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FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 16:56:00 - [1] Could care less to be honest. I buy all my movies, software and music so this affects me in no way. Pirate Bay is still going to have the non-copyrighted material that I do use it for so again, this affects me in no way shape or form. I do love to hear people who download copyrighted media whine though. It is very satisfying. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 17:29:00 - [2] Originally by: Nigel Sheldon Originally by: FOl2TY8 Could care less to be honest. I buy all my movies, software and music so this affects me in no way. Pirate Bay is still going to have the non-copyrighted material that I do use it for so again, this affects me in no way shape or form. I do love to hear people who download copyrighted media whine though. It is very satisfying. again someone misses the point...70% of pirate bay is proven to be non-coptyrighted links eg legal... we have many people on the eve forums themselves demanding that ccp release it's patchs/expansions via torrents, with this judgement this won't be possible.... It's people who don't know what they are talking about that assume that it's all copyrighted material... Read my post a second time because I addressed the fact that TPB also has non-copyrighted material. I even put it in bold for you. TPB is not going to be shut down because of this so that material will still be available and is also available from several other sources. Also you must have misread the information because TPB is not going to be shut down so really all you are fighting for is the ability to steal copyrighted material. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 17:32:00 - [3] Also I am curious about one thing. I'm not doubting that 70% of the material on TPB is non-copyrighted material but I wonder what are the most popular torrents on TPB? If you go to it and look at the top 100 for any of the sections, movies, tv, software, games etc. everything in those lists are copyrighted. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 18:13:00 - [4] Originally by: EliteSlave If your home-run site that offers access to Illegal items, then yes it is Illegal as they did not have permission from the holders of the copyrights / patents. But if you had a home-run site that provided access to open-source, non copyright / patented items then no it would not be illegal. This is it in a nutshell. I'm sorry that you guys can't feel like 1337 hackers anymore by downloading free stuff but it is the law. Just because it's easy to do and feels harmless doesn't make it any less criminal. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 18:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Abrazzar And you should be put into jail for linking this on a public forum. Just following your logic. This is completely wrong. How is those screenshots copyrighted or infringing a copyright? You are just grasping at straws because any argument that you may have about this issue leads to the conclusion that you just want to download copyrighted material for free. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 18:37:00 - [6] Originally by: lofty29 Linking those screenshots is exactly the same 'offense' as thepiratebay commited. Someone might look at that screenshot, and go 'ooh i wonder where i could find that website' and as such they are proliferating copyright infringement. It's a massive loophole and it's a shame that big business is still more powerful than the law. Wow you guys are really reaching here. By showing the screenshots he is not providing a method of downloading illegal material. Maybe you should press charges against your local electric utility? After all they supplied the electricity that powers the computer that enables you to see the screenshot of a website that is enabling people to download illegally. Of course you can continue to argue this point or you can offer arguments about why you think TPB is not participating in illegal activity. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 20:04:00 - [7] Originally by: rValdez5987 Corporations own the justice system, the government, everything. They will do as they please, and you see how they act when you try to stop them. This world needs massive reform away from being cash-centric. Don't tinfoil hats get a little itchy? You act like it's some crazy new phenomena that corporations have their fingers in a whole bunch of political pies. It's been this way since commerce was invented. Either get over it, join the corporations or put yourself in a position of power to change the way it is. These kind of statements are not very creative and they add nothing to whatever argument you are applying them to. Again I ask, can any of you pirate bay proponents come up with an argument for downloading software illegally? ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 21:38:00 - [8] First of all that TED presentation has nothing to do with pirating copyrighted material. Clanger I think your ideas about what the entertainment industry should do to fix pirating are exactly correct. Fixing the problem instead of desperately trying to keep the status quo are what businesses should concentrate on. The outcome of this trial will have zero affect on piracy regardless of the verdict. However what TPB is doing is illegal in my opinion because they are not just a general search engine. They are a search engine for torrents exclusively and they did very little self policing if any at all. I'm sure that the trial was a mess because the entertainment industries are out of touch with the majority of society and TPB owners are "cavalier" in their approach to the law. Doesn't change the fact that what they are doing is in fact illegal which has been proved in a court of law. If you don't like that then you always have the appeal to look forward to. Just because OJ Simpson probably killed Nicole Brown doesn't change the fact that he is innocent of murder. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 21:40:00 - [9] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Any piece of software, any mp3 and any video, all it is is one long binary number. It's legally impossible to copyright a number. Therefore, it is legally impossible to copyright digital content. I like this argument. It makes a mockery of the whole concept of copyright, and is logically water-tight. All you are is a bunch of carbon organized in a certain way. Therefore I get to stab you in the face because carbon has no rights. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.17 23:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Asuka Smith Edited by: Asuka Smith on 17/04/2009 23:27:44 Edited by: Asuka Smith on 17/04/2009 23:25:18 Those four are guilty as hell and everyone knows it, whether you want to try and justify it or not is up to you as an individual. That said I wish they had gotten off because even if the law is on the side of the corporations the law is stupid. I fileshare all the time, ** THE MAN! it might be illegal but in my country so are drugs I do all sorts of illegal because I am in it for me, not some faceless suit. EDIT: Lol at all you legal eagles trying to justify their filesharing, seriously. The NAME OF THE SITE is "PIRATE BAY", they obviously knew what they were doing was illegal and they obviously knew the site existed solely to provide copyrighted material illegally. There is no way you can say "oh they only tracked the files blah blah blah". They knew the score and they knew the risks. It finally caught up to them. EDIT2: They even flaunted their illegal activities in the legal threats section of the site where they posted the requests to remove copyrighted material and flipped the companies the bird and let the files remain. There is no way they could win in court because they are obviously criminals. You guys should argue that "the law is stupid" or "** the man who cares if it is illegal", not "these guys are innocent and they have no dirt on their hands whatsoever the pirate bay existed to distribute my garage bands demo tape etc etc it is just a coincidence that it is the most popular site for illegal filesharing on the internet". Finally someone is actually being honest. I could care less if people download illegally because it doesn't affect me. I for one would love to see how they feel about breaking the law after a year in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Sure you can do anything you want wherever you want but if you get caught you have to pay the consequences. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.18 01:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Xen Gin OK, how do you know that those links are in fact links to copyrighted material? Did you download to check? You didn't, so no proof and your proof is inadmissible, oh but you did now, go directly to jail thief, also we can't take the word of a thief so your witness statement is inadmissible. What are you to do? Retract your argument and lies? Yeah, you better. This is such an awful argument that I have to call you a troll. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.20 16:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Doctor Penguin If TPB are guilty of copyright infringement for not moderating torrents on their website, a burgled homeowner is guilty of burglary. The logic does not make sense. Are you some kind of crappy analogy savant or something? What are the torrents in your analogy? The stuff the burglar steals? How the hell are torrents hosted by a website for other people to download similar to this? It would have to be the homeowner buys stuff just so burglars can break in a steal it. I love hearing all the arguments that because the plaintiffs are huge corporations that makes them evil and soul sucking. Every single one of you relies on huge corporations and you can suck on the teat and spite the cow all you want, still makes you guys hypocritical turds. You either can't afford the music, are too lazy to buy the music or you are just selfish. There is no other reason to download music illegally. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.20 17:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Blane Xero How about buying a disk just to be dissapointed because you bought it and the new songs were abysmal? Did you know artists are being pushed to produce quantity over quality just so the publishers can line their pockets even more?. This is the height of arrogance. You think that just because YOU don't like popular music that gives YOU the right to make stupid blanket statements. Your personal taste has nothing to do with anything, ever. I mean how DARE the record companies produce stuff that I don't like. HOW DARE THEY!!!!!! You are an idiot and if you can't see why Miley Cyrus makes more money then your favorite loser band then you deserve to hurf durf yourself to death about this issue. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.20 18:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Blane Xero Did i strike a nerve? Did i really? You call me arrogant then you make groundless accusations to the type of music i listen to. :Irony: I don't care what kind of music you listen to, it is irrelevant. You keep bringing up your personal taste in music as a valid argument. It is not, taste is irrelevant. Quote: But if you see absolutely nothing wrong with artists being pushed into puttin out what is essentially the same album but with three different songs, thats fine. Artists are pushed into nothing, they have plenty of choices. The awesome thing about technology is that it frees artists from major distributors. If they want to make industry dough they have to be involved in it somehow. Just the way it is sorry to break your bohemian bubble. Quote: When it gets to the point bands are just re-releasing the same album over and over under a different name, you'll still hold strong that just because a vocal population disagree's with this while you think its fine, then they are just arrogant. If people can't understand that record companies are going to promote artists that will make them lots of money then that is their problem. The people (like you) that *** and moan about artists being unheard are wasting their breath. You show me a bunch of artists that are fighting the "good fight" for freedom of expression and I will show you a bunch of people I have never heard of. Quote: I miss the days when an Album had me listening to it for days on end. When swapping between albums didnt consist of me skipping every other track just because i heard it on the other disk. Sorry that you are so picky that you can't find any new albums that you think are worth listening to. Just this Saturday I bought more than 20 new cds that I can listen to all the way through. It doesn't really matter though because the fact that you can't enjoy any new music is not the record companies' fault. Quote:** Buying an album to have it contain more than 50% of the same songs of an album released over a year ago, a "couple" of new songs, a couple of old songs but "live" versions thereof, and then a couple of old songs, but accustic (These ones aren't so bad). But the live ones where you can hardly f'cking hear the music over the fans screaming like giddy kids at a theme park, what the hell possesses record labels to push this? I try to stay away from making up statistics when I try to prove a point but that's just me. I really don't understand what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that you don't understand why companies release "Best of", live and compilation albums? Does it bother you that much? Do you get all shaky and red faced every time you wander into the soundtrack aisle? Who the hell cares what record companies release? If you don't like it don't buy it! Course me telling you this is as effective as me telling a Baptist to just not listen to Howard Stern. People like you can't stand the idea that something exists in this world that you don't agree with. That's cool because this world will always need assholes. I will continue to purchase the music that I like and I will continue to enjoy it. Sorry you cannot do the same. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.20 20:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Blane Xero words We are talking about 2 different things. I have never once said that I am against downloading media illegally. I have no vested interest in it. I mocked people in this thread who are defending it because they can't just come to grips with the fact that it is a crime and that's that. Your made up list is a complete 180 from what I believe so you are not getting my point. So to organize this debate here is my point: download all the free crap you want just don't cry injustice when people get caught breaking the law. If I got caught drinking and driving I wouldn't blame big business because I am smart enough to know that I chose to break the law. If a guy gets busted selling weed I don't say "damn the man, he's getting a bum rap!" because he chose to break the law. Again I'm not trying to say I'm better than anyone because I don't download illegally, I just choose not to break the law. How can you defend TPB by saying what they did isn't illegal? It was proven in a court of law that it was. Sorry if you don't agree with that, it may not even be socially correct but that's the way it is. Either forever or until it changes. Just be glad that these guys get a chance to appeal, also they might have the power to influence copyright laws. Either way at this point in history they have broken the law and for now they can't prove otherwise. I have no sympathy for them and I don't see them as some kind of crazy crusaders for artists rights. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve
FOl2TY8 Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.04.20 22:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Onus Mian Why is it such a difficult concept to grasp? Person A owns the product. Person B buy puchases only the right to use the product and not copy or distribute it. Person B then makes copies and distributes it despite the agreement. Person A gets rightfully **ed off and takes person B to court for breaking the orginal agreement. Person A wins the court case and sets a precedent for future cases. I can only assume that I have a stronger sense of right and wrong since so many seem to be unable to accept that this constitutes as stealing no matter how you try and dress it up. Relying on ambiguity in international law to back up your case is hardly a solid grounding since many countries simply haven't gotten around to dealing with the problems which the internet has thrown up regarding intellectual property and copyright laws. International laws to protect intellectual ownership are more important than ever when someone can purchase a music cd, rip it to their hardrive and then make it accessible to millions of people through websites like TPB in matter of minutes. I find it hard to understand how people can defend such actions as being something other than stealing and those that try and justify it on moral grounds are just grasping at straws. I suggest that you listen to 'Hooker with a ***' by Tool because that song sums it nicely. All you know about me is what I've sold you, dumb fck I sold out long before you ever heard my name Sold my soul to make a record, dip$hit then you bought one. It is perfect isn't it? ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve

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