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Savoian
The Muppet Show
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:32:00 -
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To all miner mates, today I received this email:
"Hulkageddon Mining Permit Offer From: Andski Sent: 2012.05.05 12:17 To: Savoian,
Greetings!
It appears that you were the unfortunate victim of a Hulkageddon gank. As you may have heard, Hulkageddon V has been ongoing since April 30th, and it is well-known that hundreds of Hulks and Mackinaws are destroyed during these campaigns. Exhumers are notoriously weak and the poor state of T2 hull insurance makes these ships extremely costly to lose for the victims, while extremely cheap to kill for the gankers.
This is where I come in. I am the Goonswarm Federation director in charge of managing the Hulkageddon campaign, and I deal with selling Mining Permits. The purchase of a Permit ensures that Hulkageddon participants do not target you - should they do so, any winnings they may claim are immediately void, and your loss will be FULLY reimbursed at current Jita prices!
To purchase a Mining Permit, send this character 250 million ISK with the reason "PERMIT" and you will shortly be listed under our exemptions list (characters that Hulkageddon participants must set blue for the duration of the campaign) and any exhumer losses you incur to suicide ganks throughout the remainder of the Hulkageddon campaign will be reimbursed, provided the following conditions:
- Any losses within 4 hours of payment will NOT be reimbursed. Wait 4 hours after payment before resuming your mining! The reason for this is that gankers have some leeway to keep their contacts up to date with our spreadsheet, and cannot be expected to continuously check it. - The loss must be in HIGH SECURITY space (0.5 security or better!) No party on your killmail may have an active war declaration against your corporation/alliance or be a member of your (non-NPC) corporation. - Any indication of MACRO USAGE will void your request. Goonswarm Federation does not intend on supporting botters. - Fraud will not be tolerated. Anyone suicide ganking their own exhumers to collect payouts through this plan will be denied payment. - Only characters that send 250,000,000 ISK to "Andski" will be listed on the no-kill list! Alts are not covered, unless you send this character that same amount of ISK from those alts!
For reference, your character name will be listed on this exemption list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag0_cKv2BUAhdHI2NHU5YVY2eERqVU9GZnhVLUJRVVE
Happy mining!"
Of course I told the guy to **** off, now I want to ask all of you to do the same. DO NOT PAY! In the real world this is called MAFIA. It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out. This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often. You will end up paying for whatever you want to do all the time. DO NOT PAY!
Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but DO NOT PAY!
Sav |

Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Northern Associates.
147
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Posted - 2012.05.05 12:45:00 -
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It's just a month, pay the money if you want to mine safely, otherwise shut the hell up and wait for the 11 month long pause inbetween ageddons. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
392
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:14:00 -
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Uh, no.
It's not extortion.Extortion would require them to keep a list and make sure that everyone involved had an up to date copy of it.
It is, on the other hand, a scam. Massive massive difference between the two. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
1090
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:29:00 -
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Nothing funnier than a scam masquerading as a protection racket... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T http://eve-search.com/stats/Akita_T |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:30:00 -
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It's indeed a scam.
- They take your money - They add you to "miners to kill" list |

Flump
Renegade Traders
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:59:00 -
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i just lost a ship then got email saying same sort of thing which almost seemed funny, one advantage of it though its helped make me think why spend money on a game where someone can mess you up and theres not very much you can do back to them, if you come back with a battleship they will probably of gone somewhere else, then next time you do see them it will probably of lost kill rights so you cant do -ú$%% to them if you wanted to. eves always suffered from weak pvp penaltys its why so many go around ganking people anyway hulageddon or not. but the good news its going to save me some money.
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Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:05:00 -
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Also, GOONSWARM has nothing to do with HULKAGEDDON. That would be HELICITY'S doing.
This message brought to you by RANDOM CAPITALISATION. |

99 Ways
Eve Engineering Finance Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:42:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Also, GOONSWARM has nothing to do with HULKAGEDDON. That would be HELICITY'S doing.
This message brought to you by RANDOM CAPITALISATION.
lol |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:42:00 -
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i'm so loving this... |

Florian Bao
JinJing Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:48:00 -
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Savoian wrote:
In the real world this is called MAFIA.!!!!!!!
It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out. This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often.
Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but ...
Sav
I think what you say is bogus.
I also think you should pay. I payed and I am mining happily now.
Join the safe list!
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Janet Hope
Circus Of Flying Lion
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:51:00 -
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Im more suprised some people clearly are stupid enough to fall for this, enough that its worth giving it a try...
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:12:00 -
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Wow. Where to start.
First, if you're stupid enough to even read beyond the first two sentences, you should pay because you're clearly too stupid to pro-create.
Second, really? I know a lot of people playing this game are a little dense, but come on. This rates up there with the Goonie recruitment scam: if you fall for it, I TRULY hope you are targeted for ganking for the rest of your Eve game career.
Lrn2Eve, people. Kripes. |

Zetaomega333
HIFI INDUSTRIAL ROL.Citizens
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:41:00 -
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instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer? |

Skorpynekomimi
Omega Vector
182
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:56:00 -
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Zetaomega333 wrote:instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?
Because every time I find out where my stuff's been delivered to, I can't access it. |

Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.05.05 16:06:00 -
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Zetaomega333 wrote:instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?
A$$-hat FCs, roams with five or six different people calling out orders, douche-bag corpies who shoot just for the lulz and KMs, the inevitable "Fleet up or you're out of the corp!" idiots...
Need more? And like I've said before, if you're too stupid to not know how to mine safely (I haven't mined in 4+ years, personally), you don't belong anywhere but 1.0 noob systems. |

Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:49:00 -
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Savoian wrote:To all miner mates, today I received this email: "Hulkageddon Mining Permit Offer From: Andski Sent: 2012.05.05 12:17 To: Savoian,
Greetings!
It appears that you were the unfortunate victim of a Hulkageddon gank. As you may have heard, Hulkageddon V has been ongoing since April 30th, and it is well-known that hundreds of Hulks and Mackinaws are destroyed during these campaigns. Exhumers are notoriously weak and the poor state of T2 hull insurance makes these ships extremely costly to lose for the victims, while extremely cheap to kill for the gankers.
This is where I come in. I am the Goonswarm Federation director in charge of managing the Hulkageddon campaign, and I deal with selling Mining Permits. The purchase of a Permit ensures that Hulkageddon participants do not target you - should they do so, any winnings they may claim are immediately void, and your loss will be FULLY reimbursed at current Jita prices!
To purchase a Mining Permit, send this character 250 million ISK with the reason "PERMIT" and you will shortly be listed under our exemptions list (characters that Hulkageddon participants must set blue for the duration of the campaign) and any exhumer losses you incur to suicide ganks throughout the remainder of the Hulkageddon campaign will be reimbursed, provided the following conditions:
- Any losses within 4 hours of payment will NOT be reimbursed. Wait 4 hours after payment before resuming your mining! The reason for this is that gankers have some leeway to keep their contacts up to date with our spreadsheet, and cannot be expected to continuously check it. - The loss must be in HIGH SECURITY space (0.5 security or better!) No party on your killmail may have an active war declaration against your corporation/alliance or be a member of your (non-NPC) corporation. - Any indication of MACRO USAGE will void your request. Goonswarm Federation does not intend on supporting botters. - Fraud will not be tolerated. Anyone suicide ganking their own exhumers to collect payouts through this plan will be denied payment. - Only characters that send 250,000,000 ISK to "Andski" will be listed on the no-kill list! Alts are not covered, unless you send this character that same amount of ISK from those alts!
For reference, your character name will be listed on this exemption list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag0_cKv2BUAhdHI2NHU5YVY2eERqVU9GZnhVLUJRVVE
Happy mining!" Of course I told the guy to **** off, now I want to ask all of you to do the same. DO NOT PAY! In the real world this is called MAFIA. It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out. This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often. You will end up paying for whatever you want to do all the time. DO NOT PAY! Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but DO NOT PAY! Sav
While I agree that you should never pay an extortionist/scammer, there may be a better solution.
Don't mine in your Hulk.
Now, as a new player to Eve, I only have the skills to fly a retriever, and am currently training up to the Covetor, with a few stops along the way for skills I feel will help me. I know that no mining ship is safe, but consider this: The cost of replacing a Retriever is far less than that of a Hulk. Or hell, even a Covetor is far cheaper.
Personally I love to mine and enjoy it. Now will that change over time? Probably, but in the meantime I'm building up a nice stash of ISK while I mine away and wait for my skills to train. I have two retrievers currently, so if something happens to one, I've got a reserve. If something happens to the second one, I can afford to replace it. Of course, I can't sustain that if I lose a lot of ships, but there it is.
Again, those of y'all that have done the training to fly the Hulk, dust off your old retrievers (or covetors if you like) and mine in those. You may not pull in the amount of ore you usually do in a Hulk, but some income is better than none and you don't risk that expensive ship.
Just my two cents.  |

Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
146
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Posted - 2012.05.05 18:55:00 -
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lol ... opportunistic slobs trying to extract easy money off dumbsticks. |

Zetaomega333
HIFI INDUSTRIAL ROL.Citizens
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Posted - 2012.05.05 20:53:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Zetaomega333 wrote:instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer? A$$-hat FCs, roams with five or six different people calling out orders, douche-bag corpies who shoot just for the lulz and KMs, the inevitable "Fleet up or you're out of the corp!" idiots... Need more? And like I've said before, if you're too stupid to not know how to mine safely (I haven't mined in 4+ years, personally), you don't belong anywhere but 1.0 noob systems.
Join a nullsec Mining corp not a pvp corp. Most mining corps dont require you to do CTAs or fleet up or pvp. Staying out of the north will also eliminate the kids who shoot blues for lulz. Do your research for a proper corp instead of bitching about wrong ones.
Quote:Because every time I find out where my stuff's been delivered to, I can't access it.
Sounds like your doing somthing wrong. |

Flump
Renegade Traders
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 00:21:00 -
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if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago |

Zetaomega333
HIFI INDUSTRIAL ROL.Citizens
1
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:37:00 -
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Flump wrote:if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago
Its common Knowledge highsec is less safe than null. Stop qqing cus you cant be bothered to not hide in empire and move out to null where the isk is. |

Nicola Sardonicus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:39:00 -
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In the world of EVE, this not extortion, because it's not a crime. Here, it's a legitimate business plan, whether it's for real or a scam. Good luck with your mining ... |

Flump
Renegade Traders
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:10:00 -
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Zetaomega333 wrote:Flump wrote:if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago Its common Knowledge highsec is less safe than null. Stop qqing cus you cant be bothered to not hide in empire and move out to null where the isk is.
its nothing about bothering to not hide, if im mining where i want to why shouldnt i, for what im doing i dont need to mine in null space. lamers blowing up ships is no different to lamers who used to blow up new people in chaven just because they can.
if you think its great then thats fine thats up to you, but i dont see any reason to pay for eve to have it ruined by lamers, as i said if i was in a corp in a corp war at least it would have some meaning. to many games around that dont suffer idiots way ccp allows under bracket of because you can. |

8ObliVioN8
InterGalactic Corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 14:40:00 -
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FYIY, ganking as such should not be banned or prevented - this is Eve after all. Yet perhaps for the younger, more inexperienced players, Concord could respond a little faster with jammers and tell the aggressors to leave or be destroyed.
However, if you've been in game for a year or more, no such extra protection should exist and you should simply HTFU.
In respect to the OP, that's a scam. Perfectly legal and more fool anyone who pays up. |

Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2012.05.06 16:16:00 -
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Flump wrote:its nothing about bothering to not hide, if im mining where i want to why shouldnt i, for what im doing i dont need to mine in null space. lamers blowing up ships is no different to lamers who used to blow up new people in chaven just because they can.
if you think its great then thats fine thats up to you, but i dont see any reason to pay for eve to have it ruined by lamers, as i said if i was in a corp in a corp war at least it would have some meaning. to many games around that dont suffer idiots way ccp allows under bracket of because you can.
If you CHOOSE to fit for capacity vs tank, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to mine alone, in high, in systems in or near trade and mission hubs, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to take a lazy approach to mining vs being vigilant, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks.
You know the rules for mining in EveO. If you choose to ignore them, you take that risk on yourself. Quit trying to make EveO into your own personal intarwebz spaceships game. If you don't like EveO, make your own. |

Flump
Renegade Traders
2
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:02:00 -
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Katja Faith wrote:Flump wrote:its nothing about bothering to not hide, if im mining where i want to why shouldnt i, for what im doing i dont need to mine in null space. lamers blowing up ships is no different to lamers who used to blow up new people in chaven just because they can.
if you think its great then thats fine thats up to you, but i dont see any reason to pay for eve to have it ruined by lamers, as i said if i was in a corp in a corp war at least it would have some meaning. to many games around that dont suffer idiots way ccp allows under bracket of because you can. If you CHOOSE to fit for capacity vs tank, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to mine alone, in high, in systems in or near trade and mission hubs, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to take a lazy approach to mining vs being vigilant, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. You know the rules for mining in EveO. If you choose to ignore them, you take that risk on yourself. Quit trying to make EveO into your own personal intarwebz spaceships game. If you don't like EveO, make your own.
thanks for proving my point about the morons who hide behind the because you can excuse. mining ships are not combat ships you cant fit them out for combat or you that stupid you dont know that. wasnt in a trade or mission hub system either and since you dont know where i was thats a pretty pointless statement for you to make on that front. lazy approach to mining I wasnt afk mining i heard alarm and looked then they blew the pod as i tried to jump but since you werent there im not sure how you know what i was or wasnt doing at the time.
your not having much luck out of your post i wasnt able to find one thing that related to what i said.
now go back to attacking newbies in around amar station like you normaly spend your time. |

Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.05.06 21:24:00 -
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Flump wrote:thanks for proving my point about the morons who hide behind the because you can excuse. mining ships are not combat ships you cant fit them out for combat or you that stupid you dont know that. wasnt in a trade or mission hub system either and since you dont know where i was thats a pretty pointless statement for you to make on that front. lazy approach to mining I wasnt afk mining i heard alarm and looked then they blew the pod as i tried to jump but since you werent there im not sure how you know what i was or wasnt doing at the time.
your not having much luck out of your post i wasnt able to find one thing that related to what i said.
now since youve had your account for 3months your either an alt account or someone who talks %$%$ on forums.
I know what happened to you because it's been happening for years here. I don't need to have seen your conflict to know exactly what happened. You looked up at an alarm and were suddenly podded? That pretty much proves the point that you were taking the lazy approach to mining, and the fact that they (or he) was able to pod you means you weren't fit for tank. Also common around here.
Get testy all you like, but it doesn't change one simple fact: you lost because you didn't do it right (tm). Like anything in EveO, you have to learn now to do it. If Solitaire is more your speed, have fun. It doesn't sound like EveO is for you. (And yes, I'm assuming you're not trolling, although I suspect you are.)
Have fun at one of those other many games. Maybe you'll fit in better there than here. |

Salo Aldeland
Luma Operations
29
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:46:00 -
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All other games put a nice even limit on how much you can achieve. And they make sure everybody who pays their dues gets to reach that level. They make sure other players aren't allowed to keep you from getting there. It's nice and fair.
With EVE, the sky is the limit. There's almost nothing you can't conceive of that isn't within the realm of possibility. Which includes picking fights with 100:1 odds in your favor, being a bastard, cheating, and ruining the fun of other players. If you want to start putting up little walls that say, "You can do anything you like, but just not this," you want to ruin EVE's best quality.
This game isn't popular because people enjoy clicking on asteroids and space ships more than they enjoy clicking on orcs or Jedi or something. There's more to it than that. |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
107
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:21:00 -
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Zetaomega333 wrote:instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?
absolutely... if the cars are swerving up onto the sidewalk to get you, play in the streets. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |

beor oranes
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
26
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Posted - 2012.05.07 20:02:00 -
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That's really quite inventive by Goons. Props to them for taking the initiative.
To the miners; just find a mission running mate and mine the roids in missions. |

DitchDigger
Hibi Proletariat
10
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:42:00 -
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Flump wrote:i just lost a ship then got email saying same sort of thing which almost seemed funny, one advantage of it though its helped make me think why spend money on a game where someone can mess you up and theres not very much you can do back to them, if you come back with a battleship they will probably of gone somewhere else, then next time you do see them it will probably of lost kill rights so you cant do -ú$%% to them if you wanted to. eves always suffered from weak pvp penaltys its why so many go around ganking people anyway hulageddon or not. but the good news its going to save me some money,people can call me carebear or what ever i dont really care. theres to many other games that are fun where you dont have to worry about some idiot coming along and ruining months of work. if someones in a corp war then would be fair enough but its not even any skill to it if it was battleship vs battleships then could see something in it, but someone with a combat ship attacking miners or freighters you got to be pretty week minded to consider that any achivement, no different to weak players who spawn camp other games because they suck in open combat.
good points. I've played several PVP games, including darkfallonline. It always strikes me as odd just how risk averse the loud chest-thumping group is. It is miners that are really the only ones taking any risk. |
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