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Carnelian X	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:06:00 - [361] Edited by: Carnelian X on 21/04/2009 15:08:38 Originally by: crockett EXE Heretic jumps into high sec to avoid giving KM's = fail. I know because I looted Heretic's condorded wrecks in Osoggur before. Carebear jumping into high sec to avoid enemy killmail and podding possibility = Brave and cunning Pirate jumping into high sec to avoid enemy killmail and podding possibility = Lame he should have taken it like a man Not to mention its 90% the other side of the gate is scouted by the pirates alt who can GASP go scoop his loot rather then giving it to the enemy Conclusion: Think before post
Ken Plante	Posted - 2009.04.21 15:54:00 - [362] Wow this is still going? first and foremost who the f* cares if you jump into highsec to avoid getting killed, and btw u can survive it even with gc. Both the heretic and united guys camp. Why the hell does that matter either? The only thing that matters is the ability to adapt to any fight. You have two camp heavy fleets. One comes down to anothers base of operation. One can successfully make the transition into proper pvp fleet/tactics. The other doesn't and loses the fight. Its simple, really it is, and it doesnt matter how many falcons they brought. It reall doesnt matter how brave you are. The only thing that atcually holds weight is the end result. i FC my small little corp into huge fights, we need to run away constantly. I am pretty sure any of you that fight us regularly know that we are good, but the fact we sometimes need to run doesnt make us cowards. MG has a fleet that likes to camp. So doesnt the united. But mg and his guys also have an understanding in lowsec fighting. All this other about killmails and whatever is ridiculous the boards think garmon is a god because he kills in little ** (love ya garmon but u die alot). I think MG posted this to tell you what happened, and ya he has a right to be proud, damn proud. It doesnt matter how you win only that you win. ehonor-joke
Kelmarra Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:11:00 - [363] Originally by: Lana Torrin so it has something to do with pee? spot on! you gets teh cookie! cookie
Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.21 16:17:00 - [364] Originally by: Lana Torrin Does anyone have a TL;DR version of this thread? United invade Amamake and publicly state they are going to kick Heretics out, they have some initial success both with conventional and capital heavy fleets vs Heretics. Heretics get convo'd by some ruskies who hate United too. Heretics start a fight with United and uncloak over 9 Falcons. United fleet is wiped out United get unhappy and leave. Heretics declare victory. Massive smackfest. Allies and enemies of all involved parties join in. Everyone looks really stupid and gay.
CrimsonLobo Caldari Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:10:00 - [365] This thread still here?
Anope Gallente the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:17:00 - [366] Originally by: Larkonis TrassIer Originally by: Lana Torrin Does anyone have a TL;DR version of this thread? United invade Amamake and publicly state they are going to kick Heretics out, they have some initial success both with conventional and capital heavy fleets vs Heretics. Heretics get convo'd by some ruskies who hate United too. Heretics start a fight with United and uncloak over 9 Falcons. United fleet is wiped out United get unhappy and leave. Heretics declare victory. Massive smackfest. Allies and enemies of all involved parties join in. Everyone looks really stupid and gay. I never post here but felt the need, 1.) It was stated we were going on vacation, to take a break from Rancer, You of all people should know this as you have soo many spies in our corp. 2.) The smackfest was by Heretics the entire time we were there, It was constant. 24/7, sometimes 2-3 hours straight of smack without a single word to entice them or keep their interest(in local) 3.) We stayed to fight a blob that outnumbered us 24 to 17, about even odds and would have been great fun, except as the battle started 9 falcons were uncloaked on us compeltly ruining the chance of any possibility of a fight. It wasn't a fight. The only way to fight someone that relies so heavily on ecm is to bring falcons ourselves (seeing as ECCM doesn't do ****). Which isn't very fun at all, and not really our idea of a 'vacation'
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:28:00 - [367] Originally by: Anope I never post here but felt the need, 1.) It was stated we were going on vacation, to take a break from Rancer, You of all people should know this as you have soo many spies in our corp. 2.) The smackfest was by Heretics the entire time we were there, It was constant. 24/7, sometimes 2-3 hours straight of smack without a single word to entice them or keep their interest(in local) 3.) We stayed to fight a blob that outnumbered us 24 to 17, about even odds and would have been great fun, except as the battle started 9 falcons were uncloaked on us compeltly ruining the chance of any possibility of a fight. It wasn't a fight. http://bl3h-united.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=113879 The only way to fight someone that relies so heavily on ecm is to bring falcons ourselves (seeing as ECCM doesn't do ****). Which isn't very fun at all, and not really our idea of a 'vacation' Even though you and your prom date looked nice you should private your photobucket. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
CrimsonLobo Caldari Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:31:00 - [368] Deffinatly would take the prom date out for a few drinks.
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:41:00 - [369] Originally by: CrimsonLobo Deffinatly would take the prom date out for a few drinks. You don't want a girl like that thinking she's special man.
CrimsonLobo Caldari Galaxy Punks	Posted - 2009.04.21 19:52:00 - [370] A few drinks was code for surprise sexs mate!!!

crockett EXE Minmatar Mutineers	Posted - 2009.04.21 20:30:00 - [371] Edited by: crockett EXE on 21/04/2009 20:34:22 Originally by: Carnelian X Edited by: Carnelian X on 21/04/2009 15:08:38 Originally by: crockett EXE Heretic jumps into high sec to avoid giving KM's = fail. I know because I looted Heretic's condorded wrecks in Osoggur before. Carebear jumping into high sec to avoid enemy killmail and podding possibility = Brave and cunning Pirate jumping into high sec to avoid enemy killmail and podding possibility = Lame he should have taken it like a man Not to mention its 90% the other side of the gate is scouted by the pirates alt who can GASP go scoop his loot rather then giving it to the enemy Conclusion: Think before post A cearbear jumping to hi sec before he dies to a gate camp is just doing what anyone would do if they weren't fitted to fight back. No dignity lost in running from a fight you can't win, as only fools give their ship up to a blob if they can help it. What these guys do is different, they camp the high sec boarder gate and if they realize they will die, they jump into hi sec to get concorded rather than giving the killmail to the guy that actually out fought them. Meaning they don't show their "actual" loses because they use a game mechanic to avoid giving the kill mail by camping a high sec gate. That is what we call lame in these parts. I mean it's not like these guys are out doing big fleet battles and winning "real" fights for their kills. They sit on a high sec gate 23/7 and blob solo ships that jump through with 10+ ships blobs. Hell any 6 month old noob gang could do that in a bunch of BC's and cruisers. Conclusion.. Read before you post. btw.. I'm quite sure most of their guys could spank me in a 1 v1 as I'm only a noob, but I don't need 30 mil SP's to know what lame mails are.
Galvatine Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.21 21:06:00 - [372] Originally by: crockett EXE A cearbear jumping to hi sec before he dies to a gate camp is just doing what anyone would do if they weren't fitted to fight back. No dignity lost in running from a fight you can't win, as only fools give their ship up to a blob if they can help it. What these guys do is different, they camp the high sec boarder gate and if they realize they will die, they jump into hi sec to get concorded rather than giving the killmail to the guy that actually out fought them. Meaning they don't show their "actual" loses because they use a game mechanic to avoid giving the kill mail by camping a high sec gate. That is what we call lame in these parts. I mean it's not like these guys are out doing big fleet battles and winning "real" fights for their kills. They sit on a high sec gate 23/7 and blob solo ships that jump through with 10+ ships blobs. Hell any 6 month old noob gang could do that in a bunch of BC's and cruisers. Conclusion.. Read before you post. btw.. I'm quite sure most of their guys could spank me in a 1 v1 as I'm only a noob, but I don't need 30 mil SP's to know what lame mails are. Actually we camp gate a lot less than that, and do roaming ops rather a lot. I know of ONE person whos jumped into high sec, and he did that because he was drunk and got the wrong gate (yeah I know). You will find rather a lot of losses posted in amamake. I suggest you get over your "I assumed I was blue and am going to moan about it forever" issue, and quit making stuff up. Im not saying it has not happened, but there is no way I or many others would deagress on a gate to jump out when under enemy fire. I would rather try and take some with me than jump into certain death just to avoid a KM. Mine are ALL posted since joining Heretics and I still maintain a very healthy kill/loss ratio of 95%.
JypAllen	Posted - 2009.04.21 21:52:00 - [373] I was told a pretty prom date was present and united failed. This seemed like the place to be.
Anope Gallente the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.04.21 23:29:00 - [374] Edited by: Anope on 21/04/2009 23:29:45 O.o Curse you all! /changes sig
Carnelian X	Posted - 2009.04.22 00:58:00 - [375] Edited by: Carnelian X on 22/04/2009 01:00:57 Edited by: Carnelian X on 22/04/2009 00:58:54 Originally by: crockett EXE A cearbear jumping to hi sec before he dies to a gate camp is just doing what anyone would do if they weren't fitted to fight back. No dignity lost in running from a fight you can't win, as only fools give their ship up to a blob if they can help it. So "no dignity lost in running from a fight you cannot win" The pirate who jumps into highsec does it as a last resort.... because he has found himself in a fight he cannot win. So its the same thing. Your other points regarding blue kills etc I cannot comment on and you may be right in your grievances. However your dislike of that corp and perhaps pirates in general in my opinion lead you to lack perspective on the "high sec jump" issue. Like I said - the main reason for a pirate whos nearly dead to jump into highsec is to a) scoop his loot with his scout alt (generally you dont get a pirate camp on a gate without a scout on the other side - preferable cloaked) b) protect his pod (no lag or nasty intys on the highsec side) Both are sensible reasons to jump and I would encourage all pirates to do so. It is irrefutably the correct choice of action to to do so. Point c) to stop the enemy getting a killmail, is up to how bitter the individual pilot is and is fairly irrelevant except for extreme killboard nerds. If the enemy is so desperate to get a pirate killmail - then simply stick a frigate on the other side. And rush for the loot.
Killiashandra Ree	Posted - 2009.04.22 01:44:00 - [376] Always deny killmails, pirate tears are delicious.
Zverofaust	Posted - 2009.04.23 11:52:00 - [377] lol thats funny. As a frequent visitor to Amamake I had the fortune to see some of this "glorious Heretic victory". Although the 'tics did get I think one victory, 23 hours a day for about a week they sat in station and had neutral alts running around all nearby systems. Until finally N10 got bored having absolutely nothing to fight. The only threat the 'tics are to anybody is smartbomb gatecamping the local highsec route and getting some random frigs, shuttles and pods. Inbetween bouts of being smacked around by both the Minmatar and Amarr militia, and any random groups that happen to pass by with even a shred of organization, they actually do quite well "going about their business". Just in the past week they've gotten smacked around like half a dozen times. By Electus Matari, Star Fraction, POGS, Minnie militia... yawn.
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.04.23 14:20:00 - [378] With a fresh influx of alts the propaganda war marches on! This may well be before my time, but who are N10? The only entity i know of to have recently inflicted any loss on HA for no significant gain on our part is POGS, who seem to be doing a good job of playing the squeeky grey landmine to our excitable kittehs. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.23 22:23:00 - [379] Another incident of Heretic Nation shooting it's own blues.... Why is this not surprising? __________________ Built like a Rokh
Recon Three 181st Legion Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.23 22:32:00 - [380] Because it's hilarious. _____ Originally by: Tara'Quoya Rax Minmatar don't tank, Minmatar dodge.

Bai ZongTong Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.04.23 22:53:00 - [381] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Another incident of Heretic Nation shooting it's own blues.... Why is this not surprising? according to km, 181st wasnt in heretics at the time. n1 for reading. In conclusion, I think you should vote Larkonis Trassler for CSM. Recruitment for girlfriend prospect: closed
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.23 23:36:00 - [382] Originally by: Bai ZongTong Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Another incident of Heretic Nation shooting it's own blues.... Why is this not surprising? according to km, 181st wasnt in heretics at the time. n1 for reading. According to the battle report they were all in system together, including MG and flying together. So obviously MG sat back and let one of his blues get ganked. They have also proudly displayed it on their killboard so condone these actions. __________________ Built like a Rokh
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.04.24 00:25:00 - [383] I thought there was gonna be glory holes well maybe there is.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.24 00:55:00 - [384] Originally by: jimmyjam I thought there was gonna be glory holes well maybe there is. There's certainly a hole in their desire to be Glorious! Seems the only way they think they can beat us for the past year or so is via forum trolling. Sadly the reality begs to differ on their opinion of themselves.. __________________ Built like a Rokh
Recon Three 181st Legion Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.24 01:22:00 - [385] Fear's hardon for this alliance is AMAZINGLY obvious. I just wanna rub up against it. _____ Originally by: Tara'Quoya Rax Minmatar don't tank, Minmatar dodge.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.04.24 01:48:00 - [386] Originally by: Recon Three Fear's hardon for this alliance is AMAZINGLY obvious. I just wanna rub up against it. We aren't the ones starting threads about how glorious we are against another corp so your logic there needs some work. Then again, all Heretic Nation has is the forums to try and troll people into believing they are Glorious, as the facts in game speak for themselves. Lets recap shall we? Mirrorgod makes thread about how Glorious he is in his defeat of The United and THE FINAL STAND. 1. He has one engagement with The United where he has to get another corp entirely to field 9 falcons to beat them... 2. He claims glorious defeat of THE FINAL STAND as part of that engagement that TFS was not even there for. 3. Where FACTS defY forum warrioring..... So the reality here for all who have any common sense at all is that Heretic Nation and Mirrorgod has been gunning for my corp for well over a year now and never managed to succeed in beating us in a single fight. They have scored a few ganks here and there to prop themselves up with. Morale of the story.... If you want to draw attention to yourself on the forums by making huge threads about how wonderful and glorious you are against another entity, actually have a decent efficiency against them or beat them in a head on engagement at least once... Now, had WE started this thread, then you could accuse us of sniffing up your alliances rear end for some crumbs... Sadly for you, most people in eve besides us know that Heretics are absolute crap and the only way they can gain notoriety is via the forums. Don't start spewing top 20 statistics at me now... Over half the statistics are in pods, shuttles, industrials etc... All the things that don't shoot back again. Heavy Interdictor as the most used ship, warp disruption gen as the most used module.... Need I say more? We used the exact same ships during our stint pirating and gate camping..It's boring and lazy pvp. Something we weren't willing to continue doing as you use less than 15% of the skills you put a lot of time in training for. Then again, most of Heretics pilots are so badly trained I guess that 15% is the only useful skills they have??? ? __________________ Built like a Rokh
Shigsy Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.24 02:05:00 - [387] for someone who doesn't seem to care thats an awful lot of :words:
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.04.24 02:06:00 - [388] I thought you were going to start posting with your own character~ Secretly MirrorGod. Apparently Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting. Originally by: CCP Mitnal it does get progressively longer.
Fulmen Failed Diplomacy Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.24 02:10:00 - [389] Originally by: Ferocious ReAr Impotent RaGe!!!! Is it really necessary to write a book every time you troll? Especially when you are just regurgitating the exact same recycled propaganda in every single post? Oh no guys.... our k/d ratio backbone is broken. We are teh gheyzors. He/She/Shim must be right. Let's go home.
ModernMajorGeneral	Posted - 2009.04.24 02:31:00 - [390] Edited by: ModernMajorGeneral on 24/04/2009 02:31:28 Originally by: Ferocious FeAr My people don't know him, have never met him, we have no idea who he is. So we wont make comments on what we don't know for sure. That said, if we go through the forums we will find countless references to so called misdemeanors of Heretic Army. Why is it necessary to make comments about Heretics personally and their relationships? Just because someone told you a story. Doesn't make it true. We do our best to make everyone happy, but I am not interested in propping up his ego. He was a good kid once, not sure what happened to him. Now he just cant resist crossing the line and burning the stick at both ends. He is not the person we thought he was. Love can bloom even on the battlefield, but love is blind.



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