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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.04.26 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 26/04/2009 09:41:38
Truly superb chronicle. Loved every second of it.
 Originally by: CCP Abraxas
I'm honestly amazed the "crew/no crew" debate still runs, given that I, Ginger and plenty of others have repeatedly nailed it into canon. As for whether the crews die, it wouldn't make any sense. The issue, as far as the storyline people are concerned, isn't whether the crew die, but rather why and how the capsuleers aren't allowed to see their escape pods.
I'm surprised you're amazed by this, in truth. Most players barely see or acknowledge the superb backstory/canon, because of the methods of delivery. None of it is in-game. Witness the repeated 'let us fly from the ****pit' requests in F&I (sigh: word filter - an alternative would be ship bridge). Those players see the pod as an escape pod because that's what makes sense to them from other games. They won't know to find the Jovian Wet Grave that explains how pods work, nor will they invest effort in finding it.
It still surprises me that despite years of development, EVE's canon is still virtually invisible in-game. We don't even have a single intro of a pod being loaded into a ship anywhere (which is what I proposed when the new less appealing intro came out on the test server). A single cinematic of pod & crew in-game would dispel more myths about how EVE pods & ships work than all the canon currently written.
As for the rest of the backstory, I always felt we lacked reasons & methods to identify with the EVE world around us. Contrast this with Warhammer Online, which, regardless of how you feel about the gameplay itself, does an excellent job of immersing you in the world, to the extent that an enormous number of players playing Orcs on non-RP EU servers feel the need to roleplay them, with hilarious but very canon results. A properly tailored EVE equivalent to WAR's Tome of Knowledge with 'you have encountered a Sansha pirate' notifications, and in some journal thus introducing the Sansha backstory, along with handy practical tips such as they're vulnerable to EM/Thermal, would go a long way to bringing the canon in-game unobtrusively.
Originally by: Lusulpher
Also, this chronicle ask the question who gets to judge who about conflict? There are victims on both sides, and no real 'justice' to be seen. Everyone is merely trying to shoot each other to bits, they don't care "why" after everything is said and done.
In essence, TotalHellDeathAllTheTime.
Whilst I agree that the question is asked, I disagree with the conclusion you draw. Everyone has a motivation for what they do. Very few humans simply go out and slaughter thousands/millions of people without a good reason, be it a cause, for profit, for survival, and so on. Equally very few humans, even desensitised, will never question what they do to other humans and why. If I were to guess, it would be that the distance, both figurative and physical, between capsuleers and the rest of humanity means that capsuleers do tend to view the remainder as convenient pawns. Nonetheless, we're all still human, and still have the same basic emotional states, capacity for mercy, compassion, and drive to survive etc. Whether & how we apply them is of course a different question, but I think the "why" remains important. Indeed the capsuleer interrogating the crew-member appears to agree.
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My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Environmental Effects
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.26 16:30:00 -
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Those blueprints from the old CCP website have been popular. Had a few emails asking if I still send them out, yes I can. Everyone who sent me an email as of this Sunday should have had a replay. If not check your junk mail box.
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Sylvas Dashon
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Posted - 2009.04.26 18:27:00 -
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I'd love it if the game kept count of my kills in terms of not just ships but actual bodycounts. Knowing that 1M people have died by my hand would be interesting. KNowing my stupidity has gotten 10K people killed would also be interesting. Finally, keeping tallies of whether space objects are populated or not and just how many people I'm killing when I shoot at a housing facility would make me think twice.
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Zargyl
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.04.27 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Irulan S'Dijana
Also, makes me feel a little better for not shooting random civ structures 
The same goes for me as well! A chronicle to think about!
Further comments about it can be read in my blog post about it 
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2009.04.27 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
It still surprises me that despite years of development, EVE's canon is still virtually invisible in-game. We don't even have a single intro of a pod being loaded into a ship anywhere (which is what I proposed when the new less appealing intro came out on the test server). A single cinematic of pod & crew in-game would dispel more myths about how EVE pods & ships work than all the canon currently written.
Quoting this to emphasise it to abraxas and others from CCP who may read it. It has to be worked into the game for most people to see it. You need to bring in the pod being loaded into the ship, not just disappearing. You need to bring in the escape pods for crew being jettisoned. Otherwise people will never get the backstory because they dont read it. Videos have a higher circulation so thats a good start but only the game itself has 100% penetration among players.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.27 22:46:00 -
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good read
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Ace2001
Caldari
Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2009.04.28 05:05:00 -
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I have a question: Are the EVE Chronicles written by devs?
My friend swears up and down that they're fan made/written, and I tried to link him to the last 'End of the World' Chronicle, and all he had to say was that it was just that one chronicle, and that they're mostly/largely all written by fans. D:
So, I tried searching, but failed to come up with any fool-proof evidence for either. x_x
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.28 06:18:00 -
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A lot of Chronicles do appear to be written by fans and a lot by CCP as well. It's not clear if all of them are cannon or not. Like the Eon Chronicles.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.04.28 07:20:00 -
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Only a Minority of the Chronicles are Fan-Written.
Hands of a Killer, Crystal Boulevard and Cold Wind are the only Fan-Written ones, if I recall this right.
All chronicles after Cold Wind, were written by CCP Staff members.
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Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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CCP Abraxas
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Posted - 2009.04.28 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ace2001
I have a question: Are the EVE Chronicles written by devs?
My friend swears up and down that they're fan made/written, and I tried to link him to the last 'End of the World' Chronicle, and all he had to say was that it was just that one chronicle, and that they're mostly/largely all written by fans. D:
So, I tried searching, but failed to come up with any fool-proof evidence for either. x_x
I've been the official chronicle writer for the last 2 1/2 years. With the exception of "Eye for an Eye" (fan submission that was already in the pipeline when I started; I can't recall who sent it in), "Kameiras" (CCP Ginger), "World on Fire" (me and CCP t0nyG) and "Silent Furies", "The Better Part of Valor", "Masks of Authority", "Tomorrow a Dream" and "Chained to the Sky" (all by CCP Gnauton), I've written every chronicle from "The Greatest Joke" up until the present.
And lest someone suggest that we should start accepting chronicles by fans: It's a nice idea that crops up every now and then, and we may well do it some day, but there are several reasons we aren't doing it right now, and the players have several venues open to them, including EON Magazine and several player-run online publications. 
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Abraxas
Cites for all of these, please. We're working hard on canon fixes and I don't intend to introduce new ones by mistake,
At work so I cannot confirm but Yin Osamu said the Chronicle I am thinking about about is "Biomass", EON #4.
Marine HK4861 said ôThe bit I remember is that the pilot took control of the fire control crew to achieve a lock on the target and when he left, it rendered the crew exhausted and drained.ö
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Mariona Starglow
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.28 14:40:00 -
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Hi, I'm new to EVE and new to the Chronicles - this is a fabulous read. I'm just deciding whether to read some more or log into the game. 
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Jimmy Duce
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Posted - 2009.04.28 16:52:00 -
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Do both and listen to when your mining lazors turn off.
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Ryan Harr
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Posted - 2009.04.30 04:18:00 -
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dear ccp game master:
i have a question, i invite my buddies for an exclusive 21-day trial and he already become an EVE Online subscriber.so the system show me that Active subscriber, 30 days added to your account 2009/4/25 16:22:00 .but why do i not receive the free 30d game time ? what is wrong whit the system? please help me ! i use the ccp support system and i great my petition,but After five days I have not received any information for my petition so i want kown how tracking my petition. i have a petition ID.please help me !
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Jimmy Duce
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Posted - 2009.04.30 18:49:00 -
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Hopefully the powers that be will contact you soon, but on the left you can click "Account Management" and double check when you are currently subscribed until.
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Graelyn
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.02 07:42:00 -
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Great Chron. Seriously. Excellent work.
I wish it had come out back when there was a big RP community.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.05.03 17:44:00 -
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Abraxas what happened to the Gallante election? Shouldnt it have finished by now? Yet the campaigns never started. The voteing never took place. The people should be up in arms. Could you imagine the US skipping an election.
What happend to all the opposition campaigns. Are Senator Eman Autrech or Senator Mentas Blaque running this time?
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Ethidium Bromide
Amarr
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.04 16:02:00 -
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oh i only just read up on this one and dare i say it is one fo the best?
very dark, two morales coliding and each one a killer for the wrong reasons.
great work! i really loved it
Originally by: CCP Prism X
1: "Just train Astrometric Quadilaterationcybbacrypph"
2: "MY MOTHER WAS A SAINT!"
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Jimmy Duce
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Posted - 2009.05.05 02:02:00 -
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If this was your first one you definately want to go back about 2 months ago and go over the End of worlds series that lead up to the current expansion
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Magello Fernada
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Posted - 2009.05.12 18:14:00 -
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Right fantastic read, really top notch stuff.
I especially like the crewman's take on capsuleers. It's a little disturbing how hated and feared capsuleers really are in EVE, looked upon with fear and awe at our might, hatred and anger at how we use it.
And bringing up an issue from before, what with the slave drops and all, I'm just wondering about what they really are. I can go out and purchase tourists in station. What do I do with them, other than sell them? They're tourists. I'm paying for them to tour about? Why? Are they nothing more than slaves? Crewman aboard my vessel? A delectable combination of high protein meat and low quality clothing? What was I saying.
Right. What? Yeah, that's it.
My point is that it's very... Odd how people are represented in this game. It's hard to care about the people in game when they're bought and sold like so many heads of cattle. Why not destroy that civilian mining colony? Are there truly people onboard? And if there are... What of it?
Deliberate? Perhaps. Perhaps CCP does it to make us feel as gods- Gods of old, mighty and uncaring of the lesser mortals cowering at our feet, worthy only of our attention when they amuse us, and our wrath when they displease us.
Murderers, destroyers, angry gods. Thousands upon thousands of innocents dead at our hands.
So the true question is: Why doesn't it affect our security rating?
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ellena allente
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: ellena allente on 20/07/2009 18:04:16
Great Chronicle
I've been way of with my crew size estimations. I had previously imagined that Battleships being controlled by a Capsuleer had a crew of about one to two hundred (as opposed to the six thousand in this chronicle). I also thought that with a non Capsuleer in control, the crew was about one to two thousand. I also assumed there were escape pods for the crew, and now I know that I don't see them because they go off radar immediately.
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2009.07.22 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cyberman Mastermind on 22/07/2009 14:10:25
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
As for the rest of the backstory, I always felt we lacked reasons & methods to identify with the EVE world around us.
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A properly tailored EVE equivalent to WAR's Tome of Knowledge with 'you have encountered a Sansha pirate' notifications, and in some journal thus introducing the Sansha backstory, along with handy practical tips such as they're vulnerable to EM/Thermal, would go a long way to bringing the canon in-game unobtrusively.
The methods are there, but they've been removed from the loot tables.
Ship logs.
Some of them tell short stories(about blood raiders "processing" captured people for example - and a mention not to forget the biomass containers this time).
Most were used to locate fixed deadspaces, I think.
There was/is a mission where you'd find 2 datapads containing some information about the history of a corp I think. I think it was a completely fictional corp, though. Or perhaps not used anymore.
[ edit ]Also, very nice story. High time I read up on them. |
CaldariAdam
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Posted - 2009.09.06 10:11:00 -
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This story gives us lots of insight into the lives of those who support our ships every time we are out in space. Good read.
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