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Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:21:00 -
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Goons have not wanted to give out their numbers, this is a spreadsheet I made, refer to my recent thread, do not trust me. However if you find the number to be reasonable thats another matter.
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Cookiez Yum
Jericho Faction Sins of Jericho
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:21:00 -
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i hate to say, but i've had a quick look and it looks.. ok o.o so far atleast.
I cant find any blatently stupid numbers in there |
papamike
Precipice Industries
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:17:00 -
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soldiers 5 on this one?
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:39:00 -
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This might have worked better before you destroyed your credibility with Nocx. No idea what your stake in it trying to crash zyd and mega are this time (probably to buy it cheap, same as last) but modules ammo and drones alone more than make up for your claimed shortfall, nevermind your gimmicked - far more subtly gimmicked this time, it actually took some effort to spot it, so I'll give you that - ship numbers. |
Aeryn Calbert
House Mekarae
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:12:00 -
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I'd be lying if I didn't say the Zydrine 'flash crash' didn't give me an 'oh s-hit' moment. If the fundamentals haven't changed then it must be a case of stockpiles and profit taking, with a healthy dose of market manipulation thrown in. I can't possible imagine there is an oversupply of Zydrine right now (after the drone regions and meta 0 has been nerfed), in fact I'm betting on it... So far it's been a good bet, I just can't see right now where the story ends.
Holding a rather large (for me) pile of Zyd. I was, I admit, getting the fear and urge to dump what I had That's usually the time to do just the opposite of what you want to do so I picked up a couple of more million at around 1,380 ISK before it spiked back to 1,600.
Don't know what you lads are doing but it's one hell of a ride . |
Ticarus Hellbrandt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:19:00 -
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Another post by the person with fake numbers and no proof. |
Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:35:00 -
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Oh the tears, so lets break it down:
The goon is saying my ship numbers are off, the ship numbers I said to ignore since it was hard to find actual data to fill it all out.
The other guy is complaining about lack of sources, there is a seperate tab dedicated to references. Its all derived from those.
As a matter of fact none of the "lack" data relies in any way on the ships or estimates for consumption, if you read my first post its all explained. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.05.05 17:42:00 -
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You can't just handwave away the fact that you're missing entire ship classes (frigates, destroyers, cruisers, and mining barges), nor the fact that your battleship numbers are laughable. I mean, pretending all of battleship production averages out to the smallest tier? C'mon.
And that still doesn't even touch the fact that you make no accounting for modules/ammo/etc at all. Some of Diagoras' publically tweeted statistics alone cover huge portions of your mega and zyd deficit, and that with just a few modules. |
Moto Akimoto
Tengu and Cash
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:14:00 -
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Yuki, these are suppose to be numbers comparing before & after "Escalation to Inferno" patch right?
Maybe I'm getting my data wrong or I'm confusing stuff but ...
"Escalation to Inferno" was released on Tuesday, April 24, 2012.
CCP Diagora's Tweets were posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012.
So I don't believe his "Last 7 days" stats could possibly include the drone poo nerf introduced with Escalation. (at best it includes 24-48 hours worth of Escalation data)
Am I missing something? |
Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:35:00 -
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Moto Akimoto wrote:Yuki, these are suppose to be numbers comparing before & after "Escalation to Inferno" patch right?
Maybe I'm getting my data wrong or I'm confusing stuff but ...
"Escalation to Inferno" was released on Tuesday, April 24, 2012.
CCP Diagora's Tweets were posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012.
So I don't believe his "Last 7 days" stats could possibly include the drone poo nerf introduced with Escalation. (at best it includes 24-48 hours worth of Escalation data)
Am I missing something?
Yes, this is correct. However the data he posted then was mining related, not in relation to refining, these were posted on an earlier date. As such it wasnt directly impacted by Inferno other than the change in mineral prices |
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Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.05 19:28:00 -
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The selling pressure on Zydrine today has been quite heavy and that sell order for 18,000,000 @ 1499.99 sort of stands out (at least it does right now). Seems to be a nice battle going on... |
Seymour Roids
Valar Morghulis. Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.05.05 23:38:00 -
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well personally I have 60m+ units of zydrine, acquired most of it about the start of this year when prices were between 750 & 800 p/unit; so basically I sunk about half of my isk into this venture.
I was tempted to sell when it was 1800 or 1900, but decided to hold off in hopes that it will reach pre-drone region lvls. Whether or not this happens remains to be seen. |
LoreSpade Indigo
Void Storm Black Horse Division
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Posted - 2012.05.06 03:57:00 -
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I dont know but we need some more people hauling orders around. But seems that I misplaced my Freighterr somewhere. but if we get more curculation going we can find a better price faster. the bubble has not popped yet. |
Camanae
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.06 10:15:00 -
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So any idea if these prices will continue to go down? - Megacyte and Zydrine? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.05.06 12:27:00 -
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Camanae wrote:So any idea if these prices will continue to go down? - Megacyte and Zydrine?
Megacyte:
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Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:06:00 -
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In laymans terms, VV is saying it may bounce and plummit, or is that the wrong way to put it? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.05.06 13:23:00 -
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Yuki Kasumi wrote:In laymans terms, VV is saying it may bounce and plummit, or is that the wrong way to put it?
Well what I found out when I took that screen shot (some days ago) is that Mega had hit a top and inverted downwards. When I'll have time to log in I'll check where price has gone since then but it could hit the stated target of around 2500 before taking a decision to keep diving down or bounce back up. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:22:00 -
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There are pretty exact ship number figures for 2011... only missing recon numbers... |
Yuki Kasumi
Some names are just stupid
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:25:00 -
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Ive found some of the ship numbers (obviously), feel free to link if you have more :) |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:29:00 -
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John TurbefieldGÇÅ@CCP_Diagoras |
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:29:00 -
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T2 hulls hardly matter, since the only mineral component in them is the requisite T1 hull. Few of them add any other minerals to the build (aside from morphite) and the ones that do are ultimately negligible simply because of the small volume of T2. 20 (to pull a number out of thin air) Lachesis per day using 24 megacyte each is frankly a rounding error for this kind of calculation.
I'd be more concerned about your missing hull classes and how bad your estimate for what kind of battleships were built is. |
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:57:00 -
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Per request; Maelstroms built Dec 2011: 7,093, Jan 2012: 7,478.
62.99 battleships built per hour on average in 2011; of which 2.39 were T2.
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lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
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Posted - 2012.05.07 07:53:00 -
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Finally the Mittani himself revealed that goons are actively involved in mineral market speculations: "Goonswarm sank almost a trillion isk into minerals before the Escalation patch" and "Instead of driving up mineral prices, we drove trade itself to a halt, a 40% reduction in overall volume over the previous weekend, inspiring panic-sales of minerals from desperate traders (which we bought up)".
As CCP already said, the bubble is nothing more than speculation. Even Hulkageddon is not able to stop the drop of mineral prices because at present it has nothing to do with real consumption and production of minerals. However, Hulkageddon works, you can see that in the meantime isotope prices are rising during Hulkageddon. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.05.07 10:21:00 -
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lafforet wrote:Finally the Mittani himself revealed that goons are actively involved in mineral market speculations: "Goonswarm sank almost a trillion isk into minerals before the Escalation patch" and "Instead of driving up mineral prices, we drove trade itself to a halt, a 40% reduction in overall volume over the previous weekend, inspiring panic-sales of minerals from desperate traders (which we bought up)".
As CCP already said, the bubble is nothing more than speculation. Even Hulkageddon is not able to stop the drop of mineral prices because at present it has nothing to do with real consumption and production of minerals. However, Hulkageddon works, you can see that in the meantime isotope prices are rising during Hulkageddon.
It's not just bubble, it's market making. The bubble is what they sell to clueless traders who can't read a price and they all eat the bait. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:02:00 -
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Don't act like monkeys looking for instant peanuts
Minerals WILL go up anyway, at slower rate than immediate post inferno due to speculation, but minerals price will go up unless CCP introduces those by some mean (witch I don't believe) or someone with excellent abilities with programming can make pop minerals out of nowhere at each time he logs in.
No, if you take away the cheating factor from CCP (cheaters!!) or players (saints), with only reprocessed mods and mined minerals at some point (soon) the demand will become interesting. |
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2012.05.07 12:13:00 -
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(Temporary) bubble or not. Consumption should remain fairly stable as manufacturers just adjust their prices according to the current prices.
After HG and say a month for the situation to stabilize we should have more info about supply and demand.
Combined with the summer drought and CCP's marketing targetting PVP oriented players CCP wil have no choice to interfere at some point because, well, you can't spawn miners from thin air. |
Kris Longknife
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:36:00 -
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clixor wrote:(Temporary) bubble or not. Consumption should remain fairly stable as manufacturers just adjust their prices according to the current prices.
After HG and say a month for the situation to stabilize we should have more info about supply and demand.
Combined with the summer drought and CCP's marketing targetting PVP oriented players CCP wil have no choice to interfere at some point because, well, you can't spawn miners from thin air.
No but you can spawn more hauler spawns.
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Dirk Smacker
Inglorious-Basterds
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:24:00 -
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Wasn't the bubble an overshoot of where the new normal will be as a result of the drone changes?
I think prices overshot hard because of the demand leading up to Burn Jita, and Incursions hadn't been nerfed yet elevating money supply. If HGV is having an impact, it is getting negated by null miners producing more. I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one. |
Pinstar Colton
New Lunar Republic Special Tactics Squadron
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:03:00 -
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No need to spawn miners or let bots operate with a blind eye. Rising mineral prices attracts miners.
The fact that mining is so boring is a barrier to entry of sorts. As long as that barrier exists, real miners will prosper. CCP will ban the bots, and gankers will punish the afk miners. The only ones left are the non-afk miners who are savy enough to dodge the gankers.
As mineral prices rise, the profession of mining will become more attractive to more players, until prices stabilize.
I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler. |
Caecilia Arene
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.07 17:17:00 -
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For the last 1-2 weeks there seems to be rather strong downward pressure on mineral prices. Even trit is has slid below 6. Either aggregate demand is down or people are profit taking and dumping some of their stockpiles on the market. Possibly even a little panic is setting in too...
Supply has to have been reduced somewhat since quite a few minerals came from drone regions and meta 0 reprocessing (assuming actual mining activities in 0.0, low and high sec have remained relatively constant). |
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