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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.04.15 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 15/04/2009 12:00:28
I like EVE. It the best MMO out there. But that doesnt mean its close to ideal.
Bad game design progression.
-jump gates - static choke points
-warp scrams - to make sure people choke
-warp stabilizers - to save you from choking
-cloaks - to help you live through static choke points
-bubbles - to make gates more choking
-cyno - totally skip the stupid choke points
-t3 bubble immunes - to give people who actually want to fly through space the ability to compete with cyno
It would have been much cooler if the whole game had been Worm Holes from the start.
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Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.15 11:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Ghoest
I like EVE. It the best MMO out there. But that doesnt mean its close to idea.
Bad game design progression.
-jump gates - static choke points
-warp scrams - to make sure people choke
-warp stabilizers - to save you from choking
-cloaks - to help you live through static choke points
-bubbles - to make gates more choking
-cyno - totally skip the stupid choke points
-t3 bubble immunes - to give people who actually want to fly through space the ability to compete with cyno
It would have been much cooler if the whole game had been Worm Holes from the start.
T3 are not immune to scrammers though.
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Juliette DuBois on 15/04/2009 12:02:48
Gates and generally most pvp happening at zoning spots (gates/stations) is why EVE is quite flawed game. Other things have just been introduced to give variability to choke point pvp.
Those bubble immune T3 ships are going to really popular if prices become affordable, all you need is a cloak (be it covert or not) and you can pass through just about any camp anywhere.
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Georgina Eldridge
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 15/04/2009 12:00:28
I like EVE. It the best MMO out there. But that doesnt mean its close to ideal.
Bad game design progression.
-jump gates - static choke points
-warp scrams - to make sure people choke
-warp stabilizers - to save you from choking
-cloaks - to help you live through static choke points
-bubbles - to make gates more choking
-cyno - totally skip the stupid choke points
-t3 bubble immunes - to give people who actually want to fly through space the ability to compete with cyno
It would have been much cooler if the whole game had been Worm Holes from the start.
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YOU ARE WRONG EVE IS GOOD GAME
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Georgina Eldridge
YOU ARE WRONG EVE IS GOOD GAME
Ummm. I thought I covered that hen I said EVE was the best MMO. But ya thanks for trying.
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:06:00 -
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great thing about choke points is that you can try to avoid them.
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Ahura Dracul
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:07:00 -
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Gatecamp Online
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:30:00 -
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lately its been turning into wine and cheese online. Good thing Im Gallente, then again I would have been called Nova Renard instead if i was fully.
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
lately its been turning into wine and cheese online
It has always been whine online.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
great thing about choke points is that you can try to avoid them.
He's been whining about them in the other thread. I'm assuming that he got lazy and consequently got popped.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:53:00 -
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huh?
95% of the time I tool around in a covert ops, Im nearly immune to getting popped. I dont do much except smuggle odds and ends, but I dont get popped much unless Im back in my alliance space messing around in a fleet ship.
I can easily play around bad game design - that doesnt mean its fun.
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Mupfologue
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:56:00 -
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Gatecamp is irrelevant when you never leave J4M4.
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Gilgamesh1980
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.15 12:56:00 -
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do we have any Heimlich rigs for all the choking in this thread?
Federic 'Gilgamesh1980' Chopin
Supreme Commander and Diplomat of the Black Rabbits and Gurlstas associates |
Draeca
Tharri and Co.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 13:10:00 -
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Last night I was roaming around from minmataria all the way to gallente space through genesis and various other amarr hellholes. While I was travelling, I got this great idea of how great it'd be if there was no starmaps or "set destination" buttons. That would bring WH-like exploration to real world and we'd have frustrated, lost tears all around.
Me, a masochist? No way.
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Rordan D'Kherr
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Posted - 2009.04.15 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
I like EVE. It the best MMO out there. But that doesnt mean its close to ideal.
Ok.
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: FlyinS on 15/04/2009 14:31:07
Yeah because in real historical battles it's not like there were ever "camped" chokepoints.
I can just imagine when the Allies invaded Normandy they were yelling, "WTF n00bz? Can't fight straight up have to camp these chokepoints up the beach?"
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:50:00 -
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Ummm you notice that wasnt a naval battle?
Occassionaly in history naval battles have involved choke points - but its been the rare exception.
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Gambit Stryder
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:13:00 -
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I hear WoW has no chokepoints.
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:27:00 -
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A lot of fighting takes place at gates. If CCP tries to do something about it (agility, bigger spawn radius around regional gates,...) the whining reaches new dimensions.
It is difficult to have unconsensual pvp without choke points, isn't it..?
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:39:00 -
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if you choke (point) you got no clue of what me and my homie snoop dogg came to do
it's like this
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: H Lecter
It is difficult to have unconsensual pvp without choke points, isn't it..?
Only if the designers want it that way.
Of course it might require a bit more initiative from the instigators than than just sitting and waiting.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:45:00 -
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Boring thread........
NEEDS MORE FALCON!
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Hoodlums Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
Boring thread........
NEEDS MORE FALCON!
The OP died to a gate camp BECAUSE OF FALCON
The OP had a carrier hotdrop his raven BECAUSE OF FALCON
A stabbed blocade runner escaped the OP's gate camp BECAUSE OF FALCON
does this please you?
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: H Lecter
It is difficult to have unconsensual pvp without choke points, isn't it..?
Only if the designers want it that way.
Of course it might require a bit more initiative from the instigators than than just sitting and waiting.
i agree, let us warp to people by right clicking in local.
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Mr Ignitious
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 15/04/2009 12:00:28
I like EVE. It the best MMO out there. But that doesnt mean its close to ideal.
Bad game design progression.
-jump gates - static choke points
-warp scrams - to make sure people choke
-warp stabilizers - to save you from choking
-cloaks - to help you live through static choke points
-bubbles - to make gates more choking
-cyno - totally skip the stupid choke points
-t3 bubble immunes - to give people who actually want to fly through space the ability to compete with cyno
It would have been much cooler if the whole game had been Worm Holes from the start.
spelling edit
GB2WoW
You don't wanna get caught by nonconsentual pvp then you aren't for eve
I read the forums assuming there are no trolls, only really stupid people.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Boring thread........
NEEDS MORE FALCON!
The OP died to a gate camp BECAUSE OF FALCON
The OP had a carrier hotdrop his raven BECAUSE OF FALCON
A stabbed blocade runner escaped the OP's gate camp BECAUSE OF FALCON
does this please you?
FALCONS CAUSE EYE STRAIN!
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Chris Liath
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:54:00 -
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T3 ships are immune to bubbles? o.O'
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Faife
i agree, let us warp to people by right clicking in local.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 15/04/2009 16:22:22
If you removed gates you'd pretty much turn this into a de facto consensual PvP game, where in most cases only those actually looking for a fight against other players who are also looking for a fight ever engage each other. Being able to victimize the unwary has always been a selling point of the game, and one of the key factors distinguishing it from Hello Kitty tbh.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.15 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum
If you removed gates you'd pretty much turn this into a de facto consensual PvP game, where in most cases only those actually looking for a fight against other players who are also looking for a fight ever engage each other. Being able to victimize the unwary has always been a selling point of the game, and one of the key factors distinguishing it from Hello Kitty tbh.
Of course there are more agility changes coming, if you've seen that thread, and no longer will dual sensor-boosted HICs fail to scram trimarked cruisers exiting gates. So, gate piracy buff is inbound, at least. Personally I maintain the position that Low Sec space needs to be more lucrative for PvEers so pirates actually have people in belts other than naive week-old characters to shoot.
I disagree. I feel that if you removed gates, you'd push all PvP into the few other static objects in system: stations and belts. It would go far to kill off mining operations and solo-ratters, and further reinforce staying in hisec for the weak of heart.
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