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Tippia
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:23:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:Why force your play style on others? Because it's an unavoidable consequence of the game being a multiplayer sandbox.
Quote:If you wish to blow **** up, you have null and low sec to do this all you want GǪnot to mention highsec, since that's where a lot of the good targets live and since it's just as much a combat zone as null and lowsec.
Quote:Did it ever occur to you that some people just do not give a flying **** about your style of game play and just wish to be left alone to play the game the way they want to play it? The problem is that in doing so, they affect the world around them and thus it needs to be possible for the world to affect them right back, no matter how much they wish it didn't. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.04 05:53:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:What a bunch of whining pansy arse players. GǪexcept that they don't whine all that much, especially compared to those who want to see highsec made safe from various forms of unprovoked and/or non-consensual boat violence.
Quote:Right and null sec and low sec is put that for that reason GǪas was highsec. So why should they go to null or low when highsec is where the fun/juicy targets are?
Put another way: why are you trying to force your play style on others? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.04 06:18:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Boat is very violent. I always go the impression that GǣtalkativeGǥ was the PC way of describing himGǪ
Mars Theran wrote:I understand the next implementation of Concord, (as of Inferno?), is going to be an instakill weapon rather than a bunch of ships. On the plus side, it may take some time for the Death Ray to reach you. Yes and now and kind of. It will still have the same seclevel-based delays as it has now and it will still involve ships arriving at the sceneGǪ
GǪbut what actually kills you will be a CONCORD death-ray GÇö the ships are just meaningless decoration that don't really do anything. They're just there to justify the fact that the criminal's ship just blew up (for completely separate reasons). This is meant to solve the issue of GÇ£herdingGÇ¥ CONCORD and to reduce the load on the servers, At the appointed time, a couple of objects with no useful properties whatsoever and with no AI will spawn, and at the same time, the offending ship will be flagged as destroyed. The whole thing is very easy to process and communicate to anyone witnessing the event. That also provides a hard barrier to any kind of avoidance techniques players may invent: at the designated time, the ship just goes boom regardless of whether any decorative CONCORD ships are actually at the scene or not.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:12:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:I support people blowing crap up. I want them to blow stuff up. It is how industrialist and miners make their living. You and the others of null and low sec have tons of space and lots of things to blow up GǪnot to mention highsec, where there's also lots of things to blow up. So why on earth shouldn't they go there? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:41:00 -
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ohno riceagain wrote:really? look at the numbers. if 70% of the player base is in hi sec, why the baseless attempt by CCP to move peeps to low sec? Because the numbers don't show that 70% of the player base is in highsec. They show that 70% of the characters are in highsec, which can quite easily be interpreted as only 30-40% of the players being in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:50:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Travel through hisec and every system is full of people. Travel through 0.0 and it's largely empty.
Can't explain that. Let me tell you about something called GǣdensityGǥ and how it relates to available volumeGǪ
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that the numbers do not say that there are more players in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:10:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Shame there are no specific numbers of 0.0 systems and hisec systems, to draw such a conclusion from. Exactly, so thus we arrive at the original conclusion: the numbers do not say that there are more players in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:24:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:The burden of proof is on you, for saying there are more 0.0 systems than hisec systems. Ok, setting aside for a second that nothing of the kind was said and the absolutely absurdity of asking proof for something that has been known since 2003 and which is proven by the client and by the wiki and site like dotlan andGǪ well every source on the matter available.
High sec: 1090 Low sec: 817 Nullsec: 6023 (of which 2499 are w-space).
Go count them. Not that it matters, because the fact remains the same: the numbers do not say that there are more players in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:23:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Sources? Download the data dump and do an SQL count for each sec level.
Quote:Even if it's roughly 3500 in 0.0 to 1000 in hisec, 0.0 still wouldn't look as dense as hisec if all those people were packed into 1000 systems. 0.0 is absolutely barren. GǪwhich still doesn't change the fact that the numbers do not show that most people are in highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:39:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:But it's like arguing that in the absence of actual numbers, there are more people in Russia than the US just because it's larger. No, it's like arguing that just because you see people in highsec system doesn't mean the numbers show that there are more people in highsec.
GǪbecause the simple fact of the matter is that they don't.
Quote:Thankfully, we have very accurate populations for each GǪand unfortunately, we don't have any accurate player population numbers for the various sec levels. In fact, we don't even have inaccurate numbers. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:48:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:If complete uncertainty is now your goal, instead of proving there are more people in 0.0 who are just spread out, like you originally said, i'll consider that a victory. GǪexcept of course that it was the uncertainty part that was said originally. You're confusing me with you GÇö you were the one brought density into the discussion. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:58:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:You know that's not true. Which part? The fact that the numbers don't show that there are more players in highsec, or the fact that this uncertainty was what I originally said before you objected by introducing an argument based on density?
No, they're both true. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:05:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:btw Tippia go rant more on your blog. you've not posted for a fair while I'll probably write something about the unified inventory once I've gathered enough thoughts and tested it a bit moreGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 21:36:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:I first said population differences are evident by just traveling through both hisec and 0.0 GǪin other words, you made a comment about density in response to my comment that there was no certainty about how many players are in highsec (or anywhere else for that matter).
Quote:I'm already sick of trying to be rational with you. You should try harder GÇö it's not as difficult to be rational as you make it out to be. For instance, you could start by not arguing against facts the way you've been doing, because that's not particularly rational at allGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.05 22:37:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:You keep quoting things out of context intentionally No, I just cut your quotes short to answer specific points or to reduce the irrelevant rambling.
Quote:trying to put words in my mouth, and are blatantly trying to twist and manipulate things. You're confusing me with you again, since you're the one trying to change the order in which things were stated and assigning your arguments to me.
Quote:You're only good at sounding right, not being right. Good thing, then, that I happen to be right too: that the numbers do not show that there are more people in highsecGǪ you know, that whole uncertainty thing I said at the beginning before you injected your density argument.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:01:00 -
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Verte Sinkon wrote:You can do it multiple ways but the easiest way to join our exclusive club at the Something Awful forums and get a platinum account then proceed to reach at least 100 post, preferably in FYAD. Humour. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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