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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:09:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Mars Theran wrote:The griefing is killing EVE If you witness acts of griefing, you should report them to the GMs via the petition system so that the griefers are properly punished. I would really hate it if griefers killed my pvp-centric spaceship MMO that I've devoted many years of my life to.
I'm not referring to griefing in the sense of targeting a specific individual, but more directly to the general sort of griefing that Hulkageddon and Burn Jita consist of. It's still griefing, (what else would you call it?), but it's not against the EULA or ToS. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |

TWHC Assistant
49
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:12:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:If all these pathetic haters and whiners would really be consequent and leave EVE the game would be fixed. Your stupidity is showing. You hate others just the same. And those who you hate affect your game in no way unless you let them, which makes you the whiner. |

Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:26:00 -
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TWHC Assistant wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:If all these pathetic haters and whiners would really be consequent and leave EVE the game would be fixed. Your stupidity is showing. You hate others just the same. And those who you hate affect your game in no way unless you let them, which makes you the whiner.
Meh
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
380
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:29:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Mars Theran wrote:The griefing is killing EVE If you witness acts of griefing, you should report them to the GMs via the petition system so that the griefers are properly punished. I would really hate it if griefers killed my pvp-centric spaceship MMO that I've devoted many years of my life to. I'm not referring to griefing in the sense of targeting a specific individual, but more directly to the general sort of griefing that Hulkageddon and Burn Jita consist of. It's still griefing, (what else would you call it?), but it's not against the EULA or ToS. Well CCP defines griefing as persecution. Are you saying that your definition of griefing in relation to EVE is more accurate than CCP's definition of griefing? |

Biff Rodgers
Null Sec Enterprises Fade 2 Black
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:20:00 -
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I'm not sure if I can add anything not already added but, it is essentially a player based game "nothing new there" meaning it is dependant on players making it fun for them selves "sand box". So with that in mind CCP have tried to find a ballance between PVE and PVP. Again nothing new there either. In my meager 4 years on here, there is more room for improvement on things like wardec mechanics, it's easy for a corp to keep a wardec open on another corp or alliance. This seems to have been a big enough gripe to get CSM involved. There has been other issues like with staticmapper where jump counts in WH has been removed, (I hope they remove NPC kill counts too.) There has been a recent patch to plug a loophole where a pilot can aggress in Hi sec and avoid concord once a aggression counter has started....
CCP is working in improving the game play of EVE, It's a continual work in progress, I just which they spend more time on working on the game play rather than on pew pew. Game play makes more long term enjoyment than pretty fairy lights.
Biff |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
644
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:23:00 -
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Solo and small gang PvP is in great state, try lowsec and WHs. There are lots of guys and small groups simply doing what they love, which is good fights.
Dunno if anything else really matters.
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
851
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:40:00 -
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Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so?
I came back a year ago (holy crap) and have been enjoying it immensely. First time I've ever made it past ~3 months in a row and have hit 12 this time. They're making some changes to stop the random wardec harassment and make corporation wars more meaningful, we'll see how that goes.
I would have suggested you try Incursions if you were looking for good PVE content (I presume so since you did Wormholes) but they were nerfed into utter oblivion recently and are no longer worth bothering with other than a curiosity. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
179
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:47:00 -
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Dennmoth Ferdier wrote:All wormholes are occupied. The goons, the russians and soon to be japanese empire cartel everything. Major alliances are deciding where you can do your shopping and where you can't, mining has been deemed bad and punishable by aggression, and the trolls have multiplied by a factor of 1000.
Do not return.
The above +100. CCP feeds the trolls & eventually 'fixes' everything into extinction everything that you like about the game. Game testing is done by a bunch of monkies throwing poo on the wall & the DEV's code by sense of smell Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
179
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:49:00 -
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Xython wrote:Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so? I came back a year ago (holy crap) and have been enjoying it immensely. First time I've ever made it past ~3 months in a row and have hit 12 this time. They're making some changes to stop the random wardec harassment and make corporation wars more meaningful, we'll see how that goes. I would have suggested you try Incursions if you were looking for good PVE content (I presume so since you did Wormholes) but they were nerfed into utter oblivion recently and are no longer worth bothering with other than a curiosity.
I too enjoyed Incursions immensely until the patch & am seriously considering unsubbing after CCP 'fixed' it just like I quit Eve for 6 months after theIncarna fiasco Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
89
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:55:00 -
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Morganta wrote:its never worth returning to eve
it is however a good idea
This. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
645
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:56:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Dennmoth Ferdier wrote:All wormholes are occupied. The goons, the russians and soon to be japanese empire cartel everything. Major alliances are deciding where you can do your shopping and where you can't, mining has been deemed bad and punishable by aggression, and the trolls have multiplied by a factor of 1000.
Do not return. The above +100. CCP feeds the trolls & eventually 'fixes' everything into extinction everything that you like about the game. Game testing is done by a bunch of monkies throwing poo on the wall & the DEV's code by sense of smell
If you weren't so batshit stupid, you'd realize you got trolled.
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |

Holy One
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
198
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:01:00 -
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Phrank Phish wrote:No.
Saying that, I cant put my finger on exactly what is missing.
About 20, 000 people.
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Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
50
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:31:00 -
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Dennmoth Ferdier wrote:All wormholes are occupied.
:-)
I'm not sure about *that*. A few months ago i was able to get via an C1 WH to another (i think it was a C2) WH, which was very huge and had one abandoned POS in it. The reason was discovered very fast: As far as i can remember it has a "permanent" exit to LowSec. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
645
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:33:00 -
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There are plenty of empty WH's. Also, lowsec static, best static <3 ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |

Heimdallofasgard
T.O.R.
158
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:08:00 -
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Allow me to convolute a metaphor.
Sandboxes are funny things, the eve sand box in particular, you have the kids around the edges with water and spades building sand castles under their mums watchful gauge.
Then as you get to the middle you have the toddler who's just digging a massive hole, outdoing everyone, kicking and thrashing throwing sand everywhere and making everyone else paranoid he's gonna knock over their lovely little pubbie sandcastles.
That kid is awesome, hilarious to watch and comedy no matter what he does, and by the end of it when everyone's gone home, the dust settles, all the sandcastles have blown over and there's a f***ing great big hole in the middle of the sandpit as testament to how crazy that kid was.
So yes... Re-Join eve, be a passive observer, get involved in the player run events, join a massive null-sec bloc and conribute to a great community and massive fleet battles not found anywhere else online, stay in high sec and persue individual success go into wormholes for adrenaline rushes. go to low-sec for casual pvp stuff and pirating.
Know the risks and limits of the game, and enjoy yourself within it. You will loose things.
Remember, Confucius say: "Even a sandbox has walls"
Edit: The toddler in the middle is null sec btw. Kick Heim. |

Harland White
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:16:00 -
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Well, Goons essentially control CCP, since several folks at CCP are confirmed goons. It's not a good thing for anyone that dislikes the goon mentality, because they're making small changes here and there to shift the game to what the goons want it to be. That will continue to happen until EVE is basically "that 273rd game that got wrecked by goons". Right now it's not so bad, but if CCP continues what it's doing and planning, it'll be time to abandon ship eventually. |

Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:18:00 -
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lastest patch note:
GùªRecent changes to fleet- and corp member access to hangars and ship maintenance bays in capital ships (and Orca's) have been reverted. Happy fleet mining :)
CCP's high horse does get riden sometimes, no denying that, but it seems they are willing to listen since the riots, so come on back  |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
645
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:32:00 -
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Harland White wrote:Well, Goons essentially control CCP, since several folks at CCP are confirmed goons. It's not a good thing for anyone that dislikes the goon mentality, because they're making small changes here and there to shift the game to what the goons want it to be. That will continue to happen until EVE is basically "that 273rd game that got wrecked by goons". Right now it's not so bad, but if CCP continues what it's doing and planning, it'll be time to abandon ship eventually.
Goons also control the EU, World Bank and China, mere puppets of an internet forum community of random strangers.
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |

Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
260
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:24:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Eve is pretty much the worst game out there and gets worse with every day that passes by. For every member your corp gets there are 10 half dozen member gangs who will wardec to harass you. Nowadays it's not just those guys but also the Goons killing every single mining ship out there, and breaking trade hubs left and right. Eve is only going to get worse from what I see, between the wardec revamp, Drake nerf, bot bans, drone nerf, and generally CCP being the most horrible game company.
Eve is in fact so terrible that in order to have fun you have to bend your own mind and create something that's fun. If you want to take another swing at that, go ahead and come back to Eve. If not, then no, Eve has not gotten any more fun.
All other idiocy in this post aside... the drake is not getting a nerf. The proposed changes are a HUGE buff. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
851
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:54:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Xython wrote:Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so? I came back a year ago (holy crap) and have been enjoying it immensely. First time I've ever made it past ~3 months in a row and have hit 12 this time. They're making some changes to stop the random wardec harassment and make corporation wars more meaningful, we'll see how that goes. I would have suggested you try Incursions if you were looking for good PVE content (I presume so since you did Wormholes) but they were nerfed into utter oblivion recently and are no longer worth bothering with other than a curiosity. I too enjoyed Incursions immensely until the patch & am seriously considering unsubbing after CCP 'fixed' it just like I quit Eve for 6 months after theIncarna fiasco
I wouldn't do that, as if you're unsubbed you literally do not count as a character (I'd say person but that's too sensationalist) to CCP's calculations about pre and post Incursion running.
Instead, just give constructive feedback in their thread about Incursions, and hopefully they'll implement the change that was actually tested on the test server, rather than the random nerf suplex we got on live. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
917
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:07:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Eve is pretty much the worst game out there and gets worse with every day that passes by. For every member your corp gets there are 10 half dozen member gangs who will wardec to harass you. Nowadays it's not just those guys but also the Goons killing every single mining ship out there, and breaking trade hubs left and right. Eve is only going to get worse from what I see, between the wardec revamp, Drake nerf, bot bans, drone nerf, and generally CCP being the most horrible game company.
Eve is in fact so terrible that in order to have fun you have to bend your own mind and create something that's fun. If you want to take another swing at that, go ahead and come back to Eve. If not, then no, Eve has not gotten any more fun. All other idiocy in this post aside... the drake is not getting a nerf. The proposed changes are a HUGE buff. The forums really need formatting for sarcasm. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
549
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:11:00 -
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i say go for it and be low profile.. everyone is derping about goons killing hulks during hulkageddon *eye roll* and the kill a few ships in jita avent that happened a few days ago *eye roll again*
i'm not saying goons are not powerful, just that people are going nuts about it.
find something u like join a corp doing that something play the game. this is how its been for a long long time now.
if you want quick pvp join red vs blue. |

Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:46:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:-------
Regarding World of Darkness:
The game is NOT D&D. It has a massive base of fans, and White Wolf is second in market size only to WotC( who owns D&D). D&D is about being the hero. Vampire is about basically being as evil and corrupt as you can get away with. Dark, grim, and back-stabbing psychopaths set in a world with a myriad of politics and dark agendas at every corner. There's a whole segment of gamers that eat that stuff up like crack.
Dust is looking to be Planetside 2.5, essentially - (poor Sony - heh). Awesome stuff. CCP *is* devoting massive amount of people and money into both games. As it should, since those are their next two money-makers.
Now, EVE isn't dying. It's just probably going to be left alone and let to run as-is with some updates every so often. Not that that's a bad thing. Just don't expect a massive change in the gaming experience. If you left once, you'll almost certainly leave again as the core problems that drove you away in the first place are still here. |

Acheron Cyc
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:48:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:EVE is suffering from an excess of player-player griefing atm, with Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, and all. The forums are full of trolling and negative sentiment, and thread/post quality has gone down considerably with these recent events and excess inflation. Players are not logging in, and it seems to me that the current online players is roughly half what it was on average a month ago.
Don't worry. 4chanSwarm are not the first to try to break the game for others nor they will be the las,t and just like the alliances and corps that came before them, they too will eventually fade. Such is the cycle of things in EvE.
Most people probably don't remember m0o by now other than as a eve-history entry, and they achieved far more when it came to game mechanics changes and getting the devs involved than the BtardFleet ever did and probably ever will.
tl;dr: Deal with it. They'll eventually fall just to be replaced for something else. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1339
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:11:00 -
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Acheron Cyc wrote:
Don't worry. 4chanSwarm are not the first to try to break the game for others nor they will be the las,t and just like the alliances and corps that came before them, they too will eventually fade. Such is the cycle of things in EvE.
Most people probably don't remember m0o by now other than as a eve-history entry, and they achieved far more when it came to game mechanics changes and getting the devs involved than the BtardFleet ever did and probably ever will.
tl;dr: Deal with it. They'll eventually fall just to be replaced for something else.
Herp a derp. Goonswarm is not related to 4chan. This might help:
Goonswarm: SomethingAwful TEST: Reddit Elite Space Guild: 4Chan
Also, its pretty damn easy to force mechanics changes when a game is young, full of bugs, poorly though out from a practical perspective and in dire need of proper testing and fixing. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

Acheron Cyc
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:27:00 -
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And the difference again is...?.
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Jonah Gravenstein
277
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:48:00 -
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Plekto wrote:Mars Theran wrote:-------
Regarding World of Darkness:
The game is NOT D&D. It has a massive base of fans, and White Wolf is second in market size only to WotC( who owns D&D). D&D is about being the hero. Vampire is about basically being as evil and corrupt as you can get away with. Dark, grim, and back-stabbing psychopaths set in a world with a myriad of politics and dark agendas at every corner. There's a whole segment of gamers that eat that stuff up like crack.
The segment of gamers that lap up that type of thing are mostly playing Eve, CCP and White Wolf certainly know their market in that respect.
@ the OP, come back for a month or so, if you don't like where the game is headed unsub for a while, a lot did that after CCP derped with WiS, they soon got back on track and went back to working on Internet Spaceships.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Pres Crendraven
15
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:09:00 -
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CCP is geerally embracing their Goon leadership. They are enthralled over their antics Like Homos swooning over Ponies and Rainbows pouring glittery stars across the sky. I been hangin in the last 6 months letting one account after another burn off. Its not quite time to return yet IMO. The wardec system is still to fail to build a corp unless its pvp based. Now if you want to build a PVP corp, the game is always in need of good corp leaders and FC's. Are you ready to play 8 to 15 hours a day? Thats your competition. Meta34me
Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent. |

Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
278
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:11:00 -
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Pres Crendraven wrote:Are you ready to play 8 to 15 hours a day? Thats your competition.
hahaha
I love all the excuses people imagine for why they're so terrible at eve
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Danius Kura
Man Evolved
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:46:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Mars Theran wrote:The griefing is killing EVE If you witness acts of griefing, you should report them to the GMs via the petition system so that the griefers are properly punished. I would really hate it if griefers killed my pvp-centric spaceship MMO that I've devoted many years of my life to.
In my experience, CCP doesn't really do much about what most people would consider griefing--suicide ganking, mission ganking, ninja salvaging, ISK and contract scamming, etc. One GM just told me, flat out: "They are allowed to lose their ships however they see fit."
He's right, of course, and it doesn't break the game for me, at least--but it also doesn't make me want to play more than I already do, and it certainly doesn't make me want to recommend it to my RL friends. |
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