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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.05 05:43:00 -
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Id love to see the idea of one time large fees instituted for both learning skills and clones as well as the lowering of jump clone standings requirements OR Estel Arador being advertised and recommended IN the tutorial as well as the infomorph psych skillbook being a mandatory drop and installment within the tutorial plan.
Learning implants that last however many deaths but cost a reduced equivalent of what they would be on market multiplied by the number of deaths allowed. Anywhere from 50 or so mil for +2s to a few hundred mil for +3s or +4s. Do NOT do this to +5s. Make something that is risky. Id almost opt out +4s myself and only have +2s and +3s available for the bulk death style of play. This would also allow those who will drop the isk on them the ability to fit LG or HG or the new Genolution implant sets ontop of that if they wish to put those sets at risk in PvP. Then give us more Genolution style sets with only 2 of each attribute affected but with other nifty bonuses. I really LOVE the Genolution sets for fittings and other bonus values.
Clone contracts. Make them one time fees per clone grade with unlimited deaths within that clone grade but up the cost. This way you will always reclone into the right clone unless you skill up beyond it. Make this at least 10-20 times the current clone grade costs. Can be weighted or averaged towards or away from certain clone grades based on playerwide information.
Jump clone standings shouldnt be such a grind. Perhaps 6.0 standing with a corp simply so that you do not give null sec +5 blues jump clones but must set corps or alliances +10 to give them jump clones as well. 6.0 Standings is just above L4 agents. If you give newbies the Estel option in the tutorial its not so much an issue though as then the vast majority of new players WILL be able to have jump clones immediately.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.05 06:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Learning implants that last however many deaths but cost a reduced equivalent of what they would be on market multiplied by the number of deaths allowed. Anywhere from 50 or so mil for +2s to a few hundred mil for +3s or +4s. Do NOT do this to +5s. Make something that is risky. Id almost opt out +4s myself and only have +2s and +3s available for the bulk death style of play. This would also allow those who will drop the isk on them the ability to fit LG or HG or the new Genolution implant sets ontop of that if they wish to put those sets at risk in PvP. Then give us more Genolution style sets with only 2 of each attribute affected but with other nifty bonuses. I really LOVE the Genolution sets for fittings and other bonus values. Implant insurance. Interesting concept. A hefty upfront plus additional "cost-share" (or whatever the term is) each time you are podded might be interesting. Of course, the contract will be many times the cost of an implant, have a fixed term and a significant cost per podding. Eeeh, sounds like a lot of coding work. Definitely not for special implants though, CONCORD insuring pirate type implants seems wrong...
No not insurance. Simply a larger upfront fee for the clone grade then unlimited clones at that grade. If you never skill beyond that grade then youd ever have to pay for a new clone contract again. If you were still skilling then eventually youd hit a new contract fee and have to pay it upfront again or go under cloned up to your existing contract.
Make it almost the same scale it is now just multiply it by 10-20 times the clone contract now for the unlimited and away you go. Also raise the base clone from 900K to something reasonable for noobs say a few million. Though itll be abused by alts Im sure.
Id even go so far as to make -5 and unders have to get special contracts from low sec agents only. Not sure if Id make it more expensive or not, just something interesting in the storyline to have to get it or to keep it due to them being "outlaws" and not able to deal with a reputable cloner.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.05 06:49:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:EVE is not dumbed down without learning skills, but they are basically what the game is. Smart intelligent moves that may be boring but will help you progress in the long run. While many people may enjoy many aspects of the game in their own way, that is essentially what the entire game is.
This is ironically how life is as well. I support it entirely. Eve is a long term game. When I started we didnt know what implants WERE let alone learning skills. We learned with time though and its paid off in the long run. I hate short term players with I want it NOW mentalities. This is a game where you think 3-6 months down the road if not 6 months to a year. And thats as it should be so the loss of learning skills is what kept a lot of instant gratification babies out of Eve which I was very glad for.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.05 22:10:00 -
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Are you guys serious!?!? Jump clones being the main reason NOT to go PvP cuz your in a +5 set? Rediculous!! AT BEST!!
Clone 1 +5s
Clone 2 Specific +3s (Intel/mem or Percp/Will)
Clone 3 Other Specific +3s (Reverse of Clone 2)
Cost of PvP is one jump clone and 15mil MAX and youll still get over 60% of your training time. Thats a T2 fitted T1 cruiser cost to put at "risk".
Hardwirings? HA!! You incursioned with an alt get some cheap 2%s. Make yourself a set of those. Total cost to you?!? A whopping 10mil for 5 hardiwrings.
So thats 25mil MAX your putting at risk for PvP. Cost of a T2 frigate with fittings. If your too poor to afford that out there in the large isk printing null machine then your too poor and stupid to play Eve period. Stop whining HTFU!!
Go spend an hour ratting and youll have your ship and your clone for the next op. Go spend an hour running some anoms or plexs. Go spend an hour in a WH with your buddies. Go run incursions for an hour. Go run L4 missions for an hour. Hell go MINING for an hour. Or just buy plex and sell it on market.
Only people I see whining about this are null bears too CHEAP to buy implants. With all that nullbear isk Im surprised they dont hand OUT implants when you get podded by now like ship replacement funds.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.07 05:31:00 -
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Okay so in ALL the other threads its all about MOAR RISK!!!! NOT ENOUGH RISK!!!! RISKLESS!!! So now that you HAVE risk due to getting podded with implants in and having a REAL loss you suddenly want it changed to LESS risk?!?!
Nullbear whine!! Either you want MOAR risk or you want LESS risk. Pick one.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.08 01:12:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Okay so in ALL the other threads its all about MOAR RISK!!!! NOT ENOUGH RISK!!!! RISKLESS!!! So now that you HAVE risk due to getting podded with implants in and having a REAL loss you suddenly want it changed to LESS risk?!?! Nullbear whine!! Either you want MOAR risk or you want LESS risk. Pick one. In order to have more people joining in on the fun of pvp some risks need to be removed. When it comes to the fear of being podded, this is always due to attribute implants. When I've pvp'd with my implanted clone I have never once worried about the amount of money in my head, but rather the amount of training I would lose in the event of a podding. If we wish to make pvp a bit more popular then we have to do something to take away some risks. I feel that attribute implants is the perfect place to look. Those noobs and even those older players might actually be willing to come out a play at least in a frig.
No you dont and you wont by taking away the major reason that null bears are whining in this thread to try to get implants changed. Those who DONT PvP wont even if you remove the implants and then of course the ONLY people that will benefit are the null secers that get podded frequently. Again your arguing to cater to the null bear whine....as per usual in this game.
You think that dramatically by changing the game to suit you your going to push your pseudo BS line about how its beneficial for the noob which it isnt. A noob is still pathetically challenged in ANY PvP situation just because hes a noob. Implants are NOT a major factor. I see the skill point barriers that many corps and alliances impose as being more of a factor than anything in their heads. Or the fact that instant gratification and I wants it now mentality of the majority of people is to blame. Eve is a game of months and years not minutes or days. Training skill times dictate that, nothing else. Either you wait and learn or you dont.
Noone when they get into this game wants to lose. I remember getting WTFPWNed by m0o in mara in my lil condor way back in the day. They were older, better and better trained I was a noob and therefore I sucked. There was nothing I could do. That is Eve, it is cold, brutal, dark and harsh. Its why Im still here I love that environment. By taking that away your removing the risk that having implants IS for the game. You want something faster? RISK something!! You want your cake and to eat it to. Thats horse **** plain and simple.
You want to PvP and say that by removing YOUR risk youll make it better for ALL the lil nooblets coming into the game cuz its SOO expensive. Teach them! Educate them ALL! Make it mandatory to have jump clones and to USE them. 24 hours isnt a huge amount of time to spend in a dif clone and its certainly not a huge learning loss. Now for those of you that do nothign but PvP and are whining here.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You get NO sympathy. Youll go WTFPWN some mack or hulk in a belt and laugh at their tears easy enough but YOU lose your precious training time? WHIIIIIIINE!!!
You all got more whine than a vineyard!!
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:38:00 -
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Zyress wrote:Risk vs reward is a 2 way street, I use +5's anytime I'm not in a pvp clone , its still a risk, the odds are just slightly better when you are missioning, mining (very slightly) or playing the market than when you are actively seeking a fight. Some people will not ever actively seek a fight and you want to nerf them because their reward is faster training time among other things. Your reward is the pvp which I assume you want, your awesome epeen of being some null-sec alliances pet dog, million isk bounties on rats and exotic modules not available in High-sec. I'd add exotic ores and moon goo to that but lets face it that stuff goes to your masters. You can add faster training time to your rewards if you want, I always hear you people talking about risk vs reward, if the reward is worth it to you wear the f@%&ing implants. You made your choice they made theirs, live with it.
Just gotta repost this.
QFT!!
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.10 03:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:This thread is created by poor have me nots demanding equality. It promotes "all equal" philosphy in a game designed to do the opposite. I use +5s I can afford them, I pvp in them and they are just fine. If you can't you suck, you fail and no one cares.
You have no right to less risk, equality beyond rules we play by or any other nonsense.
This change equates to the fail often thrust upon games of risk, the lessening of it. Empire PVP doesn't count for risking implants, especially not highsec where you do yours. Because we never pod people in high sec right? Get over yourself son, nullsec is no more challenging than low or high. It's merely sovereignty claimable space. Thats it. Nothing more. Can you use interdiction in highsec? How about lowsec? No? That's entirely my point. There's almost zero risk to your pod in empire PVP unless you're a dumbass or just really, really unlucky. The rest of your post was exceedingly irrelevant. I'm not claiming anything about my playing style being superior to yours. I'm stating that there is, inherently, far greater risk to my pods than there is to yours. You can warp out, 100% of the time, as soon as your ship is destroyed. I don't always have that option.
Yes and you CHOOSE that option in order to GAIN the benefits of null sec. Something not everyone HAS to do. Its a risk vs reward TRADEOFF. Some make it ONE way and others make it the OTHER way.
You want the rewards of null sec? They come with reduced training time OR your going to give away some nice pod mails now. Your whine is ridiculous.
HTFU Nullbear.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.11 03:01:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:
Like I said, apart from not having an updated clone and flying a t3 you should never have to risk SP. You risk isk to gain isk.
Yet you dont risk SP. If you want the faster SP training you must risk it in ur pod.
All you are arguing is a nerf to high sec and a buff to null sec because of the WAY you play a game. PERIOD. Theres is not other reason this argument exists. You hate that someone else has something YOU cant have because of where you are in the game YET your perfectly fine that you have moon goo or other nice nifty bonuses that you get in null because you are THERE and it cannot be gotten somewhere else.
Ultimately you want to have your cake and eat it to.
You all made your choice the way you wanted to play and where. Now your reaping the cost of being there. And instead of HTFU and dealing with it as a way of life your screaming on the forums for a nerf/buff to make it all even and saying its "for the noobs" which its NOT its for null sec bears who are now whining.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
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Posted - 2012.05.11 08:50:00 -
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Implants for high sec are a trade off. Theres lots of cheap ways to put implants into your clones. Some of which have been suggested here. And if you can afford to PvP in BC, T2 or T3 hulls but CANNOT afford even TWO +3s for your current attribute enhancements which gives you 3/5s of the training time and KEEP those in each time you get podded in null you are definitely either dying FAR to much or you suck at making isk in Eve and should never be flying the fleet setups your flying.
And if your Alliance has a ship replacement fund why not just have them *gulp* set up an implant replacement fund for every pod loss mail? I mean theyre swimming in isk according to the numbers. Its up to the players to use whats given to them NOT for CCP to nerf **** to oblivion everytime someone bitches.
Implants are NOT mandatory they are suggested highly at a price......RISK of loss.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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