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Krayzee
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:19:00 -
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anyone have a basic setup to get me started (bored of mining, bored of npc's, bored of getting ganked in 0.0... lets fubar my sec status!)? Not asking for your uber setups, just a small push in the right direction... like missiles or turrets, EW or shield tank...
Thinking of losing a few BB to get a feel of pirating and setups, then going for it in the scorp, but I'd rather lose as few BB's as I can, hence me asking this question =]
Cheers me' harties, yarrr! 
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Krayzee
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:19:00 -
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anyone have a basic setup to get me started (bored of mining, bored of npc's, bored of getting ganked in 0.0... lets fubar my sec status!)? Not asking for your uber setups, just a small push in the right direction... like missiles or turrets, EW or shield tank...
Thinking of losing a few BB to get a feel of pirating and setups, then going for it in the scorp, but I'd rather lose as few BB's as I can, hence me asking this question =]
Cheers me' harties, yarrr!
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:53:00 -
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ew is an extremely powerful tool and I'd personally recomend it for pirating but only if your working with others becuase otherwise while you maybe able to stop ppl killing you so easily chance are they will leave the area long before you kill them.
For myself ive found for solo hunting in an inti like a crusader is suprisingly effective as long as you remember that you wont be able to kill any battleships. Killing cruisers can be 50/50 as they may have a setup that can deal with you or they may not. Frigates are pretty easy and indies are just begging to be ripped open.
If your going to use a bs or bb I'd strongly recommend you hunt in a group with at least 1 or 2 others that can fulfill the roles. As powerful as ew is its a support system not a true offensive one.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:53:00 -
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ew is an extremely powerful tool and I'd personally recomend it for pirating but only if your working with others becuase otherwise while you maybe able to stop ppl killing you so easily chance are they will leave the area long before you kill them.
For myself ive found for solo hunting in an inti like a crusader is suprisingly effective as long as you remember that you wont be able to kill any battleships. Killing cruisers can be 50/50 as they may have a setup that can deal with you or they may not. Frigates are pretty easy and indies are just begging to be ripped open.
If your going to use a bs or bb I'd strongly recommend you hunt in a group with at least 1 or 2 others that can fulfill the roles. As powerful as ew is its a support system not a true offensive one.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 26/08/2004 20:00:43
A scorp is one of the better solo-pirate battleships you can use.
4x Seige - Torps
2x Large Smartbomb
2x Warp Scrambler
1x Webber
1x MWD
1x Shield Booster
3x Appropriate racial jammer
2x Power Diagnostic
2x WCS/Backup Array II/PDU/Ballistic Control
Very effective at keeping people helpless, where you want them. Pretty suicidal if you run into something you cant jam, or something with friends.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.08.26 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 26/08/2004 20:00:43
A scorp is one of the better solo-pirate battleships you can use.
4x Seige - Torps
2x Large Smartbomb
2x Warp Scrambler
1x Webber
1x MWD
1x Shield Booster
3x Appropriate racial jammer
2x Power Diagnostic
2x WCS/Backup Array II/PDU/Ballistic Control
Very effective at keeping people helpless, where you want them. Pretty suicidal if you run into something you cant jam, or something with friends.
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Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:16:00 -
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The thing about it is, a Blackbird can be made effective against any class of ship, but not all of them. You can put as many multispecs on it as you like, and 3-5 will all have different strengths.
Three of them will let you keep a frigate from targeting you, and leave three more slots to trap them with webbers and scramblers (and believe me, you're going to want two webbers for frigs).
Four of them will let you shut down cruisers, and the obvious flaw is that frigates will be able to get away without sufficient webbing power on your part.
Five of them will give you enough EW power to shut down a battleship, and one more medslot for a scrambler. This can work, assuming a few things. The battleship has no drones, it doesn't have a MWD, and if it does don't hang around, because it can get outside of your targeting range and bombard you with long-range pain.
Of course these guidelines can backfire, anybody carrying backup sensor systems that you're trying to lock down will probably beat you, and F.O.F. missiles and drones can be unexpected. Don't be surprised if one of your victims still warps away once you've tried scrambling - anybody who has been into 0.4 and below before probably knows that a warp core stabilizer or two is a necessity.
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Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:16:00 -
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The thing about it is, a Blackbird can be made effective against any class of ship, but not all of them. You can put as many multispecs on it as you like, and 3-5 will all have different strengths.
Three of them will let you keep a frigate from targeting you, and leave three more slots to trap them with webbers and scramblers (and believe me, you're going to want two webbers for frigs).
Four of them will let you shut down cruisers, and the obvious flaw is that frigates will be able to get away without sufficient webbing power on your part.
Five of them will give you enough EW power to shut down a battleship, and one more medslot for a scrambler. This can work, assuming a few things. The battleship has no drones, it doesn't have a MWD, and if it does don't hang around, because it can get outside of your targeting range and bombard you with long-range pain.
Of course these guidelines can backfire, anybody carrying backup sensor systems that you're trying to lock down will probably beat you, and F.O.F. missiles and drones can be unexpected. Don't be surprised if one of your victims still warps away once you've tried scrambling - anybody who has been into 0.4 and below before probably knows that a warp core stabilizer or two is a necessity.
combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage. |
PaulLRyan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Pandora Panda
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 26/08/2004 20:00:43
A scorp is one of the better solo-pirate battleships you can use.
4x Seige - Torps
2x Large Smartbomb
2x Warp Scrambler
1x Webber
1x MWD
1x Shield Booster
3x Appropriate racial jammer
2x Power Diagnostic
2x WCS/Backup Array II/PDU/Ballistic Control
Very effective at keeping people helpless, where you want them. Pretty suicidal if you run into something you cant jam, or something with friends.
Just a noob style question but why do you prefer EW to trying to shield tank the scorp? Not being funny I'd honestly like your opinion as I can never seem to make up my mind between the two options.
PL |
PaulLRyan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pandora Panda
Edited by: Pandora Panda on 26/08/2004 20:00:43
A scorp is one of the better solo-pirate battleships you can use.
4x Seige - Torps
2x Large Smartbomb
2x Warp Scrambler
1x Webber
1x MWD
1x Shield Booster
3x Appropriate racial jammer
2x Power Diagnostic
2x WCS/Backup Array II/PDU/Ballistic Control
Very effective at keeping people helpless, where you want them. Pretty suicidal if you run into something you cant jam, or something with friends.
Just a noob style question but why do you prefer EW to trying to shield tank the scorp? Not being funny I'd honestly like your opinion as I can never seem to make up my mind between the two options.
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Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:59:00 -
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Shield tanking is probably better for battles with multiple people or NPCing, and EW is better when fighting solo. Shield tanking is for dealing damage longer when you're in the fight for a while, with EW you might not win if the other player decides to counter. It depends on your fighting style or what you want to do while in combat.
combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage. |
Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.08.26 21:59:00 -
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Shield tanking is probably better for battles with multiple people or NPCing, and EW is better when fighting solo. Shield tanking is for dealing damage longer when you're in the fight for a while, with EW you might not win if the other player decides to counter. It depends on your fighting style or what you want to do while in combat.
combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage. |
Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:08:00 -
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to jam any bs (ie. so that your covered no matter what you find) you need 4 multispecs (not 5...unless its changed in like the last 3 weeks or so) or 5 racials, 1 of each race but 2 of caldari (scorps have higher sensor strength), this gives you 6+2+2+2+2=14=enough to jam for M,A and G, and 18 for caldari. better to do it this way for 1 on 1 combats, as it uses less cap than multispectrals.
problem with either ew setup is, that if your opponent has 1 eccm module fitted, your screwed. youve wasted 4-5 med slots, and theyve wasted 1. so be prepared to get the hell out of there quickly if you have to :P
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:08:00 -
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to jam any bs (ie. so that your covered no matter what you find) you need 4 multispecs (not 5...unless its changed in like the last 3 weeks or so) or 5 racials, 1 of each race but 2 of caldari (scorps have higher sensor strength), this gives you 6+2+2+2+2=14=enough to jam for M,A and G, and 18 for caldari. better to do it this way for 1 on 1 combats, as it uses less cap than multispectrals.
problem with either ew setup is, that if your opponent has 1 eccm module fitted, your screwed. youve wasted 4-5 med slots, and theyve wasted 1. so be prepared to get the hell out of there quickly if you have to :P
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Kyroki Tirpellan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:15:00 -
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Because if it can't target you there's no need to shield tank, get it? 
Peace through love, understanding and superior firepower.
Real men structure tank! |
Kyroki Tirpellan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:15:00 -
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Because if it can't target you there's no need to shield tank, get it?
Peace through love, understanding and superior firepower.
Real men structure tank! |
Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:54:00 -
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4 Multispecs...d'oh! He's right!
/emote feels like an imbecile.
What a terribly bad mistake in multiplication I was making all this time...so all those times I had a BB with four multispecs, I could probably have stayed and laughed at anything but a Caldari BS that happened to pass by?
Wow.
combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage. |
Fighterpilotjp
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Posted - 2004.08.26 22:54:00 -
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4 Multispecs...d'oh! He's right!
/emote feels like an imbecile.
What a terribly bad mistake in multiplication I was making all this time...so all those times I had a BB with four multispecs, I could probably have stayed and laughed at anything but a Caldari BS that happened to pass by?
Wow.
combat Your Tachyon Beam Laser I hits Blood Arch Templar, doing 133.7 damage. |
PaulLRyan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kyroki Tirpellan
Because if it can't target you there's no need to shield tank, get it?
Yeah I got that bit. My concern was that if your target is even slightly prepared against EW you have a whole load of wasted med slots where as with shield tanking it's always gonna work. Also once you loose some shield to the MWD it seems like the scorp isn't gonna take too much punishment if things go bad. Like I said though I've only recently got my second scorp so I'm no expert (first one died to CONCORD when I forgot what sec the system was I was flying through! oooops!)
Mind you it appears that the general feeling is for EW so I'll give that a go. |
PaulLRyan
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Posted - 2004.08.26 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kyroki Tirpellan
Because if it can't target you there's no need to shield tank, get it?
Yeah I got that bit. My concern was that if your target is even slightly prepared against EW you have a whole load of wasted med slots where as with shield tanking it's always gonna work. Also once you loose some shield to the MWD it seems like the scorp isn't gonna take too much punishment if things go bad. Like I said though I've only recently got my second scorp so I'm no expert (first one died to CONCORD when I forgot what sec the system was I was flying through! oooops!)
Mind you it appears that the general feeling is for EW so I'll give that a go. |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.08.26 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 26/08/2004 23:29:59
Originally by: PaulLRyan
Just a noob style question but why do you prefer EW to trying to shield tank the scorp? Not being funny I'd honestly like your opinion as I can never seem to make up my mind between the two options.
PL
In order to keep mining/NPCing battleships where you can see them, you need at least 2 warp scramblers, a webber, and a MWD. That leaves 4 midslots, which is a crappy tank to begin with, plus the MWD which means your ability to absorb damage even tanked is nil. I'd much rather jam him and smartbomb his drones.
For multiple ships, youre better off with a cycle-jamming multispec setup, but you wont be able to warp scramble, so thats of little use to a pirate.
And if you think your target is going to be prepared with backup arrays, load a pair of WCS. He shouldnt have the scramble strength to hold you down. You really shouldnt be going toe-to-toe with a PVP rigged battleship though, since you dont have the damage output to ***** most tanks.
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Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.08.26 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Pandora Panda on 26/08/2004 23:29:59
Originally by: PaulLRyan
Just a noob style question but why do you prefer EW to trying to shield tank the scorp? Not being funny I'd honestly like your opinion as I can never seem to make up my mind between the two options.
PL
In order to keep mining/NPCing battleships where you can see them, you need at least 2 warp scramblers, a webber, and a MWD. That leaves 4 midslots, which is a crappy tank to begin with, plus the MWD which means your ability to absorb damage even tanked is nil. I'd much rather jam him and smartbomb his drones.
For multiple ships, youre better off with a cycle-jamming multispec setup, but you wont be able to warp scramble, so thats of little use to a pirate.
And if you think your target is going to be prepared with backup arrays, load a pair of WCS. He shouldnt have the scramble strength to hold you down. You really shouldnt be going toe-to-toe with a PVP rigged battleship though, since you dont have the damage output to ***** most tanks.
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.08.27 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Helmut 314 on 27/08/2004 10:16:53
Ok, if you want to setup the BB for pirating please do this :
Lowslots : 2 cap relays
medslot : 6 civilian shield boosters
Highslots : 2x 75 mm gatling rails and 2x std launchers with defenders
That would help the rest of Eve a lot.
And your secstatus still will drop like a rock!
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Trying is the first step of failure
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2004.08.27 10:15:00 -
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Edited by: Helmut 314 on 27/08/2004 10:16:53
Ok, if you want to setup the BB for pirating please do this :
Lowslots : 2 cap relays
medslot : 6 civilian shield boosters
Highslots : 2x 75 mm gatling rails and 2x std launchers with defenders
That would help the rest of Eve a lot.
And your secstatus still will drop like a rock!
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Trying is the first step of failure
- Homer J Simpson |
Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:18:00 -
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pirate scorps go boom gud.
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Boonaki
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:18:00 -
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pirate scorps go boom gud.
Fear the Ibis of doom. |
Doven
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:44:00 -
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hello Krazee, 
I currently fly a BB and simply love it. It is perhaps the most underated cruiser type around as well as been left on the shelf since the agility of the ship was nurfed a couple patches back. But I will insist that this does not make the ship any for the worse. The BB was my first cruiser and I have use of all Minmitar and Caldari cruisers. Though Caracal is by far probably the fastest killer of ANY cruiser, BB rates still an awsome preformer and a fun ship to fly as well as easy to outfit with low level engineering, electuical and navigation skills. Here is my set for low-mid level pilots, and I hope this helps.
High Slots.
3 Heavy Launchers (named if you can use Malkuth being lowest XR-3200 highest)
1 250mm Rail. (Alpha or compressed being the best) Use Iridium.
NOTE: I do not use defenders as there is no need.. know your range and use your Velocity indicator (option in scanner set up)in scanner. Rail gun primarily used to "pull" as well as hamper mobs repair rate. Mobs will stop short and hold now days.
Mid Slots.
3 Cap 1 rechargers
1 Medium Shield booster (preferebly named if you can)
1 10Mn Afterburner (preferebly named)
1 10Mn MWD
NOTE:.. Set AB to repeat and MWD to auto. Use velocity indicator on scanner to "pulse" your MWD when the mob pulses thiers. This keeps range as well as saves cap power. Make sure to set your Shield booster to manual as well. Shield boosters main focus is to heal you if by some slim chance something like a Mortifier or Erasure gets too close.. :)
Low slots.
1 Power Diagnostics 1
1 Ballistics Control Unit (nice if you get dread ballistics)..lol
And thats it!. Ive used hardeners, Ive used armor tanking, Ive used shield recharge/tanking.. Ive used bla bla bla.. The set up above has been the most rewarding and enjoyable.
Flying a BB is a rare breed it seems anymore but I think that you will respect its abilities more once you outfit as above. It even gets much nicer when your skills get up and you find those named I spoke of.
Cheers.
Doven
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Doven
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:44:00 -
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hello Krazee,
I currently fly a BB and simply love it. It is perhaps the most underated cruiser type around as well as been left on the shelf since the agility of the ship was nurfed a couple patches back. But I will insist that this does not make the ship any for the worse. The BB was my first cruiser and I have use of all Minmitar and Caldari cruisers. Though Caracal is by far probably the fastest killer of ANY cruiser, BB rates still an awsome preformer and a fun ship to fly as well as easy to outfit with low level engineering, electuical and navigation skills. Here is my set for low-mid level pilots, and I hope this helps.
High Slots.
3 Heavy Launchers (named if you can use Malkuth being lowest XR-3200 highest)
1 250mm Rail. (Alpha or compressed being the best) Use Iridium.
NOTE: I do not use defenders as there is no need.. know your range and use your Velocity indicator (option in scanner set up)in scanner. Rail gun primarily used to "pull" as well as hamper mobs repair rate. Mobs will stop short and hold now days.
Mid Slots.
3 Cap 1 rechargers
1 Medium Shield booster (preferebly named if you can)
1 10Mn Afterburner (preferebly named)
1 10Mn MWD
NOTE:.. Set AB to repeat and MWD to auto. Use velocity indicator on scanner to "pulse" your MWD when the mob pulses thiers. This keeps range as well as saves cap power. Make sure to set your Shield booster to manual as well. Shield boosters main focus is to heal you if by some slim chance something like a Mortifier or Erasure gets too close.. :)
Low slots.
1 Power Diagnostics 1
1 Ballistics Control Unit (nice if you get dread ballistics)..lol
And thats it!. Ive used hardeners, Ive used armor tanking, Ive used shield recharge/tanking.. Ive used bla bla bla.. The set up above has been the most rewarding and enjoyable.
Flying a BB is a rare breed it seems anymore but I think that you will respect its abilities more once you outfit as above. It even gets much nicer when your skills get up and you find those named I spoke of.
Cheers.
Doven
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Doven
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:52:00 -
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LOL.. oh crap read this wrong..
well. YOU want to be the pirate. Nevermind the set above as this would probably get you mangled.
Ill leave the first reply up anyway 
sorry but I thought you wanted to hunt NPC pirates.. hehe my bad.
Doven
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Doven
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Posted - 2004.08.27 11:52:00 -
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LOL.. oh crap read this wrong..
well. YOU want to be the pirate. Nevermind the set above as this would probably get you mangled.
Ill leave the first reply up anyway
sorry but I thought you wanted to hunt NPC pirates.. hehe my bad.
Doven
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