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markol
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:23:00 -
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I am wondering why is it that podding people creates such a huge sec hit. Getting podded does not mean the end of the world. You lose a maximum of 4 mil for a clone, and I highly doubt that a person with so many skills will be podded anyway. They are usually smarter. And even 4 mil is not all that much money at all. Mining kernite in 0.5 will make 4 mil in no time at all. Insurance pays for the ship.
I know you will say "implants" but there is something that people should realize about implants. They are a risk when you put them into your head. You know that you should not be going into low sec unless they are prepared to lose them.
At the current rate, a person with 0.0 standing can pod 3-4 people before becoming an outlaw. I am counting agression, ship destruction and pod kill as all part of a single killing.
The 12.5% sec hit is way too much. Can I get some opinions?
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markol
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:23:00 -
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I am wondering why is it that podding people creates such a huge sec hit. Getting podded does not mean the end of the world. You lose a maximum of 4 mil for a clone, and I highly doubt that a person with so many skills will be podded anyway. They are usually smarter. And even 4 mil is not all that much money at all. Mining kernite in 0.5 will make 4 mil in no time at all. Insurance pays for the ship.
I know you will say "implants" but there is something that people should realize about implants. They are a risk when you put them into your head. You know that you should not be going into low sec unless they are prepared to lose them.
At the current rate, a person with 0.0 standing can pod 3-4 people before becoming an outlaw. I am counting agression, ship destruction and pod kill as all part of a single killing.
The 12.5% sec hit is way too much. Can I get some opinions?
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Pa1nbringr
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:27:00 -
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it ain't bad i do it all the time =P and it takes more then 3-4 pod kills to become an outlaw, and once you get below neg 5 it progressively gets harder to lower your sec status
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Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out
Pa1nbringr > sick
Fedaykin Naib > lol
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Pa1nbringr
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:27:00 -
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it ain't bad i do it all the time =P and it takes more then 3-4 pod kills to become an outlaw, and once you get below neg 5 it progressively gets harder to lower your sec status
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Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out
Pa1nbringr > sick
Fedaykin Naib > lol
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Muspell
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:28:00 -
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I agree, the sec hit is way too much for the podding. It should be more for blowing up the ship. As for the implants... if you know what you're doing you simply won't get podded. I've had mine for a few months now, never lose them when I blow up.
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Muspell
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:28:00 -
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I agree, the sec hit is way too much for the podding. It should be more for blowing up the ship. As for the implants... if you know what you're doing you simply won't get podded. I've had mine for a few months now, never lose them when I blow up.
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:29:00 -
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It is way too much, but on the other hand it is supposed to be a deterrant against podding
Even those people that have lots of skill points and implants can get caught out if they are not concentrating
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:29:00 -
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It is way too much, but on the other hand it is supposed to be a deterrant against podding
Even those people that have lots of skill points and implants can get caught out if they are not concentrating
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markol
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:31:00 -
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It just bothers me that after my bindge of podding people for a few days, I can no longer go through 0.5 systems. I am fine with having to travel on the outer limits of empire to get to the other side, which takes for ever and a day alone. But to have to go deep (40 jumps) into 0.0 (patrolled by CA) just to get past one single damn 0.5 system that just happen to be blocking your way, that sux!
Solution:
1. Make podding less of a criminal bad. Perhaps a 0.5 points off the sec status.
2. Make all the 0.5 systems that are on the outer banks of empire that prevent circum-navigating around the empire into 0.4 systems.
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markol
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:31:00 -
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It just bothers me that after my bindge of podding people for a few days, I can no longer go through 0.5 systems. I am fine with having to travel on the outer limits of empire to get to the other side, which takes for ever and a day alone. But to have to go deep (40 jumps) into 0.0 (patrolled by CA) just to get past one single damn 0.5 system that just happen to be blocking your way, that sux!
Solution:
1. Make podding less of a criminal bad. Perhaps a 0.5 points off the sec status.
2. Make all the 0.5 systems that are on the outer banks of empire that prevent circum-navigating around the empire into 0.4 systems.
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:38:00 -
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How about this....
A player with a -5 and above rating can fly through empire space, BUT, his ship must have no aggressive modules fitted.
Of course he is still susceptible to attack, and has a much greater chance of being destroyed etc.
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:38:00 -
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How about this....
A player with a -5 and above rating can fly through empire space, BUT, his ship must have no aggressive modules fitted.
Of course he is still susceptible to attack, and has a much greater chance of being destroyed etc.
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:38:00 -
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How about this....
A player with a -5 and above rating can fly through empire space, BUT, his ship must have no aggressive modules fitted.
Of course he is still susceptible to attack, and has a much greater chance of being destroyed etc.
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:38:00 -
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How about this....
A player with a -5 and above rating can fly through empire space, BUT, his ship must have no aggressive modules fitted.
Of course he is still susceptible to attack, and has a much greater chance of being destroyed etc.
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markol
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:51:00 -
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pyr8,
Now that is a good idea. I am all about that. Can we get some agreements down here. And stop double posting :)
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markol
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:51:00 -
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pyr8,
Now that is a good idea. I am all about that. Can we get some agreements down here. And stop double posting :)
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:57:00 -
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I'm full of good idea's
I didn't double post, when i sent it first time it said 'temporarily disabled', so i sent it again
Hmmm, well i did double post then... woops
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.26 15:57:00 -
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I'm full of good idea's
I didn't double post, when i sent it first time it said 'temporarily disabled', so i sent it again
Hmmm, well i did double post then... woops
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Marcus Janus
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:29:00 -
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If you want to travel through secure space don't POD. It's set that way for a reason.
Waiting for the flames and the calls of Care Bear
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Marcus Janus
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:29:00 -
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If you want to travel through secure space don't POD. It's set that way for a reason.
Waiting for the flames and the calls of Care Bear
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:30:00 -
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u pod people in empire u take the sec hit stop crying mr 13370r pirate. Be a man and come do it in 0.0 against things other than haulers and you wont get a sec hit.
YARRRR 
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:30:00 -
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u pod people in empire u take the sec hit stop crying mr 13370r pirate. Be a man and come do it in 0.0 against things other than haulers and you wont get a sec hit.
YARRRR
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:36:00 -
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There is no law in 0.0, so pirating there is kinda pointless.
Im trying not to get below -2.0 myself, because I dont feel like navigating every course I make around each system I cant enter...
Besides, what is the point in being an outlaw? You cant go anywhere where being attackable will matter much.
Frankly, I think it would be fun to try to get through Yulai without getting killed by pirate hunters.
It's not like you become more dangerous at -5.0
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:36:00 -
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There is no law in 0.0, so pirating there is kinda pointless.
Im trying not to get below -2.0 myself, because I dont feel like navigating every course I make around each system I cant enter...
Besides, what is the point in being an outlaw? You cant go anywhere where being attackable will matter much.
Frankly, I think it would be fun to try to get through Yulai without getting killed by pirate hunters.
It's not like you become more dangerous at -5.0
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Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:51:00 -
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Pod killing gives a huge sec hit becuase your committing murder. If you dont like the sec hit dont do it. Simple (oh and btw this is coming with somone with a sec of -4.8 before you start throwing names about).
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:51:00 -
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Pod killing gives a huge sec hit becuase your committing murder. If you dont like the sec hit dont do it. Simple (oh and btw this is coming with somone with a sec of -4.8 before you start throwing names about).
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Hematic
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:08:00 -
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Back in the day when torp splash used to inadvertantly scrap the pod I would agree that it was a big sec hit.
However now you have a choice. There is a reason why you feel the need to pod them so when you say it's no big deal then the same would hold true for no big deal letting it go. However you do it for a purpose that is important enough to you to have done it x number of times.
So coming here and saying it's no big deal actually defeats your arguement from the get go.
Destroying ship should be a bigger sec hit? What if it's a shuttle?
The only thing that would make sense is to base sec hits on a monetary loss system. Meaning that a bigger loss would be taken if you destroyed someone's BS as opposed to an ibis.
However I'm not that opposed to the way the system works now. It's not too hard to get sec status back up by killing BS NPCs if you want to maintain a decent rep.
However it just seems markol that you want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to play the 'outlaw' by podding people, yet you don't want to have to deal with .5+ being off limits.
Maybe you ought to think of joining an alliance corp so that you can PvP without the security status hit?
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:08:00 -
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Back in the day when torp splash used to inadvertantly scrap the pod I would agree that it was a big sec hit.
However now you have a choice. There is a reason why you feel the need to pod them so when you say it's no big deal then the same would hold true for no big deal letting it go. However you do it for a purpose that is important enough to you to have done it x number of times.
So coming here and saying it's no big deal actually defeats your arguement from the get go.
Destroying ship should be a bigger sec hit? What if it's a shuttle?
The only thing that would make sense is to base sec hits on a monetary loss system. Meaning that a bigger loss would be taken if you destroyed someone's BS as opposed to an ibis.
However I'm not that opposed to the way the system works now. It's not too hard to get sec status back up by killing BS NPCs if you want to maintain a decent rep.
However it just seems markol that you want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to play the 'outlaw' by podding people, yet you don't want to have to deal with .5+ being off limits.
Maybe you ought to think of joining an alliance corp so that you can PvP without the security status hit?
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markol
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:45:00 -
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I am in an alliance corp. TPS to be more specific.
The need to pod is very strong. I never do it without a reason. When I catch some one, I always ransom. Never have I killed for the sake of killing. But to let some one go without having paid the ransom, that's just against the rules. I see a frig, I ransom the pod after a demonstartion of having fitted a SB. The pod has no chance of escaping, so pay the ransom and leave.
But if he does not pay, I am forced to kill him. I don't like the sec status hit and all I wanted was a fair ransom.
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markol
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:45:00 -
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I am in an alliance corp. TPS to be more specific.
The need to pod is very strong. I never do it without a reason. When I catch some one, I always ransom. Never have I killed for the sake of killing. But to let some one go without having paid the ransom, that's just against the rules. I see a frig, I ransom the pod after a demonstartion of having fitted a SB. The pod has no chance of escaping, so pay the ransom and leave.
But if he does not pay, I am forced to kill him. I don't like the sec status hit and all I wanted was a fair ransom.
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:54:00 -
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so ransom his ship. If he doesnt pay destroy it and let the pod go. Dont whine about "I DONT WANNA GET A SEC HIT" you DONT need to pod to ransom. Its your choice.
Just go mine veldspar. You wanna be a pirate im empire and pod people you get a -ve sec status. Its that simple and TBFH your about the only person who realy has a problem with it. Maybe thats cos your just a wannabe and dont have a clue.....who knows....
and really WTF cares?
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Wuubaa
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:54:00 -
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so ransom his ship. If he doesnt pay destroy it and let the pod go. Dont whine about "I DONT WANNA GET A SEC HIT" you DONT need to pod to ransom. Its your choice.
Just go mine veldspar. You wanna be a pirate im empire and pod people you get a -ve sec status. Its that simple and TBFH your about the only person who realy has a problem with it. Maybe thats cos your just a wannabe and dont have a clue.....who knows....
and really WTF cares?
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:17:00 -
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I've always loved how killing "pc rats" in empire space gives the "Bounty Hunter" a sec hit. 
Difining a criminal by sec status alone is a bit outdated now me thinks. I can have a 5.0 sec rating and violently kill everything in sight in .0 space then come back to empire and be seen as a non-agressor til my sec status drops a bit. Silly.
As for being and podding people, if you don't use implants it's not that big a deal, I'm on clone 30(something, frig pilots die alot.
As for the sec hits, it's flawed, always has been realy, i pay no attention to sec status anymore as it doesnt realy mean much.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:17:00 -
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I've always loved how killing "pc rats" in empire space gives the "Bounty Hunter" a sec hit.
Difining a criminal by sec status alone is a bit outdated now me thinks. I can have a 5.0 sec rating and violently kill everything in sight in .0 space then come back to empire and be seen as a non-agressor til my sec status drops a bit. Silly.
As for being and podding people, if you don't use implants it's not that big a deal, I'm on clone 30(something, frig pilots die alot.
As for the sec hits, it's flawed, always has been realy, i pay no attention to sec status anymore as it doesnt realy mean much.
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Terrifiedkiller
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Posted - 2004.08.26 23:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Pyr8
I'm full of good idea's
I didn't double post, when i sent it first time it said 'temporarily disabled', so i sent it again
Hmmm, well i did double post then... woops
i had this happen myself once but you could have deleted the first one after realizing that you did it though
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Terrifiedkiller
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Posted - 2004.08.26 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pyr8
I'm full of good idea's
I didn't double post, when i sent it first time it said 'temporarily disabled', so i sent it again
Hmmm, well i did double post then... woops
i had this happen myself once but you could have deleted the first one after realizing that you did it though
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:23:00 -
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sorry
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Pyr8
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:23:00 -
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sorry
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Voltex
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Posted - 2004.08.27 12:24:00 -
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I think the podding system is fine, its not the loss of the isk or the ship or the clone that matters its the fact you KILL i an actual player, not just blowing his ship up, its called murder.
'Your 250mm Carbide completely misses Guristas Annihilator, Doing 0 damage'
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Voltex
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Posted - 2004.08.27 12:24:00 -
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I think the podding system is fine, its not the loss of the isk or the ship or the clone that matters its the fact you KILL i an actual player, not just blowing his ship up, its called murder.
'Your 250mm Carbide completely misses Guristas Annihilator, Doing 0 damage'
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Mordo'kie Ectar
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Posted - 2004.08.27 12:36:00 -
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It really does sound like you want your cake and eat it too. Plenty of targets in 0.0 and corp wars I think. To me it sounds like you do not wish to take on the vets in 0.0, just the unsuspecting and week in empire.
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Mordo'kie Ectar
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Posted - 2004.08.27 12:36:00 -
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It really does sound like you want your cake and eat it too. Plenty of targets in 0.0 and corp wars I think. To me it sounds like you do not wish to take on the vets in 0.0, just the unsuspecting and week in empire.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.08.27 12:53:00 -
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Funny thing is I have been podded 3 times with a full set of implants each time I have stopped my ship and offered to pay a ransom and each time I have been podded lol.
Pirates have no reasoning anymore its just not worth it from now on I will either try and inflict as much damage back as possible or make a run for it. As for sec hits GOOD lol you choose a destuctive path where killing others is involved for your enjoyment and then cry about the sec hits???? Dont make me laugh please. I have been set back in the game by so many months now its plain scary but Im not complaining thats life and it would be boring without pirates.
Just seems to me lately that pirates have become the REAL Carebears in the game.
Anyway happy gaming all and be carefull out there!
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2004.08.27 12:53:00 -
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Funny thing is I have been podded 3 times with a full set of implants each time I have stopped my ship and offered to pay a ransom and each time I have been podded lol.
Pirates have no reasoning anymore its just not worth it from now on I will either try and inflict as much damage back as possible or make a run for it. As for sec hits GOOD lol you choose a destuctive path where killing others is involved for your enjoyment and then cry about the sec hits???? Dont make me laugh please. I have been set back in the game by so many months now its plain scary but Im not complaining thats life and it would be boring without pirates.
Just seems to me lately that pirates have become the REAL Carebears in the game.
Anyway happy gaming all and be carefull out there!
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.08.27 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lansfear
I've always loved how killing "pc rats" in empire space gives the "Bounty Hunter" a sec hit.
That's only half-true, as any "decent" pc rat will be an outlaw with -5.0 or lower and shooting an outlaw doesn't get you a sec hit.
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2004.08.27 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lansfear
I've always loved how killing "pc rats" in empire space gives the "Bounty Hunter" a sec hit.
That's only half-true, as any "decent" pc rat will be an outlaw with -5.0 or lower and shooting an outlaw doesn't get you a sec hit.
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Lagar
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Posted - 2004.08.27 15:13:00 -
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well CLONES are ment to ease the pain of losing one's pod... if you dont improve that then... 
you get to start over again.
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Lagar
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Posted - 2004.08.27 15:13:00 -
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well CLONES are ment to ease the pain of losing one's pod... if you dont improve that then...
you get to start over again.
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.08.27 15:27:00 -
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I am pretty sure podding is a refrence to putting someone out of thier ship by blowing it up into a pod, hence podding.
I think the word your looking for is.
Poping
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Shade Widow
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Posted - 2004.08.27 15:27:00 -
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I am pretty sure podding is a refrence to putting someone out of thier ship by blowing it up into a pod, hence podding.
I think the word your looking for is.
Poping
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.08.27 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
I am pretty sure podding is a refrence to putting someone out of thier ship by blowing it up into a pod, hence podding.
I think the word your looking for is.
Poping
Erm, no.
Podding is killing someones pod. And its been so since beta, and very probably alpha.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.08.27 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Widow
I am pretty sure podding is a refrence to putting someone out of thier ship by blowing it up into a pod, hence podding.
I think the word your looking for is.
Poping
Erm, no.
Podding is killing someones pod. And its been so since beta, and very probably alpha.
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.08.27 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 27/08/2004 19:37:31
I believe if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I rarely pod in Empire partly because I don't want the sec hit and also because the pickings are **** in Empire.
People drop shinier things in 0.0.
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Koda
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Posted - 2004.08.27 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 27/08/2004 19:37:31
I believe if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I rarely pod in Empire partly because I don't want the sec hit and also because the pickings are **** in Empire.
People drop shinier things in 0.0.
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