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BlackDragonShadow Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.20 04:48:00 - [1] Car companies can shut down your car if you don't make payments on it. That seems wrong to me. Especially if your work is far away and you have no means to get to it other than your car. What do you think? Touched by his noodly appendage. Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.04.20 04:54:00 - [2] Do you think giving greedy companies with links to governments money for speculating on the markets to pay debts and employees and find out that the money has been used to pay for holidays and super bonusses? Welcome to corporate slavery.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.04.20 05:24:00 - [3] I think no one will buy a brand new 2009 vehicle or be buying from a dealer who thinks this is a bad idea to the point that they want no part in it. I also will not be surprised if a black market situation emerges in which mechanics offer their services to disable these devices. As for the ethical nature.... dont sign a contract if you cant uphold your end of the bargin. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Bullageddon Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.20 06:01:00 - [4] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Car companies can shut down your car if you don't make payments on it. That seems wrong to me. Especially if your work is far away and you have no means to get to it other than your car. What do you think? Pay your damn bill.. end of story. === This Space For Lease or Sale.
Gone'Postal Void Engineers	Posted - 2009.04.20 06:27:00 - [5] Don't drive something you can't afford Originally by: masternerdguy Officer mods arent spread out because the bpos are innacesible to 99% of eve.
Roymundo Caldari Manhattan Project Inc Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.20 06:31:00 - [6] Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Car companies can shut down your car if you don't make payments on it. That seems wrong to me. Especially if your work is far away and you have no means to get to it other than your car. What do you think? it's your own choice to go out and take a car loan you couldn't afford. your own fault really. if i lent my money to someone so they could buy something, and they stopped paying me back, they have no more rights to the remaining cash or the item bought with it. you owe me. period.
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2009.04.20 07:07:00 - [7] If you dont like it stop buying new cars, simply buy old models. Tbh I am a bigger fan of older cars simply because they tend to be easier to work on, and they work fine aslong as you dont want a supercomputer onboard..... Now I will have a problem when they tell me I have to put that **** on in order to pass inspection or otherwise.... I dont care how one would rationalise such an action its my car and you cant tell me to put a"off button for police"on the damn thing.
Sanguis Sanies Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.20 07:16:00 - [8] In breaking news banks can reposes your house if you stop paying the mortgage When you take out a loan you need to have collateral, which will become property of the lender if the lendee cannot pay. depending on the type of collateral depends on the interest rate you get, houses (which historically always go up and are worth a lot of money) get the lowest interest rates, cars (which historically go down in value and are commonly destroyed by bad drivers, resulting in a loss of collateral) get a higher interest rate, and unsecured loans (with no collateral and massive risk) get the highest interest. The other thing you need to take into account is that until the debt (loan) is repaid in full the collateral (i.e. your car) is *NOT YOUR PROPERTY*
Reven Cordelle Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.20 09:13:00 - [9] Originally by: goodby4u If you dont like it stop buying new cars, simply buy old models. Tbh I am a bigger fan of older cars simply because they tend to be easier to work on, and they work fine aslong as you dont want a supercomputer onboard..... Now I will have a problem when they tell me I have to put that **** on in order to pass inspection or otherwise.... I dont care how one would rationalise such an action its my car and you cant tell me to put a "off button for police" on the damn thing. This. Pop the hood on a new car and what are you presented with? A few caps for Oil and Water - and a huge plastic cover hiding everything else away. All governed by a little computer box somewhere in the car. Great.. until it goes wrong. Example - A short while ago some of the fuel in this area was contaminated with excess Silicone. Modern cars couldn't run on it - their sensors just bugged out. Older cars chewed up the fuel like they always did. Pop the hood on a '69 Chevelle and its all there, eager for your delicate tweaks to the Holley 4 Barrel Carb. Idling too fast? Tweak it down. Cam not rowdy enough? Rip it out and stick a slightly more radical one in there. Hell, on those old lumps you could do it in a weekend. Everything is obvious. Modern cars are indeed "Fly-by-wire". Nothing is directly connected. Hell, the steering rarely is. It'll only take an error with the onboard computer and all of a sudden the throttle is wide open and the car is busting through traffic with no brake pressure. No thanks. I'd rather be at least.. attached.. to the car. In the UK we're experimenting with "Pay as you go Insurance". Good idea right? Well, until they put this little GPS Tracking Box in your car and can log the speed you've been doing. Break the speed limit by more than 10% and crash? Oh, not covered. You were speeding. Safe to say, these PAYG insurance policies are NOT selling well.
Onus Mian Amarr Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2009.04.20 09:15:00 - [10] If you're not living up to your side of the bargain then why should you still be able to use the item you were given on the understanding that you would pay for it? Show a bit of personal responsibility. ---- Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.20 10:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Bullageddon Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Car companies can shut down your car if you don't make payments on it. That seems wrong to me. Especially if your work is far away and you have no means to get to it other than your car. What do you think? Pay your damn bill.. end of story. Luckily, finance companies never make mistakes!
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.04.20 11:00:00 - [12] Edited by: Blane Xero on 20/04/2009 11:00:41 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Bullageddon Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Car companies can shut down your car if you don't make payments on it. That seems wrong to me. Especially if your work is far away and you have no means to get to it other than your car. What do you think? Pay your damn bill.. end of story. Luckily, finance companies never make mistakes! And should they ever make a mistake, you certainly wont have to go through months of paperwork to sort it, and you wont just get a written apology. Oh no sir. Eve's petitions at least get an answer, it can take months for an IRL petition to reach its verdict tbh. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.04.20 11:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Bullageddon Originally by: BlackDragonShadow Car companies can shut down your car if you don't make payments on it. That seems wrong to me. Especially if your work is far away and you have no means to get to it other than your car. What do you think? Pay your damn bill.. end of story. Luckily, finance companies never make mistakes! And thankfully the economy is a well oiled machine (especially when the gubmint don't interfere with regulation and red tape. INVISIBLE HAND) that runs perfectly smoothly all the time so it's entirely possible to know well in advance if you'll have trouble paying a loan off with your perfectly stable employment. Aren't jobs for life great?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.04.20 12:06:00 - [14] Next step: Banks can forcibly remove non-vital organs as a down payment if you run behind in your rates. Also your children can be sold to slavery as can your wife and you yourself. Accept your shackles and wear them with pride. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.04.20 12:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Abrazzar as can your wife and you yourself. Thats called marriage and there's nothing illegal bout it so long as you only have one marriage at any time ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2009.04.20 12:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Onus Mian If you're not living up to your side of the bargain then why should you still be able to use the item you were given on the understanding that you would pay for it? Show a bit of personal responsibility. Article isn't about defaulting on the loan and having the car repossessed, it's about people being late on a payment and the car shuts off, no matter if you're in the middle of nowhere on your way to a business meeting so you can pay your late car loan. Hindering one's ability to work is a terrible way to get them to pay you. Also, I think there's going to be some lawsuits out of this. In before Ralara.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Onus Mian If you're not living up to your side of the bargain then why should you still be able to use the item you were given on the understanding that you would pay for it? Show a bit of personal responsibility. Article isn't about defaulting on the loan and having the car repossessed, it's about people being late on a payment and the car shuts off, no matter if you're in the middle of nowhere on your way to a business meeting so you can pay your late car loan. Hindering one's ability to work is a terrible way to get them to pay you. Also, I think there's going to be some lawsuits out of this. Car driving through mountains is stopped due to finance company error Good-looking daughter of wrongly accused debtor dies of cold as a result Finance company sued for approximately 1 jillion dollars....
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:33:00 - [18] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/04/2009 13:38:06 Malcanis pretty much said it. As soon as one person gets in an accident because of these things I hope there's a massive public outcry. Even if you have to sign some kind of disclaimer when you get the car that the car company isn't responsible for what happens to you after they shut your vehicle off then some new government regulations preventing such disclaimers could easily fix the issue and prevent any more pointless deaths/injuries. I mean at some point a human factor has to come into play in business decisions if we want to retain our humanity, and I don't think I speak with hyperbole here. Pretty much all of us living in the West live in a post-self-reliance society. We rely on organized business to produce essentially everything we employ in order to survive. Completely unregulated free market business models are only as ethical as the people behind them, and the people behind them are usually only interested in the bottom line. They're the same people who shut off the heat in winter to apartments where the elderly occupants failed to make one energy bill payment. The question is how willing are we to allow this sort of thing to happen in the name of personal responsibility? What is a reasonable extent to which people should be punished for not having the money to afford the essentials - food, heat/cooling, transportation, and communication in the modern world?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:35:00 - [19] Edited by: Blane Xero on 20/04/2009 13:35:30 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Onus Mian If you're not living up to your side of the bargain then why should you still be able to use the item you were given on the understanding that you would pay for it? Show a bit of personal responsibility. Article isn't about defaulting on the loan and having the car repossessed, it's about people being late on a payment and the car shuts off, no matter if you're in the middle of nowhere on your way to a business meeting so you can pay your late car loan. Hindering one's ability to work is a terrible way to get them to pay you. Also, I think there's going to be some lawsuits out of this. Car driving through mountains is stopped due to finance company error Good-looking daughter of wrongly accused debtor dies of cold as a result Finance company sued for approximately 1 jillion dollars.... Going along on a busy motorway at 65~mph, Car cuts out. 20-30 cars pile up in a trainwreck, car company goes bust to all the compensation claims. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Bullageddon Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 20/04/2009 13:35:30 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Onus Mian If you're not living up to your side of the bargain then why should you still be able to use the item you were given on the understanding that you would pay for it? Show a bit of personal responsibility. Article isn't about defaulting on the loan and having the car repossessed, it's about people being late on a payment and the car shuts off, no matter if you're in the middle of nowhere on your way to a business meeting so you can pay your late car loan. Hindering one's ability to work is a terrible way to get them to pay you. Also, I think there's going to be some lawsuits out of this. Car driving through mountains is stopped due to finance company error Good-looking daughter of wrongly accused debtor dies of cold as a result Finance company sued for approximately 1 jillion dollars.... Going along on a busy motorway at 65~mph, Car cuts out. 20-30 cars pile up in a trainwreck, car company goes bust to all the compensation claims. You do realize that these things are already in use, right? (read the article again) That's not how they work. === This Space For Lease or Sale.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:44:00 - [21] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 20/04/2009 13:46:36 meant to edit previous post not post a new one
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.04.20 13:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Abrazzar as can your wife and you yourself. Thats called marriage and there's nothing illegal bout it so long as you only have one marriage at any time And only if you get found out to have multiple marriage partners as is the case in a certain part of the US. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.20 15:27:00 - [23] As opposed to Repo men hijacking your vehicle at 2 am in the morning right?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.04.20 18:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich As opposed to Repo men hijacking your vehicle at 2 am in the morning right? The life of a repo man is always intense
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.20 19:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Micheal Dietrich As opposed to Repo men hijacking your vehicle at 2 am in the morning right? The life of a repo man is always intense Yeah the only thing this really does is cut the repo man out of a paycheck with the newer vehicles. Sucks since they made it easier for repo men when they started putting a GPS in each vehicle.
Bullageddon Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.20 20:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich As opposed to Repo men hijacking your vehicle at 2 am in the morning right? If a repoman is taking your vehicle at 2am without your permission, that's grand theft auto. So.. it must not be your vehicle. === This Space For Lease or Sale.
Jago Kain Amarr Ramm's RDI	Posted - 2009.04.20 20:26:00 - [27] If you tolerate this, then your moped will be next. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.20 20:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Bullageddon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich As opposed to Repo men hijacking your vehicle at 2 am in the morning right? If a repoman is taking your vehicle at 2am without your permission, that's grand theft auto. So.. it must not be your vehicle. Something tells me you misunderstood my statement. I was pointing out that the car company shutting your vehicle down remotely due to late payments is no different than repo men taking your vehicle now, except that your car now turns into a 2000 lbs roadblock in your driveway meaning the OP's wanting to raise a red flag is truly no different than what occurs now.
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.20 20:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Jago Kain If you tolerate this, then your moped will be next. I see what you did there!
Hesod Adee Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.20 21:24:00 - [30] I can see some problems with this device: 1 - If someone makes a mistake, or has a grudge against you, your car could be shut down even though your payments are up to date. Then you lose your job because you were late to work and can't afford your next payment. 2 - If your car is shut down at the wrong time, there will be traffic accidents because of it. How long until this gets someone killed ? Sure, they say it won't shut down your car if the care is moving. But things can break. 3 - What happens if the device can't receive the signal from base ? If it stops the car, then you had better avoid parking in places with low signal reception. If it doesn't stop the car, then you can stop it disabling your car by blocking the signal. I'd suggest wrapping the receiver in tinfoil to get yourself a Faraday cage. 4 - How do they stop people hacking the system and shutting down cars because they feel like it ? 5 - Why can't those people with credit issues just buy a cheaper car ?
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.20 21:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Hesod Adee I can see some problems with this device: 1 - If someone makes a mistake, or has a grudge against you, your car could be shut down even though your payments are up to date. Then you lose your job because you were late to work and can't afford your next payment. An inquiry would most likely describe who shut the car down and why. If it is found to be an unlawful shutdown the person responsible may be released from the occupation and could face a fine. And if your job is that unreasonable for a day or 2 of investigation then wow. Originally by: Hesod Adee 2 - If your car is shut down at the wrong time, there will be traffic accidents because of it. How long until this gets someone killed ?Sure, they say it won't shut down your car if the care is moving. But things can break. I honestly hope you don't believe they will just shut it down at any random moment. You do realize that newer vehicles have a GPS unit on them allowing the company to see if your on the road or not. That would be very poor management to not know what is going on with the vehicle before performing a shutdown. Originally by: Hesod Adee 3 - What happens if the device can't receive the signal from base ? If it stops the car, then you had better avoid parking in places with low signal reception. If it doesn't stop the car, then you can stop it disabling your car by blocking the signal. I'd suggest wrapping the receiver in tinfoil to get yourself a Faraday cage. Satellite transmission just like the GPS, I'm pretty sure a sheet of tinfoil is about as effective against that as it is against the evil government aka NWO. Not too mention it would be funny to see the tin foil ground out the device and you shut the vehicle down yourself. So unless your a mountain hermit who lives miles from another living soul your pretty screwed. Originally by: Hesod Adee 4 - How do they stop people hacking the system and shutting down cars because they feel like it ? An actual valid point in this post. It is possible that is can happen and probably will and may be a point raised when it starts to happen. Originally by: Hesod Adee 5 - Why can't those people with credit issues just buy a cheaper car ? That is not how people with credit issue think. If they did think that way they wouldn't have credit issues.
Fjord Prefect	Posted - 2009.04.20 21:39:00 - [32] Quote: They usually cut out the power several days after the payment is due. Before the deadline, the driver is treated to a concert of tones and flashing indicators signaling that the deadline is approaching. So you get this thingy on your dash that flashes.. beep beep make your car payment.. beep make your car payment. ROFL This is definitely a American idea 100% IMO when it gets to this point maybe you should question whether or not your lending institution should be making loans that require this kind of tactic. On the up side if someone steals your car this could be handy
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.04.21 00:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Reven Cordelle In the UK we're experimenting with "Pay as you go Insurance". Good idea right? Well, until they put this little GPS Tracking Box in your car and can log the speed you've been doing. Break the speed limit by more than 10% and crash? Oh, not covered. You were speeding. At the risk of starting a US/UK flamewar, lol UK. Seriously? 10% over the speed limit is nothing. Hell, I get ticked off if people are driving only 10% over the limit. Also, lol, highways? Does anyone actually observe speed limits there? Let alone the fact that (as far as I know) speed limits aren't intended to apply to all road conditions (25 mph roads labeled as such because of winter conditions etc) at all times of the year, etc. if it's a 35 mph zone and you are going below 40, and I am behind you, you are **ing me off I would be very sad if this policy caught on tbh. (In b4 accusations of being an unsafe driver) __________________________________ Originally by:** CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.21 00:22:00 - [34] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: Reven Cordelle In the UK we're experimenting with "Pay as you go Insurance". Good idea right? Well, until they put this little GPS Tracking Box in your car and can log the speed you've been doing. Break the speed limit by more than 10% and crash? Oh, not covered. You were speeding. At the risk of starting a US/UK flamewar, lol UK. Seriously? 10% over the speed limit is nothing. Hell, I get ticked off if people are driving only 10% over the limit. Also, lol, highways? Does anyone actually observe speed limits there? Let alone the fact that (as far as I know) speed limits aren't intended to apply to all road conditions (25 mph roads labeled as such because of winter conditions etc) at all times of the year, etc. if it's a 35 mph zone and you are going below 40, and I am behind you, you are ****ing me off I would be very sad if this policy caught on tbh. (In b4 accusations of being an unsafe driver) And I love annoying people like you. The ones that amuse me the most are the guys who get behind me as I'm passing a car, so I slow down and watch them get behind the other car, so I speed up and they get behind me. I like seeing how many times I can get away with it before they catch on. Cops in my area love speeders so I watch my gauge like a hawk. Sure the 5mph rule still applies but for the state troopers if your going 6 over they'll be right on you. Also down here we have a road that goes out to Swan Falls dam and on that road you see a sign that states 25mph for a corner and take my word for it, you better be doing 25mph. Every year we have 15+ rollovers on that corner.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.04.21 00:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich And I love annoying people like you. The ones that amuse me the most are the guys who get behind me as I'm passing a car, so I slow down and watch them get behind the other car, so I speed up and they get behind me. I like seeing how many times I can get away with it before they catch on. Cops in my area love speeders so I watch my gauge like a hawk. Sure the 5mph rule still applies but for the state troopers if your going 6 over they'll be right on you. Also down here we have a road that goes out to Swan Falls dam and on that road you see a sign that states 25mph for a corner and take my word for it, you better be doing 25mph. Every year we have 15+ rollovers on that corner. I live in eastern Massachusetts, this concept of "passing" is alien to me (Seriously, I'd LOVE it if we had any straight/wide enough roads where passing was legal) I was mostly talking about people who can't be arsed to keep up with traffic, so they go like 5-10 MPH slower than the guy in front of 'em for no adequate reason and don't care about the 7-8 cars trailing behind them. If you enjoy deliberately annoying people for the hell of it though, you're kind of a douchebag __________________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Hesod Adee Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.04.21 02:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Hesod Adee I can see some problems with this device: 1 - If someone makes a mistake, or has a grudge against you, your car could be shut down even though your payments are up to date. Then you lose your job because you were late to work and can't afford your next payment. An inquiry would most likely describe who shut the car down and why. If it is found to be an unlawful shutdown the person responsible may be released from the occupation and could face a fine. And if your job is that unreasonable for a day or 2 of investigation then wow. Point taken. Though I was thinking of someone turning off your car, then stonewalling for as long as they could because they think they don't make mistakes. But even then, you should be able to make use of public transport. Quote: Originally by: Hesod Adee 2 - If your car is shut down at the wrong time, there will be traffic accidents because of it. How long until this gets someone killed ?Sure, they say it won't shut down your car if the care is moving. But things can break. I honestly hope you don't believe they will just shut it down at any random moment. You do realize that newer vehicles have a GPS unit on them allowing the company to see if your on the road or not. That would be very poor management to not know what is going on with the vehicle before performing a shutdown. Fair enough. Quote: Originally by: Hesod Adee 3 - What happens if the device can't receive the signal from base ? If it stops the car, then you had better avoid parking in places with low signal reception. If it doesn't stop the car, then you can stop it disabling your car by blocking the signal. I'd suggest wrapping the receiver in tinfoil to get yourself a Faraday cage. Satellite transmission just like the GPS, I'm pretty sure a sheet of tinfoil is about as effective against that as it is against the evil government aka NWO. Do you know what a Faraday cage is ? Quote: Not too mention it would be funny to see the tin foil ground out the device and you shut the vehicle down yourself. So unless your a mountain hermit who lives miles from another living soul your pretty screwed. So you just have to be careful when wrapping the device. A layer of plastic under the tinfoil should prevent any embarrassing shorts.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.04.21 03:03:00 - [37] Originally by: Micheal Dietrich Originally by: Bullageddon Originally by: Micheal Dietrich As opposed to Repo men hijacking your vehicle at 2 am in the morning right? If a repoman is taking your vehicle at 2am without your permission, that's grand theft auto. So.. it must not be your vehicle. Something tells me you misunderstood my statement. I was pointing out that the car company shutting your vehicle down remotely due to late payments is no different than repo men taking your vehicle now, except that your car now turns into a 2000 lbs roadblock in your driveway meaning the OP's wanting to raise a red flag is truly no different than what occurs now. Id honestly welcome the shut down over the Repo man. Repo man can lead to some nasty situations with a gun, not to mention the repo man inadvertantly impounds everything in the car at the time, which would be worse than losing the car (IE office documents, etc), with this you still atleast have access to your property within the car. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2009.04.21 03:39:00 - [38] Problem with this device vs. repo man is that it can be used much more casually. To repo a vehicle you need to find it, send two men with a tow truck, haul it back to lot, whatever. Not especially cheap, fast, or easy for the creditor. This device, push button, done. So, repo men are usually only sent out once it's clear you're not going to pay, this device, maybe the second after your payment was due if they're **s about it. As for blocking device, I imagine they hide it best they can for the very purpose. I'd be more inclined to find our how to trigger it myself, and doing this repeatedly, just to ** with the creditor. In before Ralara.
Micheal Dietrich Caldari	Posted - 2009.04.21 05:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Brea Lafail As for blocking device, I imagine they hide it best they can for the very purpose. I'd be more inclined to find our how to trigger it myself, and doing this repeatedly, just to **** with the creditor. I'd imagine it'd be the same as the GPS so it could be in one of about 12 locations. They keep them in random locations but car thieves do carry little transmitters on them that help locate the device. I'm sure the same could be made for the lock down.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.04.21 06:09:00 - [40] Anything that man makes can ultimately be defeated. If the makers of this device are smart though they will have made it so it causes permanant shutdown of the car if the device is tampered with in a significant way. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Reven Cordelle Caldari Yamainu-Mirai Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.04.21 10:41:00 - [41] Originally by: Terianna Eri At the risk of starting a US/UK flamewar, lol UK. Seriously? 10% over the speed limit is nothing. Hell, I get ticked off if people are driving only 10% over the limit. Also, lol, highways? Does anyone actually observe speed limits there? Let alone the fact that (as far as I know) speed limits aren't intended to apply to all road conditions (25 mph roads labeled as such because of winter conditions etc) at all times of the year, etc. if it's a 35 mph zone and you are going below 40, and I am behind you, you are **ing me off I would be very sad if this policy caught on tbh. (In b4 accusations of being an unsafe driver) No flamewar if I agree with you. Lol UK indeed. What annoys me more is people who don't get the pedal down when joining highways. I was behind some asshat woman today, joining the highway it goes from 30 up to 50 mph, but no. This woman was content on doing 30mph all the way up to the 60 zone. Safe to say I overtook and cut her up good and proper. Then again, I have savage roadrage most of the time. Not a week goes by that I don't use my horn. I've considered installing trainhorns for this purpose but i'm pretty sure thats illegal here in the UK. Much like everything else. I have to say that people doing under the speed limit is the worst. 30mph in a 40 limit should be as much of an offense as 50mph in a 30 limit. Safe to say, the UK is so damn strict on speed limits - infact I believe they're thinking about reducing all limits by 10mph. So a 30 limit (which is already disgustingly slow) turns into a 20 limit. 20 Miles Per Hour? I can ing Cycle faster than that. And its all because ****ed pedestrians just run into the middle of the road and expect not to get smashed by 2 tons of agitated steel. Bah. S'like sticking your hand in a mincer and expecting Lemon sherbert to come out.
Xen Gin Solar Excavations Ultd. Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.21 13:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Originally by: Terianna Eri At the risk of starting a US/UK flamewar, lol UK. Seriously? 10% over the speed limit is nothing. Hell, I get ticked off if people are driving only 10% over the limit. Also, lol, highways? Does anyone actually observe speed limits there? Let alone the fact that (as far as I know) speed limits aren't intended to apply to all road conditions (25 mph roads labeled as such because of winter conditions etc) at all times of the year, etc. if it's a 35 mph zone and you are going below 40, and I am behind you, you are **ing me off I would be very sad if this policy caught on tbh. (In b4 accusations of being an unsafe driver) No flamewar if I agree with you. Lol UK indeed. What annoys me more is people who don't get the pedal down when joining highways. I was behind some asshat woman today, joining the highway it goes from 30 up to 50 mph, but no. This woman was content on doing 30mph all the way up to the 60 zone. Safe to say I overtook and cut her up good and proper. Then again, I have savage roadrage most of the time. Not a week goes by that I don't use my horn. I've considered installing trainhorns for this purpose but i'm pretty sure thats illegal here in the UK. Much like everything else. I have to say that people doing under the speed limit is the worst. 30mph in a 40 limit should be as much of an offense as 50mph in a 30 limit. Safe to say, the UK is so damn strict on speed limits - infact I believe they're thinking about reducing all limits by 10mph. So a 30 limit (which is already disgustingly slow) turns into a 20 limit. 20 Miles Per Hour? I can ing Cycle faster than that. And its all because ****ed pedestrians just run into the middle of the road and expect not to get smashed by 2 tons of agitated steel. Bah. S'like sticking your hand in a mincer and expecting Lemon sherbert to come out. Actually it's reducing national speed limits on country roads by 10mph in blanket coverage style, in order to save lives, however most of the roads with problems will have already been lowered a few times, so the 10mph drop probably won't do anything.
K1K1R1K1 Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.04.21 20:28:00 - [43] HA!! yea ok... because hacking computer systems is impossible. If it becomes common (not just a few here and there like the article states) I can just imagine some 15 year old playing a prank and stopping a whole bunch of cars dead on the road with his laptop. Would be hilarious. That'll teach the jackoffs for accepting a device like this. _______________________________________ Don't worry aboutit.
Dr Karsun Gallente Empire News The Security Council	Posted - 2009.04.22 19:26:00 - [44] Actually, it's brilliant! If I had a car company, I'd love to have something like that in ALL my cars. It IS fair - you don't pay up, you lose it. It's one step closer to preventing all car thefts too, you get your car stolen, you stop paying for it. The engine shuts it self off and never starts again. Self destruction would also be nice :P
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2009.04.22 20:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Dr Karsun Actually, it's brilliant! If I had a car company, I'd love to have something like that in ALL my cars. It IS fair - you don't pay up, you lose it. It's one step closer to preventing all car thefts too, you get your car stolen, you stop paying for it. The engine shuts it self off and never starts again. Self destruction would also be nice :P I think most stolen cars are are used for less than a few hours, or stripped for parts. Have to be pretty brainless to drive around in a stolen car once you know it's been reported. In before Ralara.

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