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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:22:00 -
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Iamien wrote:
Pretty easy to just say that all players are on one of two servers/shards.
Except that is not true. Players generally have access to one shard. Depending on whether they are Chinese or not, its a different shard. The game is still built around the concept of one universe, the fact a parallel one had to be built specifically for an isolated market with special requirements is moot.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
101
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:35:00 -
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what now? why did the chinese server fail?
I'm afraid I don't see any concerted efforts to discriminate by ccp.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:39:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:what now? why did the chinese server fail?
I'm afraid I don't see any concerted efforts to discriminate by ccp.
Bankruptcy last I heard.
Eastern MMOs tend to be very different. It is nigh impossible for a western publisher to successfully launch in the east, and vice versa. The things westerners hate (grinding, aesthetics over functionality, microtransactions, etc) are what is expected in SE Asia.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Whitehound
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:39:00 -
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When Chinese players get banned for problems other Chinese players have created then it is still a Chinese problem. It is collateral damage in return for the collateral damage done by the botters. If you cannot play EVE from China by other means then you just cannot play it. We only do not want the Chinese botters here and we are sorry to hear that you cannot play. However, we do not want the botters to come back. Ask the Chinese government to allow for a reliable identification of IP numbers and you will be able to play again. If you are using a service, which makes such identification impossible then this is your problem.
TL;DR: You are complaining at the wrong end.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
egg08
Light of the moon
Polaris Mercenary Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:44:00 -
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I lost quite a lot of friends in my corp too, all of them are innocent. Dont know what on earth is CCP thinking, probabilly they just want to shrink the size of the population within this game, haha. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:54:00 -
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Dude, if they banned people for giving 50m isk, 75% of Eve would be banned
Tianran Liu wrote:
Besides VPN, deadspace loot is one other thing that often gets people banned. I've heard about people got banned for picking up the loot in a trail account. I've seen paid account got banned because a rich tengu friend invited him into a 4/10 complex , and share with him half the loot money. Today one player reported that his paid main got banned as his trail alt warp into a deadspace for the first time. This is just getting ridiculous. Where would you go if suddenly you need to start anew, alone, but with all the frigate class ship experience your current game-play gave you, and a ton of free time? Minning in an industrial for less than 1M per hour?
Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:55:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:
Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
438
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Posted - 2012.05.05 11:58:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:
Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude.
....wait what?
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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
60
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:06:00 -
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The problem isnt CCP, the problem is your government not letting you access the rest of the world. To solve your problem change your government to one that will let you access the rest of the world and you will be able to play with the rest of the screwed up world. |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:09:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:
Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude. ....wait what?
Edit: Dude.
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:12:00 -
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Degren wrote:Grimpak wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:
Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude. ....wait what? Dude.
Dude!
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:13:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Degren wrote:Grimpak wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:
Dude, no one takes a new player flying a burst and gives them half of their deadpsace loot drop. Why would anyone do this? Deadspace loot is involved in the RMT trade. I won't go into it but deaspace loot is recycled by RMT operations and is easily traced.
Dude, your friends are RMTer's, gave you an extremely bad lie about what they did, and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
Dude, get a clue.
Duuuuude. ....wait what? Dude. Dude!
Dude?
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Nate Hill
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:14:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Iamien wrote:Wait so all these video and statements from CCP about all players being in the same universe was a lie?
:shocked:
How many other localized and segregated bastards does eve have? China has very strict laws and regulations regarding entertainment, such as video games. It is essentially impossible to release a game in china without heavy modifications. For example, World of Warcraft had to remove all skeletons and replace them with tombstones, and all zombies had to be redesigned. Cultural quirks enacted into law. It's a large, but isolated, market.
It's a large, but isolated, market with millions of pirated games. |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
241
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:17:00 -
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Nate Hill wrote:It's a large, but isolated, market with millions of pirated games.
The US/Euro market isn't that isolated.
Spoilers: I'm saying we have a **** ton of pirated games.
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Omen Alice
Ctril Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:22:00 -
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RMT's should have some details of the deal can query.
Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN?
You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do?
Recently, because of IP issues of BAN. |
gfldex
497
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:30:00 -
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Omen Alice wrote:RMT's should have some details of the deal can query. Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN? You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do? Recently, because of IP issues of BAN.
What language is that?
When someone burns down your sandcasle, bring sausages. |
Iamien
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:36:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Omen Alice wrote:RMT's should have some details of the deal can query. Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN? You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do? Recently, because of IP issues of BAN. What language is that?
I'm guessing babelfish Chinese to English. |
Nate Hill
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:38:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Omen Alice wrote:RMT's should have some details of the deal can query. Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN? You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do? Recently, because of IP issues of BAN. What language is that?
A Google translation. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:44:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Xpaulusx wrote: All i can say is "Thank God for the Great Chinese Firewall" We have enough problems with RMTers as is, we dont need 20 thousand chinese farmboys on top of it. Thank you CCP Good call.  Oh look, an idiot spewing stereotypes. Kogh Ayon wrote:The most possible situation could be the owner of the Chinese Server bribed CCP and/or the GMs to ban IPs from china when it is possible. That's all business you know. Do you know how VPNs work? Basically, they convince the server you are connecting to that you are elsewhere by replacing your real IP with someone else's. Every time you use one, its a new IP. If you happen to land on an IP that CCP has banned through awful luck, you get flagged as an account being accessed by a known hacker / offender, and will get added to the ban list as a result.
You have no idea what a VPN is please don't mislead people into false information about something you could at least bother searching on the web to learn a bit more about it.
VPN's are virtual private networks, that create networks inside networks and encapsulate traffic for a multitude of reasons but mostly for added security or circumvent restrictions the network you are using imposes.
If several people do use the same VPN end point, yes, if that endpoint connects to EvE server all people using it will show up as the same IP, it's a risk you are willing to take by using such service.
And btw, most of the VPN used by chinese have the sole purpose of bypassing censorship not to play games (altough some games might be censored and they used them to play it anyway)
if you require a little more information about VPN's please refer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vpn but I'm sure google has more in depth articles about it.
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
187
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:46:00 -
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egg08 wrote:I lost quite a lot of friends in my corp too, all of them are innocent. Dont know what on earth is CCP thinking, probabilly they just want to shrink the size of the population within this game, haha.
You assume they are innocent, the only proof you have is their word for it. They might be botters/rmt'ers with other chars you don't even know.
Besides, everyone lies :) |
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Erad Stomper
The Fallen Company
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:47:00 -
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If you can't play without a VPN in China it's not CCP fault it's the chinese government fault and everything your government do is accepted by the chinese people so if you want more freedom on the internet you should ask your government not CCP.
If you want more freedom go in the street and ask your government for it.
If you feel everything is OK in China then shut up and play a boring chinese game. |
Executus Primus
Black Phoenix Legion
The Fourth District
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:59:00 -
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If CCP uses IP addresses for identification, that is borderline stupid. Most services in Europe at least use dynamic IP addresses for allocation with DSL lines. In Germany for instance it is the default to get a different IP with every PPPoE connect since it is basically PPP. An IP address is not suitable to identify a person or even a computer system.
Many people here talking about using an IP for identification are probably from the US, which often uses weird cable connections with static IPs. Just to remind you that is NOT a default behaviour in pretty much the rest of the world and for good reasons too. NAT is pretty common in places like asia which is restricted on IPv4 (since they were last to join the internet club).
Personally i can't believe CCP will ever decide to ban a person just based on an IP address, because that would be foolish. It might be a small factor in several other indications however.
I played a few months on serenity with a few fellows of failheap. Judging from what i saw there, it is not hard to believe that some people who migrated here might clash with some different rules and mindets. |
Whitehound
239
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:10:00 -
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Executus Primus wrote:If CCP uses IP addresses for identification, that is borderline stupid. Most services in Europe at least use dynamic IP addresses for allocation with DSL lines. In Germany for instance ...
Dynamic is not the same as random. CCP will not only ban single IP addresses, but they are banning entire subnets. This is not stupid. It is common practise, you only did not know it yet.
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Degren
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:14:00 -
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Erad Stomper wrote:If you can't play without a VPN in China it's not CCP fault it's the chinese government fault and everything your government do is accepted by the chinese people so if you want more freedom on the internet you should ask your government not CCP.
If you want more freedom go in the street and ask your government for it.
If you feel everything is OK in China then shut up and play a boring chinese game.
On the one hand I'm like well, yeah.
On the other hand I'm like THEY HAVE THE WORLDS LARGEST STANDING ARMY AND AN OVERWHELMING DESIRE TO CRUSH INSUBORDINATION, REAL OR PERCEIVED, YOU ARE GOING TO GET THEM KILLED
And then on the third, secret hand I'm like this complaint is actually in the realm of CCP's control...except they're taking appropriate measures.
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Daniel Hita
Daniel Hita Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:25:00 -
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the Great Chinese Firewall
We Chinese can't access youtube, facebook even www.google.com .  all these URL are banned .
We are in a cage |
Aggressive Nutmeg
229
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:31:00 -
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Omen Alice wrote:RMT's should have some details of the deal can query. Chinese network or ADSL IP is change it because your IP once and hackers all your paying customers should be of BAN? You query the time of the players online is not the same hackers do? Recently, because of IP issues of BAN.
Can you just imagine 20,000,000 Chinese players crapping up the forum like this?
Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
Erad Stomper
The Fallen Company
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:38:00 -
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Daniel Hita wrote:the Great Chinese FirewallWe Chinese can't access youtube, facebook even www.google.com . all these URL are banned . We are in a cage
Who is the fool, the one who live in the cage or the one who built the cage for his commrades.
You still like the chinese style fake communism? |
Pedro Snachez
Red Horse Heavy Industries
17
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:39:00 -
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Erad Stomper wrote:If you can't play without a VPN in China it's not CCP fault it's the chinese government fault and everything your government do is accepted by the chinese people so if you want more freedom on the internet you should ask your government not CCP.
If you want more freedom go in the street and ask your government for it.
If you feel everything is OK in China then shut up and play a boring chinese game.
This.
China has a known problem with gold farming, even using prisoners to do so. It's too bad that some innocent players trying to circumvent absurd Chinese censorship got banned, but it's not CCP being racist or discriminatory. Just look at the insane BS Google had to deal with to be in China, and try to understand how companies have to compromise ideal service to have any service at all. Gather proof and elevate the petition if possible, but you're just going to get banned again through bad luck eventually.
If you really want your Chinese friends to play Eve freely, tell them to do something about their autocratic government first. |
Theprimaryisthesecondary istheprimary
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:06:00 -
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You dont get banned unless you pay for it. Good method for CCP to make more money, their GM plays God Roles in game.
Yes, EVE is a good game, but it is going down now since you ruins the ingame economy but focus how to make more realy
money. Who is the largest RMT group, the one who offers you realy money tradable items---Cash Caps P**sy.
Take a look that how many their original eployees have left. I believe at the beginning they were trying to make a spcial art to the
game world, but now it is a big company. Don't you forget that, the only purpose of a company is " Profit". |
AztecEnze
Utopia Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:13:00 -
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people are fooled by their government.
the government which is more powerful can make a more credible lie.
big cage , small cage , you are no more than a wiseacre trapped animal. |
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