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Efrim Black
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.04.22 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: The Monkeysphere Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 22/04/2009 16:45:12 Supporting this. It needs to be on the front page so that people would read Drake Draconis' posts.
Replying to this, to point out that out of the 26 current supports, about 17-18 of them are almost certainly alts and corp mates.
This is pathetic.
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The Monkeysphere
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:06:00 -
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I am not a corp mate nor am I alt, are you claiming that I am part of sniggerdly?
This is further proof that you infidels are much too inferior to be taken seriously in very serious matters such as game and password balance. It is obvious that those who are actually competent (such as members of Pandemic Legion) must take the matter in their own hands. |
Efrim Black
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Efrim Black on 22/04/2009 17:14:29
Originally by: The Monkeysphere It is obvious that those who are actually competent (such as members of Pandemic Legion) must take the matter in their own hands.
Pandemic Legion - Finally an appropriate name for an alliance.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 22/04/2009 17:32:02
Originally by: Efrim Black
Originally by: The Monkeysphere Edited by: The Monkeysphere on 22/04/2009 16:45:12 Supporting this. It needs to be on the front page so that people would read Drake Draconis' posts.
Replying to this, to point out that out of the 26 current supports, about 17-18 of them are almost certainly alts and corp mates.
This is pathetic.
well to be honest I ran out of alts on the first page. i dont know if those other chars are alts or not or whos they are exactly, but thanks to ccp's forum system they still count the same!
Originally by: Efrim Black
You guys have the combined humor of a 5 year old.
You should enlighten us on the proper way to have a sense of humor. go on, tell a joke or something. i promise ill laugh~
anyways so far the only real rebuttals ive seen so far are:
-people who dont know about password security deserve to get hacked -me and everyone else is going to raise a huge fuss and petition everything if this goes through(because lost password forums are hard to fill out) -the OP is dumb and wrong and i know because i work at geek squad. -we in the past CSM already failed to solve the issue so dont bother wasting our time, havent you been paying attention mazz??!! -i like to hack people
and alternatives offered: -warning popup on login instead of mandatory password change -minimum password security requirmeent instead of mandatory password change
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Efrim Black
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
-the OP is dumb and wrong and i know because i work at geek squad.
was that all?
That about sums up this entire thread. Plenty of people who know what they are talking about and run servers have told you that your proposed idea is pointless and/or stupid. You just ignore them for some reason. |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Efrim Black
Originally by: mazzilliu
-the OP is dumb and wrong and i know because i work at geek squad.
was that all?
That about sums up this entire thread. Plenty of people who know what they are talking about and run servers have told you that your proposed idea is pointless and/or stupid. You just ignore them for some reason.
wait i run servers too |
Efrim Black
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Efrim Black
Originally by: mazzilliu
-the OP is dumb and wrong and i know because i work at geek squad.
was that all?
That about sums up this entire thread. Plenty of people who know what they are talking about and run servers have told you that your proposed idea is pointless and/or stupid. You just ignore them for some reason.
wait i run servers too
Well then I guess we have to go majority rule? Lets see how many more supports you can scrounge up for this sinking ship. |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.22 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: mazzilliu on 22/04/2009 17:46:55
Originally by: Efrim Black
Well then I guess we have to go majority rule? Lets see how many more supports you can scrounge up for this sinking ship.
you know, on the whole i am actually pretty glad that the only people who seem to be supporting me are people that would do so anyways, and just about everyone else has this sort of carefree/hostile attitude about this sort of thing, especially when they "run servers".
which servers exactly do youall run and whats their addresses~
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Carin K
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.22 18:05:00 -
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I "run servers", therefore am immediately superior to anybody who doesn't and thus my opinion or vote counts for more
Hello I am Efrin Black
~ In other :nesw: I wholly support this however I believe the prescribed notion of passwords only being accepted with a mandatory secure level should also be added into this proposal
Oh and CCP should also do hell-purges of passwords forcing you to change at irregular intervals as long as they have a working and user-friendly password recovery system ~ which automatically resets their password to a scrambled 12 character one (which they have the option to keep)
Another *final* thing, perhaps a function to allow one to save their password so they don't have to enter it each time (as long as this doesn't produce any security issues other than somebody actually *taking* your computer - which is pretty unavoidable itself anyway)
PS: I love mazz and she has promised me nudes If i post here backing her up ^^so this is what I am doing, y0 x
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shuckstar
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2009.04.22 20:37:00 -
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Tobruk
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.04.23 04:09:00 -
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confirming that i am an alt and that i too run servers and never have mandatory passowrdchanges ever. ----------------------------------------------
Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
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Passero mus
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.04.23 05:30:00 -
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To be honest, i don't think this is a good idea. I don't know the numbers, but perhaps CCP can tell us, if they want... How many accounts get hacked on a montly base? How many of those account have been doing bad stuff? Buying ISK, using macros they get from a site that uses the account info to hack and things like that. I believe most of the those people who get hacked is because of their own stupid fault.
I don't think you have to bother over 90% of the userbase with a problem caused by 10% players who don't follow the EULA. Offcourse the 90/10 range is a guess...
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Jalair Mukhali
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Jalair Mukhali on 30/04/2009 23:54:35 What's the big deal? So you have to change your password every so often - cry more.
Supported.
There's some epic PL hate going on here, it's pretty obvious, and it's a lot more pathetic than a bunch of alt support. Account security is a serious issue, above and beyond whatever is going on in 0.0. Grow up, haters.
Edit: forgot the thumbs up.
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Joakim Ansgar
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:55:00 -
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Sounds like a good idea.
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Louanne Barros
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:57:00 -
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Good idea. I need to change my password more.
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Nahal Ebadi
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:57:00 -
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I, too, support account security.
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Sovereign533
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.05.01 03:18:00 -
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oh HELL no, i always get ****ing ****ed about unimportant and useless websites/games/whatever forcing password changes. if it doesn't directly involve my rl money and or income, then i don't really give a **** about passwords.
i hate password templates just as much. if i want a simple password, it means i don't give a **** if it gets guessed.
just like lavista thingie earlier, i change my passwords regulary. but damnit, don't force it...
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.05.01 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sovereign533
i always get ****ing ****ed about unimportant and useless websites/games/whatever forcing password changes. if it doesn't directly involve my rl money and or income, then i don't really give a **** about passwords.
But didn't you hear?
The Pandemic Legion guys are suggesting that internet spaceships is serious business.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.01 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 01/05/2009 05:54:36 'Hackers' get the passes from eve accounts either by key loggers or because the user is stupid and told them (or someone else somewhere) their pass. Against both a difficult pass with numbers wont help much. Difficult passes are usefull when someone can bruteforce the pass (or even more with dictionary attack), but i think ccp will notice when someone tries to bruteforce your pass. ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.05.01 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 01/05/2009 05:54:36 'Hackers' get the passes from eve accounts either by key loggers or because the user is stupid and told them (or someone else somewhere) their pass. Against both a difficult pass with numbers wont help much. Difficult passes are usefull when someone can bruteforce the pass (or even more with dictionary attack), but i think ccp will notice when someone tries to bruteforce your pass.
Or from hacked third-party forums.
But that's why you should never use the same username on eve-o.
Nobody knows my username. Hence, they would have to figure out my username AND password.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.05.01 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 01/05/2009 05:54:36 'Hackers' get the passes from eve accounts either by key loggers or because the user is stupid and told them (or someone else somewhere) their pass. Against both a difficult pass with numbers wont help much. Difficult passes are usefull when someone can bruteforce the pass (or even more with dictionary attack), but i think ccp will notice when someone tries to bruteforce your pass.
Or from hacked third-party forums.
But that's why you should never use the same username on eve-o.
Nobody knows my username. Hence, they would have to figure out my username AND password.
That's because your exercising common sense.
This proposal is like telling CCP to outlaw scamming.
It's not there fault you gave your password away. Which is why its pointless to force changes.... who gives a damn if you change your password.
You'd have to change it 50 some odd times a day to make it worth while..and that's insane.
If you really where that bloody worried... you would issue a smart card/key with a randomized decryption/encryption algorithm that would transmit your account information.
God help you if you lose the damn thing... and all that over a ####ing game?
And they call me crazy!
It IS a video game right? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM! |
Lauren DeVinnie
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Posted - 2009.05.01 10:26:00 -
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Number of Passwords/PINS I need to remember in real life or for work (not for entertainment) - over 15
Number of those that make me change my password frequently - 6
Chances that I am going to start changing my entertainment passwords frequently and try to remember them because some internet company that I give money to decides that I am too stupid to protect my password to my internet spaceship - 0
/Not Supported/
And to save me time, count this post as 6 opposed and pretend my 5 alts logged on too
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.05.01 11:57:00 -
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1. Most of the time even if there's a password being changed etc. Keyloggers are going to bypass all that.
The issue is that people give away their account details and such. It's the most moronic thing ever.
People go away from the game for awhile... so they give their friends the account details. They come back to the game and get their account back in good condition. They dont bother changing the password. They do something moronic... **** everyone off. They log him in and basically lead them into being screwed up badly. etc etc.
That's what happens with all these "hacked accounts" ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
That's what happens with all these "hacked accounts"
no, it's not. what happens is outlined in post #32 of this thread in about the middle. most of you don't even understand how the mass attack on accounts works, or just how many people this attack really works on.(hint: there are no mass trojans deployed just to steal eve accounts. it just doesn't make sense, they would not be bothering with game accounts if they had credit card details)
anyways, i'm probably going to re-word this idea to just be a popup warning when a password is a certain age, or an e-mailed warning to active accounts with an old enough password, because i dont think ccp would implement something that could potentially get people to lock themselves out of their accounts.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.05.01 20:06:00 -
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So Jason Edwards is smarter than Miss Alt Posts Alot?
Wow.... who woulda thunk it. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM! |
Xipheas
Evolving Strategies
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Posted - 2009.05.17 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Xipheas on 17/05/2009 17:53:08 Not supported, because I don't want to have to remember yet another automatic/forced password change like the five at work (like someone else said). I would, however, support your updated idea of some form of notification to change it every few months, so I could do it on my own terms.
But seriously, Drake, less :words: and less :rage:. Thanks in advance.
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Foxxy Lady
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.17 19:48:00 -
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I cannot support this. I am in the military and and they have mandatory password changes and VERY complex password requirements. 9/10 people write their password down and the 10th uses a silly common scheme.
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Zostera
Honour Bound Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:04:00 -
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Supported in general principle that password security is poor.
Perhaps add a reminder to the login screen once a month with a suggestion and tips on good password security. Perhaps even with a link to an advice page like we get with patch notes etc.
A reminder wouldn't hurt while leaving it open to player choice.
Zos
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Sumnamna
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Posted - 2009.05.30 10:00:00 -
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I disagree with the whole concept, If you can't remember to change your password then it's your fault if someone hacks your account and steals from you. Why do we need more people telling us what to do?
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111010110
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Posted - 2009.05.30 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 01/05/2009 05:54:36 'Hackers' get the passes from eve accounts either by key loggers or because the user is stupid and told them (or someone else somewhere) their pass. Against both a difficult pass with numbers wont help much. Difficult passes are usefull when someone can bruteforce the pass (or even more with dictionary attack), but i think ccp will notice when someone tries to bruteforce your pass.
Or from hacked third-party forums.
But that's why you should never use the same username on eve-o.
Nobody knows my username. Hence, they would have to figure out my username AND password.
Now it makes sense why some of the character traders bug each other for account names passed on in character sales. Interesting, that's a can of worms.
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