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evos
Infinitas Audacia
Shadows Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:26:00 -
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Okay, so whine threads aside lets look at this factually.
I started playing back in beta and i must admit the server's where fine, the few patches we did have went off without a hitch. Now as the game grows the servers are offline more and more, the *daily 1 hour down time* that no other MMO in the world does, always leaks over in and hour and a half sumtimes even longer. To this point i ask myself as a software engineer why does ccp not question there employee's on this level of incompetence?
I mean, if i wrote say a database management scheme for our company and it broke everyday id have my ass fired quicker than i could blink.
In 6 years i have never seen an explansion go off without a hitch, always there is massive problems, huge problems even tho its been on the test server for months on end they still screw it up. So i ask you, is this the level of service we should put up with? The short answer is *no*. CCP is a company and we are paying customers, and we deserve a certain level of service, the reason CCP will not let esrb inspect them is because if they did they would shut them down. Around 9 months ago, i started write down how much time the server was offline, the node crashed etc and how that affected my playing time.
I calculated that including todays 15 min over haul, i have lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours playing time in constant screw ups by CCP.
Now i know the CCP fanbois will come back with *go play wow, we dont want u anyway* but that isnt really an insult as tbh msot of the wow population has better manners than the ever population by a long shot. Even if u refuse to admit its true.
So i ask you to thik on this and if u agree to agree n maybe CCP will start to realise that if they wish to expand, this type of server and inability to maintain the servers day and night, is not acceptable, in any way shape or form
Flame on but the majority of you, know im right, even fi you wont admit it.
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Captain Campion
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:28:00 -
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Factually:
- Downtime usually finishes in less than an hour.
- Databases have schemas, not schemes.
- Explansion is not a word.
- This is another whine thread.
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Vostor Kral
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:30:00 -
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 Originally by: evos
whine
gtfo
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Alastorr Frost
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: evos
Okay, so whine threads aside lets look at this factually.
I started playing back in beta and i must admit the server's where fine, the few patches we did have went off without a hitch. Now as the game grows the servers are offline more and more, the *daily 1 hour down time* that no other MMO in the world does, always leaks over in and hour and a half sumtimes even longer. To this point i ask myself as a software engineer why does ccp not question there employee's on this level of incompetence?
I mean, if i wrote say a database management scheme for our company and it broke everyday id have my ass fired quicker than i could blink.
In 6 years i have never seen an explansion go off without a hitch, always there is massive problems, huge problems even tho its been on the test server for months on end they still screw it up. So i ask you, is this the level of service we should put up with? The short answer is *no*. CCP is a company and we are paying customers, and we deserve a certain level of service, the reason CCP will not let esrb inspect them is because if they did they would shut them down. Around 9 months ago, i started write down how much time the server was offline, the node crashed etc and how that affected my playing time.
I calculated that including todays 15 min over haul, i have lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours playing time in constant screw ups by CCP.
Now i know the CCP fanbois will come back with *go play wow, we dont want u anyway* but that isnt really an insult as tbh msot of the wow population has better manners than the ever population by a long shot. Even if u refuse to admit its true.
So i ask you to thik on this and if u agree to agree n maybe CCP will start to realise that if they wish to expand, this type of server and inability to maintain the servers day and night, is not acceptable, in any way shape or form
Flame on but the majority of you, know im right, even fi you wont admit it.
Ca I have your Stuff, seeing as you are close to leaving :P
Regards,
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Asestorian
Neckbeards International
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:31:00 -
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This thread answers why there is downtime every day.
And the bugs are because CCP can't afford to have a TQ sized server to test on, and nowhere near the same number of people who are willing to properly test the game as there are players to encounter bugs on TQ. Game balance problems can't entirely be excused in this way, but at lot of lag problems and other bugs don't appear until they hit the live server, simply because of the size of TQ compared to their available testing servers.
To be honest I have never really cared, even when I was playing EVE non-stop.
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Destiny Balls
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ZinderX500
Caldari
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: evos
the *daily 1 hour down time* that no other MMO in the world does,
Seriously, how do you expect us to have manners in mind when we reply to your thread? Especially when your informations is faulty.
Example: WoW has weekly downtimes of ~12 hours.
And that's when the servers are normal. Extended downtimes are in the menu.
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Dark Soldat
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:37:00 -
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH !!!!
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Belmarduk
Amarr
M.A.R.S. Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:37:00 -
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@ OP
Ok constructive answer:
This is your first mmo ?
The only point I give you right is that certain things on test-server are still go live even though they were reported as bugs.
Otherwise comparing CCP/Eve with many other mmo¦s they are doing fine
Yes it could allways be better but the current level is fine for me.
Aslong as CCP keep to their "core-beliefs" (aka not change this into Wow in space)and keep there current standard I am ok with it.
Dont forget:
2 FREE expansions per year
Customer support on the wholeis not bad
FREE client
No extreme falloff from "core-belief"
You want a really bad mmo?
Try ANYTHING from Electronic Arts 
Greetings Belmarduk
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: evos
Okay, so whine threads aside lets look at this factually.
I started playing back in beta and i must admit the server's where fine, the few patches we did have went off without a hitch. Now as the game grows the servers are offline more and more, the *daily 1 hour down time* that no other MMO in the world does, always leaks over in and hour and a half sumtimes even longer. To this point i ask myself as a software engineer why does ccp not question there employee's on this level of incompetence?
I mean, if i wrote say a database management scheme for our company and it broke everyday id have my ass fired quicker than i could blink.
In 6 years i have never seen an explansion go off without a hitch, always there is massive problems, huge problems even tho its been on the test server for months on end they still screw it up. So i ask you, is this the level of service we should put up with? The short answer is *no*. CCP is a company and we are paying customers, and we deserve a certain level of service, the reason CCP will not let esrb inspect them is because if they did they would shut them down. Around 9 months ago, i started write down how much time the server was offline, the node crashed etc and how that affected my playing time.
I calculated that including todays 15 min over haul, i have lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours playing time in constant screw ups by CCP.
Now i know the CCP fanbois will come back with *go play wow, we dont want u anyway* but that isnt really an insult as tbh msot of the wow population has better manners than the ever population by a long shot. Even if u refuse to admit its true.
So i ask you to thik on this and if u agree to agree n maybe CCP will start to realise that if they wish to expand, this type of server and inability to maintain the servers day and night, is not acceptable, in any way shape or form
Flame on but the majority of you, know im right, even fi you wont admit it.
What about all the times when TQ has come up early?
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eFart
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:39:00 -
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they need beter database
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ZinderX500
Caldari
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: eFart
they need beter database
lmao i love you dude 
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: evos
Okay, so whine threads aside lets look at this factually.
Ok.
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the *daily 1 hour down time* that no other MMO in the world does,
Correct. Most other MMOs don't need to do their cleanup daily, but have to do it eventually and it will amount to more than one hour per day.
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always leaks over in and hour and a half
Incorrect.
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I mean, if i wrote say a database management scheme for our company and it broke everyday id have my ass fired quicker than i could blink.
…except, of course, that DT has nothing to do with the database "breaking".
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So i ask you, is this the level of service we should put up with? The short answer is *no*.
Actually, the answer is *yes* — you signed a contract to do so. If you don't agree with the terms, you're free to terminate the contract.
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the reason CCP will not let esrb inspect them
Ehhhmmm… yes, that's why they have an ESRB notice on the login screen. And of course, ESRB (who concern themselves will game content) are going to care about server uptime.
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I calculated that including todays 15 min over haul,
Funny that. I was in at 14.08 CEST…
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So i ask you to thik on this and if u agree to agree n maybe CCP will start to realise that if they wish to expand, this type of server and inability to maintain the servers day and night
Ehm… They do maintain the servers day and night, you know. DT is part of that maintenance.
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Flame on but the majority of you, know im right, even fi you wont admit it.
Then the majority is as wrong as you — knowingly or not. Try to get your facts straight, whiner.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 10/04/2009 12:51:05
Originally by: evos
Troll post
CCP must actually have done most things right. Because after 6 years this game is still growing, while other online games have within that time have grown and so died.
TBH I think you are nothing more than a simple troll.
Originally by: Dianabolic
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K'Daai
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:59:00 -
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WoW downtime is 8-12hours in one day every week. Eve has about 7-9hours a week downtime. So erm you failed basic math I'm guessing?
You also fail at posting anything constructive on the forum.
2/10 if you were trolling, at least get some math skills.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:05:00 -
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they must have done something right because he's here as a paying customer complaining about it over the 6 years
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Kieler
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:21:00 -
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"i have lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours playing time"
In terms of "playing time", that's about 4.4% of your time. This "fact" means EVE players pay 50 cents per day to play EVE, but actually only get 48 cents worth of playing time.
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Gebher'el
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: evos
I started playing back in beta and i must admit the server's where fine, the few patches we did have went off without a hitch. Now as the game grows the servers are offline more and more, the *daily 1 hour down time* that no other MMO in the world does, always leaks over in and hour and a half sumtimes even longer. To this point i ask myself as a software engineer why does ccp not question there employee's on this level of incompetence?
I mean, if i wrote say a database management scheme for our company and it broke everyday id have my ass fired quicker than i could blink.
In 6 years i have never seen an explansion go off without a hitch, always there is massive problems, huge problems even tho its been on the test server for months on end they still screw it up. So i ask you, is this the level of service we should put up with? The short answer is *no*. CCP is a company and we are paying customers, and we deserve a certain level of service, the reason CCP will not let esrb inspect them is because if they did they would shut them down. Around 9 months ago, i started write down how much time the server was offline, the node crashed etc and how that affected my playing time.
I calculated that including todays 15 min over haul, i have lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours playing time in constant screw ups by CCP.
I have been involved in computers for over 30 years and gaming that whole time. I have access to a VAST game library and can seriously say I see every major release. I can tell you that with all this access to other games the one I CHOOSE to play is EVE. It is not without it's flaws but it is head and shoulders above the other offerings out there. CCP is seriously one of the best development companies I have seen to date and the work they do has been solid.
To answer some of your points.
1) I am curious at just how small you think the database for EVE is? The thing is MASSIVE and deals with more changes in a DAY than most databases have to deal with in 6 months. An hour of down time each day is minor at best. The reason other MMOs do not have to do this is the multishard approach. They run wimpy servers compared to the size on complexity of the EVE shard. As someone that has done a lot of database programming I ask not why it has to go down each day but how the hell it does not have to go down more.
2) Your expansions without a hitch, man I wish people would get off of this. I have yet to see an expansion hit that does not work well for me within 24 hours of the release. This is pretty reasonable considering the fact it is FREE! Also have you messed with expansions in other MMOs? I have seen ALL of them have glitches right from the start.
3) No one is stopping the ESRB as I understand it. The reason there is no rating is because there cannot be an accurate one. The players make the content in MMOs. That means that while the game material itself might be PG, the chat in channels could and usually are be R or worse and the game has no control over that. In fairness NO MMO should be rated for this very reason.
4) Time lost, so in 6 years time (52560 hours) you have lost 1 week, 4 days and 22 hours; (286 hours) or less than 1% of total potential play time. OH MY GOD! How can we stand a game that has 99% play time available to us!!!! OH the AGONY!!!
I would say your post is a whine but it lacks enough reasonable arguements to be considered even that, what it is, is pathetic.
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Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:24:00 -
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You have lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours of play time in 6 years and you are complaining? You need to leave mmorpgs and play single player games. Back in the old days when Kunark released for EQ we lost weeks of play time in the couple months after that expansion.
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Jaina Proudmoar
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Perramas
You have lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours of play time in 6 years and you are complaining? You need to leave mmorpgs and play single player games. Back in the old days when Kunark released for EQ we lost weeks of play time in the couple months after that expansion.
Read the post, he has supposedly lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours in the last 90 days.
1 week, 4 days, 22 hours = 286 hours
90 days = 2160
286/2160 * 100 = 13% of playtime.
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Kieler
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar
Originally by: Perramas
You have lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours of play time in 6 years and you are complaining? You need to leave mmorpgs and play single player games. Back in the old days when Kunark released for EQ we lost weeks of play time in the couple months after that expansion.
Read the post, he has supposedly lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours in the last 90 days.
1 week, 4 days, 22 hours = 286 hours
90 days = 2160
286/2160 * 100 = 13% of playtime.
No, he said 9 months ago.
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Georgina Eldridge
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Georgina Eldridge on 10/04/2009 13:31:27
IT NOT RIGHT
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Jaina Proudmoar
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kieler
Originally by: Jaina Proudmoar
Originally by: Perramas
You have lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours of play time in 6 years and you are complaining? You need to leave mmorpgs and play single player games. Back in the old days when Kunark released for EQ we lost weeks of play time in the couple months after that expansion.
Read the post, he has supposedly lost 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours in the last 90 days.
1 week, 4 days, 22 hours = 286 hours
90 days = 2160
286/2160 * 100 = 13% of playtime.
No, he said 9 months ago.
God, I fail hard.
9 months = 9 * 30 * 24 hours = 6480 hours
286/6480 * 100 = 4.4%
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Shereza
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: evos
To this point i ask myself as a software engineer why does ccp not question there employee's on this level of incompetence?
I rather imagine that the reason that CCP doesn't "question there employee's on this level of incompetence" is three-fold.
#1 CCP is a business and as a business is a non-living entity that cannot take actions on its own. When was the last time you saw Starbucks serve coffee and not one of the people working for Starbucks?
#2 What you're asking and what they're doing doesn't quite synch up. Unless English is a third or fourth language for you you should really have said, "question their employees" as "there" denotes location (CCP's main office likely has thousands to hundreds of thousands of locations from "where the CEO last farted" to "where the coffeemaker was four years ago") and "employee's" denotes something owned by or belonging to a single employee.
#3 The leadership at CCP does not perceive there to be any incompetence on the part of their employees and therefore does not question what they do not feel exists.
Originally by: evos
Now i know the CCP fanbois will come back with *go play wow, we dont want u anyway* but that isnt really an insult as tbh msot of the wow population has better manners than the ever population by a long shot. Even if u refuse to admit its true.
I can deny the truth of this statement with a clean and clear conscience so long as by "wow population" you mean the people who play on retail servers and not free servers. I put in around 40 days in 2007 and since this last November I've been playing fairly heavily putting me in at close to 6 months of play time and I can confirm beyond a doubt that on an overall basis the World of Warcraft community is sub-par if you consider EVE's community to be the standard.
Still, I really think you missed the point behind statements, if you want to be generous in calling "gb2wow" a statemen, like that. The game itself is what they're often and mostly referring to, not the community.
Originally by: evos
So i ask you to thik on this and if u agree to agree n maybe CCP will start to realise that if they wish to expand
"If they wish to expand?" Considering that CCP has gone from their 30k maximum concurrent logins record to 50k in the last year or so and that it took them 2+ years to go from 10k to 30k I think that CCP has been expanding just fine.
Originally by: evos
Flame on but the majority of you, know im right, even fi you wont admit it.
I find it quite pompous and insulting for you to have the temerity to tell me what I know is "right." In fact, it's wrong.
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Crimsonjade
Amarr Secret Service
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: evos
Okay, so whine threads aside lets look at this factually.
I started playing back in beta and i must admit the server's where fine, the few patches we did have went off without a hitch.
you lost me here as you must have missed the first few years of eve. Servers going down at random times.
12 hour patches that turn into 36 hour patches. I would go on but pointless to as your just another troll i feel the need to feed
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Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:45:00 -
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It does not matter how long it took him to lose that play time. Online game you are going to have down time, if you cant deal with that you need to leave mmorpgs and play offline games.
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The Riddik
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:46:00 -
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kinda funny, this OP.
says he was in from beta, yet still doesnt understand the reason for the downtimes?
ya, right.
stupid is as stupid does, eh OP?
gtfo
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Ginako
Southern Cross Empire
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:46:00 -
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Fact: ALL whine threads are created by "6 year active members"
Please resize sig to a maximum file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ginako
Fact: ALL whine threads are created by "6 year active members"
so, in December will I also start a whine thread?
OMG TEH HORROR! LET ME QUIT THE GAME PRE-EMPTIVELY AND WHINE AT THE SAME TIME!
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:10:00 -
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they need to upgrade the severs and teh programs
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:20:00 -
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Six years and the OP can't get a properly sized signature!
Fix this, CCP !
Now !
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