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Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:21:00 -
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Goons have not wanted to give out their numbers, this is a spreadsheet I made, refer to my recent thread, do not trust me. However if you find the number to be reasonable thats another matter.
Here it is File |
Cookiez Yum
Jericho Faction Sins of Jericho
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:21:00 -
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i hate to say, but i've had a quick look and it looks.. ok o.o so far atleast.
I cant find any blatently stupid numbers in there |
papamike
Precipice Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:17:00 -
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soldiers 5 on this one?
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:39:00 -
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This might have worked better before you destroyed your credibility with Nocx. No idea what your stake in it trying to crash zyd and mega are this time (probably to buy it cheap, same as last) but modules ammo and drones alone more than make up for your claimed shortfall, nevermind your gimmicked - far more subtly gimmicked this time, it actually took some effort to spot it, so I'll give you that - ship numbers. |
Aeryn Calbert
House Mekarae
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:12:00 -
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I'd be lying if I didn't say the Zydrine 'flash crash' didn't give me an 'oh s-hit' moment. If the fundamentals haven't changed then it must be a case of stockpiles and profit taking, with a healthy dose of market manipulation thrown in. I can't possible imagine there is an oversupply of Zydrine right now (after the drone regions and meta 0 has been nerfed), in fact I'm betting on it... So far it's been a good bet, I just can't see right now where the story ends.
Holding a rather large (for me) pile of Zyd. I was, I admit, getting the fear and urge to dump what I had That's usually the time to do just the opposite of what you want to do so I picked up a couple of more million at around 1,380 ISK before it spiked back to 1,600.
Don't know what you lads are doing but it's one hell of a ride . |
Ticarus Hellbrandt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:19:00 -
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Another post by the person with fake numbers and no proof. |
Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:35:00 -
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Oh the tears, so lets break it down:
The goon is saying my ship numbers are off, the ship numbers I said to ignore since it was hard to find actual data to fill it all out.
The other guy is complaining about lack of sources, there is a seperate tab dedicated to references. Its all derived from those.
As a matter of fact none of the "lack" data relies in any way on the ships or estimates for consumption, if you read my first post its all explained. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
287
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:42:00 -
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You can't just handwave away the fact that you're missing entire ship classes (frigates, destroyers, cruisers, and mining barges), nor the fact that your battleship numbers are laughable. I mean, pretending all of battleship production averages out to the smallest tier? C'mon.
And that still doesn't even touch the fact that you make no accounting for modules/ammo/etc at all. Some of Diagoras' publically tweeted statistics alone cover huge portions of your mega and zyd deficit, and that with just a few modules. |
Moto Akimoto
Tengu and Cash
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:14:00 -
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Yuki, these are suppose to be numbers comparing before & after "Escalation to Inferno" patch right?
Maybe I'm getting my data wrong or I'm confusing stuff but ...
"Escalation to Inferno" was released on Tuesday, April 24, 2012.
CCP Diagora's Tweets were posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012.
So I don't believe his "Last 7 days" stats could possibly include the drone poo nerf introduced with Escalation. (at best it includes 24-48 hours worth of Escalation data)
Am I missing something? |
Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:35:00 -
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Moto Akimoto wrote:Yuki, these are suppose to be numbers comparing before & after "Escalation to Inferno" patch right?
Maybe I'm getting my data wrong or I'm confusing stuff but ...
"Escalation to Inferno" was released on Tuesday, April 24, 2012.
CCP Diagora's Tweets were posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012.
So I don't believe his "Last 7 days" stats could possibly include the drone poo nerf introduced with Escalation. (at best it includes 24-48 hours worth of Escalation data)
Am I missing something?
Yes, this is correct. However the data he posted then was mining related, not in relation to refining, these were posted on an earlier date. As such it wasnt directly impacted by Inferno other than the change in mineral prices |
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Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:28:00 -
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The selling pressure on Zydrine today has been quite heavy and that sell order for 18,000,000 @ 1499.99 sort of stands out (at least it does right now). Seems to be a nice battle going on... |
Seymour Roids
Valar Morghulis. Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 23:38:00 -
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well personally I have 60m+ units of zydrine, acquired most of it about the start of this year when prices were between 750 & 800 p/unit; so basically I sunk about half of my isk into this venture.
I was tempted to sell when it was 1800 or 1900, but decided to hold off in hopes that it will reach pre-drone region lvls. Whether or not this happens remains to be seen. |
LoreSpade Indigo
Void Storm Black Horse Division
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:57:00 -
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I dont know but we need some more people hauling orders around. But seems that I misplaced my Freighterr somewhere. but if we get more curculation going we can find a better price faster. the bubble has not popped yet. |
Camanae
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:15:00 -
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So any idea if these prices will continue to go down? - Megacyte and Zydrine? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
703
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:27:00 -
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Camanae wrote:So any idea if these prices will continue to go down? - Megacyte and Zydrine?
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Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:06:00 -
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In laymans terms, VV is saying it may bounce and plummit, or is that the wrong way to put it? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
703
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:23:00 -
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Yuki Kasumi wrote:In laymans terms, VV is saying it may bounce and plummit, or is that the wrong way to put it?
Well what I found out when I took that screen shot (some days ago) is that Mega had hit a top and inverted downwards. When I'll have time to log in I'll check where price has gone since then but it could hit the stated target of around 2500 before taking a decision to keep diving down or bounce back up. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:22:00 -
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There are pretty exact ship number figures for 2011... only missing recon numbers... |
Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:25:00 -
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Ive found some of the ship numbers (obviously), feel free to link if you have more :) |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:29:00 -
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John TurbefieldGÇÅ@CCP_Diagoras |
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:29:00 -
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T2 hulls hardly matter, since the only mineral component in them is the requisite T1 hull. Few of them add any other minerals to the build (aside from morphite) and the ones that do are ultimately negligible simply because of the small volume of T2. 20 (to pull a number out of thin air) Lachesis per day using 24 megacyte each is frankly a rounding error for this kind of calculation.
I'd be more concerned about your missing hull classes and how bad your estimate for what kind of battleships were built is. |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:57:00 -
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Per request; Maelstroms built Dec 2011: 7,093, Jan 2012: 7,478.
62.99 battleships built per hour on average in 2011; of which 2.39 were T2.
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lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
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Posted - 2012.05.07 07:53:00 -
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Finally the Mittani himself revealed that goons are actively involved in mineral market speculations: "Goonswarm sank almost a trillion isk into minerals before the Escalation patch" and "Instead of driving up mineral prices, we drove trade itself to a halt, a 40% reduction in overall volume over the previous weekend, inspiring panic-sales of minerals from desperate traders (which we bought up)".
As CCP already said, the bubble is nothing more than speculation. Even Hulkageddon is not able to stop the drop of mineral prices because at present it has nothing to do with real consumption and production of minerals. However, Hulkageddon works, you can see that in the meantime isotope prices are rising during Hulkageddon. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
706
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:21:00 -
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lafforet wrote:Finally the Mittani himself revealed that goons are actively involved in mineral market speculations: "Goonswarm sank almost a trillion isk into minerals before the Escalation patch" and "Instead of driving up mineral prices, we drove trade itself to a halt, a 40% reduction in overall volume over the previous weekend, inspiring panic-sales of minerals from desperate traders (which we bought up)".
As CCP already said, the bubble is nothing more than speculation. Even Hulkageddon is not able to stop the drop of mineral prices because at present it has nothing to do with real consumption and production of minerals. However, Hulkageddon works, you can see that in the meantime isotope prices are rising during Hulkageddon.
It's not just bubble, it's market making. The bubble is what they sell to clueless traders who can't read a price and they all eat the bait. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1188
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:02:00 -
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Don't act like monkeys looking for instant peanuts
Minerals WILL go up anyway, at slower rate than immediate post inferno due to speculation, but minerals price will go up unless CCP introduces those by some mean (witch I don't believe) or someone with excellent abilities with programming can make pop minerals out of nowhere at each time he logs in.
No, if you take away the cheating factor from CCP (cheaters!!) or players (saints), with only reprocessed mods and mined minerals at some point (soon) the demand will become interesting. |
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:13:00 -
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(Temporary) bubble or not. Consumption should remain fairly stable as manufacturers just adjust their prices according to the current prices.
After HG and say a month for the situation to stabilize we should have more info about supply and demand.
Combined with the summer drought and CCP's marketing targetting PVP oriented players CCP wil have no choice to interfere at some point because, well, you can't spawn miners from thin air. |
Kris Longknife
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:36:00 -
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clixor wrote:(Temporary) bubble or not. Consumption should remain fairly stable as manufacturers just adjust their prices according to the current prices.
After HG and say a month for the situation to stabilize we should have more info about supply and demand.
Combined with the summer drought and CCP's marketing targetting PVP oriented players CCP wil have no choice to interfere at some point because, well, you can't spawn miners from thin air.
No but you can spawn more hauler spawns.
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Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:24:00 -
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Wasn't the bubble an overshoot of where the new normal will be as a result of the drone changes?
I think prices overshot hard because of the demand leading up to Burn Jita, and Incursions hadn't been nerfed yet elevating money supply. If HGV is having an impact, it is getting negated by null miners producing more. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:03:00 -
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No need to spawn miners or let bots operate with a blind eye. Rising mineral prices attracts miners.
The fact that mining is so boring is a barrier to entry of sorts. As long as that barrier exists, real miners will prosper. CCP will ban the bots, and gankers will punish the afk miners. The only ones left are the non-afk miners who are savy enough to dodge the gankers.
As mineral prices rise, the profession of mining will become more attractive to more players, until prices stabilize.
I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:17:00 -
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For the last 1-2 weeks there seems to be rather strong downward pressure on mineral prices. Even trit is has slid below 6. Either aggregate demand is down or people are profit taking and dumping some of their stockpiles on the market. Possibly even a little panic is setting in too...
Supply has to have been reduced somewhat since quite a few minerals came from drone regions and meta 0 reprocessing (assuming actual mining activities in 0.0, low and high sec have remained relatively constant). |
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Yroc Jannseen
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:26:00 -
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Kris Longknife wrote:clixor wrote:(Temporary) bubble or not. Consumption should remain fairly stable as manufacturers just adjust their prices according to the current prices.
After HG and say a month for the situation to stabilize we should have more info about supply and demand.
Combined with the summer drought and CCP's marketing targetting PVP oriented players CCP wil have no choice to interfere at some point because, well, you can't spawn miners from thin air. No but you can spawn more hauler spawns. May be some truth to this. I've gotten three hauler spawns in two days. Two of them back to back in the same belt. 50m trit and about 5m mixed Mex pye and iso. Lot better than using strips to mine. |
Kris Longknife
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:57:00 -
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Yroc Jannseen wrote:Kris Longknife wrote:[quote=clixor](
No but you can spawn more hauler spawns.
May be some truth to this. I've gotten three hauler spawns in two days. Two of them back to back in the same belt. 50m trit and about 5m mixed Mex pye and iso. Lot better than using strips to mine.
yeah I know, I took a year break from EVE and only just came back. I don't remember hauler spawns being this prevelent.
I have brought in 300 million trit in the last 2 weeks with smaller amounts of other bulky minerals like pyerite and mex.
I wonder is there any CCP math on Hauler spawns or am I just lucky?
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
715
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Posted - 2012.05.07 19:50:00 -
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Panic more please. |
Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
215
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:07:00 -
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I've noticed larger quantities of minerals getting dumped to buy orders in the last week or so. So prices have been getting pushed down due to profit-taking. I've also noticed an apparent increase in hauler spawns. One of our guys got 4 of them inside an hour in one system right before DT. We literally didn't have enough hauling capacity to get it all before DT hit and the containers despawned. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp Nabaal Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:41:00 -
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Kris Longknife wrote:I wonder is there any CCP math on Hauler spawns or am I just lucky? It wouldn't surprise me if they temporarily bumped up hauler spawns to settle the market, but until we get more data it's tough to draw any hard conclusions. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
301
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:44:00 -
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yeah that's what's known as "a stretch" |
Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp Nabaal Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2012.05.08 04:58:00 -
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corestwo wrote:yeah that's what's known as "a stretch" Certainly. Let's assume for a moment that they did; would it even do much to suppress mineral prices for long? Isn't the idea to increase mineral production from mining? |
Aina Sasaki
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:21:00 -
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Caecilia Arene wrote:For the last 1-2 weeks there seems to be rather strong downward pressure on mineral prices. Even trit is has slid below 6. Either aggregate demand is down or people are profit taking and dumping some of their stockpiles on the market. Possibly even a little panic is setting in too...
Supply has to have been reduced somewhat since quite a few minerals came from drone regions and meta 0 reprocessing (assuming actual mining activities in 0.0, low and high sec have remained relatively constant).
I think it's dumping, and perhaps a little panic due to how fast prices are falling. Prices are probably going to rise back again in a few weeks or so once the stockpiles start to dry up.
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papamike
Precipice Industries
48
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Posted - 2012.05.08 08:08:00 -
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Aina Sasaki wrote:Caecilia Arene wrote:For the last 1-2 weeks there seems to be rather strong downward pressure on mineral prices. Even trit is has slid below 6. Either aggregate demand is down or people are profit taking and dumping some of their stockpiles on the market. Possibly even a little panic is setting in too...
Supply has to have been reduced somewhat since quite a few minerals came from drone regions and meta 0 reprocessing (assuming actual mining activities in 0.0, low and high sec have remained relatively constant). I think it's dumping, and perhaps a little panic due to how fast prices are falling. Prices are probably going to rise back again in a few Months or so once the stockpiles start to dry up.
Bolded the correction there.
My understanding is that some speculators are thinking short term and are dumping their stocks now. Others are holding onto them and will trickle feed the market for months to come. Some stockpiles are huge btw.
Then again, dont listen to me- I thought Morphite was going to settle around the 25k market and look at it now |
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2012.05.08 09:46:00 -
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Let's omg panic wtf a bit more shall we
Looking at what was supplied by droneregions (and their bots) and meta0 there is simply no way miners or hauler spawns can compensate. Only the fact that (if) CCP would adjust spawn rate is already suggesting they are aware of the inbalance between supply and demand.
New miners? Where are they going to come from? It's not exactly potential players before joining doing an evaluation of the economy and going to mine just because it make mad profitz (hiphop yo!). And added to that, i think we here in MD overestimate players desire to maximum income generation. Bottom line, mining is boring, and the majority of players won't mine, ever.
For what they are worth, if we take Yuki's calculations as a baseline, [panic incoming] personally i can't see empire dwellers making up for the huge shortages. Null will become more selfreliant but those mins will likely never see highsec ever. |
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DeliaPrescot
Balintol
19
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Posted - 2012.05.08 12:02:00 -
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You guys with large mineral stacks should start to panic right now.
What we see here is EVE most famous meme the butterfly effect. As long as the mineral prices are so high a lot of occasionally mining happens from people who usually don't mine, it's simple as that and with that occasionally mining a lot more minerals are flooded into the market. It's all about numbers even if those occasionally miners mine only for 1h per day, if enough do that ... you get the twist. Just check the daily volume of Trit from the last 2 weeks and compare that to any 2 weeks 4months ago. Right now this is not fool proof as we still have some large stockpiles and dumping going on but give it another month or 2. The difference in volume will be marginally as long as the price stay at this level.
I could be dead wrong but the only other option is CCP doesn't catch enough mining bots every week. At the end of the day all that matters is how many mining bots are killed every week. Assuming we still have a very high level of mining bots and if CCP is able to get them to a very low level in the near future mineral prices will rise to a whole new level and then the masses of real players will kick in even more.
Again it is very simple if mineral prices stay at this high level a lot of players will just mine for 1h or 2h to get enough stuff to build whatever they want even if mining will still be inferior to other proffession ISK/h wise. Mining will be the new minigame while you are on a roam, shooting structures, CTA etc. etc. |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
189
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Posted - 2012.05.08 13:29:00 -
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I feel like I need to take a deep breath after reading your post. Slow down, it will be ok. Incidental mining by players will never make up for the hordes of bots and drone-poo farmers that used to supply the majority of minerals. Mining is still really boring, so even if it is nearly as profitable as running L4's, people won't switch over in masses large enough to significantly effect prices.
There will simply be a new equilibrium at higher prices due to scarcity. |
DeliaPrescot
Balintol
19
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:23:00 -
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I never doubted a new equilibrium, there will be one for sure. The major factors will be CCPs success/failure in bot hunting and the price level of minerals. High level prices will cause many many players to use mining as a "passive" task in between. Mining is boring as hell and personally i would never do that but here is the thing you can mine while you do others things. You don't have to pay attention, yes you won't be efficient, you will miss cycles etc but that does not matter as you do it as 2nd task. To get into low level "passive" mining you need about 2weeks skilltime (not talking about Hulk).
Talk to some older players like 4 to 5 years old ones and ask them how it was back then, i bet about 50% had a 2nd char with mining as profession doing that awful boring mining as 2nd task while doing the fun thing as main. Factor in that it is easy as hell to produce T1 Ships/Stuff, the BPC are cheap the skill level to make them low. A lot more players will just start to produce their own stuff bypassing the market and they won't care that it won't be ISK/h efficient as "passive" mined mins are free. In this case i mean literally free as you do it as 2nd task.
I can hear a lot of MD screaming now mins are not free, they aren't if you are doing it as main task but as 2nd task i label them as free. |
Kris Longknife
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:31:00 -
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I too, dual box when I am trying to gain income. I have one person ratting and one mining. I agree the mining is boreing as hell and if I only had one character would stay the hell away from it. But in this day and age in EVE who only has one character but the lowest of newguys. CCP is even getting in the act by playing up its power of two program.
The idea that people will stay away from mining because it is boring is ... incomplete. Many will be jumping to do this as a side profession since they allready have something else to keep their interest.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
302
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:06:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/3RvXg.png
tell me again, oh late 2009 player, how things were back in "the old days" |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
302
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:08:00 -
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by the way in case my derision wasn't clear mining was never like that and anyone who had actually mined would know that the idea of mining to build stuff is laughable. why yes i have all these crokite and arkonor and bistot asteroids around me with zydrine and nocxium and megacyte, so im going to go and mine the veldspar instead. you know, so I can build my own rifter. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3079
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:17:00 -
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everyone lied to you minerals are worthless dump them all |
Moto Akimoto
Tengu and Cash
15
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:24:00 -
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LOL
Don't panic people.
Just petition CCP like I did, in the subject field enter "Too Big To Fail". |
DeliaPrescot
Balintol
20
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:33:00 -
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corestwo wrote:http://i.imgur.com/3RvXg.png
tell me again, oh late 2009 player, how things were back in "the old days"
You should know it better ;) but in mine case you are correct but that doesn't mean i don't know 4 to 5 year old ones pre Drone poo times.
Anyway i know
corestwo wrote:by the way in case my derision wasn't clear mining was never like that and anyone who had actually mined would know that the idea of mining to build stuff is laughable. why yes i have all these crokite and arkonor and bistot asteroids around me with zydrine and nocxium and megacyte, so im going to go and mine the veldspar instead. you know, so I can build my own rifter. that but that doesn't mean the average highsec carebear does and will calculate the ISK effiency nor he will argue that mins are free if you mine them on a 2nd account while you do blob warfare/whatever.
You shouldn't underestimate the carebear heart, there are awfully lot of players who started a prodder char just to build the ships they use. We will see in 2 month if and how the volume of minerals changed in Jita that is the only hard data players will get. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
302
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:42:00 -
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the highsec carebear is irrelevant because he can't mine the minerals anyone is concerned with, aside from nocxium, which is already saturated anyway.
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DeliaPrescot
Balintol
20
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:00:00 -
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Right the "good" stuff :) but you know too that mining in 0.0 is much safer than highsec. I guess Goons and any other 0.0 ally already searched for the good more or less dead end mining systems and installed a cyno jammer, set up bubbles and brought in a Rorqual. |
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:25:00 -
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DeliaPrescot wrote:Right the "good" stuff :) but you know too that mining in 0.0 is much safer than highsec. I guess Goons and any other 0.0 ally already searched for the good more or less dead end mining systems and installed a cyno jammer, set up bubbles and brought in a Rorqual. I don't think there is any 'I guess' about it. They, not singling them out specifically since I would expect most 0.0 alliances to do this, would lock the system down and mine. I do know some keep their systems locked down across multiple time zones to mine them. They'd be stupid not to.
Back in the day, waaay back in 2005, before Hulks, Orcas, Rorquals, bubbled gate, cyno jammers and drone regions mining was not anywhere near as sophisticated as it is now. Get a few miners, protected by a carrier or two in some remote system (during a quite time), mine for a few hours, refine in a POS and make some ships to go blow stuff up. Any spare high-ends were carrier jumped back to empire for sale. Low ends were always kept since they were in lower supply out the in reaches of space. Hauler spawns were useful for low ends... Ahh for the FLA and Deklain space again . I've still got jump clones in 3JN9-Q and VFK - sitting collecting dust for 5 years .
At that time Zydrine and Mega were averaging 7-8k ISK. Then came, I'm not sure which order, drone regions, and all the other stuff. High ends fell...
The big question to me now is just how much high-end supply there really is and how many 0.0 alliances are cranking the wheels of industry. There has to be less supply due to recent nerf but there has certainly been some extra recruitment for good miners - although this would take some time to filter through...
Interesting time though! |
papamike
Precipice Industries
56
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:26:00 -
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DeliaPrescot wrote:Right the "good" stuff but you know too that mining in 0.0 is much safer than highsec. I guess Goons and any other 0.0 ally already searched for the good more or less dead end mining systems and installed a cyno jammer, set up bubbles and brought in a Rorqual.
What would be amazing if you can setup a cartel like OTEC for high end mins. Endless piles of ISK :)
Cores is this an alt of yours and you are just playing silly buggers or is this guy really that clueless? |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
302
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:32:00 -
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I would have a lot of trouble pretending to be someone that clueless. |
DeliaPrescot
Balintol
20
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:38:00 -
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Now i'm offended...... i thought we are all good friends here :P |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
302
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:44:00 -
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so you're clueless AND naive. |
Cookiez Yum
Jericho Faction Sins of Jericho
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:45:00 -
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you're too stupid to be my friend =< maybe a lemming |
DeliaPrescot
Balintol
20
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Posted - 2012.05.08 16:50:00 -
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corestwo wrote:so you're clueless AND naive. Yep, caught me. |
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
17
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Posted - 2012.05.08 17:06:00 -
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Caecilia Arene wrote:[quote=DeliaPrescot] The big question to me now is just how much high-end supply there really is and how many 0.0 alliances are cranking the wheels of industry. There has to be less supply due to recent nerf but there has certainly been some extra recruitment for good miners - although this would take some time to filter through...
Interesting time though!
Matter not it does.
0.0 and hi will be more and more seperated. The shortages will impact hi mostly as alliances can basically order their minions to do whatever they want.
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Ms Bax
Union Of EVE
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:28:00 -
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I just wish I had sold all my minerals last week. |
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
59
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:25:00 -
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Ms Bax wrote:I just wish I had sold all my minerals last week.
if you are holding zydrine, nocx and megacyte you'll be fine. These are the usual suspects, and I ran a >2 bil manufacturing basket buy last night, and suprise suprise, this morning, these were not filled, and there was plenty of my scale or larger buyers outbidding me - ie I would be suprised if my orders are filled when I get home from work.
I could see trit testing 15 day old lowball orders though. Probably overproduced with people hiding in 0.8+ from hulkageddon.
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
934
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:53:00 -
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Trit is definitely feeling sluggish and dropping in price. Pyerite is holding steady at around 7.
Mex has a very wide spread between buys and sells, so I expect that to go down soon. (Or continue its downward slope.)
Isogen seems to be heading back down to 75-80. |
Ms Bax
Union Of EVE
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 15:04:00 -
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Did anyone see the tweet from CCP about the number of destroyed Exhumers?
Appears that the number of destroyed exhumers is pretty large every month even without Hulkageddon. I believe it was more then 5000 in March alone.
I serioulsy doubt Hulkageddon have that large impact if you look at dead hulks and more of an impact on the amount of miners that don't log in at all. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
304
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Posted - 2012.05.09 15:13:00 -
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You're assuming that hulkageddon replaces rather than adds to the destruction. |
Ms Bax
Union Of EVE
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 16:52:00 -
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corestwo wrote:You're assuming that hulkageddon replaces rather than adds to the destruction.
No, I realise that Hulkageddon adds more destruction to miners but the addition appears to be much smaller than I thought it'd be. It will be interesting to see how many hulks die in May. |
Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
45
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Posted - 2012.05.09 17:19:00 -
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I'm not seeing as much volume on my ore buy orders as I normally do, despite reasonable buy prices. The miners may be holding onto their supply in anticipation of another upswing in the market. I saw this behavior once earlier, shortly before the Meta0/Drone Poo patch hit.
If they ever see that 2nd upswing is another matter entirely. I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
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