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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:28:00 -
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Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:28:00 -
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Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
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Turyleon Caddarn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Odet
It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
excellent, you will need to work as a team, in groups, just like CCP are going to force the npc'ers and the miners to do eventually with all the nerfs.
a small mobile disruptor cost like what, 10mil? to place it its pretty simple, warp from the gate you think they will be coming from, to the gate you think they will be going to at whatever range you want, and deploy. sounds easy enough.
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Turyleon Caddarn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
excellent, you will need to work as a team, in groups, just like CCP are going to force the npc'ers and the miners to do eventually with all the nerfs.
a small mobile disruptor cost like what, 10mil? to place it its pretty simple, warp from the gate you think they will be coming from, to the gate you think they will be going to at whatever range you want, and deploy. sounds easy enough.
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Aornn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:35:00 -
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Solution to gate-instas is already in next patch. Read patch notes carefully.
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Aornn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:35:00 -
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Solution to gate-instas is already in next patch. Read patch notes carefully.
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Galk
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:38:00 -
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What it used to be?
far as i can remember, insta jumps have been around since the dawn of time.
Not everybody flys around in fast ships either, futhermore, ever tried smartbombs?
Lots of different ways, tbh this has been done to death before, your not even putting a new slant on it.
Just give it a little thought, it's not practicaly imposable at all, it's just like everything else, you have to set to do it, stop them that is....
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:38:00 -
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What it used to be?
far as i can remember, insta jumps have been around since the dawn of time.
Not everybody flys around in fast ships either, futhermore, ever tried smartbombs?
Lots of different ways, tbh this has been done to death before, your not even putting a new slant on it.
Just give it a little thought, it's not practicaly imposable at all, it's just like everything else, you have to set to do it, stop them that is....
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:39:00 -
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Takes 10 minutes, which only encourages camping, and they cant be set up to prevent instadocks
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:39:00 -
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Takes 10 minutes, which only encourages camping, and they cant be set up to prevent instadocks
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:40:00 -
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too right, instas wont be a problem next patch with the smart bomb changes.
It just makes the game dumb and inbalanced
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:40:00 -
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too right, instas wont be a problem next patch with the smart bomb changes.
It just makes the game dumb and inbalanced
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Turyleon Caddarn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
Takes 10 minutes, which only encourages camping, and they cant be set up to prevent instadocks
which encourages camping!??? lol, like pirates dont do that anyway...
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Turyleon Caddarn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
Takes 10 minutes, which only encourages camping, and they cant be set up to prevent instadocks
which encourages camping!??? lol, like pirates dont do that anyway...
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
What it used to be?
far as i can remember, insta jumps have been around since the dawn of time.
Not everybody flys around in fast ships either, futhermore, ever tried smartbombs?
Lots of different ways, tbh this has been done to death before, your not even putting a new slant on it.
Just give it a little thought, it's not practicaly imposable at all, it's just like everything else, you have to set to do it, stop them that is....
ummm no im not going to use a bs with SB to kill insta jumpers. Thats greifing. The point in my case is pirating how can i ransom somebody when he can instantyl just jump out? asnwer is you cant. So in turn ppl get so pizsed off that they setup bs`s withsmartbombs and blow up ship and pod no questions no ransoms no money just killl to kill.
Work as a team? mmmm F* that I like to work solo a lot and or in small groups. So therefore setting up a mobile isnt really an option.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
What it used to be?
far as i can remember, insta jumps have been around since the dawn of time.
Not everybody flys around in fast ships either, futhermore, ever tried smartbombs?
Lots of different ways, tbh this has been done to death before, your not even putting a new slant on it.
Just give it a little thought, it's not practicaly imposable at all, it's just like everything else, you have to set to do it, stop them that is....
ummm no im not going to use a bs with SB to kill insta jumpers. Thats greifing. The point in my case is pirating how can i ransom somebody when he can instantyl just jump out? asnwer is you cant. So in turn ppl get so pizsed off that they setup bs`s withsmartbombs and blow up ship and pod no questions no ransoms no money just killl to kill.
Work as a team? mmmm F* that I like to work solo a lot and or in small groups. So therefore setting up a mobile isnt really an option.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aornn
Solution to gate-instas is already in next patch. Read patch notes carefully.
havent read em yet ill check it out though thnx.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aornn
Solution to gate-instas is already in next patch. Read patch notes carefully.
havent read em yet ill check it out though thnx.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
What it used to be?
far as i can remember, insta jumps have been around since the dawn of time.
Not everybody flys around in fast ships either, futhermore, ever tried smartbombs?
Lots of different ways, tbh this has been done to death before, your not even putting a new slant on it.
Just give it a little thought, it's not practicaly imposable at all, it's just like everything else, you have to set to do it, stop them that is....
Hate to break it to ya i insta`s used to be rare. Now every noob in eve even has em.
Ok how about you roll with me for a while and try to stop Frigs with instajumps and mwds and filled lows with wcs. Without using a bs with smartbombs.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
What it used to be?
far as i can remember, insta jumps have been around since the dawn of time.
Not everybody flys around in fast ships either, futhermore, ever tried smartbombs?
Lots of different ways, tbh this has been done to death before, your not even putting a new slant on it.
Just give it a little thought, it's not practicaly imposable at all, it's just like everything else, you have to set to do it, stop them that is....
Hate to break it to ya i insta`s used to be rare. Now every noob in eve even has em.
Ok how about you roll with me for a while and try to stop Frigs with instajumps and mwds and filled lows with wcs. Without using a bs with smartbombs.
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Turyleon Caddarn
Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
Takes 10 minutes, which only encourages camping, and they cant be set up to prevent instadocks
which encourages camping!??? lol, like pirates dont do that anyway...
Your right, most pirates dont camp..well not many of the ones i know
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Turyleon Caddarn
Originally by: BobGhengisKhan
Takes 10 minutes, which only encourages camping, and they cant be set up to prevent instadocks
which encourages camping!??? lol, like pirates dont do that anyway...
Your right, most pirates dont camp..well not many of the ones i know
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Turyleon Caddarn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 26/08/2004 16:49:03
Originally by: Odet
Work as a team? mmmm F* that I like to work solo a lot and or in small groups. So therefore setting up a mobile isnt really an option.
if you arent prepared to work in a team, then i have no sympathy for you. stop whining.
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Turyleon Caddarn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 26/08/2004 16:49:03
Originally by: Odet
Work as a team? mmmm F* that I like to work solo a lot and or in small groups. So therefore setting up a mobile isnt really an option.
if you arent prepared to work in a team, then i have no sympathy for you. stop whining.
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 26/08/2004 16:53:09
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which encourages camping!??? lol, like pirates dont do that anyway...
Well, yeah, sometimes. But most of the time we like to attack, and no ones going to give you 10 minutes to set up 3 disruptors (one for each gate). Even if they do, theres the insta dock bookmark. Safespots can be found, but you cant stop an instadock
What's this from patch notes:
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Fixed warp-to-bookmark error.
Sounds like the error you get when you try to warp to a bookmark in your grid, can't go on Chaos to test it
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 26/08/2004 16:53:09
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which encourages camping!??? lol, like pirates dont do that anyway...
Well, yeah, sometimes. But most of the time we like to attack, and no ones going to give you 10 minutes to set up 3 disruptors (one for each gate). Even if they do, theres the insta dock bookmark. Safespots can be found, but you cant stop an instadock
What's this from patch notes:
Quote:
Fixed warp-to-bookmark error.
Sounds like the error you get when you try to warp to a bookmark in your grid, can't go on Chaos to test it
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:59:00 -
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Your rant is actaully about bookmarks in general, and the way they are used to surpass teh 15km flight time.
I agree that they can be used to fly through blockades and simlar but I must stress that your request that:
Quote:
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
is frankly ridiculous. What about miners? Or scouts? Or any one who has ever used a safe spot? These all use bookmarks, for putting a hidden stash of ammo and missiles or for creating a point that lets you scan a gate, etc. Its not just insta-jumping pilots that would be harmed by removal of bookmarks in 0.0 but everybody.
Think through all the implications of your request before you rant about it please.
If you find that pilots are passing you with their bookmarks, try chasing them. They may not have a BM for the next system or the one after that. 0.0 isn't just about getting a quick and easy kill - its about living without rules, which (for better or worse) includes allowing BM's. I agree that it is frustrating trying to chase an insta-jumping frigate but mobile warp disruptors are not necessarily out of the question. They can be successfully used by a group of 2 pilots.
Its like most things about EVE; it doesnt cater for one person and not everyone's going to like it, but just adapt your playing style to the game instead of getting the game changed to suit you.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.08.26 16:59:00 -
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Your rant is actaully about bookmarks in general, and the way they are used to surpass teh 15km flight time.
I agree that they can be used to fly through blockades and simlar but I must stress that your request that:
Quote:
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
is frankly ridiculous. What about miners? Or scouts? Or any one who has ever used a safe spot? These all use bookmarks, for putting a hidden stash of ammo and missiles or for creating a point that lets you scan a gate, etc. Its not just insta-jumping pilots that would be harmed by removal of bookmarks in 0.0 but everybody.
Think through all the implications of your request before you rant about it please.
If you find that pilots are passing you with their bookmarks, try chasing them. They may not have a BM for the next system or the one after that. 0.0 isn't just about getting a quick and easy kill - its about living without rules, which (for better or worse) includes allowing BM's. I agree that it is frustrating trying to chase an insta-jumping frigate but mobile warp disruptors are not necessarily out of the question. They can be successfully used by a group of 2 pilots.
Its like most things about EVE; it doesnt cater for one person and not everyone's going to like it, but just adapt your playing style to the game instead of getting the game changed to suit you.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Turyleon Caddarn
Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 26/08/2004 16:49:03
Originally by: Odet
Work as a team? mmmm F* that I like to work solo a lot and or in small groups. So therefore setting up a mobile isnt really an option.
if you arent prepared to work in a team, then i have no sympathy for you. stop whining.
tury. shhhhh.
Speak only if you know what you are talking about.
kthnxdie
I dont tell yu how to play the game dont tell me how i should. Now be a good noobcake and know your role, and try and see a point of view other then your own. I stated that in my initial post. you clearly werent thnking before posting or taking into account any other view besides your own.
ughhh.... dealing with a genius here..
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Turyleon Caddarn
Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 26/08/2004 16:49:03
Originally by: Odet
Work as a team? mmmm F* that I like to work solo a lot and or in small groups. So therefore setting up a mobile isnt really an option.
if you arent prepared to work in a team, then i have no sympathy for you. stop whining.
tury. shhhhh.
Speak only if you know what you are talking about.
kthnxdie
I dont tell yu how to play the game dont tell me how i should. Now be a good noobcake and know your role, and try and see a point of view other then your own. I stated that in my initial post. you clearly werent thnking before posting or taking into account any other view besides your own.
ughhh.... dealing with a genius here..
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Galk
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 26/08/2004 17:14:21
Greifing in 0.0
Can i fall of my chair laughing now....
Edit... OMG i just saw your sig... WOW!
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Galk
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 26/08/2004 17:14:21
Greifing in 0.0
Can i fall of my chair laughing now....
Edit... OMG i just saw your sig... WOW!
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni
Your rant is actaully about bookmarks in general, and the way they are used to surpass teh 15km flight time.
I agree that they can be used to fly through blockades and simlar but I must stress that your request that:
Quote:
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
is frankly ridiculous. What about miners? Or scouts? Or any one who has ever used a safe spot? These all use bookmarks, for putting a hidden stash of ammo and missiles or for creating a point that lets you scan a gate, etc. Its not just insta-jumping pilots that would be harmed by removal of bookmarks in 0.0 but everybody.
Think through all the implications of your request before you rant about it please.
If you find that pilots are passing you with their bookmarks, try chasing them. They may not have a BM for the next system or the one after that. 0.0 isn't just about getting a quick and easy kill - its about living without rules, which (for better or worse) includes allowing BM's. I agree that it is frustrating trying to chase an insta-jumping frigate but mobile warp disruptors are not necessarily out of the question. They can be successfully used by a group of 2 pilots.
Its like most things about EVE; it doesnt cater for one person and not everyone's going to like it, but just adapt your playing style to the game instead of getting the game changed to suit you.
Where did i say all bookmarks? would you like to point that out for me plz.
I mean have prevent insta jumps from gate to gate. have a little coding done so nothing can warp closer then 15km around the gate. boom voila done.
Have you ever done any pirating lol?
trust me i had to make bm`s for the systems i hunt in just to chase ppl. Frankyl its retared. theyve caused 0.0 to be safe. which it isnt supposed to be.
can i ask you something can u seriously not read or are you actually wee-toded.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni
Your rant is actaully about bookmarks in general, and the way they are used to surpass teh 15km flight time.
I agree that they can be used to fly through blockades and simlar but I must stress that your request that:
Quote:
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
is frankly ridiculous. What about miners? Or scouts? Or any one who has ever used a safe spot? These all use bookmarks, for putting a hidden stash of ammo and missiles or for creating a point that lets you scan a gate, etc. Its not just insta-jumping pilots that would be harmed by removal of bookmarks in 0.0 but everybody.
Think through all the implications of your request before you rant about it please.
If you find that pilots are passing you with their bookmarks, try chasing them. They may not have a BM for the next system or the one after that. 0.0 isn't just about getting a quick and easy kill - its about living without rules, which (for better or worse) includes allowing BM's. I agree that it is frustrating trying to chase an insta-jumping frigate but mobile warp disruptors are not necessarily out of the question. They can be successfully used by a group of 2 pilots.
Its like most things about EVE; it doesnt cater for one person and not everyone's going to like it, but just adapt your playing style to the game instead of getting the game changed to suit you.
Where did i say all bookmarks? would you like to point that out for me plz.
I mean have prevent insta jumps from gate to gate. have a little coding done so nothing can warp closer then 15km around the gate. boom voila done.
Have you ever done any pirating lol?
trust me i had to make bm`s for the systems i hunt in just to chase ppl. Frankyl its retared. theyve caused 0.0 to be safe. which it isnt supposed to be.
can i ask you something can u seriously not read or are you actually wee-toded.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:23:00 -
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odet u need to just stop posting now.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:23:00 -
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odet u need to just stop posting now.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Edited by: Galk on 26/08/2004 17:14:21
Greifing in 0.0
Can i fall of my chair laughing now....
Edit... OMG i just saw your sig... WOW!
depends what you call griefing.
killing for no reason, aka no ransom no nothing killing just to kill, thats is greifing.
Ranosming, killing for a purpose. not griefing.
so whatevr u consider it.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:24:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Galk
Edited by: Galk on 26/08/2004 17:14:21
Greifing in 0.0
Can i fall of my chair laughing now....
Edit... OMG i just saw your sig... WOW!
depends what you call griefing.
killing for no reason, aka no ransom no nothing killing just to kill, thats is greifing.
Ranosming, killing for a purpose. not griefing.
so whatevr u consider it.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:25:00 -
[39]
Originally by: fairimear
odet u need to just stop posting now.
u going to cry now?
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:25:00 -
[40]
Originally by: fairimear
odet u need to just stop posting now.
u going to cry now?
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Galk
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:28:00 -
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Ransom in 0.0
Man thats horible...
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Galk
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:28:00 -
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Ransom in 0.0
Man thats horible...
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Turyleon Caddarn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 26/08/2004 17:35:01
Originally by: Odet
Originally by: Turyleon Caddarn
Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 26/08/2004 16:49:03
Originally by: Odet
Work as a team? mmmm F* that I like to work solo a lot and or in small groups. So therefore setting up a mobile isnt really an option.
if you arent prepared to work in a team, then i have no sympathy for you. stop whining.
tury. shhhhh.
Speak only if you know what you are talking about.
kthnxdie
I dont tell yu how to play the game dont tell me how i should. Now be a good noobcake and know your role, and try and see a point of view other then your own. I stated that in my initial post. you clearly werent thnking before posting or taking into account any other view besides your own.
ughhh.... dealing with a genius here..
ooo, a smacktalker.
the mood of your rant is the same as the people that said npc hunting solo is difficult because of the inties, and the drone nerf. the ccp stance on this is simple - play in groups, mixed fleets, this is what they have been tryin gto push people into for as long as i can remember.
just remember, although miners can make a crap load of money mining in 0.0, they still need protection from the bs rats, they have to work in a team (unless they ninja mine of course).
mobile warp disruptors, thats the way around insta jumps (although admitttidly, not instadock - but we arent talking about that), just in the same way secure containers are the way around ore theives. you have the tools, use them. you dont like them? or are too cheap to buy them? or are too impatient o wait for them to activate? then dont ****ing moan when people get past you.
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Turyleon Caddarn
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 26/08/2004 17:35:01
Originally by: Odet
Originally by: Turyleon Caddarn
Edited by: Turyleon Caddarn on 26/08/2004 16:49:03
Originally by: Odet
Work as a team? mmmm F* that I like to work solo a lot and or in small groups. So therefore setting up a mobile isnt really an option.
if you arent prepared to work in a team, then i have no sympathy for you. stop whining.
tury. shhhhh.
Speak only if you know what you are talking about.
kthnxdie
I dont tell yu how to play the game dont tell me how i should. Now be a good noobcake and know your role, and try and see a point of view other then your own. I stated that in my initial post. you clearly werent thnking before posting or taking into account any other view besides your own.
ughhh.... dealing with a genius here..
ooo, a smacktalker.
the mood of your rant is the same as the people that said npc hunting solo is difficult because of the inties, and the drone nerf. the ccp stance on this is simple - play in groups, mixed fleets, this is what they have been tryin gto push people into for as long as i can remember.
just remember, although miners can make a crap load of money mining in 0.0, they still need protection from the bs rats, they have to work in a team (unless they ninja mine of course).
mobile warp disruptors, thats the way around insta jumps (although admitttidly, not instadock - but we arent talking about that), just in the same way secure containers are the way around ore theives. you have the tools, use them. you dont like them? or are too cheap to buy them? or are too impatient o wait for them to activate? then dont ****ing moan when people get past you.
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Lustralis on 26/08/2004 17:39:22
Whaaaaa, whaaaaa (etc.). No, I don't think instas between gates in 0.0 should be removed. This is one of the dumbest ideas I ever heard. Reason? Most people don't use instas to avoid pirates, they use them because travel times in anything other than a nifty frig with MWD is just unbearable. If you want instas removed, then you have to (1) increase basic velocity of all ships (by a factor of 2) OR (2) make the jump in distance more like 5km than 15km. I have to make over 70 jumps to get up into empire and back and quite frankly, if I didn't have instas I would probably loose the will to live (ie. play Eve).
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Lustralis on 26/08/2004 17:39:22
Whaaaaa, whaaaaa (etc.). No, I don't think instas between gates in 0.0 should be removed. This is one of the dumbest ideas I ever heard. Reason? Most people don't use instas to avoid pirates, they use them because travel times in anything other than a nifty frig with MWD is just unbearable. If you want instas removed, then you have to (1) increase basic velocity of all ships (by a factor of 2) OR (2) make the jump in distance more like 5km than 15km. I have to make over 70 jumps to get up into empire and back and quite frankly, if I didn't have instas I would probably loose the will to live (ie. play Eve).
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:36:00 -
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Why remove insta-jump bm's from 0.0 space?
0.0 space is least affected by insta-bm's because you can place warp disruptor fields to prevent them.
If you'd said "Remove insta-bm's from Empire Space", I'm sure many more people would agree with you.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:36:00 -
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Why remove insta-jump bm's from 0.0 space?
0.0 space is least affected by insta-bm's because you can place warp disruptor fields to prevent them.
If you'd said "Remove insta-bm's from Empire Space", I'm sure many more people would agree with you.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Moneta
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Why remove insta-jump bm's from 0.0 space?
0.0 space is least affected by insta-bm's because you can place warp disruptor fields to prevent them.
If you'd said "Remove insta-bm's from Empire Space", I'm sure many more people would agree with you.
Read his first post. He's too lazy to use mobiles
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Iv held back from posting on this thread for quite some time, but i think the time had come for me to come in and post.
Aneu
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Moneta
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Why remove insta-jump bm's from 0.0 space?
0.0 space is least affected by insta-bm's because you can place warp disruptor fields to prevent them.
If you'd said "Remove insta-bm's from Empire Space", I'm sure many more people would agree with you.
Read his first post. He's too lazy to use mobiles
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Iv held back from posting on this thread for quite some time, but i think the time had come for me to come in and post.
Aneu
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Clyde Barrow
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:56:00 -
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Warp Disruptors take time to deploy.
They need to be protected.
They cost a lot of money.
They aint 100% reliable.
CCP please ban insta-jumps beacaue I'm a lazy pirate with no friends and I absolutely positivley do NOT want to risk losing my warp distruptor should those incomming ships be an anti-pirate corp.
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Clyde Barrow
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Posted - 2004.08.26 17:56:00 -
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Warp Disruptors take time to deploy.
They need to be protected.
They cost a lot of money.
They aint 100% reliable.
CCP please ban insta-jumps beacaue I'm a lazy pirate with no friends and I absolutely positivley do NOT want to risk losing my warp distruptor should those incomming ships be an anti-pirate corp.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
THEN I guess that U HAVE FOUND YOUR OWN SOLUTION... get an warp disruptor and work with ur pirate team and stop complaining.
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Thyro
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
THEN I guess that U HAVE FOUND YOUR OWN SOLUTION... get an warp disruptor and work with ur pirate team and stop complaining.
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Fidel Trelawny
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Clyde Barrow
Warp Disruptors take time to deploy.
They need to be protected.
They cost a lot of money.
They aint 100% reliable.
CCP please ban insta-jumps beacaue I'm a lazy pirate with no friends and I absolutely positivley do NOT want to risk losing my warp distruptor should those incomming ships be an anti-pirate corp.
sometimes i wonder if those that want nothing but killing others, should go back to counterstrike.
its allways
Remove instas we cant catch ppl
Nerf cloak we cant see them.
remove this
my guns cant hit at 500km
allways i see threads made by gankers/grifers, that want everything served 10km in front of them.
all i have to say to this is: pirates/gankers/griefers adjust or leave its that simple, and if u cant afford a mobile warp disrupter in the first place, ur are better of mining veldspar.
i too hunt for ppl once in a while, and i enjoy the chase both when i try to stop ppl or they try to stop me, and ill tell u this it beat waiting at a gate. |
Fidel Trelawny
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Clyde Barrow
Warp Disruptors take time to deploy.
They need to be protected.
They cost a lot of money.
They aint 100% reliable.
CCP please ban insta-jumps beacaue I'm a lazy pirate with no friends and I absolutely positivley do NOT want to risk losing my warp distruptor should those incomming ships be an anti-pirate corp.
sometimes i wonder if those that want nothing but killing others, should go back to counterstrike.
its allways
Remove instas we cant catch ppl
Nerf cloak we cant see them.
remove this
my guns cant hit at 500km
allways i see threads made by gankers/grifers, that want everything served 10km in front of them.
all i have to say to this is: pirates/gankers/griefers adjust or leave its that simple, and if u cant afford a mobile warp disrupter in the first place, ur are better of mining veldspar.
i too hunt for ppl once in a while, and i enjoy the chase both when i try to stop ppl or they try to stop me, and ill tell u this it beat waiting at a gate. |
Nesthenia
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
You are a total tard.
Don't come to the forums asking devs to make it easier for you to gank other players.
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Nesthenia
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
You are a total tard.
Don't come to the forums asking devs to make it easier for you to gank other players.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 26/08/2004 18:40:19
Eliminating instas in 0.0 space was proposed, and people went ballistic. The simple reason is that 99% of gates in 0.0 are not camped by anyone. And most of the trips in 0.0 for ANYTHING are 10 or more jumps long. Instas are needed in 0.0 worse than in empire, just to avoid being bored senseless while travelling.
If you want to ransom people solo, you are much better off belt hopping in popular mining or NPCing systems. This is more like classic piracy in any case, searching for good targets and striking when the moment is right.
BW
Edit: My spelling and diction :/
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Bobby Wilson on 26/08/2004 18:40:19
Eliminating instas in 0.0 space was proposed, and people went ballistic. The simple reason is that 99% of gates in 0.0 are not camped by anyone. And most of the trips in 0.0 for ANYTHING are 10 or more jumps long. Instas are needed in 0.0 worse than in empire, just to avoid being bored senseless while travelling.
If you want to ransom people solo, you are much better off belt hopping in popular mining or NPCing systems. This is more like classic piracy in any case, searching for good targets and striking when the moment is right.
BW
Edit: My spelling and diction :/
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
Where did i say all bookmarks? would you like to point that out for me plz.
I mean have prevent insta jumps from gate to gate. have a little coding done so nothing can warp closer then 15km around the gate. boom voila done.
Have you ever done any pirating lol?
trust me i had to make bm`s for the systems i hunt in just to chase ppl. Frankyl its retared. theyve caused 0.0 to be safe. which it isnt supposed to be.
can i ask you something can u seriously not read or are you actually wee-toded.
LOL you are such a funny person! You should perhaps info me ingame before you go asking if I am a pirate. And as for making bookmarks I have made plenty. Your idea of stopping people from warping within 15km of a gate is, again, badly thought out. What happens with gangs? Your gangmate is under attafck and you all warp to him, unfortunately (with your suggestion) you can't because the warp would leave you within 15km of a gate.
And stop with the personal comments about my level of inteligence or this highly mmensely articulate thread of yours will be locked by an admin.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.08.26 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Odet
Where did i say all bookmarks? would you like to point that out for me plz.
I mean have prevent insta jumps from gate to gate. have a little coding done so nothing can warp closer then 15km around the gate. boom voila done.
Have you ever done any pirating lol?
trust me i had to make bm`s for the systems i hunt in just to chase ppl. Frankyl its retared. theyve caused 0.0 to be safe. which it isnt supposed to be.
can i ask you something can u seriously not read or are you actually wee-toded.
LOL you are such a funny person! You should perhaps info me ingame before you go asking if I am a pirate. And as for making bookmarks I have made plenty. Your idea of stopping people from warping within 15km of a gate is, again, badly thought out. What happens with gangs? Your gangmate is under attafck and you all warp to him, unfortunately (with your suggestion) you can't because the warp would leave you within 15km of a gate.
And stop with the personal comments about my level of inteligence or this highly mmensely articulate thread of yours will be locked by an admin.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:07:00 -
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rofl its the carebear revolution
Bring it children
learnz to reedz, solo pirating is practically dead.
now go hug some veld roids and let the big kids play.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:07:00 -
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rofl its the carebear revolution
Bring it children
learnz to reedz, solo pirating is practically dead.
now go hug some veld roids and let the big kids play.
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EvilGriff
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:08:00 -
[65]
LOL
Wasnt going to post but couldnt resist, 1 this topic is completly idiotic as it has allready been said. 2 back in beta, we made instas mainly for mineing use, then things changed, behold the gate camper. how do you bypass a camper well use instas. Ok so to some it up its cause of gate camping instas have become such a big deal and used by all and now gate campers what to complain? GET A LIFE
To a large degree its you gate campers fault that instas are used so much so if ya want to whine to somebody go look in the mirror thats the source of your problems.
Just my 2 cents
Have a Nice Day
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EvilGriff
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:08:00 -
[66]
LOL
Wasnt going to post but couldnt resist, 1 this topic is completly idiotic as it has allready been said. 2 back in beta, we made instas mainly for mineing use, then things changed, behold the gate camper. how do you bypass a camper well use instas. Ok so to some it up its cause of gate camping instas have become such a big deal and used by all and now gate campers what to complain? GET A LIFE
To a large degree its you gate campers fault that instas are used so much so if ya want to whine to somebody go look in the mirror thats the source of your problems.
Just my 2 cents
Have a Nice Day
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:09:00 -
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all you ppl want. is to be able to go out into the most dangerous parts of space make billions and go back home safely with out risk.
welll... go play simcity
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:09:00 -
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all you ppl want. is to be able to go out into the most dangerous parts of space make billions and go back home safely with out risk.
welll... go play simcity
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:14:00 -
[69]
Originally by: EvilGriff
LOL
Wasnt going to post but couldnt resist, 1 this topic is completly idiotic as it has allready been said. 2 back in beta, we made instas mainly for mineing use, then things changed, behold the gate camper. how do you bypass a camper well use instas. Ok so to some it up its cause of gate camping instas have become such a big deal and used by all and now gate campers what to complain? GET A LIFE
To a large degree its you gate campers fault that instas are used so much so if ya want to whine to somebody go look in the mirror thats the source of your problems.
Just my 2 cents
Have a Nice Day
Gate camping is one of the best sources of income as a pirate. and when ccp created this wonderful game that was always an idea is to have pirates toll ppl and yes camp gates.
Ransoming ships in empire great for the first while till u cant eneter empire.
yes completely idiotic topic... but when u post athread about veldsparr ill tell you the same thing. umm yeah ok im done here thnx. gimmeh a cally when u grow up and mature a little 
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:14:00 -
[70]
Originally by: EvilGriff
LOL
Wasnt going to post but couldnt resist, 1 this topic is completly idiotic as it has allready been said. 2 back in beta, we made instas mainly for mineing use, then things changed, behold the gate camper. how do you bypass a camper well use instas. Ok so to some it up its cause of gate camping instas have become such a big deal and used by all and now gate campers what to complain? GET A LIFE
To a large degree its you gate campers fault that instas are used so much so if ya want to whine to somebody go look in the mirror thats the source of your problems.
Just my 2 cents
Have a Nice Day
Gate camping is one of the best sources of income as a pirate. and when ccp created this wonderful game that was always an idea is to have pirates toll ppl and yes camp gates.
Ransoming ships in empire great for the first while till u cant eneter empire.
yes completely idiotic topic... but when u post athread about veldsparr ill tell you the same thing. umm yeah ok im done here thnx. gimmeh a cally when u grow up and mature a little
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:20:00 -
[71]
Odet if you remove BM's from 0.0 who are you going to gank? "carebears" wont go out there... Not to mention the vast amount of time being added to travel 120 jumps to distination. So leave them in and catch the unlucky ones when you can other wise I can sell you some miner I's real cheap
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:20:00 -
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Odet if you remove BM's from 0.0 who are you going to gank? "carebears" wont go out there... Not to mention the vast amount of time being added to travel 120 jumps to distination. So leave them in and catch the unlucky ones when you can other wise I can sell you some miner I's real cheap
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:24:00 -
[73]
Look at my sig real close odet....see where you profesion falls in the features of eve?
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:24:00 -
[74]
Look at my sig real close odet....see where you profesion falls in the features of eve?
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box and from this site.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:27:00 -
[75]
nope the ppl that go there are the ppl who supply all the high end minerals and named loot. And the less ppl use instas the less ppl there will eb in 0.0.
since there will alwayz be a need for highend minerals and a demand for named items there will always be a nice flow of ppl to go to 0.0.
95% or so ppl use instas so u only catch 5% of ppl.
even with less ppl in 0.0 and no instas you will be able to catch more ppl.
if u know what i mean.
no thnx, i dont mine, im doing pirating and i alwayz will eb no matter how hard the going gets.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:27:00 -
[76]
nope the ppl that go there are the ppl who supply all the high end minerals and named loot. And the less ppl use instas the less ppl there will eb in 0.0.
since there will alwayz be a need for highend minerals and a demand for named items there will always be a nice flow of ppl to go to 0.0.
95% or so ppl use instas so u only catch 5% of ppl.
even with less ppl in 0.0 and no instas you will be able to catch more ppl.
if u know what i mean.
no thnx, i dont mine, im doing pirating and i alwayz will eb no matter how hard the going gets.
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:28:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Roshan longshot
Look at my sig real close odet....see where you profesion falls in the features of eve?
what u want a medal or something?
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:28:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Roshan longshot
Look at my sig real close odet....see where you profesion falls in the features of eve?
what u want a medal or something?
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:35:00 -
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Odet you say you are a princess of syndicate? i think i have seen one of your 3 member corp in syndicate. i spend most everyday running around catching JQA or 3rd front and the occasional random and i have no problems catching people.
you;re obviously not doing it right - jump in a frigate and get them, dont sit in your BS and gank them.
Come to M2-CF1 and i'll be happy to show you how it is done
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Ifni
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:35:00 -
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Odet you say you are a princess of syndicate? i think i have seen one of your 3 member corp in syndicate. i spend most everyday running around catching JQA or 3rd front and the occasional random and i have no problems catching people.
you;re obviously not doing it right - jump in a frigate and get them, dont sit in your BS and gank them.
Come to M2-CF1 and i'll be happy to show you how it is done
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:42:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Ifni
Odet you say you are a princess of syndicate? i think i have seen one of your 3 member corp in syndicate. i spend most everyday running around catching JQA or 3rd front and the occasional random and i have no problems catching people.
you;re obviously not doing it right - jump in a frigate and get them, dont sit in your BS and gank them.
Come to M2-CF1 and i'll be happy to show you how it is done
Lol actually ive been in my taranis for the last 2 weeks but thnx for assuming all pirate camp gate with bs`s and wear eye patches.
In my 3 person corp only i am active, so ehy am i in my own corp? hangar space i do what i like no politics. When i feel like rolling with ppl i usually roll with mercenary forces or moo. Trust me i get plenty kills. So come on over ill show you the quickest way to your clonning station
nyhoo smack mode OFF
lets all hold hands
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:42:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Ifni
Odet you say you are a princess of syndicate? i think i have seen one of your 3 member corp in syndicate. i spend most everyday running around catching JQA or 3rd front and the occasional random and i have no problems catching people.
you;re obviously not doing it right - jump in a frigate and get them, dont sit in your BS and gank them.
Come to M2-CF1 and i'll be happy to show you how it is done
Lol actually ive been in my taranis for the last 2 weeks but thnx for assuming all pirate camp gate with bs`s and wear eye patches.
In my 3 person corp only i am active, so ehy am i in my own corp? hangar space i do what i like no politics. When i feel like rolling with ppl i usually roll with mercenary forces or moo. Trust me i get plenty kills. So come on over ill show you the quickest way to your clonning station
nyhoo smack mode OFF
lets all hold hands
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M3RC3NARY
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:59:00 -
[83]
why should insta jumps be removed in 0.0 ???, if they do then it just makes it alot easier for gate campers to kill people approaching the gate, and if they arent removed then then they cant kill em. So either u are happy or they are happy. So it is impossible to be fair to both people |
M3RC3NARY
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:59:00 -
[84]
why should insta jumps be removed in 0.0 ???, if they do then it just makes it alot easier for gate campers to kill people approaching the gate, and if they arent removed then then they cant kill em. So either u are happy or they are happy. So it is impossible to be fair to both people |
Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:19:00 -
[85]
ok why is it fair that total noobs can go into 0.0 make billions risk free?
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:19:00 -
[86]
ok why is it fair that total noobs can go into 0.0 make billions risk free?
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:35:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Lifewire on 26/08/2004 20:38:02
Instajumps = less pvp
simple thing!
People that want less pvp want instajumps
simple thing, too!
People that want more pvp want em removed
also simple!
0.0 is for pvp-players, remove instas! (This has been said 1000 times before but CCP has full trousers that the pirates will kill all traffic)
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:35:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Lifewire on 26/08/2004 20:38:02
Instajumps = less pvp
simple thing!
People that want less pvp want instajumps
simple thing, too!
People that want more pvp want em removed
also simple!
0.0 is for pvp-players, remove instas! (This has been said 1000 times before but CCP has full trousers that the pirates will kill all traffic)
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:42:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Lifewire
Edited by: Lifewire on 26/08/2004 20:38:02
Instajumps = less pvp
simple thing!
People that want less pvp want instajumps
simple thing, too!
People that want more pvp want em removed
also simple!
0.0 is for pvp-players, remove instas! (This has been said 1000 times before but CCP has full trousers that the pirates will kill all traffic)
w0rd
=This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.= |
Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:42:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Lifewire
Edited by: Lifewire on 26/08/2004 20:38:02
Instajumps = less pvp
simple thing!
People that want less pvp want instajumps
simple thing, too!
People that want more pvp want em removed
also simple!
0.0 is for pvp-players, remove instas! (This has been said 1000 times before but CCP has full trousers that the pirates will kill all traffic)
w0rd
=This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.= |
Cam Zel
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:50:00 -
[91]
Odet, why exactly won't/can't you use a warp distruptor to catch insta-jump pilots? Thats what they're for? and I've seen it done.
I'm curious to know why some campers use them to good effect, and some refuse to use them at all - preferring the removal of bms instead.
Don't take this as a flame. I'd genuinley like to know. 
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Cam Zel
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:50:00 -
[92]
Odet, why exactly won't/can't you use a warp distruptor to catch insta-jump pilots? Thats what they're for? and I've seen it done.
I'm curious to know why some campers use them to good effect, and some refuse to use them at all - preferring the removal of bms instead.
Don't take this as a flame. I'd genuinley like to know.
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Weatherman Dan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:58:00 -
[93]
I can attest to the fact that trying to mine in 0.0 is far from risk-free, even with instas. I made the mistake of trying to mine in Tribute. Since the nearest station that I could refine at (not going to say the system) was taken over by a pirate corp that simply refused to allow me to dock, I had to refine at a system 9 jumps away. Unfortunately, that system was an empire system, and the 0.0 system immediately outside of that is perpetually gate-camped by the local destroy-anything-that-moves corp. I had instas set up between the refining station and my mining system, and even with those, I still got podded about 4 times before I finally gave up and headed back to empire (going to try another region of 0.0 soon). I always got podded just after jumping into the camped system and trying to warp to the next gate. Because it takes at least 5 seconds to go into warp with my hauler, I had absolutely no chance with 5 BS's there warp-scrambling me and shooting at me. By the way, once when getting podded one of the attackers used that chat invitation trick to try to keep me from warping out, so don't tell me that pirates don't have their little "dubious" tactics too. Of course, I should have remembered to check the auto-reject all chat invitations button. Not to mention the fact that the belts in 0.0 are littered with huge rats so that you have to be on your toes constantly when mining out there. No risk, hah! Give me a break.... 
Note, I am not bashing the player pirate portion of the game, just calling attention to the fact that 0.0 mining is not made risk-free by insta-jumps. I see it is a tactic to lesson what otherwise would be a nearly impossible task in some regions of 0.0. So, I would suggest pirates do the same and try to find new tactics of their own instead of complaining about it. Need I mention that you need the zydrine and megacyte that these players are mining and selling from their 0.0 operations in order to have your nice shiny Apoc with which to gank said miners?
P.S. Group mining in 0.0 is arguably an even riskier venture since it makes a nice blob on the map which alerts the local-gank squad to your presence much more so than a solo miner. So we all do what we can to survive
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Weatherman Dan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:58:00 -
[94]
I can attest to the fact that trying to mine in 0.0 is far from risk-free, even with instas. I made the mistake of trying to mine in Tribute. Since the nearest station that I could refine at (not going to say the system) was taken over by a pirate corp that simply refused to allow me to dock, I had to refine at a system 9 jumps away. Unfortunately, that system was an empire system, and the 0.0 system immediately outside of that is perpetually gate-camped by the local destroy-anything-that-moves corp. I had instas set up between the refining station and my mining system, and even with those, I still got podded about 4 times before I finally gave up and headed back to empire (going to try another region of 0.0 soon). I always got podded just after jumping into the camped system and trying to warp to the next gate. Because it takes at least 5 seconds to go into warp with my hauler, I had absolutely no chance with 5 BS's there warp-scrambling me and shooting at me. By the way, once when getting podded one of the attackers used that chat invitation trick to try to keep me from warping out, so don't tell me that pirates don't have their little "dubious" tactics too. Of course, I should have remembered to check the auto-reject all chat invitations button. Not to mention the fact that the belts in 0.0 are littered with huge rats so that you have to be on your toes constantly when mining out there. No risk, hah! Give me a break....
Note, I am not bashing the player pirate portion of the game, just calling attention to the fact that 0.0 mining is not made risk-free by insta-jumps. I see it is a tactic to lesson what otherwise would be a nearly impossible task in some regions of 0.0. So, I would suggest pirates do the same and try to find new tactics of their own instead of complaining about it. Need I mention that you need the zydrine and megacyte that these players are mining and selling from their 0.0 operations in order to have your nice shiny Apoc with which to gank said miners?
P.S. Group mining in 0.0 is arguably an even riskier venture since it makes a nice blob on the map which alerts the local-gank squad to your presence much more so than a solo miner. So we all do what we can to survive
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Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:59:00 -
[95]
np cam. well as we both clearly know it was never intended for 0.0 to be safe. but becasue of the wide use of this it has made pirating yet again even harder. Every nerf i see 90% of the time it seems to have a negative effect on pirating. And i understand balance and all that but, pirating is another profesion that creates a balance in the game, but we seem to get the most flak for it aswell.
Anyhoo setting up a mobile warp means u need a team to protect it. Even if you do get a team, the mobile isnt 100% not even close. in the good ol days ppl actauuly traveled to the gates. which imo was much better balanced then it is now. Because 0.0 isnt supposed to eb safe and it never was. but because of the BMS it is now a joke.
and ty for asking, instead of flamming like the tools earlier
=This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.= |
Odet
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Posted - 2004.08.26 20:59:00 -
[96]
np cam. well as we both clearly know it was never intended for 0.0 to be safe. but becasue of the wide use of this it has made pirating yet again even harder. Every nerf i see 90% of the time it seems to have a negative effect on pirating. And i understand balance and all that but, pirating is another profesion that creates a balance in the game, but we seem to get the most flak for it aswell.
Anyhoo setting up a mobile warp means u need a team to protect it. Even if you do get a team, the mobile isnt 100% not even close. in the good ol days ppl actauuly traveled to the gates. which imo was much better balanced then it is now. Because 0.0 isnt supposed to eb safe and it never was. but because of the BMS it is now a joke.
and ty for asking, instead of flamming like the tools earlier
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:09:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Lifewire
Instajumps = less pvp simple thing!
People that want less pvp want instajumps
simple thing, too!
People that want more pvp want em removed
also simple!
0.0 is for pvp-players, remove instas! (This has been said 1000 times before but CCP has full trousers that the pirates will kill all traffic)
You used the word simple a lot, which explains why your solution is a tad simplistic. Removing instas entirely is a blunt solution and wouldn't be worth the tradeoff. If gate campers don't want to use smartbombs, push for something like instajumps being rejected at the 15 KM mark if another ship in a 0.0 system is within 30 KM of the gate.
That would make you pirates happy, while still keeping full-time residents of 0.0 from being bored insane by the huge majority of systems we pass through that are either dead empty or not currently camped. No reason to nerf instas on all warps, all you want is for them not to work when a gate is camped. Seems a fair compromise to me, although again a medium warp disruptor does the job pretty well too and was I believe CCP's solution to the insta-jump, PvP issue.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:09:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Lifewire
Instajumps = less pvp simple thing!
People that want less pvp want instajumps
simple thing, too!
People that want more pvp want em removed
also simple!
0.0 is for pvp-players, remove instas! (This has been said 1000 times before but CCP has full trousers that the pirates will kill all traffic)
You used the word simple a lot, which explains why your solution is a tad simplistic. Removing instas entirely is a blunt solution and wouldn't be worth the tradeoff. If gate campers don't want to use smartbombs, push for something like instajumps being rejected at the 15 KM mark if another ship in a 0.0 system is within 30 KM of the gate.
That would make you pirates happy, while still keeping full-time residents of 0.0 from being bored insane by the huge majority of systems we pass through that are either dead empty or not currently camped. No reason to nerf instas on all warps, all you want is for them not to work when a gate is camped. Seems a fair compromise to me, although again a medium warp disruptor does the job pretty well too and was I believe CCP's solution to the insta-jump, PvP issue.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Shadukar
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:21:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
Can't resist the urge to flame....
look you tool, Making Bms in 0.0 is a perfectly legic tactic if you cant see that too bad. But to be honest the last thing i want to do is warp to a gate and then have to fly 15km to it to jump. why you might ask Oh i don't know Maybe because that Player rat in a scorp that just wants to gank some one to make himself feel all giddy inside is camping the gate. If anything they should remove gate camping. God knows is exploited to extremes any way. Don't complain because your kills get away. jesus next some one will complain about frigates being to fast when they are webed.
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Shadukar
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:21:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
Can't resist the urge to flame....
look you tool, Making Bms in 0.0 is a perfectly legic tactic if you cant see that too bad. But to be honest the last thing i want to do is warp to a gate and then have to fly 15km to it to jump. why you might ask Oh i don't know Maybe because that Player rat in a scorp that just wants to gank some one to make himself feel all giddy inside is camping the gate. If anything they should remove gate camping. God knows is exploited to extremes any way. Don't complain because your kills get away. jesus next some one will complain about frigates being to fast when they are webed.
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Cam Zel
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:31:00 -
[101]
As a compromise, why now allow people to use insta-jumps when no other pilot is in the vicinity of a 0.0 gate. But if a pilot is at a 0.0 gate, make any incomming ships drop out of warp 15kms away.
It makes no sense to ban insta-jumping through gates that aint camped.
Alternatively, make warp distruptors cheaper, more expendable, and 100% reliable at pulling passing ships out of warp?
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Cam Zel
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:31:00 -
[102]
As a compromise, why now allow people to use insta-jumps when no other pilot is in the vicinity of a 0.0 gate. But if a pilot is at a 0.0 gate, make any incomming ships drop out of warp 15kms away.
It makes no sense to ban insta-jumping through gates that aint camped.
Alternatively, make warp distruptors cheaper, more expendable, and 100% reliable at pulling passing ships out of warp?
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methuselah
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:51:00 -
[103]
The problem is not instajumps, it is warping. You can't attack someone in warp! CCP pls remove warping
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methuselah
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:51:00 -
[104]
The problem is not instajumps, it is warping. You can't attack someone in warp! CCP pls remove warping
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Venna
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:52:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Odet
ok why is it fair that total noobs can go into 0.0 make billions risk free?
They don't. Player pirates with any skill whatsoever are able to take down instajumpers. NPC rats also will kill "total noobs" in 0.0 space.
Originally by: Odet
all you ppl want. is to be able to go out into the most dangerous parts of space make billions and go back home safely with out risk.
welll... go play simcity
You're a tuber. Just because you suck at pirating doesn't mean CCP needs to dumb down the game for you. You should be the one playing simcity.
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Venna
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:52:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Odet
ok why is it fair that total noobs can go into 0.0 make billions risk free?
They don't. Player pirates with any skill whatsoever are able to take down instajumpers. NPC rats also will kill "total noobs" in 0.0 space.
Originally by: Odet
all you ppl want. is to be able to go out into the most dangerous parts of space make billions and go back home safely with out risk.
welll... go play simcity
You're a tuber. Just because you suck at pirating doesn't mean CCP needs to dumb down the game for you. You should be the one playing simcity.
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Amthor
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:02:00 -
[107]
Odet,
No need to remove Insta jumps. Here is the solution..
ready?
1. Have the gate "drift" within a 10-15km range with a special device, much like a mobile warp disruptor.
2. Have another device that knocks your nav system off by a hair when it scans that part of the system upon entering (say around 30km radias from the device) (pilot in system that had the correct coords before the device was setup might have a chance but that up to the GM's)
This way, we all keep our instas as it should be but gives you the time/space that you need to do your deed.
Your thoughs?
Amthor
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor. |
Amthor
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:02:00 -
[108]
Odet,
No need to remove Insta jumps. Here is the solution..
ready?
1. Have the gate "drift" within a 10-15km range with a special device, much like a mobile warp disruptor.
2. Have another device that knocks your nav system off by a hair when it scans that part of the system upon entering (say around 30km radias from the device) (pilot in system that had the correct coords before the device was setup might have a chance but that up to the GM's)
This way, we all keep our instas as it should be but gives you the time/space that you need to do your deed.
Your thoughs?
Amthor
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor. |
Amthor
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:30:00 -
[109]
Originally by: methuselah
The problem is not instajumps, it is warping. You can't attack someone in warp! CCP pls remove warping
Haha, yeah that about sums it up.
But I heard it might be possible to smartbomb someone in the same warp tunnel
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor. |
Amthor
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:30:00 -
[110]
Originally by: methuselah
The problem is not instajumps, it is warping. You can't attack someone in warp! CCP pls remove warping
Haha, yeah that about sums it up.
But I heard it might be possible to smartbomb someone in the same warp tunnel
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant "If I live, I will kill you, if I die, you are forgiven." Such is the rule of honor. |
Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:46:00 -
[111]
Remove instas and give us a lot more ways to go to 0.0 or just have Concord kill everyone not a part of the alliance currently laying claim to the region you're about to enter.
Convert Stations
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:46:00 -
[112]
Remove instas and give us a lot more ways to go to 0.0 or just have Concord kill everyone not a part of the alliance currently laying claim to the region you're about to enter.
Convert Stations
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.08.26 23:23:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Lifewire
Edited by: Lifewire on 26/08/2004 20:38:02
Instajumps = less pvp
simple thing!
People that want less pvp want instajumps
simple thing, too!
People that want more pvp want em removed
also simple!
0.0 is for pvp-players, remove instas! (This has been said 1000 times before but CCP has full trousers that the pirates will kill all traffic)
No Insta-jumps = No PvP in 0.0.
No one will form up for a fleet battle if it's more than a handful of jumps without bookmarks. It'll take too long, and you'll lose half your fleet straggling behind after 2 jumps.
Removing them kills almost all combat in 0.0 space.
People who want PvP don't always want them removed. People who want an easy target do.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2004.08.26 23:23:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Lifewire
Edited by: Lifewire on 26/08/2004 20:38:02
Instajumps = less pvp
simple thing!
People that want less pvp want instajumps
simple thing, too!
People that want more pvp want em removed
also simple!
0.0 is for pvp-players, remove instas! (This has been said 1000 times before but CCP has full trousers that the pirates will kill all traffic)
No Insta-jumps = No PvP in 0.0.
No one will form up for a fleet battle if it's more than a handful of jumps without bookmarks. It'll take too long, and you'll lose half your fleet straggling behind after 2 jumps.
Removing them kills almost all combat in 0.0 space.
People who want PvP don't always want them removed. People who want an easy target do.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.27 00:28:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Wild Rho on 27/08/2004 00:30:41
Im still kinda amazed at how quickly ppl add the tags greifers and carebears to ppl.
Ppl who spend all their time in empire are commericalists for the most part, there isnt any law that says they MUST go into 0.0.
Ppl who shoot other ships aren't greifers. They are either pirates or mauraders.
Carebears want a game mechanic changes to suit their personal ends regardless of how bad it affects game balance and basically want things their own way and want it NOW.
Greifers will use any loophole or exploit to ruin somones gameplay for the sheer pleasure of making somone miserable. Shocking as this may seem this does not mean simply shooting somone down becuase they like killing ships isnt griefing. It may not be nice but thats human nature.
As for the instas, I have to agree that simply saying "use disruptors" isnt practical except to fleet assets that can afford to drop the forces needed to defend what is a very expsensive piece of equipment. Again smartbombing gates isnt effective for piracy becuase you destroy the loot and the corpse as well.
And no shuttles and escape pods should be able to fly through 0.0 space with impunity. Theres somthing slighty wrong when an unarmed shuttle or pod can fly through areas with less concern than a group of ships.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.27 00:28:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Wild Rho on 27/08/2004 00:30:41
Im still kinda amazed at how quickly ppl add the tags greifers and carebears to ppl.
Ppl who spend all their time in empire are commericalists for the most part, there isnt any law that says they MUST go into 0.0.
Ppl who shoot other ships aren't greifers. They are either pirates or mauraders.
Carebears want a game mechanic changes to suit their personal ends regardless of how bad it affects game balance and basically want things their own way and want it NOW.
Greifers will use any loophole or exploit to ruin somones gameplay for the sheer pleasure of making somone miserable. Shocking as this may seem this does not mean simply shooting somone down becuase they like killing ships isnt griefing. It may not be nice but thats human nature.
As for the instas, I have to agree that simply saying "use disruptors" isnt practical except to fleet assets that can afford to drop the forces needed to defend what is a very expsensive piece of equipment. Again smartbombing gates isnt effective for piracy becuase you destroy the loot and the corpse as well.
And no shuttles and escape pods should be able to fly through 0.0 space with impunity. Theres somthing slighty wrong when an unarmed shuttle or pod can fly through areas with less concern than a group of ships.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it... |
Lord Frost
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Posted - 2004.08.27 00:35:00 -
[117]
I'll get rid of my insta-jump if you get rid of your lame safe spot you pathetic pirate girly man.
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2004.08.27 00:35:00 -
[118]
I'll get rid of my insta-jump if you get rid of your lame safe spot you pathetic pirate girly man.
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.27 00:49:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Odet
It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors.
No, you just suck. As discussed in my thread in Crime and Punishment a BS with a few large SBs, sitting inside the gate, will instantly kill and pod smaller ship pilots.
I agree with both sides. When camping I find instas to be annoying and I curse them, but when travelling with valuables I use them. I suppose if I just camped one border system all the time and usually went to a planet an logged off and only travelled when I needed to drop loot or pick up ammo I might be totally against instas. But I live deep in 0.0 space, they make things easier for me.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.27 00:49:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Odet
It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors.
No, you just suck. As discussed in my thread in Crime and Punishment a BS with a few large SBs, sitting inside the gate, will instantly kill and pod smaller ship pilots.
I agree with both sides. When camping I find instas to be annoying and I curse them, but when travelling with valuables I use them. I suppose if I just camped one border system all the time and usually went to a planet an logged off and only travelled when I needed to drop loot or pick up ammo I might be totally against instas. But I live deep in 0.0 space, they make things easier for me.
Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000 |
Mujun Kross
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Posted - 2004.08.27 01:14:00 -
[121]
I rip through PF all the time in my super ares and look at you ****ers sitting around waiting for something stupid to happen...I dont use bms so I dont see how removing them is going to make any difference to your cause Odet.
And besides this topic has been kicked to death...leave it alone.
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"Come now, my child, if we were planning to harm you, do you think we'd be lurking here, beside the path, in the very darkest part of the forest?"
-Kenneth Patchen "But Even So" |
Mujun Kross
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Posted - 2004.08.27 01:14:00 -
[122]
I rip through PF all the time in my super ares and look at you ****ers sitting around waiting for something stupid to happen...I dont use bms so I dont see how removing them is going to make any difference to your cause Odet.
And besides this topic has been kicked to death...leave it alone.
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"Come now, my child, if we were planning to harm you, do you think we'd be lurking here, beside the path, in the very darkest part of the forest?"
-Kenneth Patchen "But Even So" |
Armand Trimonte
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Posted - 2004.08.27 01:23:00 -
[123]
I camped a gate for 3 hours today. Out of the 20 people that came through only 7 had insta's. If you want to get passed insta's heres a little secret. Camp the other side. They dont have insta leave bm's. The target still has to align itself with the gate. You wont be able to catch frigs very easy but cruisers, haulers, and battleships are SLOOOOWWWWWW. 
I have a Gallente love slave. |
Armand Trimonte
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Posted - 2004.08.27 01:23:00 -
[124]
I camped a gate for 3 hours today. Out of the 20 people that came through only 7 had insta's. If you want to get passed insta's heres a little secret. Camp the other side. They dont have insta leave bm's. The target still has to align itself with the gate. You wont be able to catch frigs very easy but cruisers, haulers, and battleships are SLOOOOWWWWWW.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.08.27 18:42:00 -
[125]
it's like real life, ppl giving up freedom for security. it's sickening really.
tralala
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.08.27 18:42:00 -
[126]
it's like real life, ppl giving up freedom for security. it's sickening really.
tralala
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.08.27 20:25:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Odet
Originally by: Galk
Edited by: Galk on 26/08/2004 17:14:21
Greifing in 0.0
Can i fall of my chair laughing now....
Edit... OMG i just saw your sig... WOW!
depends what you call griefing.
killing for no reason, aka no ransom no nothing killing just to kill, thats is greifing.
Ranosming, killing for a purpose. not griefing.
so whatevr u consider it.
Then i am a grifer, because i kill anything i can, and im not ransoming, just shooting
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.08.27 20:25:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Odet
Originally by: Galk
Edited by: Galk on 26/08/2004 17:14:21
Greifing in 0.0
Can i fall of my chair laughing now....
Edit... OMG i just saw your sig... WOW!
depends what you call griefing.
killing for no reason, aka no ransom no nothing killing just to kill, thats is greifing.
Ranosming, killing for a purpose. not griefing.
so whatevr u consider it.
Then i am a grifer, because i kill anything i can, and im not ransoming, just shooting
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2004.08.27 21:41:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
what about those of us that have corp wars and such
i would like instas to be done away with, its unlikley to happen after recent debates and ccp consideration, but if they remove one set of instas they remove them all, including empire, if they removed the ones from empire also, would you still think its a good idea? i do
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Posted - 2004.08.27 21:41:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
what about those of us that have corp wars and such
i would like instas to be done away with, its unlikley to happen after recent debates and ccp consideration, but if they remove one set of instas they remove them all, including empire, if they removed the ones from empire also, would you still think its a good idea? i do
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.08.27 21:41:00 -
[131]
it's not killing... it's bringing purpose to the otherwise meaningless existance of clones...
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.08.27 21:41:00 -
[132]
it's not killing... it's bringing purpose to the otherwise meaningless existance of clones...
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Chris Henry
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Posted - 2004.08.28 12:39:00 -
[133]
That's a point that hasn't been made yet on this thread; what about corp/alliance wars? Removing insta's would make it completely impossible to have anyform of tactics at all.
/Corp 1 strikes Station
/Corp 2 sends 1 BS to exit gate
/Corp 1 wins but ships are damaged- retreat back to HQ station at 15km
/Corp 2's Blasterthon omgwtfpwns every cruiser and a couple of BSs that were damaged in the strike. = no1 wins.
I can (slightly) sympathise with the pirates that find it hard to kill at gates. Solution is either warp disruptors, TEAMWORK (don't like this go play Doom 3...) or simply not camping gates for loot. It has been well documented already that the best way to gank insta jumpers is a few large SBs inside the gate, but this blows up the loot as well. Surely if its loot nd named mods u want u should be NPC hunting spawns? That's where the loot comes from, and it's a hell of a lot easier than PvP pirating...
I suppose it could be seen as realistic saying u cant warp anywhere within 15km of a gate (conflicting warp fields or something), but pls Odet think of the consequeces for the thousands of ppl who travel in 0.0 and those in corps.
Pls comment trying not to flame this one...
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Chris Henry
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Posted - 2004.08.28 12:39:00 -
[134]
That's a point that hasn't been made yet on this thread; what about corp/alliance wars? Removing insta's would make it completely impossible to have anyform of tactics at all.
/Corp 1 strikes Station
/Corp 2 sends 1 BS to exit gate
/Corp 1 wins but ships are damaged- retreat back to HQ station at 15km
/Corp 2's Blasterthon omgwtfpwns every cruiser and a couple of BSs that were damaged in the strike. = no1 wins.
I can (slightly) sympathise with the pirates that find it hard to kill at gates. Solution is either warp disruptors, TEAMWORK (don't like this go play Doom 3...) or simply not camping gates for loot. It has been well documented already that the best way to gank insta jumpers is a few large SBs inside the gate, but this blows up the loot as well. Surely if its loot nd named mods u want u should be NPC hunting spawns? That's where the loot comes from, and it's a hell of a lot easier than PvP pirating...
I suppose it could be seen as realistic saying u cant warp anywhere within 15km of a gate (conflicting warp fields or something), but pls Odet think of the consequeces for the thousands of ppl who travel in 0.0 and those in corps.
Pls comment trying not to flame this one...
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.28 12:54:00 -
[135]
My solution is to get rid of Stargates.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.28 12:54:00 -
[136]
My solution is to get rid of Stargates.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.28 12:57:00 -
[137]
On another note, I got past two CA blockades in 0.0 in a Cruiser with mwd and no instas.
I think the lazy people are the ones using instas, not the pirates.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.28 12:57:00 -
[138]
On another note, I got past two CA blockades in 0.0 in a Cruiser with mwd and no instas.
I think the lazy people are the ones using instas, not the pirates.
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ruro
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Posted - 2004.08.28 15:13:00 -
[139]
Originally by: ActiveX
I think the lazy people are the ones using instas, not the pirates.
You're not serious? Instas require effort each jump, infact I'd say it requires more effort than using auto pilot and activating your mwd.
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ruro
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Posted - 2004.08.28 15:13:00 -
[140]
Originally by: ActiveX
I think the lazy people are the ones using instas, not the pirates.
You're not serious? Instas require effort each jump, infact I'd say it requires more effort than using auto pilot and activating your mwd.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.28 15:18:00 -
[141]
Originally by: ruro
Originally by: ActiveX
I think the lazy people are the ones using instas, not the pirates.
You're not serious? Instas require effort each jump, infact I'd say it requires more effort than using auto pilot and activating your mwd.
Its easy to screw up an mwd blockade run. Even a monkey can use an insta.
Sides, any real blockade would block the way to the gate, but CA musta not taken those notes. Obviously instas would bypass that.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.08.28 15:18:00 -
[142]
Originally by: ruro
Originally by: ActiveX
I think the lazy people are the ones using instas, not the pirates.
You're not serious? Instas require effort each jump, infact I'd say it requires more effort than using auto pilot and activating your mwd.
Its easy to screw up an mwd blockade run. Even a monkey can use an insta.
Sides, any real blockade would block the way to the gate, but CA musta not taken those notes. Obviously instas would bypass that.
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Hook1971
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Posted - 2004.08.28 18:18:00 -
[143]
I like the idea of no stargates. Just set your destination on the map and warp. Of course, the further away the system, the longer it would take to get to your destination. But I would like it alot more than going through 20-30 gates to get to were you want to go. Campers would hate this idea. So there needs to be a balance to it. Maybe, make the scanners more powerful. Make it to were you can warp to any object within 20-30 au's, or maybe the entire solar system.
Or:
Get rid of instas, and in return. Make every ship in the game have 2 fitting configurations. 1 for mining and 1 for fighting. That way, a miner could at least defend himself at a gate. Its hard to defend yourself when you have a bunch of Miner 2's fitted. What are you going to do? Mine the pirate to death? Thats one reason miners like instas. Its beacuse they cant fight beacause they have no weapons. And the pirate is loaded up with nothing BUT weapons. Sure you are dead either way if you are outnumbered but I would rather go down Guns a Blazin'
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Hook1971
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Posted - 2004.08.28 18:18:00 -
[144]
I like the idea of no stargates. Just set your destination on the map and warp. Of course, the further away the system, the longer it would take to get to your destination. But I would like it alot more than going through 20-30 gates to get to were you want to go. Campers would hate this idea. So there needs to be a balance to it. Maybe, make the scanners more powerful. Make it to were you can warp to any object within 20-30 au's, or maybe the entire solar system.
Or:
Get rid of instas, and in return. Make every ship in the game have 2 fitting configurations. 1 for mining and 1 for fighting. That way, a miner could at least defend himself at a gate. Its hard to defend yourself when you have a bunch of Miner 2's fitted. What are you going to do? Mine the pirate to death? Thats one reason miners like instas. Its beacuse they cant fight beacause they have no weapons. And the pirate is loaded up with nothing BUT weapons. Sure you are dead either way if you are outnumbered but I would rather go down Guns a Blazin'
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.08.28 18:43:00 -
[145]
Odet you sooo crazy
Keep on gankin!  Arrr
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.08.28 18:43:00 -
[146]
Odet you sooo crazy
Keep on gankin! Arrr
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Funky Monkey
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Posted - 2004.08.28 20:43:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
OK. I have thought about it M8... and I don't see your point. Instajumps make it impossible to stop small ships.. ok and you're point? Use planning... Warp Disruptors set at strategic distances..et al. InstaJumps help the honest folk get past "Ganking Parties" it's bad enough now. For heavens sake would you rather remove the 'BMs' have CCP setup "Ganking Stations" just for you so you could sit all day at strategic gates and merrily pop anyone that suits your fancy?
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Funky Monkey
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Posted - 2004.08.28 20:43:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Odet
Well insta jumps are either loved or hated...
Most of the ppl in empire use them to get around quickly to get their tasks done faster. which I dont see a big problem with.
But where i do see the problem is allowing insta jumps in 0.0 space. It makes it parcatically impossible to stop any frigs,shuttles, or quick ships, without using mobile warp diruptors. Which you would also need a crew to protect the mobile...
0.0 is almost as safe as empire because everyone who enters it alreeady had bookkmarks to anywhere in 0.0.
removing BMS in 0.0 will make 0.0 what it used to be. And keeping them in empire will make it fair for all those ppl thaat want to travel quickly.
Before posting, think about it. And see more then a one sided opinion.
OK. I have thought about it M8... and I don't see your point. Instajumps make it impossible to stop small ships.. ok and you're point? Use planning... Warp Disruptors set at strategic distances..et al. InstaJumps help the honest folk get past "Ganking Parties" it's bad enough now. For heavens sake would you rather remove the 'BMs' have CCP setup "Ganking Stations" just for you so you could sit all day at strategic gates and merrily pop anyone that suits your fancy?
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Tenacha Kahn
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Posted - 2004.08.29 15:35:00 -
[149]
dont take away insta jump bms from 0.0, as some1 laready stated, the majority of gates arent camped and travel through 0.0 is boring and uneventful as it is.
CCP, just fix the warp disrupters so that people dont come out of warp like 100km away from them.
And odet, when you use mobile warp disrupters, ya have to figure the risk reward..kinda like anything else in eve.
And they aint that expensive, i think they are 7mil or so for the small ones which work great for catchin insta jumpers.
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Tenacha Kahn
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Posted - 2004.08.29 15:35:00 -
[150]
dont take away insta jump bms from 0.0, as some1 laready stated, the majority of gates arent camped and travel through 0.0 is boring and uneventful as it is.
CCP, just fix the warp disrupters so that people dont come out of warp like 100km away from them.
And odet, when you use mobile warp disrupters, ya have to figure the risk reward..kinda like anything else in eve.
And they aint that expensive, i think they are 7mil or so for the small ones which work great for catchin insta jumpers.
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Posted - 2004.08.29 15:39:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Armand Trimonte
I camped a gate for 3 hours today. Out of the 20 people that came through only 7 had insta's. If you want to get passed insta's heres a little secret. Camp the other side. They dont have insta leave bm's. The target still has to align itself with the gate. You wont be able to catch frigs very easy but cruisers, haulers, and battleships are SLOOOOWWWWWW.
all the nice things are usually carried in frigs and thats what use pking griefer pirates want
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Tenacha Kahn
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Posted - 2004.08.29 15:39:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Armand Trimonte
I camped a gate for 3 hours today. Out of the 20 people that came through only 7 had insta's. If you want to get passed insta's heres a little secret. Camp the other side. They dont have insta leave bm's. The target still has to align itself with the gate. You wont be able to catch frigs very easy but cruisers, haulers, and battleships are SLOOOOWWWWWW.
all the nice things are usually carried in frigs and thats what use pking griefer pirates want
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Armand Trimonte
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Posted - 2004.08.29 15:50:00 -
[153]
True but I'm not in it for the loot. I'm in it to kill as many CA as possible. :)
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Armand Trimonte
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Posted - 2004.08.29 15:50:00 -
[154]
True but I'm not in it for the loot. I'm in it to kill as many CA as possible. :)
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2004.08.29 16:01:00 -
[155]
Insta jumps are cool see they keep them in game cause its part of the phisicks of the game and pirating should be banned he he let all thoes who wish to come in 0.0 to come in an d get away from yo butts and or kill yall butts ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Caldari will once again rise above the gallente and take back Caldari prime!
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2004.08.29 16:01:00 -
[156]
Insta jumps are cool see they keep them in game cause its part of the phisicks of the game and pirating should be banned he he let all thoes who wish to come in 0.0 to come in an d get away from yo butts and or kill yall butts ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Caldari will once again rise above the gallente and take back Caldari prime!
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Lizardo
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Posted - 2004.08.30 04:11:00 -
[157]
LOL
Pirates will be obsolete after the introduction of "Stargate Pirates"/
well player pirates anyway.
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Lizardo
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Posted - 2004.08.30 04:11:00 -
[158]
LOL
Pirates will be obsolete after the introduction of "Stargate Pirates"/
well player pirates anyway.
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Krauss
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Posted - 2004.08.30 05:37:00 -
[159]
Have you ever thought of sitting right on the gate and jumping with the insta docker?
Or would you like them to nerf the ability for frigs and shuttles to warp fast also?
Cant get that quick lock with your bs? Ever try using a frig to catch a frig? How bout we make the game where you can lock instantly, and instantly warp scramble, and prevent ANYONE from getting through a gate? Think anyone with implants will travel by you? Theyll just use their alts, and youll never get a ransom.
Sounds to me the way you want to set up 0.0 will make it impossible for anyone to be able to get through. So who would try? Maybe you should join a pirate corpe and find out how to catch the little boogers. It can be done, and its not that hard, but it will require you to take a little risk also.
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Krauss
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Posted - 2004.08.30 05:37:00 -
[160]
Have you ever thought of sitting right on the gate and jumping with the insta docker?
Or would you like them to nerf the ability for frigs and shuttles to warp fast also?
Cant get that quick lock with your bs? Ever try using a frig to catch a frig? How bout we make the game where you can lock instantly, and instantly warp scramble, and prevent ANYONE from getting through a gate? Think anyone with implants will travel by you? Theyll just use their alts, and youll never get a ransom.
Sounds to me the way you want to set up 0.0 will make it impossible for anyone to be able to get through. So who would try? Maybe you should join a pirate corpe and find out how to catch the little boogers. It can be done, and its not that hard, but it will require you to take a little risk also.
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