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Canteen Charlie
Whiskey Shooters
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:00:00 -
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So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so? |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:04:00 -
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sure why not?
give it shot and get your own conclusions, you never know you might enjoy it as much this time around.
OR
You will hate it and ask the same question again in a few years or so.
good luck. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:04:00 -
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Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so? it seems that your lack of enjoyment was due more to other players than to game mechanics and patches^^
and humans don't change |
Dennmoth Ferdier
Zero Gravity Productions
23
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:04:00 -
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All wormholes are occupied. The goons, the russians and soon to be japanese empire cartel everything. Major alliances are deciding where you can do your shopping and where you can't, mining has been deemed bad and punishable by aggression, and the trolls have multiplied by a factor of 1000.
Do not return. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
905
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:08:00 -
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Eve is pretty much the worst game out there and gets worse with every day that passes by. For every member your corp gets there are 10 half dozen member gangs who will wardec to harass you. Nowadays it's not just those guys but also the Goons killing every single mining ship out there, and breaking trade hubs left and right. Eve is only going to get worse from what I see, between the wardec revamp, Drake nerf, bot bans, drone nerf, and generally CCP being the most horrible game company.
Eve is in fact so terrible that in order to have fun you have to bend your own mind and create something that's fun. If you want to take another swing at that, go ahead and come back to Eve. If not, then no, Eve has not gotten any more fun. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1294
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:10:00 -
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Join the dark side, we have bitchin' coffee. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1079
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:19:00 -
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its never worth returning to eve
it is however a good idea The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
161
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:21:00 -
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I think so, and new mechanics might make it nicer on the war dec side, changes incoming to the criminal side though unknown exactly when. New ships, and changes in industry. Best bet is renew one for a month, play around and choose for yourself. Main expansion is may 24! |
adopt
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
390
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:22:00 -
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This thread is littered with anti-goon propaganda, Y U ALL SO MAD SON Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
267
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:42:00 -
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lol
if your problem with eve is that you weren't able to build anything without someone else trying to tear it down, then no, that has not changed and it will not ever change |
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D3F4ULT
53
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:00:00 -
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Don't live in HS and you'll be fine. The only people who live in HS are who want to play a single player campaign. Then they get on the forums and scream bloody murder and clutter the forums with useless crying.
Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs ) |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
121
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:03:00 -
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There's only one answer to this question. No. You should get as far away from this game as you can. Unless you can be a GOON. Then you will be happy forever. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1300
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:04:00 -
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D3F4ULT wrote:Don't live in HS and you'll be fine. The only people who live in HS are who want to play a single player campaign. Then they get on the forums and scream bloody murder and clutter the forums with useless crying.
Accurate TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
232
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:06:00 -
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This thread is a rollercoaster of emotion.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ANYMORE . |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:09:00 -
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Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so?
Eve is a fairly ****** game at face value
It's more about making your own fun in the game so if you enjoyed the WH's then maybe coming back would be a good idea but ask yourself why you quit EVE and if you can make that change yourself as the game is pretty much the same it's always been just with a new lick of paint here and there.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
290
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:18:00 -
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The last two expansions have been pretty good, so from a gameplay standpoint go for it. But if you want it to stop being Eve? Well. Eve is eve. |
Phrank Phish
Black Viper Nomads
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:29:00 -
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No.
I unsubbed 10 months ago, came back last week to see how things are progressing, game isnt what it was.
Saying that, I cant put my finger on exactly what is missing. Besides the shiny, things are as they have allways been, I think maybe the playerbase is just degenerating. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:30:00 -
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Canteen Charlie wrote:Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass.
This is only getting worse
Quote:Major alliances are deciding where you can do your shopping and where you can't, mining has been deemed bad and punishable by aggression, and the trolls have multiplied by a factor of 1000.
Do not return
Some would say those trolls and major alliances have taken over CCP so if thats bad to you...
Akirei Scytale wrote:D3F4ULT wrote:Don't live in HS and you'll be fine. The only people who live in HS are who want to play a single player campaign. Then they get on the forums and scream bloody murder and clutter the forums with useless crying.
Accurate
btw; TEST = Goon
Phrank Phish wrote:No.
I unsubbed 10 months ago, came back last week to see how things are progressing, game isnt what it was.
Saying that, I cant put my finger on exactly what is missing. Besides the shiny, things are as they have allways been, I think maybe the playerbase is just degenerating.
Whats the biggest corp in game? Now whats the corp that has the most INFLUENCE in the game? (it starts with a G) (theres an N in there) (and two "o"s) I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:44:00 -
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Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so?
If you enjoy PvP it is the best thing goin |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
230
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:45:00 -
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It is not worth it, at the moment we got a whole BoB situation going on again except this time it is worse, they are called goons and pets.
You should check back in next year to see if CCP kept any promises and dealt with their corruption. |
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Shian Yang
54
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:56:00 -
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Greetings capsuleer,
It saddens me to hear you have allowed your pilot license to lapse. Whilst this section of New Eden is filled with propoganda, rhetoric and capsuleers that have had their fundamental orifices enlarged by Ammarian probes to the point of pain I would recommend you try it for yourself.
No other pilot can explain the joy they experience at taming the vast void between the stars. It is something you need to experience and try for yourself; to see if you would like to reactivate your license.
Simply re-active it for a month and have a look.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
388
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:59:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:It is not worth it, at the moment we got a whole BoB situation going on again except this time it is worse, they are called goons and pets.
You should check back in next year to see if CCP kept any promises and dealt with their corruption.
I don't have a problem with goons, per se...I have a problem with the total lack of a counter-balance and the fact that nulsec entities can't seem to mind their own affairs.
But I digress....
I don't necessarily recommend returning, and I will tell you why. It has nothing to do with the madness that is currently going on, or the fact that it is continuing with no signs of stopping. I say do not return because
Nothing is special anymore, and the ocean has become shallow to the point of being a kiddie pool.
Caps are commonplace, there is no great war, no great depression. Great forum missives have gone the way of the dodo, replaced by "Umad bro" and posts about goon scams and how the hisec player does nothing but dive into vaults filled with pools of isk. Nulsec players are coming to hisec because they are bored and need to kick some kindergarteners around. They've neutered themselves to the point that they won't fight each other lest they disrupt their isk-printing machines. Meanwhile, hisec has become a hive of scum and villainy, more dangerous than all but the front lines of nulsec fights and losec pirate dens. Big brother has decided what is best for the common citizen, neverminding the fact that it isn't necessarily the best for the game.
Or you could become a drone and join one of those big ol' nulsec corps...you might like that. To call me a Carebear is a misnomer...while it is true that I am hairy like a bear (or two russian women), I really don't care.-á Like, at all.-á Call me an Apathybear.-á Just don't call if you need assistance. |
TWHC Assistant
49
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Posted - 2012.05.04 00:03:00 -
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Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so? They did not remove the Incarna stuff, but left it in. Instead, they cut 20% of their staff... This was pretty terrible news in my opinion. CCP will probably try to sneak their ideas in anyway and past the players. This could still get interesting, but in a bad way. There is however some good news. CCP has been focusing on ships again and made the technical aspect of the game more interesting. Things are happening, things are changing. Also, CCP is stomping out botters and they seem to be getting good at it.
Players' attitude wise has nothing changed. If you do not base your game on how others have to be then you will be fine. Goons see other players as pieces of a board game. Ironically do they think they are the only ones not playing a single-player game. Do what everyone does, do play the game like it was a single-player game. Almost everyone does it in their own special way, because they all have expectations and still need to get rid of them. It is a sandbox with a matching kindergarden ... |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
230
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Posted - 2012.05.04 00:04:00 -
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Nephilius wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:It is not worth it, at the moment we got a whole BoB situation going on again except this time it is worse, they are called goons and pets.
You should check back in next year to see if CCP kept any promises and dealt with their corruption. I don't have a problem with goons, per se...I have a problem with the total lack of a counter-balance and the fact that nulsec entities can't seem to mind their own affairs. But I digress.... I don't necessarily recommend returning, and I will tell you why. It has nothing to do with the madness that is currently going on, or the fact that it is continuing with no signs of stopping. I say do not return because Nothing is special anymore, and the ocean has become shallow to the point of being a kiddie pool.Caps are commonplace, there is no great war, no great depression. Great forum missives have gone the way of the dodo, replaced by "Umad bro" and posts about goon scams and how the hisec player does nothing but dive into vaults filled with pools of isk. Nulsec players are coming to hisec because they are bored and need to kick some kindergarteners around. They've neutered themselves to the point that they won't fight each other lest they disrupt their isk-printing machines. Meanwhile, hisec has become a hive of scum and villainy, more dangerous than all but the front lines of nulsec fights and losec pirate dens. Big brother has decided what is best for the common citizen, neverminding the fact that it isn't necessarily the best for the game. Or you could become a drone and join one of those big ol' nulsec corps...you might like that.
If you do decide to join a big nullsec corp/alliance I recommend joining goons because then you will have 10 minute respond timer on petitions (For the rest of eve it takes weeks and they are hiring GM's now...) and you got insiders at CCP.
You also get to do anything you want that would otherwise be against the rules for the rest of us.
But yeah, this guy is right, eve is not "special" anymore and I guess it has not been "special" for quite some time now. CCP says they are aware of this problem and many others but is now May and we are still waiting for actual change for the better. |
holy bejesus
MASSIVELY IRONIC CORPORATION
4
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Posted - 2012.05.04 00:40:00 -
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hey ***** (s)
you want to cry about your corp?
are you a man or are you a part of a group?
see, the thing that idiot utopist socialists don't get is that, yeah, humans are social animals, but only to the extent that it benefits the human individual....get it?
see the USSR....
hey, fool...you are on your ******* own...man up, or be a slave.... |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 00:58:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:It is not worth it, at the moment we got a whole BoB situation going on again except this time it is worse, they are called goons and pets.
You should check back in next year to see if CCP kept any promises and dealt with their corruption.
Tears, cry more please.
The only thing corrupted around here is our brain, its farting all over the place, please go to a doctor as soon as you can, It could be serious... |
Arc Typ
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.04 00:59:00 -
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I am not in the demographic you are looking for, but I just started playing and I am having a great time! |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:13:00 -
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Canteen Charlie wrote:Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass.
EvE is not the game for you then. This is the best part of the game. If you can't protect our assets, you don't deserve them. |
Eillara Hinorlin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:15:00 -
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Do you want to play a game where you choose your own destiny? If yes, then no, now is not the time to return to eve.
Do you want to play a game where the butterfly effect is in full force, and any person can leave a strong impression on the game? If yes, then now is not the time to return to eve.
Do you want to play a completely open sandbox game? If yes, then now is not the time to return to eve. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:21:00 -
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Eillara Hinorlin wrote:Do you want to play a game where you choose your own destiny? If yes, then no, now is not the time to return to eve.
Do you want to play a game where the butterfly effect is in full force, and any person can leave a strong impression on the game? If yes, then now is not the time to return to eve.
Do you want to play a completely open sandbox game? If yes, then now is not the time to return to eve.
Butthurt noob carebear created an alt, and and took a dump on the forum.
Next time you enter the EvE sandbox, put some vaseline. |
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Eillara Hinorlin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:26:00 -
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Next time I enter the sandbox, I expect there to be a sandbox to enter. Not a linear progression that goes against what EVE has always been about. |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:27:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Eillara Hinorlin wrote:Do you want to play a game where you choose your own destiny? If yes, then no, now is not the time to return to eve.
Do you want to play a game where the butterfly effect is in full force, and any person can leave a strong impression on the game? If yes, then now is not the time to return to eve.
Do you want to play a completely open sandbox game? If yes, then now is not the time to return to eve. Butthurt noob carebear created an alt, and and took a dump on the forum. Next time you enter the EvE sandbox, put some vaseline.
Ironic. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:32:00 -
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Eillara Hinorlin wrote:Next time I enter the sandbox, I expect there to be a sandbox to enter. Not a linear progression that goes against what EVE has always been about.
Linear progression?!?!?!? ...... you are either:
- sufering from some type of paranoid schizophrenia.
- playing the wrong game, are you sure you not playing with Orcs&Goblins? This is the EvE Online forums, double-check.
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
269
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:34:00 -
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Eillara Hinorlin wrote:Do you want to play a game where you choose your own destiny? If yes, then no, now is not the time to return to eve.
Do you want to play a game where the butterfly effect is in full force, and any person can leave a strong impression on the game? If yes, then now is not the time to return to eve.
Do you want to play a completely open sandbox game? If yes, then now is not the time to return to eve.
rofl
sorry about your incursion nerf, bro.
it's not a linear progression. if you want greater reward, then take greater risk.
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Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:35:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Eillara Hinorlin wrote:Next time I enter the sandbox, I expect there to be a sandbox to enter. Not a linear progression that goes against what EVE has always been about. Linear progression?!?!?!? ...... you are either:
- sufering from some type of paranoid schizophrenia.
- playing the wrong game, are you sure you not playing with Orcs&Goblins? This is the EvE Online forums, double-check.
Start in high-sec, check.
Move to low-sec after awhile, check.
move and stay in 0.0, check.
If you don't?
RAWR WAAAAA CARE-BEARS DIE DIE DIE DIE
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
269
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:40:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:Start in high-sec, check.
Move to low-sec after awhile, check.
move and stay in 0.0, check.
If you don't?
RAWR WAAAAA CARE-BEARS DIE DIE DIE DIE
A farcical misrepresentation.
Go wherever you please, just don't to expect to receive similar rewards for taking less risk.
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Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
232
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:43:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:Start in high-sec, check.
Move to low-sec after awhile, check.
move and stay in 0.0, check.
If you don't?
RAWR WAAAAA CARE-BEARS DIE DIE DIE DIE A farcical misrepresentation. Go wherever you please, just don't to expect to receive similar rewards for taking less risk.
So the reward is so **** yet all I hear 24/7 are BoB... Goons cry, ***** and moan while CCP are changing the game. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
269
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:46:00 -
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Fannie Maes wrote:So the reward is so **** yet all I hear 24/7 are BoB... Goons cry, ***** and moan while CCP are changing the game.
that's not even a sentence.
hi5s |
Eillara Hinorlin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:47:00 -
[39] - Quote
Quote:Go wherever you please, just don't to expect to receive similar rewards for taking less risk.
A farcical misrepresentation. There is a difference between receiving similar rewards for taking less risk, and having any and all rewards gained by a play-style outside of what the powerful, and vocal, few prefer slowly and steadily taken away.
It is amusing to note the speed at which responses to me jumped to "must be a high-sec carebear" despite me having given no indication as to what I actually do in-game. Almost as if the thought of a person not in a particular situation having an opinion as to what goes on there is a foreign concept to people. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
269
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:48:00 -
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Slippery slope fallacy.
Next. |
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Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
233
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:05:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Fannie Maes wrote:So the reward is so **** yet all I hear 24/7 are BoB... Goons cry, ***** and moan while CCP are changing the game. that's not even a sentence. hi5s
Nasty habit! |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
378
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:11:00 -
[42] - Quote
So the guy starts playing EVE, and immediately tries to run his own high-sec megacorp. When that quickly fails, he, barely a year old, derps up three carrier alts and tries to farm systems with delayed local. All the while training for supercapitals, which he objectively has no ability to support or defend.
I'm not one for telling people how they should play, but lol. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
212
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Posted - 2012.05.04 02:11:00 -
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holy bejesus wrote:hey ***** (s)
you want to cry about your corp?
are you a man or are you a part of a group?
see, the thing that idiot utopist socialists don't get is that, yeah, humans are social animals, but only to the extent that it benefits the human individual....get it?
see the USSR....
hey, fool...you are on your ******* own...man up, or be a slave....
Unfortunately, this appears to be the current quality of Eve player. Truly saddens me.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Acheron Cyc
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 03:39:00 -
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I think its worth it. At least I just resubbed for the oportunity to see 4chanSwarm fall and say "I was there!". Kinda like the CCP video. |
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
13
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Posted - 2012.05.04 04:26:00 -
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Stay out of the big cities young man and you'll do fine. |
Hroya
40
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:05:00 -
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Yes now is the time to rejoin eve. Currently promises of CSM 6 are being kept. They are moving industry to null sec. Or was it moving it into the hands of null sec ? Oh well, reading comprehansion and all.
Rest assured though that if you want to take revenge on the assault, it's going to be made a whooole lot easier to retalliate on big corporation/alliances when they are in, or come to, high sec.
Your wormhole, if you have one, will be up for a renewal aswell as some day you might find a super titan sticking it's butt halfway into your hole. It's going to be one violation petition after another. Well that is one of the idea's of the current csm.
But in the end of the day, everything is just the same as it has been since the start of eve. Everyone wants to win, nobody wants to lose. Everyone wants to get and no one wants to give. Everything has to change to benefit one side, no side is willing to give up something in return.
So the packages change, but the content stays the same. It's eve as it's allways has been, so yeah rejoin at any time you feel like it. The game is still worth it. You go your corridor but. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:33:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Eve is pretty much the worst game out there and gets worse with every day that passes by. For every member your corp gets there are 10 half dozen member gangs who will wardec to harass you. Nowadays it's not just those guys but also the Goons killing every single mining ship out there, and breaking trade hubs left and right. Eve is only going to get worse from what I see, between the wardec revamp, Drake nerf, bot bans, drone nerf, and generally CCP being the most horrible game company.
Eve is in fact so terrible that in order to have fun you have to bend your own mind and create something that's fun. If you want to take another swing at that, go ahead and come back to Eve. If not, then no, Eve has not gotten any more fun.
..and I thought I was negative. Not about EVE maybe, but this deffinitely trumps any negative posting I've done lately.
What's up Petrus; I thought you liked EVE?
@Canteen Charlie: Welcome back. I remember you and your gang from before you left. There is some cool stuff coming up with Inferno, though the players themselves haven't changed so much a shifted around a bit with a few losses here and there, though I'm not sure that's a bad thing in all cases.
Hopefully the WarDec revamp will have all the exploits ironed out before it is on TQ, and it will make it all that much more interesting to be a CEO of a player corp in EVE. Aside from that, you could always try joining one of the Null Alliances and seeing what fun and adventure you can have out there.
Cheers Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
16
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:00:00 -
[48] - Quote
Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so?
Yes. EVE is awesome now. |
Disdaine
259
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:09:00 -
[49] - Quote
Who wouldn't want to share a game with the wonderful people in this thread?
Come for the game, stay for the community. |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:23:00 -
[50] - Quote
Truth to be told, EVE is slowly on its way out. CCP has moved a lot of resources to its two new games and EVE is essentially a legacy product or soon to be. Now, Dust might not be the kind of game you'd like, but Vampire is going to be very awesome from the looks of it.
Make your own decision. I like EVE, personally. But it's far from perfect. |
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:26:00 -
[51] - Quote
Plekto wrote:Truth to be told, EVE is slowly on its way out. CCP has moved a lot of resources to its two new games and EVE is essentially a legacy product or soon to be. Now, Dust might not be the kind of game you'd like, but Vampire is going to be very awesome from the looks of it.
Make your own decision. I like EVE, personally. But it's far from perfect.
It's posts like these that really make me wonder if people are paying attention. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:46:00 -
[52] - Quote
Eve hasn't changed, its the player attitude that has changed.
But yes I would rejoin, I took six months out myself and just log in to skill every 2-4 week's. On my main not this toon , I just use this for forum's.
There are plenty of alliance's that would take a super cap toon. And if you want to restart your corp get an agreement with an alliance ( not goons, there the scumbags of new eden) and get people back into your corp. Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
379
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:49:00 -
[53] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:And if you want to restart your corp get an agreement with an alliance ( not goons, there the scumbags of new eden) and get people back into your corp. Really? Because while I'm unaffiliated with them and am sure that my well-being isn't their concern, I'm still quite positive that their existence did more good for the game than the existence of any carebear alliance in the past nine years. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:17:00 -
[54] - Quote
EVE is suffering from an excess of player-player griefing atm, with Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, and all. The forums are full of trolling and negative sentiment, and thread/post quality has gone down considerably with these recent events and excess inflation. Players are not logging in, and it seems to me that the current online players is roughly half what it was on average a month ago.
Frankly, I am often disappointed when I come to the forums these days for lack of better reading material. As if I don't have enough negative crap in my own life, I have to pop in here and see more of the same. The griefing is killing EVE, and all we can be thankful for is that it is only temporary, or so we can hope. Inferno might change that.
Ultimately, it is up to the playerbase.
There are some good posts and threads, but really not much, and it is a bit disheartening to see that players are so unwilling to deal with the restrictions placed on them by activities such as Hulkageddon and keep on playing regardless.
Too much negative crap; I hope we're done with it in a short month and things get back to normal.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate events like Hulkageddon, but find it hard to reconcile their benefit with the obvious ill effect on a large portion of the playerbase.
EVE is not dying, (or at least it shouldn't be), and the Devs are certainly not redirecting the majority of their efforts elsewhere. World of Darkness is barely more than its original conception of a pen and paper entity, for which I am almost glad as I think the whole idea is ill-conceived for reasons I'll elaborate on a bit later.
Dust is part of EVE and well on its way to full release status and integration with EVE. It is looking to be a very nice addition to CCPs portfolio and I hope it makes the full transition into EVE soon. That should spice things up quite a bit despite all the negative inferences to the contrary. It adds a lot to EVE as a game and fleshes out the history and background of the EVE universe in a very good way.
Incarna is in a lull as required by a vocla percentage of the playerbase but it is still being worked on, and is very much a required part of fully integrating EVE and Dust, as well as fleshing out the EVE universe and adding depth and character to gameplay, provided it's allowed. Even without player concent, it will likely eventually be integrated properly and part of the EVE experience. It just might take a few more years.
Ships are finally being updated, with missile launchers and effects finally looming on the horizon and more graphical eye candy for everybody. EVE is moving forward, keeping pace, and even exceeding expectations in many ways. There still isn't a game to rival it in what it offers, no matter the playstyle of the person experiencing it.
The sandbox, though a required and important part of the EVE universe, is the only thing standing in the way. It doesn't mean we have to remove the sandbox for EVE to truly shine, but players have to recognize the value in diversity and see that a sandbox is much more than a singularly focused arena for just there own personal entertainment.
Bullys, hogs, and selfish children will be what they are though, and really there is no way to change their way of interacting with others in any significant fashion, so others have to adapt to the existence of these individuals and find ways to make their efforts ineffective or less effective, and play the game in their own way.
EVE is not just a PvP arena, and it is certainly not simply a market or mining simulation. The sooner people understand this the better. EVE is all these things, and not just about any one of them. It doesn't matter what changes the Devs introduce or what other players think; it is up to the individual player to decide how to deal with all these elements and play the game his or her own way despite them.
EVE is a world if you will, containing all the diversity that you would expect of such an environment though in decidedly less detail than you would find in a real world. There are barriers to break down, obstacles to overcome, and opportunities to take advantage of no matter your profession; it is up to you to find a way to do this that is rewarding to you. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
379
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:25:00 -
[55] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:The griefing is killing EVE If you witness acts of griefing, you should report them to the GMs via the petition system so that the griefers are properly punished. I would really hate it if griefers killed my pvp-centric spaceship MMO that I've devoted many years of my life to. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
879
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:29:00 -
[56] - Quote
As long as you don't care about the game, you will enjoy the game.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Lady Vamp
Ntak Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:36:00 -
[57] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:Greetings capsuleer,
It saddens me to hear you have allowed your pilot license to lapse. Whilst this section of New Eden is filled with propoganda, rhetoric and capsuleers that have had their fundamental orifices enlarged by Ammarian probes to the point of pain I would recommend you try it for yourself.
No other pilot can explain the joy they experience at taming the vast void between the stars. It is something you need to experience and try for yourself; to see if you would like to reactivate your license.
Simply re-active it for a month and have a look.
Regards,
Shian Yang
As long you don't need a petition it will be OK, only goons get their fixed.
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:42:00 -
[58] - Quote
Regarding World of Darkness:
It's not all that important, but I never had a great appreciation for these games on pen and paper or in play-acting them in the outdoors or anything like. By the time I'd heard of them and took the time to learn how they were played and what they were about, I had already passed the point where they might have proved interesting to me, if there ever was such a point.
The idea of the whole Vampires: The Masquerade or Werewolf: The Apocalypse setting and general gameplay, including that where the two faced off against each other just didn't interest me.
I played a Vampire in D&D once for a short while and it was interesting as a power subset while including some unusual innate abilities that could be used for various purposes, but this was the extent of my interest, and I chose a Daywalker, (Nosferatu in D&D at the time I think), which didn't suffer many of the standard penalties while also being free from domination by other Vampires and with no requirement to be Evil. He was Neutral Good and that is how I played him, as a Hero.
I don't really roleplay, and only ever entertained roleplaying as a gamemaster here and there for the sake of enhanced gameplay for the players. I did well enough and had some interesting characters, but the whole thing was rather odd to me and even a little disturbing. I don't really like not being myself and having others like it; particularly when the characters are more appealing to them than I myself am as an individual, so I stopped.
I suppose if those characters had been more myself I wouldn't have been bothered by it, though they weren't entirely opposing me, they were sometimes dumb or bizarre characters with very quirky behaviours.
A Neutral Good Orc guide I had named Aketon comes to mind. He was essentially a plot device to direct players on the path to adventure, help them along the way, and even keep them alive if necessary. He was a Fighter/Monk and had some rather unique abilities which included flinging gold coins at patrons of the bar that got unruly and embedding them in tabletops or severely denting armor with them.
He was the owner of a bar in a location that I developed and built up through the process of the game, and a fairly essential character to the story. There was of course a nasty Red Dragon involved, frightened townsfolk, and a great many other alternative tales that were easily introduced as need to fill things out and keep players interested while also distracting them from the true purpose of the adventure.
The general idea of those side adventures and events was of course to keep them from flagging as they faced the very real threat of having to face the Red Dragon. It was an Ancient Dragon of course, so this made things very interesting. She was mischievious and slightly evil, while being not quite bent on total destruction. Mostly she just liked to threaten, scare, and collect rewards from the Townsfolk. Rewards for her; ransoms for them.
Facing a Ancient Red Dragon is very discouraging for new players and old alike, so things took a bit of time before they finally had the courage to go about facing this thing. It was dangerous, and they had fun, and I of course provided them with some means to defeat the Dragon in her lair though I've forgotten exactly what it was.
It was quite a trip up there and there were plenty of adversaries on the way for she had a lot of minions and there were dangerous things about. Eventually however, the players reached the fortress, (or lair if you will), and the real work of defeating the dragon began.
Now I can't recall what happened in detail, but suffice to say that the Red Dragon was defeated and the players won the day and collected what is truly an immense amount of wealth by any standards in such a game. Unfortunately, the defeat of the Dragon required the sacrifice of the Aketon character to ensure the survival and victory of the players. I was getting tired of playing him at that point anyway as he was a very dynamic, positive character and it was a bit of a strain.
People cried. They were upset and felt they had lost something and I had let them down. My girlfriend cried and was upset with me for a week at least. I couldn't believe it, but in a way, (once I'd gotten over the shock of my girlfriends hysterics), I was still relieved. I handed over the job of gamemaster to someone else after that and felt quite relieved to just sit back and watch.
World of Darkness doesn't have any of this of course. It is just about running around being a Vampire or a Werewolf and lacks any real substance. It is a theme and relies entirely on the players to make something of it. This is where it ends.
I may check it out when it is finally done and see what CCP does with it, but that is about it. I can't imagine there is anything about it that will truly draw my interest. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:50:00 -
[59] - Quote
If all these pathetic haters and whiners would really be consequent and leave EVE the game would be fixed. CCP is doing good. They gave us the best MMORPG out there. That's a fact. The game's complexity makes it hard for CCP to satisfy every players pov on this game because there are many ways to play it different. If Goons burn Jita I simply ignore it. Do Goons affect my gameplay? No. I read mostly cheap excuses why people can't play the game or hate the game. It's always the fault of other players, griefers, bugs, CCP. Easy solution: leave the game behind and play something you can enjoy. Really easy. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
644
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:52:00 -
[60] - Quote
If you find a good crew to work with. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
169
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:09:00 -
[61] - Quote
Destiny Corrupted wrote:Mars Theran wrote:The griefing is killing EVE If you witness acts of griefing, you should report them to the GMs via the petition system so that the griefers are properly punished. I would really hate it if griefers killed my pvp-centric spaceship MMO that I've devoted many years of my life to.
I'm not referring to griefing in the sense of targeting a specific individual, but more directly to the general sort of griefing that Hulkageddon and Burn Jita consist of. It's still griefing, (what else would you call it?), but it's not against the EULA or ToS. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
TWHC Assistant
49
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:12:00 -
[62] - Quote
Misunderstood Genius wrote:If all these pathetic haters and whiners would really be consequent and leave EVE the game would be fixed. Your stupidity is showing. You hate others just the same. And those who you hate affect your game in no way unless you let them, which makes you the whiner. |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:26:00 -
[63] - Quote
TWHC Assistant wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:If all these pathetic haters and whiners would really be consequent and leave EVE the game would be fixed. Your stupidity is showing. You hate others just the same. And those who you hate affect your game in no way unless you let them, which makes you the whiner.
Meh
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
380
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:29:00 -
[64] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Mars Theran wrote:The griefing is killing EVE If you witness acts of griefing, you should report them to the GMs via the petition system so that the griefers are properly punished. I would really hate it if griefers killed my pvp-centric spaceship MMO that I've devoted many years of my life to. I'm not referring to griefing in the sense of targeting a specific individual, but more directly to the general sort of griefing that Hulkageddon and Burn Jita consist of. It's still griefing, (what else would you call it?), but it's not against the EULA or ToS. Well CCP defines griefing as persecution. Are you saying that your definition of griefing in relation to EVE is more accurate than CCP's definition of griefing? |
Biff Rodgers
Null Sec Enterprises Fade 2 Black
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:20:00 -
[65] - Quote
I'm not sure if I can add anything not already added but, it is essentially a player based game "nothing new there" meaning it is dependant on players making it fun for them selves "sand box". So with that in mind CCP have tried to find a ballance between PVE and PVP. Again nothing new there either. In my meager 4 years on here, there is more room for improvement on things like wardec mechanics, it's easy for a corp to keep a wardec open on another corp or alliance. This seems to have been a big enough gripe to get CSM involved. There has been other issues like with staticmapper where jump counts in WH has been removed, (I hope they remove NPC kill counts too.) There has been a recent patch to plug a loophole where a pilot can aggress in Hi sec and avoid concord once a aggression counter has started....
CCP is working in improving the game play of EVE, It's a continual work in progress, I just which they spend more time on working on the game play rather than on pew pew. Game play makes more long term enjoyment than pretty fairy lights.
Biff |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
644
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:23:00 -
[66] - Quote
Solo and small gang PvP is in great state, try lowsec and WHs. There are lots of guys and small groups simply doing what they love, which is good fights.
Dunno if anything else really matters.
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
851
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:40:00 -
[67] - Quote
Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so?
I came back a year ago (holy crap) and have been enjoying it immensely. First time I've ever made it past ~3 months in a row and have hit 12 this time. They're making some changes to stop the random wardec harassment and make corporation wars more meaningful, we'll see how that goes.
I would have suggested you try Incursions if you were looking for good PVE content (I presume so since you did Wormholes) but they were nerfed into utter oblivion recently and are no longer worth bothering with other than a curiosity. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
179
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:47:00 -
[68] - Quote
Dennmoth Ferdier wrote:All wormholes are occupied. The goons, the russians and soon to be japanese empire cartel everything. Major alliances are deciding where you can do your shopping and where you can't, mining has been deemed bad and punishable by aggression, and the trolls have multiplied by a factor of 1000.
Do not return.
The above +100. CCP feeds the trolls & eventually 'fixes' everything into extinction everything that you like about the game. Game testing is done by a bunch of monkies throwing poo on the wall & the DEV's code by sense of smell Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
179
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:49:00 -
[69] - Quote
Xython wrote:Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so? I came back a year ago (holy crap) and have been enjoying it immensely. First time I've ever made it past ~3 months in a row and have hit 12 this time. They're making some changes to stop the random wardec harassment and make corporation wars more meaningful, we'll see how that goes. I would have suggested you try Incursions if you were looking for good PVE content (I presume so since you did Wormholes) but they were nerfed into utter oblivion recently and are no longer worth bothering with other than a curiosity.
I too enjoyed Incursions immensely until the patch & am seriously considering unsubbing after CCP 'fixed' it just like I quit Eve for 6 months after theIncarna fiasco Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
89
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:55:00 -
[70] - Quote
Morganta wrote:its never worth returning to eve
it is however a good idea
This. |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
645
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:56:00 -
[71] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Dennmoth Ferdier wrote:All wormholes are occupied. The goons, the russians and soon to be japanese empire cartel everything. Major alliances are deciding where you can do your shopping and where you can't, mining has been deemed bad and punishable by aggression, and the trolls have multiplied by a factor of 1000.
Do not return. The above +100. CCP feeds the trolls & eventually 'fixes' everything into extinction everything that you like about the game. Game testing is done by a bunch of monkies throwing poo on the wall & the DEV's code by sense of smell
If you weren't so batshit stupid, you'd realize you got trolled.
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Holy One
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
198
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:01:00 -
[72] - Quote
Phrank Phish wrote:No.
Saying that, I cant put my finger on exactly what is missing.
About 20, 000 people.
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Gerald Taric
Adamantium Industry
50
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:31:00 -
[73] - Quote
Dennmoth Ferdier wrote:All wormholes are occupied.
:-)
I'm not sure about *that*. A few months ago i was able to get via an C1 WH to another (i think it was a C2) WH, which was very huge and had one abandoned POS in it. The reason was discovered very fast: As far as i can remember it has a "permanent" exit to LowSec. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
645
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:33:00 -
[74] - Quote
There are plenty of empty WH's. Also, lowsec static, best static <3 ~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Heimdallofasgard
T.O.R.
158
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:08:00 -
[75] - Quote
Allow me to convolute a metaphor.
Sandboxes are funny things, the eve sand box in particular, you have the kids around the edges with water and spades building sand castles under their mums watchful gauge.
Then as you get to the middle you have the toddler who's just digging a massive hole, outdoing everyone, kicking and thrashing throwing sand everywhere and making everyone else paranoid he's gonna knock over their lovely little pubbie sandcastles.
That kid is awesome, hilarious to watch and comedy no matter what he does, and by the end of it when everyone's gone home, the dust settles, all the sandcastles have blown over and there's a f***ing great big hole in the middle of the sandpit as testament to how crazy that kid was.
So yes... Re-Join eve, be a passive observer, get involved in the player run events, join a massive null-sec bloc and conribute to a great community and massive fleet battles not found anywhere else online, stay in high sec and persue individual success go into wormholes for adrenaline rushes. go to low-sec for casual pvp stuff and pirating.
Know the risks and limits of the game, and enjoy yourself within it. You will loose things.
Remember, Confucius say: "Even a sandbox has walls"
Edit: The toddler in the middle is null sec btw. Kick Heim. |
Harland White
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:16:00 -
[76] - Quote
Well, Goons essentially control CCP, since several folks at CCP are confirmed goons. It's not a good thing for anyone that dislikes the goon mentality, because they're making small changes here and there to shift the game to what the goons want it to be. That will continue to happen until EVE is basically "that 273rd game that got wrecked by goons". Right now it's not so bad, but if CCP continues what it's doing and planning, it'll be time to abandon ship eventually. |
Lemming Alpha1dash1
Lemmings Online
6
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:18:00 -
[77] - Quote
lastest patch note:
GùªRecent changes to fleet- and corp member access to hangars and ship maintenance bays in capital ships (and Orca's) have been reverted. Happy fleet mining :)
CCP's high horse does get riden sometimes, no denying that, but it seems they are willing to listen since the riots, so come on back |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
645
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:32:00 -
[78] - Quote
Harland White wrote:Well, Goons essentially control CCP, since several folks at CCP are confirmed goons. It's not a good thing for anyone that dislikes the goon mentality, because they're making small changes here and there to shift the game to what the goons want it to be. That will continue to happen until EVE is basically "that 273rd game that got wrecked by goons". Right now it's not so bad, but if CCP continues what it's doing and planning, it'll be time to abandon ship eventually.
Goons also control the EU, World Bank and China, mere puppets of an internet forum community of random strangers.
~ Elite forum PvP ~ |
Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring Veto Corp
260
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:24:00 -
[79] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Eve is pretty much the worst game out there and gets worse with every day that passes by. For every member your corp gets there are 10 half dozen member gangs who will wardec to harass you. Nowadays it's not just those guys but also the Goons killing every single mining ship out there, and breaking trade hubs left and right. Eve is only going to get worse from what I see, between the wardec revamp, Drake nerf, bot bans, drone nerf, and generally CCP being the most horrible game company.
Eve is in fact so terrible that in order to have fun you have to bend your own mind and create something that's fun. If you want to take another swing at that, go ahead and come back to Eve. If not, then no, Eve has not gotten any more fun.
All other idiocy in this post aside... the drake is not getting a nerf. The proposed changes are a HUGE buff. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
851
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:54:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Xython wrote:Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so? I came back a year ago (holy crap) and have been enjoying it immensely. First time I've ever made it past ~3 months in a row and have hit 12 this time. They're making some changes to stop the random wardec harassment and make corporation wars more meaningful, we'll see how that goes. I would have suggested you try Incursions if you were looking for good PVE content (I presume so since you did Wormholes) but they were nerfed into utter oblivion recently and are no longer worth bothering with other than a curiosity. I too enjoyed Incursions immensely until the patch & am seriously considering unsubbing after CCP 'fixed' it just like I quit Eve for 6 months after theIncarna fiasco
I wouldn't do that, as if you're unsubbed you literally do not count as a character (I'd say person but that's too sensationalist) to CCP's calculations about pre and post Incursion running.
Instead, just give constructive feedback in their thread about Incursions, and hopefully they'll implement the change that was actually tested on the test server, rather than the random nerf suplex we got on live. |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:07:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Eve is pretty much the worst game out there and gets worse with every day that passes by. For every member your corp gets there are 10 half dozen member gangs who will wardec to harass you. Nowadays it's not just those guys but also the Goons killing every single mining ship out there, and breaking trade hubs left and right. Eve is only going to get worse from what I see, between the wardec revamp, Drake nerf, bot bans, drone nerf, and generally CCP being the most horrible game company.
Eve is in fact so terrible that in order to have fun you have to bend your own mind and create something that's fun. If you want to take another swing at that, go ahead and come back to Eve. If not, then no, Eve has not gotten any more fun. All other idiocy in this post aside... the drake is not getting a nerf. The proposed changes are a HUGE buff. The forums really need formatting for sarcasm. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
549
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:11:00 -
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i say go for it and be low profile.. everyone is derping about goons killing hulks during hulkageddon *eye roll* and the kill a few ships in jita avent that happened a few days ago *eye roll again*
i'm not saying goons are not powerful, just that people are going nuts about it.
find something u like join a corp doing that something play the game. this is how its been for a long long time now.
if you want quick pvp join red vs blue. |
Plekto
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.04 16:46:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:-------
Regarding World of Darkness:
The game is NOT D&D. It has a massive base of fans, and White Wolf is second in market size only to WotC( who owns D&D). D&D is about being the hero. Vampire is about basically being as evil and corrupt as you can get away with. Dark, grim, and back-stabbing psychopaths set in a world with a myriad of politics and dark agendas at every corner. There's a whole segment of gamers that eat that stuff up like crack.
Dust is looking to be Planetside 2.5, essentially - (poor Sony - heh). Awesome stuff. CCP *is* devoting massive amount of people and money into both games. As it should, since those are their next two money-makers.
Now, EVE isn't dying. It's just probably going to be left alone and let to run as-is with some updates every so often. Not that that's a bad thing. Just don't expect a massive change in the gaming experience. If you left once, you'll almost certainly leave again as the core problems that drove you away in the first place are still here. |
Acheron Cyc
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:48:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:EVE is suffering from an excess of player-player griefing atm, with Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, and all. The forums are full of trolling and negative sentiment, and thread/post quality has gone down considerably with these recent events and excess inflation. Players are not logging in, and it seems to me that the current online players is roughly half what it was on average a month ago.
Don't worry. 4chanSwarm are not the first to try to break the game for others nor they will be the las,t and just like the alliances and corps that came before them, they too will eventually fade. Such is the cycle of things in EvE.
Most people probably don't remember m0o by now other than as a eve-history entry, and they achieved far more when it came to game mechanics changes and getting the devs involved than the BtardFleet ever did and probably ever will.
tl;dr: Deal with it. They'll eventually fall just to be replaced for something else. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1339
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Posted - 2012.05.04 19:11:00 -
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Acheron Cyc wrote:
Don't worry. 4chanSwarm are not the first to try to break the game for others nor they will be the las,t and just like the alliances and corps that came before them, they too will eventually fade. Such is the cycle of things in EvE.
Most people probably don't remember m0o by now other than as a eve-history entry, and they achieved far more when it came to game mechanics changes and getting the devs involved than the BtardFleet ever did and probably ever will.
tl;dr: Deal with it. They'll eventually fall just to be replaced for something else.
Herp a derp. Goonswarm is not related to 4chan. This might help:
Goonswarm: SomethingAwful TEST: Reddit Elite Space Guild: 4Chan
Also, its pretty damn easy to force mechanics changes when a game is young, full of bugs, poorly though out from a practical perspective and in dire need of proper testing and fixing. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Acheron Cyc
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:27:00 -
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And the difference again is...?.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:48:00 -
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Plekto wrote:Mars Theran wrote:-------
Regarding World of Darkness:
The game is NOT D&D. It has a massive base of fans, and White Wolf is second in market size only to WotC( who owns D&D). D&D is about being the hero. Vampire is about basically being as evil and corrupt as you can get away with. Dark, grim, and back-stabbing psychopaths set in a world with a myriad of politics and dark agendas at every corner. There's a whole segment of gamers that eat that stuff up like crack.
The segment of gamers that lap up that type of thing are mostly playing Eve, CCP and White Wolf certainly know their market in that respect.
@ the OP, come back for a month or so, if you don't like where the game is headed unsub for a while, a lot did that after CCP derped with WiS, they soon got back on track and went back to working on Internet Spaceships.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Pres Crendraven
15
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:09:00 -
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CCP is geerally embracing their Goon leadership. They are enthralled over their antics Like Homos swooning over Ponies and Rainbows pouring glittery stars across the sky. I been hangin in the last 6 months letting one account after another burn off. Its not quite time to return yet IMO. The wardec system is still to fail to build a corp unless its pvp based. Now if you want to build a PVP corp, the game is always in need of good corp leaders and FC's. Are you ready to play 8 to 15 hours a day? Thats your competition. Meta34me
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
278
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:11:00 -
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Pres Crendraven wrote:Are you ready to play 8 to 15 hours a day? Thats your competition.
hahaha
I love all the excuses people imagine for why they're so terrible at eve
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Danius Kura
Man Evolved
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 21:46:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Mars Theran wrote:The griefing is killing EVE If you witness acts of griefing, you should report them to the GMs via the petition system so that the griefers are properly punished. I would really hate it if griefers killed my pvp-centric spaceship MMO that I've devoted many years of my life to.
In my experience, CCP doesn't really do much about what most people would consider griefing--suicide ganking, mission ganking, ninja salvaging, ISK and contract scamming, etc. One GM just told me, flat out: "They are allowed to lose their ships however they see fit."
He's right, of course, and it doesn't break the game for me, at least--but it also doesn't make me want to play more than I already do, and it certainly doesn't make me want to recommend it to my RL friends. |
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Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
226
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Posted - 2012.05.04 22:19:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:Allow me to convolute a metaphor.
Sandboxes are funny things, the eve sand box in particular, you have the kids around the edges with water and spades building sand castles under their mums watchful gauge.
Then as you get to the middle you have the toddler who's just digging a massive hole, outdoing everyone, kicking and thrashing throwing sand everywhere and making everyone else paranoid he's gonna knock over their lovely little pubbie sandcastles.
That kid is awesome, hilarious to watch and comedy no matter what he does, and by the end of it when everyone's gone home, the dust settles, all the sandcastles have blown over and there's a f***ing great big hole in the middle of the sandpit as testament to how crazy that kid was.
*snip*
Edit: The toddler in the middle is null sec btw.
If we could only get rid of him, just imagine what we could build. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
126
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Posted - 2012.05.04 22:21:00 -
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Canteen Charlie wrote:So played Eve pretty hard for a couple of years from right before Apocropha came out and was in love with the game but my enjoyment diminished with each less enjoyable update after it. Got tired of spending tons of hours building up a corp to over 100 players to have it be riddled with pointless wardecs from small half a dozen member gangs seeking just to disrupt or harass. But was enjoying wormhole life with my three carrier pilots and had a supercarrier alt completed. But it's been about 7 months now since I've played and I'm curious to hear if people think the game has gotten more enjoyable again and if its worth coming back or should i give it another six months or so?
Certain parts of the game can still be fun, as long as you don't take it too seriously.
Supercaps are seriously broken unless you join one of the major Alliances. But we have shiny new missle grfx coming!@!! Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Pres Crendraven
15
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:09:00 -
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Darth Tickles wrote:Pres Crendraven wrote:Are you ready to play 8 to 15 hours a day? Thats your competition. hahaha I love all the excuses people imagine for why they're so terrible at eve
Quit griefing me. Meta34me
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
288
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:20:00 -
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Pres Crendraven wrote:Quit griefing me.
rofl, sorry bro
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Pres Crendraven
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:29:00 -
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NP Meta34me
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Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:30:00 -
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Holy One wrote:Phrank Phish wrote:No.
Saying that, I cant put my finger on exactly what is missing. About 20, 000 people.
Yet in another thread the claim was that CCP was up to 400,000 subscriptions in 2012, which was an increase over the 350,000 subs in 2010, if I remember correctly? I guess I need to find a chart from CCP, though. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
214
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:56:00 -
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Most of the thread whining and crying about trying to force people to play "their way" comes from the bloated null-bear alliances. They have no reason to fight in null, it's too rediculas so they are confined to come play in HiSec and then cry that it's not null.
Fix null (jump bridges, sov mechanics and proliferation of supers and they will fight again) and you fix Eve
Nothing clever at this time. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
174
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:02:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Mars Theran wrote:The griefing is killing EVE If you witness acts of griefing, you should report them to the GMs via the petition system so that the griefers are properly punished. I would really hate it if griefers killed my pvp-centric spaceship MMO that I've devoted many years of my life to. I'm not referring to griefing in the sense of targeting a specific individual, but more directly to the general sort of griefing that Hulkageddon and Burn Jita consist of. It's still griefing, (what else would you call it?), but it's not against the EULA or ToS. Well CCP defines griefing as persecution. Are you saying that your definition of griefing in relation to EVE is more accurate than CCP's definition of griefing?
I'm not arguing semantics with you. CCP is required to define griefing with relation to what is a punishable offense and what is an accepted game tactic or style of play within their EULA/ToS. Every game is different with regards to where they draw the line regarding this, but it rarely has anything to do with what griefing is actually defined as.
It is more a matter of acceptable levels and CCP draws the line right before meltdown. This is fine for the most part as long as players are aware of it going in. Sometimes it gets out of hand, and sometimes people get banned, but mostly it is fine. This is the rsult of griefing being a matter of perspective and "under these circumstances," or "with relation to this." It has nothing to do with what griefing actually is except as a matter of reference.
I'm sure griefing gained a mutable definition a long time ago in the gaming community, and what you or another thinks of it is likely to be entirely different. The fact remains, that it is a simple thing to define, and your only issue is stumbling over the word in your attempt to rationalize what you are doing as perfectly acceptable here and elsewhere. Somehow, calling it griefing is a problem because you associate that term as bad, yet you want to be bad, and you do it to be bad. In-game of course, for your amelioration.
Call it by whatever you want; it really doesn't matter. I know what it is and so do you and everyone else here. The level to which you carry it is obviously fine or you would likely have received a lifetime ban by now. At the very least, you've only overstepped the boundaries a few times and maybe suffered some temp bans.
The fact that you can carry it to far and overstep these boundaries is a very direct example of what it is you actually do. You can't not be griefing and carry it too far and get banned for griefing. Either you were or you weren't. If you weren't, how could you carry it too far and get banned for it? You would have been doing something else wouldn't you.
Here's the thing I don't get: Why dpo you think I'm stupid enough to not understand what I am saying or what you are doing? ..or why do you think you can convince me that I am misunderstanding the situation or the meaning of what I am saying or what it is you are doing and make me think otherwise?
I may adjust what I am willing to tolerate for your sake or for the sake of others, but that doesn't mean I don't know what you are doing. Even now I know what you are doing in this thread. I know what No More Heroes was doing yesterday in another thread, and I know what other people are doing in many other threads. I am not ignorant of these things. They are as obvious as things can be when fully seen, and you and others wouldn't do them if they couldn't be fully seen. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
175
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:27:00 -
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Plekto wrote:Mars Theran wrote:-------
Regarding World of Darkness:
The game is NOT D&D. It has a massive base of fans, and White Wolf is second in market size only to WotC( who owns D&D). D&D is about being the hero. Vampire is about basically being as evil and corrupt as you can get away with. Dark, grim, and back-stabbing psychopaths set in a world with a myriad of politics and dark agendas at every corner. There's a whole segment of gamers that eat that stuff up like crack. Dust is looking to be Planetside 2.5, essentially - (poor Sony - heh). Awesome stuff. CCP *is* devoting massive amount of people and money into both games. As it should, since those are their next two money-makers. Now, EVE isn't dying. It's just probably going to be left alone and let to run as-is with some updates every so often. Not that that's a bad thing. Just don't expect a massive change in the gaming experience. If you left once, you'll almost certainly leave again as the core problems that drove you away in the first place are still here.
What is it; you can't read English? I never said it was D&D. I compared it to that game and said quite plainly that it came up lacking. All WoD has is duality, and it's not even a presence of Light and Dark, it more a presence of dark and darker. Give me a break, it's just a two-sided fangs game which you could easily compare to Zombies on facebook.
You said EVE is dying; now you say it isn't. You say it is limited to minor updates when they are quite clearly working on massive upgrades and overhauls with ships being reskinned, and remodelled in some ceses, as well as being completely rebalanced from the bottom up in an ongoing process.
The game experience can't really change much, I'll give you that, but that is primarily because the game experience is often controlled by the players. What you have in game and how you can use it is going to change however, and that will change the dynamics of the game for everybody to some degree or another.
Updating the client and refactoring old systems or completely re-writing them is what will make the major difference however. Things like this will improve playability and allow EVE to continue to offer strong competition to up-and-comers who are still far behind in many respects.
As for core problems driving me away, that is only generally the players. I never had much problem with the game, though I've always felt it could use cleaning up and known there were a great many degraded systems. If those systems weren't refactored, fixed, rewritten, etc.. and certain other upgrades weren't made, chances are I'd eventually have left EVE behind in search of new and better with probably many of the same problems as people from here flooded to there.
The key here, is to hope that the core systems can be made more appealing to more players and playability can be enhanced to keep those players while drawing them in with newer graphics and features to make the game better. Components like Dust only add to this and make for a greater overall experience of the game. WoD does nothing for EVE, except maybe allow for the implementation of stuff here that crosses over to there. No big deal, either way it flows.
I'm not speaking against WoD either. I just don't have a personal interest in it and likely never will. Maybe they'll surprise me and the transition from costume fad to video game will make it more interesting. Actually, thats already happened, but only to a limited degree. I wouldn't even be thinnking about it, aside from the one time I enter a store that has it on the shelf in a ten year period otherwise.
Without new players, EVE will continue going, but a lack of growth will mean that even with new features and graphics gameplay and experience will stagnate. I don't really see that as being beneficial honestly. If you want a good example of an accelerated process of this, I encourage you to try Evony. Start in a new shard and see how long it takes for the same old thing to happen and gameplay in that shard to stagnate with one Alliance controlling everything, and newcomers either integrated or destroyed at will.
Eventually that server/shard will be abandoned in favor of another one, where players will get to enjoy the struggle again, until its eventual resolution that leaves one at the top controlling the server. Similar to EVE but not the same of course. EVE is certainly not so limited in scope of gameplay as that game, but the struggle is player based and essentially results in the same. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
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