HS is safe, if you're not safe, you're doing it wrong

I call it BS
thousand of folks fighting to protect space and they get is 60~70m/hr ratting in null

20~30 dudes fight to hold the wh system, making over a bil/hr but have to split between 10 dudes in the ops but still have LIMITED resource, not account in hassle of logistics

where is the "Group Based Activity versus Reward" ?????

thousand of folks fighting to protect space and they get is 60~70m/hr ratting in null

20~30 dudes fight to hold the wh system, making over a bil/hr but have to split between 10 dudes in the ops but still have LIMITED resource, not account in hassle of logistics

There is some of us who like High sec, We play this game in HOW WE WANT TO PLAY IT, <-- Read that.

Now HTFU

You mad little boy?

StuRyan you make a good point .(Sarcastic).

Eve online already runs on the"Group Based Activity versus Reward" model. The "risk versus reward " way of thinking facilitates interesting and dynamic gameplay such as Griefing, thievery, infiltration, spying etc. It also adds trust as a variable/commodity all of these things make Eve a great game and not just another wow in space. Like the new SWTOR (Star Wars the Old Republic MMO).

Now before you jump down my throat, let me lay it out for you in layman's terms. Any task that is risky is always safer with more people. If those people are properly organized that task becomes even safer. That i how Major Alliances are able to to hold sovereignty, which we need in order to operate the sovereignty upgrades to allow our members to have any marginal increase in income over high sec. These upgrades were moved/built and installed by our logistics team. Our PVP fleets keep our space clear of hostile so that we can make money when we need it. Our intelligence network(containing Intel channels, voice communications, and many other goodies both in game and out) helps to keep our members safe and instruct our fleet commanders where there are people to shoot. We are able to manage all of this, through our out of game infrastructure (Mumble,Jabber, forums) which are on a Web server that one of our alliance members has donated to us. All of these services are fed information and maintained by players(our members). If you are Ratting/Mining in a sovereignty system you are you are protected by information. This information is collected presented to you by your fellow alliance mates and their allies and present it to you via our intelligence infrastructure.

In a major 0.0 alliance at all times100 - 500 people reporting Intel infrastructure. Yes 0.0 Ratting is a solo activity, if you are only counting what's happening on in the immediate area (on grid). However if you take into account all the time and effort it took to set up the infrastructure, to keep the intelligence flowing and up-to-date.It takes a lot of organization to keep that space safe enough in order to rat in the first place. It is most definitely a group activity. The amount of that organization would put a small military operation to shame. And this is all done by volunteers. Which you would have known if you've ever spent any time in any alliance that held sovereignty for any reasonable amount of time not hiding, under Concordes skirt.

The risk versus reward way of thinking encourages people to work together in groups to get higher rewards , so that would lead me back to the point I proved above Eve online already runs on the"Group Based Activity versus Reward" model. Understand my point yet. In high sec you don't truly need to trust in the people you're flying with. If they shoot you Concorde will kill them. Everywhere else below 0.5 They could shoot you without game mechanics automatically killing them. Every activity with few exceptions that is done in space outside of high-sec is a group activity on some level. Even something simple like traveling. Traveling, to do this for any amount of safety you require scouts and/or Intel channels (which might consist of your alts), but that is still a group activity. There were people who 10 boxed in incursions....

If you don't understand it by now there's no helping you. Go play WoW or SWTOR you might have more fun. Now back to the actual topic

As far as incursion balancing the CCP must make up their mind what they want incursions to be. So if we want some progress we should get CCP to decide what they want it to be that way it doesn't become an abandoned feature that hardly anybody uses. Examples of good questions are:


What does CCP intend incursions to be?

Do you want them to draw conflict between null-sec and low-sec entities or low sec and high sec entities or both?

Do you intend them to be just an alternate activity to the existing PVE mechanics or do you wish them to pay out more?

Where do you intend that the bulk of the incentives to run these to come from?


Because CCP will do what they want because this is their game, we just play it. We can try and shape it but calling the dev stupid is not a way to ingratiate yourself to someone with the power to make or break your game experience. Use your brain people.