Also, GOONSWARM has nothing to do with HULKAGEDDON. That would be HELICITY'S doing.

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In the real world this is called MAFIA.!!!!!!!

It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out.
This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often.


Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but ...

Sav

instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?

instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?

To all miner mates, today I received this email:

"Hulkageddon Mining Permit Offer
From: Andski
Sent: 2012.05.05 12:17
To: Savoian,

Greetings!

It appears that you were the unfortunate victim of a Hulkageddon gank. As you may have heard, Hulkageddon V has been ongoing since April 30th, and it is well-known that hundreds of Hulks and Mackinaws are destroyed during these campaigns. Exhumers are notoriously weak and the poor state of T2 hull insurance makes these ships extremely costly to lose for the victims, while extremely cheap to kill for the gankers.

This is where I come in. I am the Goonswarm Federation director in charge of managing the Hulkageddon campaign, and I deal with selling Mining Permits. The purchase of a Permit ensures that Hulkageddon participants do not target you - should they do so, any winnings they may claim are immediately void, and your loss will be FULLY reimbursed at current Jita prices!

To purchase a Mining Permit, send this character 250 million ISK with the reason "PERMIT" and you will shortly be listed under our exemptions list (characters that Hulkageddon participants must set blue for the duration of the campaign) and any exhumer losses you incur to suicide ganks throughout the remainder of the Hulkageddon campaign will be reimbursed, provided the following conditions:

- Any losses within 4 hours of payment will NOT be reimbursed. Wait 4 hours after payment before resuming your mining! The reason for this is that gankers have some leeway to keep their contacts up to date with our spreadsheet, and cannot be expected to continuously check it.
- The loss must be in HIGH SECURITY space (0.5 security or better!) No party on your killmail may have an active war declaration against your corporation/alliance or be a member of your (non-NPC) corporation.
- Any indication of MACRO USAGE will void your request. Goonswarm Federation does not intend on supporting botters.
- Fraud will not be tolerated. Anyone suicide ganking their own exhumers to collect payouts through this plan will be denied payment.
- Only characters that send 250,000,000 ISK to "Andski" will be listed on the no-kill list! Alts are not covered, unless you send this character that same amount of ISK from those alts!

For reference, your character name will be listed on this exemption list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag0_cKv2BUAhdHI2NHU5YVY2eERqVU9GZnhVLUJRVVE

Happy mining!"


Of course I told the guy to **** off, now I want to ask all of you to do the same.
DO NOT PAY!
In the real world this is called MAFIA.
It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out.
This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often.
You will end up paying for whatever you want to do all the time.
DO NOT PAY!

Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but DO NOT PAY!

Sav

A$$-hat FCs, roams with five or six different people calling out orders, douche-bag corpies who shoot just for the lulz and KMs, the inevitable "Fleet up or you're out of the corp!" idiots...

Need more? And like I've said before, if you're too stupid to not know how to mine safely (I haven't mined in 4+ years, personally), you don't belong anywhere but 1.0 noob systems.

Because every time I find out where my stuff's been delivered to, I can't access it.

if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago

Its common Knowledge highsec is less safe than null. Stop qqing cus you cant be bothered to not hide in empire and move out to null where the isk is.

its nothing about bothering to not hide, if im mining where i want to why shouldnt i, for what im doing i dont need to mine in null space. lamers blowing up ships is no different to lamers who used to blow up new people in chaven just because they can.

if you think its great then thats fine thats up to you, but i dont see any reason to pay for eve to have it ruined by lamers, as i said if i was in a corp in a corp war at least it would have some meaning. to many games around that dont suffer idiots way ccp allows under bracket of because you can.

If you CHOOSE to fit for capacity vs tank, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to mine alone, in high, in systems in or near trade and mission hubs, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks. If you CHOOSE to take a lazy approach to mining vs being vigilant, that's your choice, and you need to accept the risks.

You know the rules for mining in EveO. If you choose to ignore them, you take that risk on yourself. Quit trying to make EveO into your own personal intarwebz spaceships game. If you don't like EveO, make your own.

thanks for proving my point about the morons who hide behind the because you can excuse. mining ships are not combat ships you cant fit them out for combat or you that stupid you dont know that. wasnt in a trade or mission hub system either and since you dont know where i was thats a pretty pointless statement for you to make on that front. lazy approach to mining I wasnt afk mining i heard alarm and looked then they blew the pod as i tried to jump but since you werent there im not sure how you know what i was or wasnt doing at the time.

your not having much luck out of your post i wasnt able to find one thing that related to what i said.


now since youve had your account for 3months your either an alt account or someone who talks %$%$ on forums.

instead of crying about huklageddon why dont you kids get out of highsec and go to null where it is safer?

i just lost a ship then got email saying same sort of thing which almost seemed funny, one advantage of it though its helped make me think why spend money on a game where someone can mess you up and theres not very much you can do back to them, if you come back with a battleship they will probably of gone somewhere else, then next time you do see them it will probably of lost kill rights so you cant do -ú$%% to them if you wanted to. eves always suffered from weak pvp penaltys its why so many go around ganking people anyway hulageddon or not. but the good news its going to save me some money,people can call me carebear or what ever i dont really care. theres to many other games that are fun where you dont have to worry about some idiot coming along and ruining months of work. if someones in a corp war then would be fair enough but its not even any skill to it if it was battleship vs battleships then could see something in it, but someone with a combat ship attacking miners or freighters you got to be pretty week minded to consider that any achivement, no different to weak players who spawn camp other games because they suck in open combat.

good points. I've played several PVP games, including darkfallonline. It always strikes me as odd just how risk averse the loud chest-thumping group is. It is miners that are really the only ones taking any risk.

.. I wasnt afk mining ..
.. i heard alarm and looked then they blew the pod as i tried to jump ..

Also, GOONSWARM has nothing to do with HULKAGEDDON. That would be HELICITY'S doing.

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While true I agree maybe very high sec systems 1.0, 0.9 should be very secure for the begginer players who can't even fit a tank to their mining vessle. The only way I can see of working the problem get miners to pay an alliance or 2 and get them to eradicate goonswarm from the map. no goons no problem; well till some one else trys to do it. Cos as said anoying deffinetly but its a sandbox you can do what ever you want providing it within the rules of the game (aka no cheating)

Or well join a 0.0 mining corp and get out of goonswarms influence range

not sure if serious

lol ... opportunistic slobs trying to extract easy money off dumbsticks.

if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago

So why aren't you suiciding Goon freighters, haulers, etc in Empire then?

if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago

Low cost ship DESIGNED FOR COMBAT destroys expensive ship designed for everything BUT combat. (Aside from drones)
Yeah... if a child who did martial arts for 5/10 years beats up a potential rapist in his mid 30's/40's, does that mean humans are flawed? The man in his 30's/40's should obviously be stronger, because he is older ("the hulk should obviously be stronger, because it's more expensive"). ...No, it doesn't work like that. Get over it. If you're really afraid of losing your exhumer, go play missions. More fun and a nice change of pace.

Does getting my ship ganked in highsec even though i'm not afk aggravate me? yes! However, regardless of the price of a new car, cheep or expensive, stuff gets wrecked every day in the real world and the same happens in eve.

The biggest thing here to me is a lack of a player driven system with skills that basically allow people to place long term detriments to criminals. I would suggest a series of skills in the Social skill tree for lawyer type mechanics. Such as the ability to seize / stop any criminal wallet activity for x amount of time (such as a month) so that the criminal cant actually buy anything at all in game on the market... because he cant access his isk. An ability for lawyers to make it so criminals can not dock in high security systems or even low security with another skill. An ability to flag a captain the inability to "disappear" into the void when the player logs off so when the criminal logs out, the character continues to remain AFK in the game until this flag is either overturned or the sentenced time is ran.

Once we can add judges / lawyer skills to high sec so that we can disrupt a criminal == to how they disrupt others (not just miners), we will be lacking.

I for one would sell my services as a lawyer to anyone who had the right amount of cash, ensure the criminal character was nearly neutered from doing anything in game for x amount of time without fleeing into null sec. I would also push for Concord forces to be allowed to POD -10 security status characters in high sec with reduced medical insurance (IE - force the criminal to become more dumb by losing skill points for their actions)

I'm fairly certain a potential criminal would think twice before actually committing a crime if they lost skill points when they did it and couldn't access their banks anymore or dock up to get more ships. They would have to live off of the good favor of their friends to help replace their ships.

... Now I want an attorney character.

thanks for the input now go back to your colouring book.

most of the ones saying about getting over it have probably never had a hulk.

Also, GOONSWARM has nothing to do with HULKAGEDDON. That would be HELICITY'S doing.

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It's indeed a scam.

- They take your money
- They add you to "miners to kill" list

To all miner mates, today I received this email:

"Hulkageddon Mining Permit Offer
From: Andski
Sent: 2012.05.05 12:17
To: Savoian,

Greetings!

It appears that you were the unfortunate victim of a Hulkageddon gank. As you may have heard, Hulkageddon V has been ongoing since April 30th, and it is well-known that hundreds of Hulks and Mackinaws are destroyed during these campaigns. Exhumers are notoriously weak and the poor state of T2 hull insurance makes these ships extremely costly to lose for the victims, while extremely cheap to kill for the gankers.

This is where I come in. I am the Goonswarm Federation director in charge of managing the Hulkageddon campaign, and I deal with selling Mining Permits. The purchase of a Permit ensures that Hulkageddon participants do not target you - should they do so, any winnings they may claim are immediately void, and your loss will be FULLY reimbursed at current Jita prices!

To purchase a Mining Permit, send this character 250 million ISK with the reason "PERMIT" and you will shortly be listed under our exemptions list (characters that Hulkageddon participants must set blue for the duration of the campaign) and any exhumer losses you incur to suicide ganks throughout the remainder of the Hulkageddon campaign will be reimbursed, provided the following conditions:

- Any losses within 4 hours of payment will NOT be reimbursed. Wait 4 hours after payment before resuming your mining! The reason for this is that gankers have some leeway to keep their contacts up to date with our spreadsheet, and cannot be expected to continuously check it.
- The loss must be in HIGH SECURITY space (0.5 security or better!) No party on your killmail may have an active war declaration against your corporation/alliance or be a member of your (non-NPC) corporation.
- Any indication of MACRO USAGE will void your request. Goonswarm Federation does not intend on supporting botters.
- Fraud will not be tolerated. Anyone suicide ganking their own exhumers to collect payouts through this plan will be denied payment.
- Only characters that send 250,000,000 ISK to "Andski" will be listed on the no-kill list! Alts are not covered, unless you send this character that same amount of ISK from those alts!

For reference, your character name will be listed on this exemption list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag0_cKv2BUAhdHI2NHU5YVY2eERqVU9GZnhVLUJRVVE

Happy mining!"


Of course I told the guy to **** off, now I want to ask all of you to do the same.
DO NOT PAY!
In the real world this is called MAFIA.
It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out.
This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often.
You will end up paying for whatever you want to do all the time.
DO NOT PAY!

Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but DO NOT PAY!

Sav

A$$-hat FCs, roams with five or six different people calling out orders, douche-bag corpies who shoot just for the lulz and KMs, the inevitable "Fleet up or you're out of the corp!" idiots.

On august 8th the dynamics of ganking miners will change drastically.

In the world of EVE, this not extortion, because it's not a crime. Here, it's a legitimate business plan, whether it's for real or a scam. Good luck with your mining ...