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Alexander Eisenhower Vortek Corporation Vortek Federation 1	Posted - 2012.05.05 15:29:00 - [1] - Quote A couple of noob questions here to hopefully avoid buying doubles of stuff that i dont need. 1. Do Adaptive Resistence Plates and Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane penalize each other? 2. Are there specific advantages/disadavantages to one over the other besides the cpu draw of the energized? 3. Is there anyway to get passive armor regen? 4. Is the 60% structural resistence of the Damage Control II modules in adition to the 15% armor and 12.5% shield resists? I am new obviously and I find the search engine to be less than adequete so, any feed back on any one or all questions would be greatly appreciated.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4035	Posted - 2012.05.05 15:35:00 - [2] - Quote 1. yes 2. "energized" nets you higher resist bonuses assuming equal meta level 3. no 4. yes "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Bane Necran 459	Posted - 2012.05.05 15:37:00 - [3] - Quote 1. Yes, anything which affects the same attribute, or resistance, is punished by diminishing returns after the attribute or resistance reaches a certain point. 2. Energized gives higher resists 3. No. 4. Yes, Damage controls affect shield, armor, and structure edit: damn my verbosity "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Ifly Uwalk Concentrated Evil Mining For Profit Alliance 212	Posted - 2012.05.05 15:37:00 - [4] - Quote Andski wrote: helpful post who are you and what have you done to Andski?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6416	Posted - 2012.05.05 15:39:00 - [5] - Quote Alexander Eisenhower wrote: A couple of noob questions here to hopefully avoid buying doubles of stuff that i dont need. 1. Do Adaptive Resistence Plates and Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane penalize each other? 2. Are there specific advantages/disadavantages to one over the other besides the cpu draw of the energized? 3. Is there anyway to get passive armor regen? 4. Is the 60% structural resistence of the Damage Control II modules in adition to the 15% armor and 12.5% shield resists? I am new obviously and I find the search engine to be less than adequete so, any feed back on any one or all questions would be greatly appreciated. 1. Yes, all resistance modules do (except suitcases, but that's why they're awsome and why you can only have one of them). 2. The plates give you lower resists. 3. No. 4. Yes. All three bonuses are in effect at all time as long as the module is turned on. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4035	Posted - 2012.05.05 15:45:00 - [6] - Quote Tippia wrote: 2. The plates give you lower resists. i see your glass is half-empty "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Alexander Eisenhower Vortek Corporation Vortek Federation 1	Posted - 2012.05.05 16:03:00 - [7] - Quote Thanks to everyone for the replies, very helpful
Eternum Praetorian Malum Crusis 760	Posted - 2012.05.05 16:09:00 - [8] - Quote Read This Link It clears allot of things up. The EVE Gateway Blog
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 169	Posted - 2012.05.05 16:52:00 - [9] - Quote Andski wrote: Tippia wrote: 2. The plates give you lower resists. i see your glass is half-empty My glass is neither full or empty. It isn't rose colored either. Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes. I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6416	Posted - 2012.05.05 16:54:00 - [10] - Quote Ocih wrote: Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes. I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now. You're confused about what plates we're talking about and why they're called GÇ£adaptiveGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 169	Posted - 2012.05.05 17:15:00 - [11] - Quote Tippia wrote: Ocih wrote: Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes. I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now. You're confused about what plates we're talking about and why they're called GÇ£adaptiveGÇ¥. No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming. EHP 14,000 Alpha strike from wing 3: 70,000 HP. No need to adapt anymore. - If these read damage and adapt to alpha strike, it will be of some benefit. It will become the new preferential fit for Carriers. An Adaptive fit, Doomsday proof Archon or Thanatos might actually be possible.
Alexander Eisenhower Vortek Corporation Vortek Federation 1	Posted - 2012.05.05 17:18:00 - [12] - Quote Ocih wrote: Tippia wrote: Ocih wrote: Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes. I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now. You're confused about what plates we're talking about and why they're called GÇ£adaptiveGÇ¥. No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming. EHP 14,000 Alpha strike from wing 3: 70,000 HP. No need to adapt anymore. I hope not to be anywhere near 70,000 dps anytime soon. So no need to say more. By the way, is that damage per second , as reflected in my fitting tab, or is it damage per shot?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6416	Posted - 2012.05.05 17:18:00 - [13] - Quote Ocih wrote: No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming. No you aren't, because no they don't. They are just weaker, more easily-fitted EANMs (which are also GÇ£adaptiveGÇ¥). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 169	Posted - 2012.05.05 17:31:00 - [14] - Quote Tippia wrote: Ocih wrote: No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming. No you aren't, because no they don't. They are just weaker, more easily-fitted EANMs (which are also GÇ£adaptiveGÇ¥). Tippia is right. I was seeing a new adaptive plate they talked about at fanfest. One that adjusts to whenever damage is being tossed at you. For you, energized will use CPU where as the standard adaptive won't. No Armor tank has CPU shortage so most go with Energized adaptives. Can they be stacked? 'Penalty is on effect" so no, they can't. Stacking penalty also happens with Rigs and fit. If you want to use multiples I'd suggest one Energized adaptive and then niche based on your hole. So if you have a weakness in Explosive, add an Adaptive and an Explosive.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 175	Posted - 2012.05.05 17:33:00 - [15] - Quote Alexander Eisenhower wrote: Ocih wrote: Tippia wrote: Ocih wrote: Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes. I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now. You're confused about what plates we're talking about and why they're called GÇ£adaptiveGÇ¥. No, I am very much aware of what you are talking about. They adapt based on damage incoming. EHP 14,000 Alpha strike from wing 3: 70,000 HP. No need to adapt anymore. I hope not to be anywhere near 70,000 dps anytime soon. So no need to say more. By the way, is that damage per second , as reflected in my fitting tab, or is it damage per shot? Alpha Strike is damge of first volley, whether from one ship or all ships in a fleet firing at roughly the same time. For highsec purposes, alpha is the shot that triggers Concord response and gets you blown up bare seconds later, so you better make it good. Strictly related to suicide ganking. Whether it is damage per second or not depends entirely on the ship and fit. For some ships guns only fire once every 10-14 seconds or so, while others fire much more rapidly. Alpha is simply the first shot. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4038	Posted - 2012.05.05 17:34:00 - [16] - Quote Ocih wrote: Andski wrote: Tippia wrote: 2. The plates give you lower resists. i see your glass is half-empty My glass is neither full or empty. It isn't rose colored either. Alpha dps will still write the rule books in EVE PvP and adaptive resists won't have time to compensate for Alpha strikes. I think I will keep my collection of 1600 mm plates for now. No, the other posters in the thread said the energized ones give better resis- you know what, nevermind. talking to a rock is a waste of time. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6418	Posted - 2012.05.05 18:32:00 - [17] - Quote Andski wrote: No, the other posters in the thread said the energized ones give better resis- you know what, nevermind. talking to a rock is a waste of time. To clarify: I said resistance plates give lower resists; the others who answered said that EANMs give higher resists. I'm saying the glass is half-empty; they're saying the glass is half-full. Patience, Andski, patience. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
JamesCLK Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners 176	Posted - 2012.05.05 19:11:00 - [18] - Quote It is also worth noting that the Tech 2 Resistance Platings give better resistance bonuses than the named (meta 1-4) Energized Membranes. As you only need "Hull Upgrades IV" to fit both Tech 2 Dammage Control Units (DCU) and Tech 2 Resistance Platings, as well as to train the 'Resistance Compensation' skills, these modules and skills are widely considered the "minimum" for armour tanking.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 964	Posted - 2012.05.05 19:14:00 - [19] - Quote Andski wrote: you know what, nevermind. talking to a rock is a waste of time. Annnnnnd,we're back after slight interruption.
Demolishar United Aggression 246	Posted - 2012.05.05 20:55:00 - [20] - Quote I would like to point out, contrary to the misinformed beliefs of others in this thread, that I have tested these modules and they DO NOT suffer from stacking penalty, making them an extremely effective alternative to EANM, and possibly the "new" Damage Control once the T2 version is available. No armor tank will go without one.
AFK Hauler State War Academy Caldari State 76	Posted - 2012.05.05 21:02:00 - [21] - Quote Demolishar wrote: I would like to point out, contrary to the misinformed beliefs of others in this thread, that I have tested these modules and they DO NOT suffer from stacking penalty, making them an extremely effective alternative to EANM, and possibly the "new" Damage Control once the T2 version is available. No armor tank will go without one. What? Nothing in EVE is without stacking penalty. How can this be? 100% resists are achievable w/o stacking adjustments.
Lexmana Imperial Stout 411	Posted - 2012.05.05 21:03:00 - [22] - Quote Demolishar wrote: I would like to point out, contrary to the misinformed beliefs of others in this thread, that I have tested these modules and they DO NOT suffer from stacking penalty, making them an extremely effective alternative to EANM, and possibly the "new" Damage Control once the T2 version is available. No armor tank will go without one. I think people in this thread are talking about "Adaptive Nano Plating" vs "Energized Adaptive Nano Plating" and not the new soon to be released "Armor Adaptive Hardener". No stacking penalty you say?
MotherMoon Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 623	Posted - 2012.05.05 21:06:00 - [23] - Quote Demolishar wrote: I would like to point out, contrary to the misinformed beliefs of others in this thread, that I have tested these modules and they DO NOT suffer from stacking penalty, making them an extremely effective alternative to EANM, and possibly the "new" Damage Control once the T2 version is available. No armor tank will go without one. You mean the new ones on SiSi right? Ok CP needs to start changing some names again, this is getting stupid
Demolishar United Aggression 248	Posted - 2012.05.05 21:06:00 - [24] - Quote Lexmana wrote: Demolishar wrote: I would like to point out, contrary to the misinformed beliefs of others in this thread, that I have tested these modules and they DO NOT suffer from stacking penalty, making them an extremely effective alternative to EANM, and possibly the "new" Damage Control once the T2 version is available. No armor tank will go without one. I think people in this thread are talking about "Adaptive Nano Plating" vs "Energized Adaptive Nano Plating" and not the new soon to be released "Armor Adaptive Hardener". No stacking penalty you say? To clarify, I am indeed talking about the soon-to-be-released resistance switching hardener.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 6420	Posted - 2012.05.05 21:24:00 - [25] - Quote AFK Hauler wrote: What? Nothing in EVE is without stacking penalty. How can this be? 100% resists are achievable w/o stacking adjustments. No, it's not. Even without stacking penalties, you're still only removing a percentage of a dwindling amount of incoming damage. 2+ù 50% (non-penalised) resists = 75% total resists. 8+ù 50% (non-penalised) resists = 99.6% total resists. Getting to 100% is mathematically impossible without a module that actually flat out gives you a 100% bonus (at which point stacking would not be a factor anyway). Demolishar wrote: To clarify, I am indeed talking about the soon-to-be-released resistance switching hardener. Yes, and we are not. However, if they are indeed not penalised (and if this is indeed not a bug or oversight), then that is actually an interesting balancing act in choosing between the adaptive hardeners and the resistance plates. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.

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