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TraderE
Meatsickle Trading Anonymous
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Posted - 2009.04.16 00:15:00 -
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Sorry for the obtuse title.
Anyway, I'd like to thank you for simultaneously jacking up the price in all 3 major markets (rens, amarr, jita) to nearly the same level (4.4-4.8 million) just now. I congratulate you for expending billions of isk (600m of which went to me) to corner the market in this particular item, and I hope that you are able to unload your massive stockpile by the time it crashes, which it undoubtedly will, probably starting tomorrow. On the other hand, I would also find it quite hilarious if you weren't able to do so and got hosed.
It's an impressive maneuver, to be sure. Please let us know how it goes!
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Kilgore Tr0ut
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Posted - 2009.04.16 00:17:00 -
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My name is Kilgore Trout, and I approve this message!
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TraderE
Meatsickle Trading Anonymous
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Posted - 2009.04.16 00:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Kilgore Tr0ut
My name is Kilgore Trout, and I approve this message!
Funny, I happen to be reading slaughterhouse 5 atm :)
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 01:11:00 -
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Why will the market crash? Just curious because I played with the thought of stockpiling them but decided against it.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.16 02:13:00 -
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Was there something in the patch notes I missed? Time to re-read.
Otherwise the market will crash because torp launchers are simply not that popular since the missile nerf. Rats crap them out a rate far, far, FAR faster than mission bears can eat. There's a reason missioners sold them for as little as 300K a pop.
When they're that cheap it's not worth making a jita run. At current price levels hell yeah I'll do an all asset search to see if I've got a big stack to cash in with.
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente
Legion Infernal
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 02:30:00 -
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cough stealth cough bomber!
EVE Knowledge
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TraderE
Meatsickle Trading Anonymous
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Posted - 2009.04.16 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Yelan Zhou
Why will the market crash? Just curious because I played with the thought of stockpiling them but decided against it.
before the bomber boost, they were at 100-150k per unit. Now they've been pushed up to 4.8 mil per unit. With the bomber boost and switch to torps, the demand is definitely going to be higher, because pretty much nobody wanted them before. However, bombers are still not going to be every-gang kinds of ships, demand for them will never equal the demand for cruises (because the carebears <3 their cruise launchers), and 4.8 mil per unit is solely based on hype and pre-patch speculation. They'll probably end up around 1-1.5 mil, which would reflect the adequate but not overwhelming demand for the module.
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WTS JooKrap
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Posted - 2009.04.16 02:47:00 -
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I made a few mil off this market manipulation too, both during and after - about 40m when my stock was bought up, then another ~20m at the new price. Same happened with the Meta3 (ZW-something) Siege Launchers and I'm reaping the benefits there as well. I don't have the ISK yet to manipulate the market like that, but don't mind riding the back of someone else that does. Buy order prices jumped significantly for Arby launchers as others tried to get in on the new sell price, but I too see the sell prices dropping significantly after the patch so I left my buy order unchanged.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.04.16 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Clair Bear on 16/04/2009 02:51:47
Found it, right there on page 1. Yeah, someone is being way, way too optimistic.
They'd have been better off manipulating implant prices, TBH. Now that *IS* a market with a huge demand now that 0.0 and w-space residents are going to need more than one implant set a month.
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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.04.16 05:22:00 -
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I don't see much of a true demand increase coming. The hisec community will still not use stealth bombers, and the 0.0 crowd will still prefer ratting ships and pvp BS/HACs.
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Saggy Glands
Amalgamated Transport And Trade
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Posted - 2009.04.16 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Stardust CEO
I don't see much of a true demand increase coming. The hisec community will still not use stealth bombers, and the 0.0 crowd will still prefer ratting ships and pvp BS/HACs.
^^This
Expected increase in demand won't materialize. The stealth bomber I own has become a hangar ornament. I will look at it and reminisce about the days gone by when I wouldn't flinch when landing inside multiple bubbles on a gate with a fleet of red vagabonds flashing wildly at me. |
Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2009.04.16 07:39:00 -
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You mean people won't want to fly a suicide ship that costs (after profiteering) 25-35m for a hull, 8m for a cov ops cloak, 12m for a set of arb siege, etc? I FIND THIS DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE SIR.
I just finished unloading my cloaks, lets see how far that runs without size on the ask now :\
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Annika Petrovich
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Posted - 2009.04.16 07:41:00 -
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I did the math on this and it's pretty lol.
Badly calculated gamble is a badly calculated gamble.
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Dagda Morr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.04.16 07:57:00 -
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While I think demand will drop significantly, there should be a decent spike - Stealth Bombers have a bit of a cult following (regardless of how effective they are!) and every single one of those pilots is going to have to fit 3x torps post patch where they had crusise launchers before. I suspect we'll see a reasonable number of launchers being dumped on the market post-patch too.
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LadyOfWrath
Caldari
One Stop Mining Shop
One Stop Research
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Posted - 2009.04.16 08:49:00 -
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Well its a good thing I have not resold the arby siege launchers I got from buy orders for the past 4 months. I hope whoever did it reads this because I am about to make him/her lose a lot of ISK unless he/she has a very large bank roll. 
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adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 10:40:00 -
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someone also bought all stealth bombers in rens and is now trying to resell them for 45m+ mill....:/ I'm betting the market on both will crash during the next few days very rapidly.
no-ones tried manipulating cov op cloaks yet though...or did that happen when i was sleeping?
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Saggy Glands
Amalgamated Transport And Trade
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dagda Morr
While I think demand will drop significantly, there should be a decent spike - Stealth Bombers have a bit of a cult following (regardless of how effective they are!) and every single one of those pilots is going to have to fit 3x torps post patch where they had crusise launchers before. I suspect we'll see a reasonable number of launchers being dumped on the market post-patch too.
For a good number of those stealth bomber fanatics, the ship is the only reason they even have standard missile launcher I trained. Consequently one of the running undercurrents of protest was a, "Wtf these 1.5 mil I put into missiles are dead SP now", moment.
So I suspect those jaded users are not likely to go out and buy 3x torp launchers and hyper inflated prices...when they don't even have the skills to use them.  |
EATMYPOSGUN
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:20:00 -
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Well I am one of the very rare players that loves my SB ,Its all I fly :)
and I know most players hate them and shelf them or blow em up, I dont think this patch will change that felling much at all.
PS : Yes please someone do something about cloak prizes come on 7 to 8 mill :)
I want to see 16 to 20 again in jita LOL
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Hornymatt
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:22:00 -
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Sounds interesting, I have quite several hundred arbie sieges stashed away from mission loot and ratting in Curse. I never could bring myself to sell them or reprocess them given that I recall paying 65 million a piece way back 
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Alice Blue
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:29:00 -
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Full disclosure, I just offloaded ~3000 arby sieges at 3mil, and am very very happy. I will be happy to be proven long, but I suspect I should have held onto my stockpile longer. I've been trading in these for a while, and this manipulation started long before the patch notes hit the forum.
There's another factor involved here: the drop rate of arby sieges post apocrypha has gone down a lot (if my observation of influx at mission hubs is any indicator). Not only is demand about to increase dramatically, supply has been choked off during the last month.
I'll be interested to see what happens.
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Confuzer
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.04.16 11:53:00 -
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Aah nice... and I still have 666 cheap bought covert op mods lying around... hope they increase too, now the demand will grow :)
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Solar Ra
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:02:00 -
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Have to agree with Alice Blue, I had no issues selling the ,relatively small, stock of Arb's I had lying around.
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Remus Kurgan
Caldari
Void Engineers
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:04:00 -
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Won't there be higher demand for T2 launchers anyway, considering the fairly low range of the siege missiles? I kinda wonder if Concord will be fast enough to pop the ships before their missiles even reach the target on suicide ganks.
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Finnbar OReilly
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Stardust CEO
I don't see much of a true demand increase coming. The hisec community will still not use stealth bombers, and the 0.0 crowd will still prefer ratting ships and pvp BS/HACs.
I think SBs are going to go way up in price. They can use a black ops bridge, and black ops bridges will now work in cynojammed sytems. Since cynojammers are (were) almost impossible to take down in a titan-defended system, you're going to see alot of these attempts - 100+ SBs quick-striking a cynojammer with their torp launchers.
I hope.
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Sir Elliot
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:34:00 -
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Why, exactly, would SBs go up in price?
Generally for an item to go up in price it must be able to contribute. Stealth bombers are worthless.
All the people who flew them previously (and complained about the wasted missile skill) have just been asked by CCP to drop another 1.5m into missile skills that won't do anything.
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Tasko Pal
THE IRIS
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Remus Kurgan
Won't there be higher demand for T2 launchers anyway, considering the fairly low range of the siege missiles? I kinda wonder if Concord will be fast enough to pop the ships before their missiles even reach the target on suicide ganks.
If the suicide ganker is nearly on top of the target, I doubt this will be a problem. Besides they'll need to be close enough for the other weapon systems (blaster, pulse laser, autocannon) to add a little dps.
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Tasko Pal
THE IRIS
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Elliot
Why, exactly, would SBs go up in price?
Generally for an item to go up in price it must be able to contribute. Stealth bombers are worthless.
All the people who flew them previously (and complained about the wasted missile skill) have just been asked by CCP to drop another 1.5m into missile skills that won't do anything.
Maybe you ought to look at patch notes. SBs will be a great addition to a frigate roam gang now with far better dps against bc or larger targets. And in fleet ops, far cheaper bombs means we'll see bombs and SBs used much more often in anti-blob warfare.
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Andrea Erlang
Caldari
Erlang Biolabs
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Posted - 2009.04.16 14:32:00 -
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You should see the rooks. 
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Finnbar OReilly
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Andrea Erlang
You should see the rooks.
Yeah. And I'm not even really sure the falcon nerf was a nerf.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Marlenus on 16/04/2009 16:40:54
In general, high-meta weapons go for several million ISK, declining as they get bigger because bigger ships die less often and can easier afford the fitting penalties for T2 weps. The arby torp launchers have been cheap because nobody wanted them for battleships and they never got used or exploded.
Now they fit on a paper-thin frig hull. No matter what you think of the SB changes, a ton more of these mods will be exploding now, and on the SB hulls, fitting benefits that don't matter on battlewagons will matter.
So, I expect a strong and permanent market upshift in the price of named torp launchers. Not maybe has high as the current speculative bubble, but if we ever again see arby torp launchers under a million ISK each, I'll be stunned.
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