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Pteranodon	Posted - 2009.04.12 11:23:00 - [1] I've noticed that CCP has gone really soft on Noobs. They get accelerated skill training, 2 neural remaps & more free SP than any of what the vets originally started with. Surely the guys who have been in the game longer than a year should get a yearly loyality bonus from CCP. They are the ones who shaped Eve & made it what it is today not a load of Noobs with practically zero input & plenty of time to adjust to an Eve with is now Eden compared with when the vets started long ago. Mind you- we did get a shuttle- er but the noobs got that as well! Comeon CCP- The vets want some love too.
Miilla	Posted - 2009.04.12 11:32:00 - [2] you got T3 and wspace. Stop crying.
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.04.12 12:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Pteranodon They get accelerated skill training, 2 neural remaps & more free SP than any of what the vets originally started with. That's not true. Depending on how old they are, 'vets' started with 10k-310k SP (before Revelations) or 800k SP (after Revelations). New players now start with almost nothing and instead they get accelerated skill training. They do not get "more free SP". Originally by: Pteranodon Surely the guys who have been in the game longer than a year should get a yearly loyality bonus from CCP. What about a permanent advantage in total skill points, which newer players never can catch up with? FREE! jumpclone service - NOW 192 locations!
Strupstad Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.04.12 13:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Pteranodon I've noticed that CCP has gone really soft on Noobs. They get accelerated skill training, 2 neural remaps & more free SP than any of what the vets originally started with. Surely the guys who have been in the game longer than a year should get a yearly loyality bonus from CCP. They are the ones who shaped Eve & made it what it is today not a load of Noobs with practically zero input & plenty of time to adjust to an Eve with is now Eden compared with when the vets started long ago. Mind you- we did get a shuttle- er but the noobs got that as well! Comeon CCP- The vets want some love too. You can ask for more social additions. Like pink tutus. Vets always have a skill point advantage. A mere 800k difference at best makes you feel outclassed?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.12 14:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Miilla you got T3 and wspace. Stop crying. Plus, you know, our tens of millions of SP, accumulated assets, in-game social networks, knowledge of game mechanics & so forth.
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.12 15:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Miilla you got T3 and wspace. Stop crying. Plus, you know, our tens of millions of SP, accumulated assets, in-game social networks, knowledge of game mechanics & so forth. Don't forget our super secret "I'm a Vet" hats. ---
Dark Soldat Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.12 16:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Miilla you got T3 and wspace. Stop crying. Plus, you know, our tens of millions of SP, accumulated assets, in-game social networks, knowledge of game mechanics & so forth. Don't forget our super secret "I'm a Vet" hats. Wai..wai...wai.... We have what? Why wasn't i informed?
4 LOM United Gamers	Posted - 2009.04.12 17:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Heartstone Don't forget our super secret "I'm a Vet" hats. SHHHHH dont let the noobs know we have a hat.. its super secret for a reason stop blabing about it! Originally by: Twilight Moon of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.04.12 19:15:00 - [9] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Miilla you got T3 and wspace. Stop crying. Plus, you know, our tens of millions of SP, accumulated assets, in-game social networks, knowledge of game mechanics & so forth. Don't forget our super secret "I'm a Vet" hats. God dambit YOU DONT TALK ABOUT THE HATS NOW YOU GET A MONTH IN THE HOLE WHERE YOU CAN THINK ABOUT NEVER TALKING ABOUT THAT HATS YOU HEAR ME NEVER
Lilla Kharn Amarr THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:04:00 - [10] Where is my hat? I expect 2 of them. One in blue and one in black. Now.
Hamatitio Caldari Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.04.12 20:22:00 - [11] confirming that i am the only true vet in the thread. i've got enough :) Hijack this
Estel Arador Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services	Posted - 2009.04.12 21:04:00 - [12] I'm a n00b, seriously. FREE! jumpclone service - NOW 192 locations!
Malarkie	Posted - 2009.04.12 21:07:00 - [13] Originally by: Estel Arador I'm a n00b, seriously. Yes you are...but you are a "n00b" with 192 locations from which to hang his "hat". :-P
Strupstad Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.04.12 23:06:00 - [14] Edited by: Strupstad on 12/04/2009 23:06:19 Originally by: Hamatitio confirming that i am the only one without a life and family in the thread, as well as i live in mums basement to be able to stay in my current alliance of no lifers i've got enough :) Fixed for you.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.04.12 23:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Dark Soldat Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Miilla you got T3 and wspace. Stop crying. Plus, you know, our tens of millions of SP, accumulated assets, in-game social networks, knowledge of game mechanics & so forth. Don't forget our super secret "I'm a Vet" hats. Wai..wai...wai.... We have what? Why wasn't i informed? Hint: think foil. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Vindarten	Posted - 2009.04.13 01:46:00 - [16] I'm a 25mil sp n00b myself
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.13 15:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Pteranodon I've noticed that CCP has gone really soft on Noobs. They get accelerated skill training, 2 neural remaps & more free SP than any of what the vets originally started with. Surely the guys who have been in the game longer than a year should get a yearly loyality bonus from CCP. They are the ones who shaped Eve & made it what it is today not a load of Noobs with practically zero input & plenty of time to adjust to an Eve with is now Eden compared with when the vets started long ago. Mind you- we did get a shuttle- er but the noobs got that as well! Comeon CCP- The vets want some love too. Button it, nubbins.
Taloth Kcovik	Posted - 2009.04.13 15:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Miilla you got T3 and wspace. Stop crying. Plus, you know, our tens of millions of SP, accumulated assets, in-game social networks, knowledge of game mechanics & so forth. Don't forget our super secret "I'm a Vet" hats. God dambit YOU DONT TALK ABOUT THE HATS NOW YOU GET A MONTH IN THE HOLE WHERE YOU CAN THINK ABOUT NEVER TALKING ABOUT THAT HATS YOU HEAR ME NEVER Back in my day we couldn't afford hats, we could barely afford heads. You could buy a head on market, but they hadn't released the skill book for it yet. Also, we wore onions on our belts, yellow ones though, you understand, because of the war effort. /Now get off my lawn //With your gawddarn rock music
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa Minmatar The Perfect Harvesting Experience	Posted - 2009.04.13 18:30:00 - [19] Says the one with the Revelations avatar... I ordered a pink hat, but Eris had claimed them all... I had to settle for a red one instead. ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Doublemuff	Posted - 2009.04.13 19:37:00 - [20] Edited by: Doublemuff on 13/04/2009 19:40:40 Oh shut up. I've been playing on and off (mostly on) for about 4 years now and I still don't think we deserve to get some kind of boost for having stayed on. EVE isn't about the 'endgame' like other MMOs, its about constantly aiming to get somewhere, and only being restricted by yourself, not by arbitrary boundaries like 'levels' and 'race'. If there's ships and training speeds which are only unlocked after a year's play, well, I think that'll just hurt the whole experience. You've got more money, friends and skillpoints than any new player will for at least a year or two. Give it a rest. EDIT: for clarity, this is a new character I started to get a fresh start with a RL friend of mine.
Tycho Gruul	Posted - 2009.04.13 20:47:00 - [21] What do veterans get? How about you get to continue to play in a populated new eden instead of the ghost town that would result from a game that could be(but is largely not) tremendously unfriendly to new players.
Angelos Gateway Industries	Posted - 2009.04.14 03:09:00 - [22] Yeah what the heck. All these noobs get fancy stuff like covert ops and titans and stuff... back in my day we got just frigates, cruisers, and battleships. And we liked it!
Angelos Gateway Industries	Posted - 2009.04.14 03:11:00 - [23] You know I was just thinking of something. With EVE going on shelves again so many years later, how many people are going to be joining the game and not realizing it's been around for 6 years...
Calleb	Posted - 2009.04.14 07:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Hamatitio confirming that i am the only true vet in the thread. i've got enough :) Hey Ham its good to see you are still floating around m8e. And doing better than me as I am pretty sure I dont have enough just yet - lol Back to the OP - I have to agree with the general feeling that us "vets" dont deserve to get something handed to us on a plate for nothing - Is it too much to ask for a Birthday Card once a year though
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.15 11:00:00 - [25] Why would being able to treat sick animals give you any sort of in-game bonus? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Illami	Posted - 2009.04.16 12:32:00 - [26] lol would love to see devs give vets a 1.6mil sp bonus, whats that like nothing for you guys
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.04.16 12:56:00 - [27] Im not saying we need it, but I would enjoy the bonus. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Big Gulpp	Posted - 2009.04.16 13:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Pteranodon I've noticed that CCP has gone really soft on Noobs. They get accelerated skill training, 2 neural remaps & more free SP than any of what the vets originally started with. Surely the guys who have been in the game longer than a year should get a yearly loyality bonus from CCP. They are the ones who shaped Eve & made it what it is today not a load of Noobs with practically zero input & plenty of time to adjust to an Eve with is now Eden compared with when the vets started long ago. Mind you- we did get a shuttle- er but the noobs got that as well! Comeon CCP- The vets want some love too. A WAH A WAHHHH!
Ka Jolo The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.04.16 13:50:00 - [29] Let me just ask you this: How many noobs do you see running around with snowball launchers??? I rest my case.
Aethrwolf Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers	Posted - 2009.04.16 15:21:00 - [30] can I get my very own rare ore belt in high sec for my birthday? or a birthday mission with 10 mil faction rats all over that dont shoot back OR tank? Absolutely everything is subjective.
Anatal Klep	Posted - 2009.04.16 21:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Tycho Gruul What do veterans get? How about you get to continue to play in a populated new eden instead of the ghost town that would result from a game that could be(but is largely not) tremendously unfriendly to new players. This. A traditional problem with skill-based games is that the gap between new positions and veteran positions steadily widens. The new player finally gets his shiny new BS and finds he is still hopelessly outclassed because everyone he meets has invested a year or so in maxing out their skills and has faction outfitting. BTW, I have a couple of extra vet hats. Just send your color preference and 1b while the supply lasts.
Angelos Aliastra	Posted - 2009.04.16 23:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Anatal Klep This. A traditional problem with skill-based games is that the gap between new positions and veteran positions steadily widens. The new player finally gets his shiny new BS and finds he is still hopelessly outclassed because everyone he meets has invested a year or so in maxing out their skills and has faction outfitting. I disagree though. I don't find the gap that wide at all. A veteran character has some advantages, but "hopelessly outclassed" is not how I would describe a new character. In terms of PvP, experience and smart thinking count for more than skills trained. It is the same way in any skill-based game, and newbies have just as good of chance at succeeding as veterans.
digitalwanderer Gallente Eve Corporation200901210	Posted - 2009.04.17 03:31:00 - [33] What do i get for 103 million skill points?
digitalwanderer Gallente Eve Corporation200901210	Posted - 2009.04.17 03:33:00 - [34] I Know.....Turn into a jove char after a certain amount of skills/skill points,though a very high amount would be needed of course.
Asnar Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.17 09:15:00 - [35] Originally by: digitalwanderer I Know.....Turn into a jove char after a certain amount of skills/skill points,though a very high amount would be needed of course. Lol remembering that really does show who the old farts are.. ;-D
digitalwanderer Gallente Eve Corporation200901210	Posted - 2009.04.17 17:20:00 - [36] Originally by: Asnar Originally by: digitalwanderer I Know.....Turn into a jove char after a certain amount of skills/skill points,though a very high amount would be needed of course. Lol remembering that really does show who the old farts are.. ;-D Yup,almost 6 years old and still here....That was a popular request in the first year that the server went live(2003),but it's a shame that even after all this time,the jove only serve for background story and nothing more.
Ghoest	Posted - 2009.04.17 20:22:00 - [37] Id still do anything in game to be buddies with Jovians. Wherever you went - Here you are.
mishkof Caldari Dirty Denizens	Posted - 2009.04.17 21:07:00 - [38] Originally by: Estel Arador What about a permanent advantage in total skill points, which newer players never can catch up with? Uh, that permanent "advantage" was paid for from subscription fees. Older Vets have got less for their money then new players. That is a simple fact. New players have been given more "free" SP and a buff to training time. Older players have not yet we pay the same 15 bucks you do. I dont necessarily care that much, but newer players saying "vets were given an advantage" are simply ignorant, or lieing.
digitalwanderer Gallente Eve Corporation200901210	Posted - 2009.04.18 02:25:00 - [39] Originally by: mishkof Originally by: Estel Arador What about a permanent advantage in total skill points, which newer players never can catch up with? Uh, that permanent "advantage" was paid for from subscription fees. Older Vets have got less for their money then new players. That is a simple fact. New players have been given more "free" SP and a buff to training time. Older players have not yet we pay the same 15 bucks you do. I dont necessarily care that much, but newer players saying "vets were given an advantage" are simply ignorant, or lieing. Indeed,i started this very char with only 8000 skill points and flying the basic frigate,and took nearly 4 weeks of training and making isk before i was flying my first cruiser(vexor),and then another 4 months playing several hours a day before getting into my first battleship. There were no atribute implants,no level 4 missions,no mining barges or even battleship NPC spawns in 0.0 for that matter,heck not even T2 mining lasers or T2 BPO's earning billions,or invention. Isk was way harder to make and skills took a hell of a lot longer to train,so any newer player still *****ing that Vet's have it easy now is absolutely right,but we had it way worse in the early days,as there no comparison possible how much easier EVE is overall. EVE in the early days was hard core,plain and simple.

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