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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.04 17:40:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey guys
We're looking into the Incursions right now. Our changes had varying degrees of success and this is my view on it currently:
Making NPC groups dynamic and stopping blitzing works as intended for Vanguards. I'm considering reversing the 10% income change, to increase their value slightly again.
For assaults, I think the NPC groups work fine as well, but the difficulty might have gotten a little too high.
Comments?
The Vanguard OTAs are horrendous, tedius, and stacking like pancakes. When I do pickup fleets to teach new peeps and help lower skilled pilots over the hump I end up disbanding the fleet when the Constellation becomes 100% OTA's. The hi sec Minitmar Incursion is the largest Sansha Incursion I've seen with 5 Vanguard constellations. Last night 8 hours before downtime there were 5-7 OTAs in each system maybe 1 non OTA thruout the whole constellation.
The Assault NCS has become tedius and safer. Used to be the non unique ship spawn could fall on you at once! Tagging was a real challenge & all ships close & short would get into the fight because sometimes it was a fight for thier lives! Its was a fun challenge for me as a FC to manage those & they could often be deadly because the alpha often killed logi & we'd run on pure adrenlane after that keeping things together. Now it takes longer to finish becuase inevitably the close range ships wait around for longer periods of time almost like the old NCNs were the cruiser side nerrly always waited for thebattleship side.
OCFs take longer due to the additions of more ships ( augas ) and are now the only site were you may see any real danger. NCNs I guess the cruiser side have less of a wait but it does not seem signiicant. I guess they are a little bit shorter.
I've seen such a drop in the armor community with the nerf have not really been able to be in more then 2 or so HQ's.
The numbers dropping has made me think our community is on life support.
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:40:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:
Question 1: CCP stated that you were going to "Buff" Assault sites, You have nerfed them by making them longer to do, Stating in a Dev Blog that Assaults were going to get a buff to get more of the Incursion communitys to do them, Why lie in a Dev Blog, Didn't you state that Inferno, Crucible is all about the community? Well Lying or not posting correct information isn't a good start to Inferno. ( Maybe i miss read it, please correct me if i did. )
Herr Ronin
ISN Management Of ISN - Incursion Shiny Network.
Again I totally agree with what is said here.
-The NCS's were nerfed so they take longer to complete. I'm still scratching my head how in the world you could have thought doing what you did with them made them any shorter?
-The OCF's actually have more ships in them ( many augas which were not thier before patch ) I'm still scratching my head how in the world you could have thought doing what you did with them made them any shorter or more attractive?
- The NCNs were watered down in number of ships inside. I honestly don't think this watering down made them significanly shorter and they still take the longest to complete and the form up for them has not shortened at all Even though now T1 Battle cruisers can now go through both sides.
To reiteriate : " Stating in a Dev Blog that Assaults were going to get a buff to get more of the Incursion communitys to do them, Why lie in a Dev Blog " ?
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:45:00 -
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D3V1L Soulless wrote:true, building communitys are what the game is about. and incursions are a meeting point for all players where alliance and corp politics are left at the door. this should be harvested by ccp. this is what will make players come back day after and jack in to new eden.
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Right now the nerf is on the verge of killing 2 incursion communities at least ( and MANY SUB communities). The third community by sheer numbers may last longer but it to has been signifcantly dimisnished from what I understand. I doubt a 1 million ISK bone per site will help TBH. Instead of harvestinging & sowing right now I'm seeing a salting of the ground and destruction 
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.05 20:38:00 -
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Trader 99 wrote:My two cents.
I know people that use to goto low sec to do the mom,but now with the infleunce bar taking alot more effort to get down to zero to get the mom to spawn its a non starter now for them to even do it.Is this what you wanted?
With HQ sites the most annoying one is the TPPH.It would be nice if the gates in the rooms were alot closer so we didnt have to refit the fleet with afterburners and wait 5 minutes for people to do it.People have said that if it only had 2 rooms instead of 3 it would be better.
WHAT IS HAPPENING IN LO/NULL SEC? It was a bit of a guarded secret but before the nerf lo sec systems were being done. Are they still ( a question for alts I suppose ) If the GOONs are to be believed  they are giving up on the NULL incursions now
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:42:00 -
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Many Incursion communities are on life support CCP has killed a few already. I'd say CCP may have well have moved the Incursions to lo/null sec too but from what I hear those died first with the nerf.
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:56:00 -
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Katy Ling wrote:CCP Affinity wrote:Just an update, I am reading through all this feedback and we will be making a more detailed post next week about our own findings. I have also had some really valuable feedback, both while the changes were on SISI and now they are on TQ, from the owner and co-owner of BTL pub and other long-term Incursion runners. I have even run Incursions on SISI with them to see how they felt about the changes live.
I don't have anything concrete to tell you right now, but I just wanted to make an update post to let you all know I am still reading this and we do care!
I fully understand that a lot of you are angry but if we could all try and aim for constructive feedback from now on, it will help quicken this process a lot.
''I HATE IT ALL!! YOU SUCK'' <-- an example of a post that isn't going to help.
To dispel any myths - The changes on SISI and TQ were exactly the same, this isn't even up for debate as it's just a fact and it's just how our development process works.
Where is this quote from? Has a single real armor veteran been questioned?
BTL is only a shield channel for all intensive purposes.
What TDF ( The Ditanian Fleet: the main armor fleets ) council member was consulted?
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:39:00 -
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Seriously how the hell has not CCP listened to what we've been saying? I've been jumping up & down the forums, filing petitions, filling out bug reports and am getting a run around. The CSM's are by almost all accounts NULL & W-space only ( I've had contact with one whom told me the NERF went too far & he's the one who almost all in the incursion community would be surprised to say this ) and yet HI sec is what 70% of Eve I just talked to the armour FC's of the 95% of them I've talked to you have not consulted 1 of them I will not be surprised if at the end of my survey it'll be 100%.
I'm sorry but DEV's obviously here were out of touch. You had a sticky in General discussions but it sounds like it was flat out ignored by anyone actually doing incursions in so many ways.
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:34:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Seriously how the hell has not CCP listened to what we've been saying? I've been jumping up & down the forums, filing petitions, filling out bug reports and am getting a run around. The CSM's are by almost all accounts NULL & W-space only ( I've had contact with one whom told me the NERF went too far & he's the one who almost all in the incursion community would be surprised to say this ) and yet HI sec is what 70% of Eve I just talked to the armour FC's of the 95% of them I've talked to you have not consulted 1 of them I will not be surprised if at the end of my survey it'll be 100%. I'm sorry but DEV's obviously here were out of touch. You had a sticky in General discussions but it sounds like it was flat out ignored by anyone actually doing incursions in so many ways. For one thing, a lot of players are just as passionate in their agreeance with CCP having nerfed incursions. In fact most people I know in game honestly wish incursions had never been introduced. For another, you are filing petitions and bug reports in order to QQ over incursions? I honestly think you should be banned for that, those are not the proper channels for that kind of a grievance and all you are doing is helping to degrade customer service for people with genuine issues.
Most people I know disagree with you. You think I should be banned for filing petitions & bug reports? WOW are you stupid as your posts are in real life. I can hardly believe Your trolling is believed by CCP but then again look at what CCP's aux paus have been like the past year
Tippia although I disagree with I respect in her numbers based arguements. You have not made a cogent arguement based on a verifiable statisic yet
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:16:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
Most people I know disagree with you. You think I should be banned for filing petitions & bug reports? WOW are you stupid as your posts are in real life. I can hardly believe Your trolling is believed by CCP but then again look at what CCP's aux paus have been like the past year
Tippia although I disagree with I respect in her numbers based arguements. You have not made a cogent arguement based on a verifiable statisic yet
Of course most people you know would disagree with me, from what I have seen you literally do nothing but run incursions. That doesn't exactly open you up to a varied Eve online demographic. As for numbers based arguments, I believe me and Tippia repeatedly smashed your attempts to use statistics .
I'm sure you son't believe in the statistics supporting global warming have been 'smashed' too huh? 
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:15:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:XXSketchxx wrote:You guys need to stop pretending you care about the "communities."
There's no shame in saying you like having an isk printer. Well i have that sense of mind and people hate it. Two type of incursion Fc's 1. One's who let anyone in - Considered awesome! 2. Elite Incursion FC, T2 Gun's Faction Mod's - Hated in BTL, Loved In The Community's They Run In <-- Am one of them, It makes me sad.
I guess I'd be considered as a FC #1. I bring in newbies all the time& showe them the ropes. I run in the armor community though. The NERF especially hit the armour FC #2 communites. I have no hatred for them but their refusal to join the Kundalini sites to squeez out the lastfew ISKs alway did perturb me.
XXSketchxx your trolling skills are 1/10 for saying we don't care about our community Its a blatant lie.
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:24:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Posting to confirm incursion farming is the number one cause of global climate change.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Nice sig no you don't troll at all
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.07 05:52:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey guys
We're looking into the Incursions right now. Our changes had varying degrees of success and this is my view on it currently:
Making NPC groups dynamic and stopping blitzing works as intended for Vanguards. I'm considering reversing the 10% income change, to increase their value slightly again.
For assaults, I think the NPC groups work fine as well, but the difficulty might have gotten a little too high.
Comments?
-If by degree of success you means you have killed the lo & NULL SEC communities & more then decimated HI sec communites then mission accomplished
-Blitzing has stopped in Vanguards but the OTA's have been made so tedious and long they are avoided like the plague & stack up in system after system. The shield reppping of especiially the Mara is ridiculas.
The randomness of hacking working seems pecular. Ifyoudon't hack it the first 2 tries we're seeing a long string of failed hacks.
On a side note what was the point of the Echelon anyways? The thing only moved at a 500 m/s clip you know how long it's take to get in range to hack?
Giving back the 10% income change seems like a slap in the face to be honest. Are we also going to get another 10% pay cut when the bounties are getting the 10% cut that you mentioned in your Ten Ton Hammer interview? Is WH blue sleeper loot also getting this 10% pay cut in the NPC buy orders ?
-Assaults are easier for both the NCS's and NCN's are not more difficult the opposite actually . The OCF is slightly more difficult.
To be honest niether the NCS's nor the OCF's needed to be touched. The NCN should have had 1 room middle room cut out to make its completion time on par with the NCS's & OCF's
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.07 22:52:00 -
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CCP Soundwave, will the new Micro Warp Drive module comming out for inferno be able to activate inside an OTA so a hacking ship can jump right on top of the logistics tower?
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:27:00 -
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This rant does not even touch that worm hole blue loot IS GREATER THEN INCURSION LOOT WAS AS AN ISK INJECTOR
and skirts the real culpable causes of inflation. If the real ISK hoses have to be capped instead of killing whole communities of people working together WH's & bounties should have seen the 10% nerf before Incursions did
Hell even CCP Sound wave has mentioned more then once Incursion ISK well:
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:39:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:
I run a 5 man corporation consisting of me and my alts, yet I run DED complexes regularly. Go figure.
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No wonder you are so BUTTHURT about incursions. As a solo hermit you've lost out in the MMO communities
and when CCP started rewarding non hermit Incursions runners because they work together you & your 5 alts dual to hex boxing lost ground economically. So people working together & whom don't live under a rock shouldn't make as much ISK as you do even though add to the sandbox unlike your solitary ways. This explains many of your posts TBH
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:25:00 -
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I'm sorry CCP Soundwave but the changes DEV's made show they were seriously out of touch with the Incursion running shield & armour fleet communities. From the responces I've heard in our shared FC channel the contact you made with us was sparse ( probably 1 sided ) and presented when things were pretty much set in stone anyways. You were told that OTA's would stack up like they are in the forums I believe the same was true from the test server responces. NCN still stack like always. The problems with assault NCN's been beaten like a dead horse yet its been gathering flies since Incursion sites were first brought out & the duct tape makes them playable but too tedius compared to any other site ( except possibly now the NEW OTA's )
FAIL
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.12 11:53:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey guys
We're looking into the Incursions right now. Our changes had varying degrees of success and this is my view on it currently:
Making NPC groups dynamic and stopping blitzing works as intended for Vanguards. I'm considering reversing the 10% income change, to increase their value slightly again.
For assaults, I think the NPC groups work fine as well, but the difficulty might have gotten a little too high.
Comments?
Hey CCP Sound wave instead of thowing a single person ( CCP Affinity ) under the bus to try to handle the Incursion community backlash how about putting more resources on it? If not just end the Sansha Incursions. Start another Incursion later. I know you like to have everything open ended but it'd been better to test a real endgame PvE say have at least tried to have Sansha gives up after a big lo/NULL/LO sec incursion final site & later a new pirate Incursion (or maybe say of Jove, sleepers or drones incursion after they stopped pooping alloys to help with the mineral supply shock ) replaces it in a later date would have been 1000% better then the lingering death Incursion communitites are suffering thru now sorta like what happened with FW.
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:16:00 -
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Marexlovox wrote:Just remove incursions from eve or keep them out of 0.0. That is all.
Appears that 0.0 is no longer doing (or can't do) the Incursions anymore so they are a roadblock in 0.0 now
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:00:00 -
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Marexlovox wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Marexlovox wrote:Just remove incursions from eve or keep them out of 0.0. That is all. Appears that 0.0 is no longer doing (or can't do) the Incursions anymore so they are a roadblock in 0.0 now. Since the nerf I can not recall a shred of blue on the bar's in lo/null in my journal's influence bars I would rather run sanctums, exploration sites or DED sites. Incursion do not entertain me, it sucks for people in 0.0 who have to pay sov bills and lose Cap Navigation because of this around there own space. I have tried to get fleets up to get rid of them, people are just not interested and move around to different constellations to avoid them. Incursions are a good idea but bad for 0.0.
Interesting now after this effed up nerf peeps in Null sec are asking to remove Incursion from Null into Hi sec instead of the other way around. Goes to show you how much this Escalation change was tested & properly thought out
Unfortunely 'till after Inferno comes out & its inevitable major bugs are ironed out I think we'll be placed on the backburner.
I've been running fleets with what I've been handed but every change brought a tediuos multipler to the sites and working together & forming fleets seems to be losing out to just soloing missions or there has been many unsubs as was suggested in:
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/05/16/jesters-trek-demon-suit/
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.18 07:34:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Lipbite wrote:Meanwhile incursions community stagnated into couple of hundreds folks with less than 20 capable fleet commanders which could be found easily within 1-2 incursion constellations to be asked about issues with incursions. I guess it will take 20-30 minutes to make a poll about possible changes in incursions, 5 minutes to send personal messages to those 20 FCs (I'm sure they will be more than happy to answer) and a day to gather information from first hands instead of reading 16 pages of mostly useless trolling. The problem with asking incursion FCs about incursion changes is that the replies will inevitably be along the lines of "you went too far, we want more isk/hour". You cannot expect CCP to rely on a source of information that is so blatantly biased.
What a pile of BS
Problem with asking people in forums for real input is you get alot more BLATANTLY biased troll posts like the ones that have come from Simi... CCP DEVs I hope you take pride CCP in the communities you have destroyed by listening to these trolls that don't know a stat from a hole in the ground ( or a worm hole in a C2 )
CCP your **** poor communications with your HI SEC community is going to bite you in your arses again but don't listen to me actually listen to the real numbers comming out... CCP Affinity before she unceremoniously locked her thread said she wanted to install PvE community with Incursions but instead we're seeing deaths of multiple communities with the Escalation NERF...
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.18 20:59:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:
, and I doubt it matters anyway its unlikely anyone high up in CCP will read this far into the thread.
lol you are wrong again someone is listening Simi  Care to recalculate how many characters live in Wormholes again Simi? 
Sorry for the rage posts but at least I'm posting dunno how many in my old community just gave up & unsubbed thier accounts & alt accounts... ancedotally there seem to be quite a few & the decimations of the communities which I had fun in are the source of my rage.
Here's some specific suggestions w/o the trolling or tearing:
VANGUARDS
The NERFs here especially made the OTA site more tedious then missions IMHO: More & more people are leaving because of the tedium. TBH I only occasionally did OTA's due to the shield fleets superiorty there but they have abandoned them the most part.
I've seen quite a few comments on fixing them but I think it'd take more testing then is possible right now to the DEVs and a short term fix is needed before more communites die while fixes are tested & coded & won'tbe implemented for over a month according to CCP Afinity's thread.
One suggestion I'd like to make is to have dynamic payouts: make the OTA's payouts triple what they are now becuase of thier difficulty & tedium and keep the NMC's & NCO's the same payout in Vanguards. I doubt I'd do them myself becuase I tend to accept alot of newbies into my armour fleets who'd die quickly in OTA's but maybe the shinier fleets then would take them down & we'd not have this WALL of OTAs before downtime that kills fleet formups.
Assaults:
I'd like to suggest the same dynamic payouts for NCN since they aree rarely touched instead of tripling maybe 1.5 to 2X
NCS's & OCF's keep the payouts the same I guess but bring the old NCS preload spawn back for more excitment so its not so tedious and a lil bit quicker.
HEADQUARTERS
The TPPH's take too damn long. Its a POS bash?!?!?!?! Where else in PvE is there a POS bash? Since I doubt you're going to let us bring in Dreads to takeit down faster how about shortening the distances between gates?
TCRC is in many ways more difficult then the MOM ( Kendalini Manifest ) if there is asite that should pay more in HQ's its the TCRC.
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing!The system's crashing!"-Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2012.05.20 16:38:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Cambarus wrote:
The guy who multiboxes wormholes claims that the rewards of incursions is too high compared to wormholes, and also claims that CCP shouldn't listen to the people actually running incursions because they're obviously biased.
Are you comparing High Sec Incursions with wormholes?  Remove CONCORD from Incursion systems in High Sec and you'll begin to have an argument, otherwise that's just stupid.
Oh yes the inevitable remove Concord from HI SEC meme which of course if ever implemented will be soooo beneficial to the game
just watch the majority of the 70 odd percent living in HI sec unsub... that too will even out the numbers of those living in HI/LO/NULL/WH's making last year's layoffs at CCP seem like a retirement party
An' then [email protected], he come scramblin outta theTerminal room screaming "The system's crashing!The system's crashing!"-Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' |
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:49:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Xorv wrote:Are you comparing High Sec Incursions with wormholes? Remove CONCORD from Incursion systems in High Sec and you'll begin to have an argument, otherwise that's just stupid. Oh yes the inevitable remove Concord from HI SEC meme which of course if ever implemented will be soooo beneficial to the game just watch the majority of the 70 odd percent living in HI sec unsub... that too will even out the numbers of those living in HI/LO/NULL/WH's making last year's layoffs at CCP seem like a retirement party He isn't suggesting Concord should be removed from high sec,.
Nope Xorv does not advocte removeing Concord nor have a running meme about it https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1062147#post1062147
Here's a quote from the above link:
"1) Remove CONCORD "
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Posted - 2012.05.22 16:04:00 -
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Herr Ronin wrote:Xenvin wrote:I am replying only to the thread and consequentially some of the peers I run incursions with. I am an incursion FC and have done it all.
Quote:Now, with my credibility out of the way As soon as i got to that point i just lost interest. I must be more Famous than you, Cause i haven't heard of your name, Please enough of all the E-Peen on the topic at hand, Its getting rather old. Before i go, Regarding the Blitzing, There is no such thing, nor will there be, Simple answer, Stop crying a run Missions, Read the blogs, You are like the 99.9% of the community of Incursions, CCP are aware that there is a problem, All the things you have stated have been said, They are looking into it? Why repost a post? No go outside and cut the Grass.
lol You are one to talk Ronin...you are claiming to be more famous? I had not heard of you before this thread started by CCP Soundwave which he has obviously ignored and not once bothered to comment on.
Only thing you said or claimed of interest to me was the mention of a 6 minute OTA which is OBVIOUSLY not being done and they are stacking much like the old NCN's in which cruiser logi's could not enter into the right side . I trust CCP to look at & fix the Incursion problem in much the same timely manner FW problems were fixed & that is a good reason to keep the heat up.
CCP is also aware of the wing man not getting boosts issue but has not fixed that in how many years? All we got is a kludge way to give the Wing commander a boost by revoking them & giving them to another in a sqaud position in the same wing which only intermittantly works. Funniest thing I saw was a fleet mate's responce from a DEV to the error report she filled out & how it was closed with out a fix.
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:17:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:[CCP is also aware of the wing man not getting boosts issue but has not fixed that in how many years? All we got is a kludge way to give the Wing commander a boost by revoking them & giving them to another in a sqaud position in the same wing which only intermittantly works. Funniest thing I saw was a fleet mate's responce from a DEV to the error report she filled out & how it was closed with out a fix.
Well speak of the devil... the patch seems to have fixed the Wing commander's not getting bonuses \o/ today it worked for me w/o having to revoke & invoke boosts nonsensically
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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Posted - 2012.05.23 01:26:00 -
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Apolyon I wrote:yugi272 wrote:Useless posting on your part, either say something constructive or don't post at all, and i used to live in a c5, i left when they moved to c6. Sorry for derailing from the topic, either way the isk made in incursions was too much, but it was definitly not risk-free, i lost a bunch of ships in them, im sure most people can say the same... well, I ran incursion, I know it's risk-free. if you got blown up, you're doing something very wrong. I believe both myself and Simi ran incursion before, we have enough knowledge to talk about incursion, it's risk-free
risk free my ass
There is where your creditablitlity falls face first. Undocking in Eve is a risk ( hell even not undocking & responding to Spaceship Barbie's posts in Amarr is a risk if you click wrong )
So next you are going to start redefining the definitaion of risk?
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:36:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:risk free my ass
There is where your creditablitlity falls face first. Undocking in Eve is a risk ( hell even not undocking & responding to Spaceship Barbie's posts in Amarr is a risk if you click wrong )
So next you are going to start redefining the definitaion of risk? CCP Affinity wrote:Just posting to confirm - rage posts aren't helpful. I have already received a lot of really valuable feedback from both high and low sec players and shield and armor communities and I locked my thread when the posts stopped being constructive and turned into trolling and tears.
Darth, try not to start sounding like a whiny little child and either join the discussion with some kind of meaningful contribution or go make your own thread so we can ignore it.
lol Lately every thread I've started you've bumped with your trolling posts lol
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Posted - 2012.05.23 05:54:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:risk free my ass
There is where your creditablitlity falls face first. Undocking in Eve is a risk ( hell even not undocking & responding to Spaceship Barbie's posts in Amarr is a risk if you click wrong )
So next you are going to start redefining the definitaion of risk? Darth, try not to start sounding like a whiny little child and either join the discussion with some kind of meaningful contribution or go make your own thread so we can ignore it. lol Lately every thread I've started you've bumped it with your trolling posts lol Actually if you notice I post immediately after you, so it's at the top anyway  As for my "troll" posts, I'm not the one repeating the same complaints over and over whilst failing to provide any coherent argument in support..
Your arguements are repeating over & over again personal attacks against me: telling me, baselessly to stop posting lol keep on crying in your attempt to close the thread maybe eventually your posts will get cleaned up by the moderators .
I see how you are trying to bait CCP Affinity to lock the tread started by CCP SoundWave...
They teach that in Troll school?
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Posted - 2012.05.25 07:10:00 -
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CCP Soundwave & Afinity seem to be more busy with the screw ups of Inferno's effed up Unified Inventory right now.
Pretty much what I predicted although I thought Inferno's problems with Crimewatch was going to be a much bigger issue then the Unified Inventory would be ( maybe the exploights just haven't surfaced yet with the general rage I'm seeing ing GD? ).
I sorta doubt anything to save the Incursion communities is going to be changed in the short term with th this overbearing nerf hammer I forsee while puting out the other fires the Developers created after Escalation in Inferno the Incursion communities will get burned by this & this thread was just lip service trying to hope that everything will just blow over.
The clock has ticked over a month since the Escalation nerfs & with summer comming up the falling PCU looks to be taking a toll ( jeez has Eve got a sustained 30k day since the patch not including the ghosts in Jita & other system local bug? )
I've FC'd a few OTA's but they are a lost cause right now IMHO & everyone knows it & are pretty much ignoring them
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Posted - 2012.05.26 00:28:00 -
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Looks like CCP threw down the biggest nerf bat yet: the Ammatar Incursion spawned without any sites 
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Posted - 2012.05.27 08:44:00 -
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Alice Katsuko wrote:If ISK inflows are still a big issue for the EVE economy, increase the LP payouts instead of the ISK payout. I do agree that the average payout for sites should be returned to pre-Escalation levels. At the moment incursions are only marginally more profitable than L4 missions; there should never be disincentives to participate in group activities in a multiplayer game.
Please consider significantly revising the Nation Consolidation Network assault site. Splitting a fleet up sounds nice in theory, but near as can tell the general concensus is that such sites are just a "pain in the ass" to run, because they require two FCs, split comms, and take much more effort and time to run for no additional reward.
Also, please check the incursion spawn code. It looks like someone did something silly with it, so that new incursions no longer spawn new sites.
At least we got lucky & the next Incursion spawn popped up next door... doubt we'll have to let an incursion die like we did with the Caldari incursion... wonder how much LP there was lost?
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Posted - 2012.06.01 19:36:00 -
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Looks like Incursions have reached the point where all of the null/lo sec Incursions withdraw on thier own and over the passt week 1/2 the HI SEC Incursions are withdrawing without the Kundalini Manifest being spotted. Competition in sites is just a memory.
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:44:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:[ Darth you've been saying that for a month. Most low/null incursions used to withdraw anyway.
Not true before the nerf most lo sec incursions were being run and the blue bars were signiifcant.
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:08:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey guys
We're looking into the Incursions right now. Our changes had varying degrees of success and this is my view on it currently:
Making NPC groups dynamic and stopping blitzing works as intended for Vanguards. I'm considering reversing the 10% income change, to increase their value slightly again.
For assaults, I think the NPC groups work fine as well, but the difficulty might have gotten a little too high.
Comments?
So CCP Soundwave after a month and a half of looking what are the stats looking like? The assault systems being touched are still stacking NCN's like pancakes. The only null sec incursion in since the week after Escalation to be touched is currently in Razor space and looks to be stalling. OTA's difficulty makes them a pirahha of the Vangurd systems. CCP Affiniity showed some interest in the communities but has closed her thread 3 weeks ago & now silence.
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Posted - 2012.06.04 09:12:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:
She probably closed her thread due to constructive commentary like yours.
and here I thought it was because of trolling & incompetant statisics like yours
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Posted - 2012.06.06 04:13:00 -
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Marzuq wrote:Damn Darth Your face is ugly. You must have been huffing and puffing so bad about vanguard nerfs that you go so pale and ugly.
(snip)
I run assault and HQ's and (snip)
You mean you run Assaults until the NCN's stack up then you stop doing assaults.
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:30:00 -
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Marzuq wrote:
Incursions overall are just fine, as the influence gets lower players should strive for higher level sites, instead of sitting at 2nd class vanguards.
I've been trying to bring in new blood to Incursions with the Vanguards... you know have them make ISK so they can afford to do the shinier HQ fleets... pretty soon the VG's are going to DIE as a trainning ground & you're going to find the HQ's will be tufer & tuffer to do fighting the RED bar IMHO.
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:46:00 -
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So CCP Soundwave, Affinity, or Diagoras any stats about Incursions post NERF?
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:54:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:So CCP Soundwave, Affinity, or Diagoras any stats about Incursions post NERF? I've got some: 99% of your posts are unconstructive :buffincursions: whining.
I've got another 99.9 % of yours are trolling mine & even less constructive
but its nice to have such a fan club
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Posted - 2012.06.12 05:34:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:
CCP got it wrong as ever. Here's hoping they fix it this summer and soon, it's been months already.
From CCP Soundwave's last DEV blog I've gleamed they've been exclusively been working on the UI screwup. Don't expect anything soon.
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Posted - 2012.06.13 15:39:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72880
Silly changes to be honest. It's not the 10% isk nerf that is killing incursion fleets, nor is it the influence bar although it was definitely better earlier. It's the pacing that's an issue, fleets running into roadblocks with sites not worth running.
If isk was their only concern, and it seems it really was, rollback ALL changes and nerf all incursion profits, including LP by 50% in high sec, 30% in null sec and leave low sec as is and the incursion community would complain about the nerf in the short run, but in the long run people would actually start running them again. The isk gained would drop significantly, but still be at comparable levels to l4 missioning (topping it slightly, when you're in a good fleet, and being roughly the same with junk fleets vs. non optimal l4 runners).
CCP decimated the Incursion numbers and took a 2 month wait & see it'll get better attitude. . CCP is now rolling back 1 very minor and 1 other major issue which don't address the root cause of the problem once again expecting it to magically cure itself
Niether rollback will bring back any numbers to the now dead NULL/LO Sec communities and once again we're hearing the same wait and see atitiude. CCP isn't addressing the root of the problem and is ignoring the 900 pound gorilla of the OTA's
What we got is the Tianic has sunk and the life rafts are throwing de Caprillo a life preserver saying don't worry we'll come back in a monh to see if you are ok.
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