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Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:28:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Goonswarm coming out in support of inflated wardec costs for big corps. What a surprise.
If the players of null sec really wanted to get rid of Goons maybe they should form one super alliance and take them down. Surely there is enough people in null sec to accomplish this task. :)
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
563
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:36:00 -
[32] - Quote
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Takseen wrote:Goonswarm coming out in support of inflated wardec costs for big corps. What a surprise. If the players of null sec really wanted to get rid of Goons maybe they should form one super alliance and take them down. Surely there is enough people in null sec to accomplish this task. :)
You're thinking in the wrong direction. Keep wardecs in mind, you need to push the goons into highsec and then wardec them !
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:40:00 -
[33] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Takseen wrote:Goonswarm coming out in support of inflated wardec costs for big corps. What a surprise. If the players of null sec really wanted to get rid of Goons maybe they should form one super alliance and take them down. Surely there is enough people in null sec to accomplish this task. :) You're thinking in the wrong direction. Keep wardecs in mind, you need to push the goons into highsec and then wardec them !
Nah...I like the ideal of taking the goons out in their own territory. The tears would be more fulfilling.  |
Wille Sanara
Felador night Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:56:00 -
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The new wardec system is wrong. The price of war should be derived of sizes of both attacker and defender corps. War should be cheapest for corps with same size, if attacker is much bigger then defender, it should grow exponencially. The same if small corp wants to attack big. It gives sence, protects at least a bit small corps and still gives enough measures to wardec everyone. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
3643
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:10:00 -
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Why are people blaming Goons for an EVE-Uni issue?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
607
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:17:00 -
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So what your saying is your upset because now people actually need a reason to go to war rather than just to get easy kills? I can see why that might make griefers unhappy.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:36:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.
The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.
This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.
Maybe you should guard your infrastructure sending escorts along with your haulers to protect them, seriously you expect high sec to be safe so you can carebear along happily picking up the shopping? |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
609
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:55:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Zagdul wrote:It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.
The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.
This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.
Maybe you should guard your infrastructure sending escorts along with your haulers to protect them, seriously you expect high sec to be safe so you can carebear along happily picking up the shopping?
Last time I went on an FA logistics escort we had around a hundred combat ships, didnt see any war targets coming at us for 'good fights'.
If you dont know what you are talking about, its best not to talk.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
586
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Posted - 2012.05.04 08:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zagdul wrote:Maybe now, empire griefer corps will put together proper fleets, come to null sec and fight us for real instead of hiding behind broken empire mechanics. No. This change promotes the exact opposite. Quote:As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. GǪand with a proper cost formula, that could still be avoided without giving you a free decshield.
Free?
I thought I just laid out that it costs me a lot of isk to run my alliance.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
586
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:00:00 -
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Not to mention the upkeep cost of an alliance each month.
Shoot, they can up that a month. Per corp even.
It's not rocket surgery. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
340
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:01:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Zagdul wrote:Maybe now, empire griefer corps will put together proper fleets, come to null sec and fight us for real instead of hiding behind broken empire mechanics. Exactly.
Says the person cowering behind an NPC alt. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3995
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:15:00 -
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look at these scrubs who think that wardecs from jita 4-4 camping "mercenaries" are a concern to nullsec alliances
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:16:00 -
[43] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Zagdul wrote:It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.
The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.
This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.
Maybe you should guard your infrastructure sending escorts along with your haulers to protect them, seriously you expect high sec to be safe so you can carebear along happily picking up the shopping? Last time I went on an FA logistics escort we had around a hundred combat ships, didnt see any war targets coming at us for 'good fights'. If you dont know what you are talking about, its best not to talk.
Lick Windows much?
Firstly what does good fights have to do with anything?? We're not talking about 'good fights', we're talking about Zagdul crying that that unguarded haulers were getting prevented by a couple dudes in highsec, so either those hundred combat ships are afk or you're not talking about the day to day hauling in high sec.
Now it doesn't matter who you are but if you want to be able to buy crap in highsec and move back to your lowsec/0.0 base then you need to be flying escort and guarding the damn ships all the way through.
Highsec isn't safe for the little 1 man corp noob miner sitting in a belt and it shouldn't be for the 1000+ strong alliance in 0.0 who wants risk free empire hauling.
So feel free to take your own advise. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3995
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:18:00 -
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if you can't afford a 4bn wardec you have failed as an alliance
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
610
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:22:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Zagdul wrote:It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.
The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.
This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.
Maybe you should guard your infrastructure sending escorts along with your haulers to protect them, seriously you expect high sec to be safe so you can carebear along happily picking up the shopping? Last time I went on an FA logistics escort we had around a hundred combat ships, didnt see any war targets coming at us for 'good fights'. If you dont know what you are talking about, its best not to talk. Lick Windows much? Firstly what does good fights have to do with anything?? We're not talking about 'good fights', we're talking about Zagdul crying that that unguarded haulers were getting prevented by a couple dudes in highsec, so either those hundred combat ships are afk or you're not talking about the day to day hauling in high sec. Now it doesn't matter who you are but if you want to be able to buy crap in highsec and move back to your lowsec/0.0 base then you need to be flying escort and guarding the damn ships all the way through. Highsec isn't safe for the little 1 man corp noob miner sitting in a belt and it should be for the 1000+ strong alliance in 0.0 who wants risk free empire hauling. So feel free to take your own advise.
I told you to stop talking so stop now please before you embarass yourself more.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Implying Implications
Broski Enterprises
45
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:24:00 -
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if you want to kill haulers leaving jita 4-4, just wardec anyone you see undocking in a badger |
Xython
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
851
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:33:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/03/insight-the-other-cost-of-war/ How much does Eve luv your corp? Please everyone put an end to inflation & declare war on the Goons so the WarDec ISK sink eleminates all inflation  Because teh goonies are so concerned by high sec wardecs, I'll tell you what.
I will admit, It would be nice to be able to head into Jita without having to do it on a market alt. Currently there's usually one or two of the "Supah Highsec PEE VEE PEErs" exploiting the black screen bug to get free kills, so...
Although I think that losing the barnacles hanging off the Jita undock will be the end of importing to VFK for a profit. Ah well. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
Federal Consensus Outreach
837
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:34:00 -
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BRB, registering 200 trial accounts.
Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
179
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote:The only ones that can wardec a large alliance is not feesible. CCP what are you thinking?
You plan on killing your love child or something? Wait, CCP had a love child? Please explain.
CCP had a luv child it died a bit after the T20 incident where they were giving it BPO's. Soooo the baby got consumed soon after it was caught putting its hands in the cookie jar and every body beat it like a red headed chinse step child
Unintentional bug Working as IntendedGäó...-á-á http://i.imgur.com/aYOL1.jpg
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Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:50:00 -
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To be honest I don't see why CCP shouldn't just cap the costs so once you hit say 500 people thats as expensive as it gets.
Do you really get more targets/fun as the numbers grow past that?? surely the majority of larger corps/aliances wouldn't be in empire space anyhow. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
377
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:06:00 -
[51] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Why are people blaming Goons for an EVE-Uni issue?
Cause they are bed buddies now.
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
Dragoons.
159
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:45:00 -
[52] - Quote
oh Q ******* Q,
1) form corp
2) get a decent number of people in it (under 10 isn't a decent number)
3) set tax to 100%
4) corp fleet incursions for like 3 hours
5) drop tax back to normal
6) war dec the goons
7) marvel at the sudden appearance of your shiny new undercarage in your boxer shorts. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy
Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:07:00 -
[53] - Quote
Goonswarm online working as intended .
Tech nerf isnt coming neither. |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
42
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:24:00 -
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Look....you wanna fight large Alliances you go to there space and fight them plain & simple. CCP finally fixed war dec exploit now your gonna have to fight for real. Don't like it? Too bad then GTFO and find another game  |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol
Bittervet Mercenaries
55
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:25:00 -
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Uhm.
I do see one advantage to this mechanic. In the old wardec system it made absolutely no sense for a high-sec corporation to grow beyond a certain point as they would just be painting a bulls eye on their back for griefing and wardeccing.
In this new system a very large empire coalition would be so expensive to war-dec that griefer deccing would no longer be feasible.
So I guess it's giving empire dwellers an incentive to have bigger corporations or form larger alliances.
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Proteus Maximus
New Eden Outcasts
Malicious Intent Gentleman's Club
88
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:32:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.
The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.
This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.
I believe the broken mechanic here is not "fixing" the system so your logistics chain can be safely run under concord protection due to inflated wardec costs.
Instead of proudly posting how much it costs to run your alliance how about putting in the time and man power to actually protect your supply chain from origin to final destination.
You know with one of those proper fleets you advised people to come meet you with?
There is not "mechanic" or "concord" in actual war to hide behind granting protection from gorilla warfare and piracy.
Why should there be in eve?
Eve... Burn it....Burn it All |
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
36
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:05:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:It costs me 54billion isk a month to run my alliance's infrastructure and logistics.
As it stands, an empire griefer alliance can shut that down for pocket change. A few dudes looking to kill unguarded ships who don't fire back isn't what war declarations intention was when they were introduced.
The people who are upset are the ones who declare war against entities to grief their pilots, not actually fight them in empire.
This fix to a broken mechanic is long over due.
How is it anyones fault but your own if you are going to move items unguarded? This is why we send gun trucks with supply convoys and why submarines would flank transport ships moving goods between continents. |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:28:00 -
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4 bil to wage a war for a week is crazy and I hope CCP sees that. It is hilarious to me to see all the blob corps in here hoping it stays the same for roll out. I do not expect anything less from Goons and alike though. |
Barakach
R-ISK
Shadow Operations.
66
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:38:00 -
[59] - Quote
2^32 reasons! |
Spurty
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
253
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:09:00 -
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So now there's a natural cap (monetary) on what's a valid target for a dec, noob corp immunity is no longer needed.
- right?
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
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