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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:23:00 -
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Not long ago , even with all mwd nerfs, the blastherthorn had still a role as an uber dmg dealer in small to medium battles.
Atm with the armougeddons setups the blastherthron seems to be obsolete.
I really am impressed by the poeple who invented the gankageoddon setup ( only for dmg no defence, 7 heatsinsks, pulse lasers) but it made balstherton obsolete.
Who needs a bs who must close under 10 km now? the gankageddons do uber dmg from 4-60 km without problems.You have a chance if you do a 1-1 of balstherthon and gankagedoon, then you might win with balstherthron.In a fleet with 2 of those or 1 and other bs , you have no chance to close even to your enemie.What i say is the dmg balance is seriously unbalanced, the "epic" bs fights last under 15 seconds.And the megatheron looks more and more like a laugh (and no the rails arent good enough and it wasnt what for the megathron was constructed)
Imho at least the dmg modifiers stacking penaltie should be made much bigger , so it wouldnt pay off to fit 7 heatsinks.
Best reduce the dmg output of everythign by 25 %, maybe then you would have chance to use your brain in bs fights.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:23:00 -
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Not long ago , even with all mwd nerfs, the blastherthorn had still a role as an uber dmg dealer in small to medium battles.
Atm with the armougeddons setups the blastherthron seems to be obsolete.
I really am impressed by the poeple who invented the gankageoddon setup ( only for dmg no defence, 7 heatsinsks, pulse lasers) but it made balstherton obsolete.
Who needs a bs who must close under 10 km now? the gankageddons do uber dmg from 4-60 km without problems.You have a chance if you do a 1-1 of balstherthon and gankagedoon, then you might win with balstherthron.In a fleet with 2 of those or 1 and other bs , you have no chance to close even to your enemie.What i say is the dmg balance is seriously unbalanced, the "epic" bs fights last under 15 seconds.And the megatheron looks more and more like a laugh (and no the rails arent good enough and it wasnt what for the megathron was constructed)
Imho at least the dmg modifiers stacking penaltie should be made much bigger , so it wouldnt pay off to fit 7 heatsinks.
Best reduce the dmg output of everythign by 25 %, maybe then you would have chance to use your brain in bs fights.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:29:00 -
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Your point will always be argued by a.) the fact is has no defence and b.) you could heavily tank and use med/small weapons.
Stackings heavily nerfed anyway. Plus geddons are now primary targets like scorps
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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SwitchBl4d3
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:29:00 -
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Your point will always be argued by a.) the fact is has no defence and b.) you could heavily tank and use med/small weapons.
Stackings heavily nerfed anyway. Plus geddons are now primary targets like scorps
"Teh lord of Nonni"
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:35:00 -
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Well, megapulse on an armageddon will do more DPS than a neutron blaster on a megathron, and are much easier to fit. And this is without 7 or 8 heatsinks. The problem with the lasers is that they were designed to be good without ship bonuses, but the geddon has one, so they're uber.
Same with projectiles they were made to be ok with 2 damage mods, IE the tempest, but they suck on say a typhoon.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:35:00 -
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Well, megapulse on an armageddon will do more DPS than a neutron blaster on a megathron, and are much easier to fit. And this is without 7 or 8 heatsinks. The problem with the lasers is that they were designed to be good without ship bonuses, but the geddon has one, so they're uber.
Same with projectiles they were made to be ok with 2 damage mods, IE the tempest, but they suck on say a typhoon.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:42:00 -
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 Originally by: SwitchBl4d3
Your point will always be argued by a.) the fact is has no defence and b.) you could heavily tank and use med/small weapons.
Stackings heavily nerfed anyway. Plus geddons are now primary targets like scorps
True it hasnt defence but imho it shouldnt be like this overall.The stackings of dmg mods should be nerfed much more so such extreme setups wouldnt pay off so much .All stacking of defence mods is much more harsh , it just doesnt pay off to use more then 1 at best 2.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: SwitchBl4d3
Your point will always be argued by a.) the fact is has no defence and b.) you could heavily tank and use med/small weapons.
Stackings heavily nerfed anyway. Plus geddons are now primary targets like scorps
True it hasnt defence but imho it shouldnt be like this overall.The stackings of dmg mods should be nerfed much more so such extreme setups wouldnt pay off so much .All stacking of defence mods is much more harsh , it just doesnt pay off to use more then 1 at best 2.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Black Lotus
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Black Lotus on 28/08/2004 10:54:36
Earthan, i agree, when a tier 1bs can do more dmg then its tier2 counterpart, something is a miss.
Now i understand the arguement of no defnse, etc, etc. but u really dont need it 1vs1 with these arma's.
I think a more suitable bonus would be +5%pg\lvl or +5-10% armor\lvl. That would even it out with its tier 2 counterpart, and also allow it to have some defenses. (still nuthing compared to apoc due to cap, as far as defence is concerned)
P.S i fly an apoc(ammar bs lvl 5\large energy lvl 5), But kinda funny when im rdy to buy an amra and use that for pvp over an apoc...
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Black Lotus
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Black Lotus on 28/08/2004 10:54:36
Earthan, i agree, when a tier 1bs can do more dmg then its tier2 counterpart, something is a miss.
Now i understand the arguement of no defnse, etc, etc. but u really dont need it 1vs1 with these arma's.
I think a more suitable bonus would be +5%pg\lvl or +5-10% armor\lvl. That would even it out with its tier 2 counterpart, and also allow it to have some defenses. (still nuthing compared to apoc due to cap, as far as defence is concerned)
P.S i fly an apoc(ammar bs lvl 5\large energy lvl 5), But kinda funny when im rdy to buy an amra and use that for pvp over an apoc...
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:52:00 -
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It aint the damage of the geddon that does it,it's the ROF - Gedon has ship bonus from the ROF and the damage mods also help even more with the ROF.
So you get nice damage but at a very fast rate - doesnt work as well on apoc due to not having the ROF bonus.
w00t!
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:52:00 -
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It aint the damage of the geddon that does it,it's the ROF - Gedon has ship bonus from the ROF and the damage mods also help even more with the ROF.
So you get nice damage but at a very fast rate - doesnt work as well on apoc due to not having the ROF bonus.
w00t!
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:53:00 -
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It sacrifices all defense for supreme offense. Doesn't need to get hit with the nerfstick 
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:53:00 -
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It sacrifices all defense for supreme offense. Doesn't need to get hit with the nerfstick
Join the IC! |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:58:00 -
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Orestes have you been in a fleet battle with gankageoddouns?
Imho its just wrong for the battle fun ,everything lasts very short.
Anyway the devs will propably wake up when we have only armougeddons and scorps in space.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 10:58:00 -
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Orestes have you been in a fleet battle with gankageoddouns?
Imho its just wrong for the battle fun ,everything lasts very short.
Anyway the devs will propably wake up when we have only armougeddons and scorps in space.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:00:00 -
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They don't last very long in focussed fire, Earthan. simple remedy is also a few dampeners (works great for everything, though).
Thing is, these things pack a good punch, but they're easily killed once their firepower is neutralised.
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Orestes
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:00:00 -
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They don't last very long in focussed fire, Earthan. simple remedy is also a few dampeners (works great for everything, though).
Thing is, these things pack a good punch, but they're easily killed once their firepower is neutralised.
Join the IC! |
zincol
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: zincol on 28/08/2004 11:02:51
Gedons have no defence - so a frig or 2 can take it down,thats how weak it is.
Jamm it and it's stuffed,You CAN out tank a gedon buy using 2x em 2x thermal and 2x sheild booster - that gives you enuff time to kill it b4 ure cap is gone.
w00t!
(typoes fixed)
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zincol
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: zincol on 28/08/2004 11:02:51
Gedons have no defence - so a frig or 2 can take it down,thats how weak it is.
Jamm it and it's stuffed,You CAN out tank a gedon buy using 2x em 2x thermal and 2x sheild booster - that gives you enuff time to kill it b4 ure cap is gone.
w00t!
(typoes fixed)
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DAViiD
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:05:00 -
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'lo!
Dunno why ppl instantly start to cry about such things. Accept it and move on. No nerfing for that. And NO, i don't fly an armageddon.
D.
Lokan > This is more boring as listening to golf on radio! |
DAViiD
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:05:00 -
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'lo!
Dunno why ppl instantly start to cry about such things. Accept it and move on. No nerfing for that. And NO, i don't fly an armageddon.
D.
Lokan > This is more boring as listening to golf on radio! |
hired goon
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:15:00 -
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I don't understand why an Armageddon would be better than an Apocalypse at this. An Apocalypse has more turret slots.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:15:00 -
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I don't understand why an Armageddon would be better than an Apocalypse at this. An Apocalypse has more turret slots.
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Tbone
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:15:00 -
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As much as i do agree with earthan, everything goes in cycles. So we will just have to wait for all the *****ing and moaning about the arma to get it nerfed or something else to get better.
Best thing to do is just adapt and play the game the way it is at the time, no worries about anything just have fun.
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Tbone
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:15:00 -
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As much as i do agree with earthan, everything goes in cycles. So we will just have to wait for all the *****ing and moaning about the arma to get it nerfed or something else to get better.
Best thing to do is just adapt and play the game the way it is at the time, no worries about anything just have fun.
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Unholy Killboard
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:20:00 -
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Sure i will try to play with shield transfers , and if all fails will be back to scorp for fleet pvp.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:20:00 -
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Sure i will try to play with shield transfers , and if all fails will be back to scorp for fleet pvp.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
fairimear
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:21:00 -
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The ship is yes super for pure dmg.
But its also defenceless in a tactical fight.
To a scorpion its a bug on the screen.
U can jam it and still with ur 4 torp launchers kill it due to its lack of any defence.
It also can be killed extreamly easy by a apoc in a npc sansha hunting setup with em and thermal armour hardeners and 2 reps. That applys to mega as it can also armour tank well.
Just cus 1 setup beats urs dont go off in a huff and ask for nerfs. The game is not meant so u win every time.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.08.28 11:21:00 -
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The ship is yes super for pure dmg.
But its also defenceless in a tactical fight.
To a scorpion its a bug on the screen.
U can jam it and still with ur 4 torp launchers kill it due to its lack of any defence.
It also can be killed extreamly easy by a apoc in a npc sansha hunting setup with em and thermal armour hardeners and 2 reps. That applys to mega as it can also armour tank well.
Just cus 1 setup beats urs dont go off in a huff and ask for nerfs. The game is not meant so u win every time.
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