits Eve, the detonation from the players who use scams as they're income source would likely be unparalleled. Think about it, the largest alliance in the game scams people by the thousands. Care to guess how they go about it? It's not just the recruitment scams.
Jaded much?
I seriously doubt that such a large number of players use scams as their income source that EVE would somehow "detonate" if they were no longer able to use this form of scamming.
In any event, the spam is a non-problem. I simply don't read local when I am in high sec, particularly Jita or one of the major trade hubs. Unless, of course, I am at war--in which case, I'm not going to be in Jita or a major trade hub anyway.
-Enthral
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DMF KingBob
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Posted - 2009.04.09 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Marraach
Not signed.
My solution to this would be simple. Some kind of mechanic that auto prevent the char from posting in local for one hour when he gets blocked by some % of the local population.
Easy, not definitive, effective, you let the population decide.
sounds like a good solution to stop spammers
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Jaeith Fallswith
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Posted - 2009.04.09 10:26:00 -
[11]
Signed.
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Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.09 10:43:00 -
[12]
WTS Estamels Invulnerability Field CHEAP 20mil isk
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5tarz
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Posted - 2009.04.09 11:02:00 -
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This is a dumb idea. While not a scammer myself, scamming and piracy etc. all make Eve what it is. Taking away this ability from the players is taking away their freedom.
I don't support or agree with scamming, but why box players in eve more? Just block scammers in local and use your head. Inspect every contract before you buy it. If you get scammed its because you are dumb!
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Psychanioxine
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Posted - 2009.04.09 11:40:00 -
[14]
signed
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Maikar
Gallente
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Maikar on 09/04/2009 12:08:43
Originally by: 5tarz
Edited by: 5tarz on 09/04/2009 11:27:06
This is a dumb idea. While not a scammer myself, scamming and piracy etc. all make Eve what it is. Taking away this ability from the players is taking away their freedom.
I don't support or agree with scamming, but why box players in eve more? Just block scammers in local and use your head. Inspect every contract before you buy it. If you get scammed its because you are dumb!
Solution to Scam-Spamming - don't be such a nub!
It is NOT a solution to scamming, it simply stops them from spamming the local with their lies.
I myself am a pirate, so I understand the 'dark side' of making isk. I don't spam for people to go sit in an asteroid belt tho.
Been to Jita lately? Try sorting out the HONEST peoples' contracts. I dare ya.
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Zer'Adul
Kore Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.09 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Maikar
It is NOT a solution to scamming, it simply stops them from spamming the local with their lies.
I myself am a pirate, so I understand the 'dark side' of making isk. I don't spam for people to go sit in an asteroid belt tho.
Been to Jita lately? Try sorting out the HONEST peoples' contracts. I dare ya.
Oh that's easy. There is a button on the left marked "Contracts." Seems pretty easy to me.
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Maikar
Gallente
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zer'Adul
Originally by: Maikar
It is NOT a solution to scamming, it simply stops them from spamming the local with their lies.
I myself am a pirate, so I understand the 'dark side' of making isk. I don't spam for people to go sit in an asteroid belt tho.
Been to Jita lately? Try sorting out the HONEST peoples' contracts. I dare ya.
Oh that's easy. There is a button on the left marked "Contracts." Seems pretty easy to me.
The way as I see it, is that the only people who stand to lose anything are those who would spam us with their garbage anyways.
Until you can produce a legitimately negative consequence as reason why this change shouldn't be made (and I don't mean OPINIONS), kindly leave this thread.
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Zer'Adul
Kore Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.09 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Maikar
Originally by: Zer'Adul
Originally by: Maikar
It is NOT a solution to scamming, it simply stops them from spamming the local with their lies.
I myself am a pirate, so I understand the 'dark side' of making isk. I don't spam for people to go sit in an asteroid belt tho.
Been to Jita lately? Try sorting out the HONEST peoples' contracts. I dare ya.
Oh that's easy. There is a button on the left marked "Contracts." Seems pretty easy to me.
The way as I see it, is that the only people who stand to lose anything are those who would spam us with their garbage anyways.
Until you can produce a legitimately negative consequence as reason why this change shouldn't be made (and I don't mean OPINIONS), kindly leave this thread.
One legit consequence, eh? How about the consequences to the honest salesman trying to talk up his contracts. Most of them do a copy+paste into local with the contract as part of the copy pasta. Suddenly they start to lose sales over the price showing up in local. Simply because they can't explain in the same line why the price is up there.
I've been to Jita more then I care to admit to, however I ignore the low SNR in local because I *KNOW* I can spot a scam if I hit the contract button.
If you use common sense, spotting a scam in local is insanely easy. Let the scammers have their spam, I'd rather block one of them then try to ramrod something like this down everyone's throat.
Final note, stay out of Jita if you don't like the spam. There are alternatives. Amarr, Dodixie, Hek/Rens. They have similar prices, if not better then Jita, and nearly no spam.
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3l1m1n4t0r
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Posted - 2009.04.09 18:27:00 -
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signed
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Murashu
Agony's End
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Posted - 2009.04.09 19:08:00 -
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Block feature still works the last time I checked. No new coding needed 
Murashu
Agony's End |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.04.09 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Murashu
Block feature still works the last time I checked. No new coding needed
I agree with this. The only change I would like to see is the number of people I can block raised, especially on the contracts search feature.
But no, we don't need to change the way local works.
--Vel
Originally by: Liang Nuren
10 shots really makes me a sad panda
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Maikar
Gallente
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zer'Adul
Originally by: Maikar
Originally by: Zer'Adul
Originally by: Maikar
It is NOT a solution to scamming, it simply stops them from spamming the local with their lies.
I myself am a pirate, so I understand the 'dark side' of making isk. I don't spam for people to go sit in an asteroid belt tho.
Been to Jita lately? Try sorting out the HONEST peoples' contracts. I dare ya.
Oh that's easy. There is a button on the left marked "Contracts." Seems pretty easy to me.
The way as I see it, is that the only people who stand to lose anything are those who would spam us with their garbage anyways.
Until you can produce a legitimately negative consequence as reason why this change shouldn't be made (and I don't mean OPINIONS), kindly leave this thread.
One legit consequence, eh? How about the consequences to the honest salesman trying to talk up his contracts. Most of them do a copy+paste into local with the contract as part of the copy pasta. Suddenly they start to lose sales over the price showing up in local. Simply because they can't explain in the same line why the price is up there.
I've been to Jita more then I care to admit to, however I ignore the low SNR in local because I *KNOW* I can spot a scam if I hit the contract button.
If you use common sense, spotting a scam in local is insanely easy. Let the scammers have their spam, I'd rather block one of them then try to ramrod something like this down everyone's throat.
Final note, stay out of Jita if you don't like the spam. There are alternatives. Amarr, Dodixie, Hek/Rens. They have similar prices, if not better then Jita, and nearly no spam.
That, is a legitimate reason! Was that so difficult?
I do agree that people should be talking their contracts up, but how often does that work if people take your advice to ignore local?
If an item deserves to be higher price, it's typically because it's something like a rigged ship and will appear as [Multiple Items], in which case I would click to see what it is if it's in my price range. Don't forget there's a 'Contract Description' section that not many people tend to use. :/
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Den McConan
Caldari
Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.10 09:40:00 -
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Signed.
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Zer'Adul
Kore Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maikar
That, is a legitimate reason! Was that so difficult?
I do agree that people should be talking their contracts up, but how often does that work if people take your advice to ignore local?
If an item deserves to be higher price, it's typically because it's something like a rigged ship and will appear as [Multiple Items], in which case I would click to see what it is if it's in my price range. Don't forget there's a 'Contract Description' section that not many people tend to use. :/
Sadly, most of the scammers already use it to try keeping people from reading their contracts.
The description doesn't show in local as it is, so using it is irrelevant. Making it show in local isn't going to help either, as scammers use it a lot more often then the honest players.
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.11 09:26:00 -
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Close jita local.
Check contracts in the contracts menu.
Solved.
Proud member of RZR - Decadence. |
Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Close jita local.
Check contracts in the contracts menu.
Solved.
Not solved unless you can see local list without seeing conversation/spam. As eve doesnt allow to break those 2 apart it needs fixing one way or other.
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.11 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Close jita local.
Check contracts in the contracts menu.
Solved.
Not solved unless you can see local list without seeing conversation/spam. As eve doesnt allow to break those 2 apart it needs fixing one way or other.
Ok, then:
Ignore Jita local (does not need a skill).
Check contracts in menu.
Solved. 
Proud member of RZR - Decadence. |
Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Close jita local.
Check contracts in the contracts menu.
Solved.
Not solved unless you can see local list without seeing conversation/spam. As eve doesnt allow to break those 2 apart it needs fixing one way or other.
Ok, then:
Ignore Jita local (does not need a skill).
Check contracts in menu.
Solved.
HOLY ****, YOU ARE NEW EINSTEIN!
Now seriously either propose something sensible or dont bother posting here at all. CAOD is good place for trolls like you.
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Maikar
Gallente
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Maikar on 11/04/2009 17:38:34
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: Colonel Xaven
Close jita local.
Check contracts in the contracts menu.
Solved.
Not solved unless you can see local list without seeing conversation/spam. As eve doesnt allow to break those 2 apart it needs fixing one way or other.
Ok, then:
Ignore Jita local (does not need a skill).
Check contracts in menu.
Solved.
HOLY ****, YOU ARE NEW EINSTEIN!
Now seriously either propose something sensible or dont bother posting here at all. CAOD is good place for trolls like you.
QFT. Thank you. That's what I've been trying to say, but I guess I'm too nice.
Let me add to that. Obviously, if I wanted to ignore local I would. I don't, so that's why this thread is here. Be useful, or STFU and move along.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.04.12 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zer'Adul
Very simply, if you don't like the spam don't read local. If you can't deal with that, just block them. You'll eventually get all the ones in the area for the day.
Scams are prevalent as long as they don't cross certain lines, and the addition of the contract price in local would likely outright kill a section of gameplay so effectively its not funny.
This change would remove a rather funny aspect of Eve. Other games come down so hard on scams, that they start losing the players they were trying to protect. If this sort of thing hits Eve, the detonation from the players who use scams as they're income source would likely be unparalleled. Think about it, the largest alliance in the game scams people by the thousands. Care to guess how they go about it? It's not just the recruitment scams.
This change is bad for more then one reason.
the scam spam actually causes additional lag in jita whether you read it or not. Jita is bad enough being the superhub.Spammers/scammers just make it worse.
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