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Kadathan
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Posted - 2009.04.13 05:47:00 -
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I've been wondering, is veldspar simply the highest profit high sec mining one can do (Assuming you do your own refining at max efficiency) or can deep core mining actually make more? And is deep core only relevant for the one asteroid, pyroxeres?
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Evee Amine
Gentian Line
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Posted - 2009.04.13 06:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Kadathan
I've been wondering, is veldspar simply the highest profit high sec mining one can do (Assuming you do your own refining at max efficiency) or can deep core mining actually make more? And is deep core only relevant for the one asteroid, pyroxeres?
as far as I know, veld is the most valuable ore in high and low sec. And deep core lasers are only really useful if you are going to mine mercoxit.
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BillyBob Esq
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Posted - 2009.04.13 16:28:00 -
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Modulated Deep Core Miner t2's with a veldspar crystal is how you get the highest possible output mining without a mining barge. A rokh with 8 MDCM 2's and 4 MLU 2's will pull slightly more than a Coveter (we're talking about single digit or so difference). There is a limited window of opportunity to use this combo though as you need Astrogeology 5 and Mining 5 to get DC Mining, which leaves you with needing Industry 5 and Mining Barge 5 to get the Coveter. So maybe a month depending on training time. Once you have those though Strip 2's on a mining barge is the way to go, simply as an issue of risk. I would happily argue that a pimmped out rokh in some cases makes a better miner than a mining barge, but it comes down to would you rather be in a 20 mil mining barge or a 120 mil battleship in case of pirates.
There's no reason to ever go above Deep Core Mining 2 though, the required for MDCM 2's and MDCstripM 2's, the explosive cloud is limited to 5k range, just mine outside of 5km and it becomes irrelevant.
The worth of Veldspar is that it turns into so much trit per refine, trit only sells for around 4 isk after all. It's certainly the best thing to mine in highsec, and unless you're really good (and lucky) all the way down to null sec to.
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Frobos
Weird Cat Research
Zombie Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.13 18:50:00 -
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I thought Modulated Strip Miner II's offer the most ore extraction.
Reference: Complete Miners Guide (a.k.a. Miner's Bible, imo)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1020825
Mining amounts quoted from guide:
Page 24:
Modulated Strip Miner II with T2 crystals - 630 m3
Deep Core Miner II - 210 m3
Page 37:
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II with T2 crystals - 437.5 m3
Quote from same page:
"While MDCM2 can be used with any mining crystals, and be fitted on any ship, they are not as powerful as MDCSM2, which is a special kind of strip miner used for Mercoxit mining. The regular Modulated Strip Miner II cannot use Mercoxit crystals. While the MDCSM2 can use any crystals, since its base yield is 110 lower than the MSM2 (250 vs 360), there would be no point."
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BillyBob Esq
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Posted - 2009.04.13 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: BillyBob Esq on 13/04/2009 19:58:18
Originally by: Frobos
"While MDCM2 can be used with any mining crystals, and be fitted on any ship, they are not as powerful as MDCSM2, which is a special kind of strip miner used for Mercoxit mining. The regular Modulated Strip Miner II cannot use Mercoxit crystals. While the MDCSM2 can use any crystals, since its base yield is 110 lower than the MSM2 (250 vs 360), there would be no point."
Yes, but modulated strip 2's and DC modulated strip 2's are barge only modules, deep core mining lasers can make a rokh mine as well (or better) than a coveter.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.04.13 20:14:00 -
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The guide fails to mention one thing in that spot, though:
MDCM IIs are Miner II variants that go on normal ships. A Rokh can mount 8 of them. MSM IIs are strip miners that can only go on barges, the largest of which can have 3. The Rokh has 8 turret slots and loads of CPU base, which is how you can fit 8 T2 mining laser and 4 MLU II upgrades on it. The Covetor, being a barge, only gets one ship bonus to yield, while the Hulk gets two plus better fitting stats. That's why it's technically possible for a Rokh to outmine a Covetor. When you get to the exhumers you start getting a second stacking yield bonus and that pushes them over the top.
None of that considers the logistical nightmare that mining in said Rokh works out to in practice. MDCM II with T2 crystal and 4x MLU IIs works out to 336.37 m3 per cycle per laser, if I remember the MLU bonus correctly. You have to stagger each laser separately, and empty your cargo hold after every single cycle. This doesn't even count spare crystals; at 50 m3 each they take up more than half a Rokh's cargo hold with a full set of 8.
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Kadathan
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Kadathan on 14/04/2009 20:18:53
Well that's sort of surprising then, I wonder why veld continues to stay the most valuable when that very fact should drive down it's own price. Is that because miners provide it, and industrialists buy it then gather the rest of the minerals themselves? I can't imagine someone flooding the market with mercoxit if veldspar is clear and beyond better isk yield.
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Waweri
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:38:00 -
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You need Trit for just about everything and with larger ships you need it in obnoxious quantities. For example a Maelstrom needs something like 14 million. (going off the bill of materials)
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Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
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Posted - 2009.04.14 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kadathan
Edited by: Kadathan on 14/04/2009 20:18:53
Well that's sort of surprising then, I wonder why veld continues to stay the most valuable when that very fact should drive down it's own price. Is that because miners provide it, and industrialists buy it then gather the rest of the minerals themselves? I can't imagine someone flooding the market with mercoxit if veldspar is clear and beyond better isk yield.
Oil, as it is valuable, should drop in price as well o then, as more people would drill for it. In actuality though, Veldspar demand has outpaced the easy supply (much like oil). Gone are the days of relatively large veldspar rocks cluttering up high-sec belts, just waiting for the picking. This difficulty of obtainment is just what keeps trit prices up, and what keeps oil so valuable. Unless there became an influx of supply (which would have to be from some low-sec/0.0 low-end mining techniques ala blast crystals), it's price will continue to stay high.
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