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Lumy
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.05.30 17:59:00 -
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Hell No!
Mandatory password changes won't help anybody. If you get infected by key logger, even changing password every other day will not save you. Also having insanely difficult passwords usually lead people to have them stored in browser, written in text file or (in better case) on paper. So overall effect is none bar annoying people.
You cannot protect people from their own stupidity. Best you can do is to inform them as much as possible. So give new players in account creation screen:
1) password strength checker (but not force, just warn)
2) guideline how to create strong password
3) random password generator
4) huge red text with warning sign telling them to use unique user name and password
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010110111001
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Posted - 2009.05.31 00:43:00 -
[92]
Edited by: 010110111001 on 31/05/2009 00:44:21
Not supported.
It's not CCPs responsability to hold people's hands or get them to grow up. Keep in mind EVE's development is one of trends, open this can of worm and it'll open the door for a range of confirmation tracks over time. No thanks.
A nice reminder paired with account subscription timer would do fine.
You have 9 days remaining on your addiction, and your password is 6 years old.
Still, maybe it is sometimes a little bit their job to help people grow up, going over a number of posts here makes me a tad fearful for this CSM round. If this is how cases will be tackled ... far from good.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2009.05.31 03:52:00 -
[93]
Forced passwords, especially those that don't let you set passwords you've used in the past result in weaker and weaker passwords as the users have more and more trouble remembering what they've changed it to.
My password is fine, if yours is easy or you use the same pass at other sites then that's your problem.
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Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:09:00 -
[94]
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, puts me more off a game or service than forcing me to change passwords or a specific password standard.
I don't want to suffer because others are too stupid/lazy/greedy to look after themselves.
No sign
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RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.05.31 11:27:00 -
[95]
People also need to exercise better judgment in choice of PW.
11 letter alpha numeric case sensitive with an enforced change every month should prevent a lot of the current issues.
 Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I don't sleep.
I am always here.
Watching.
Waiting.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
it does get progressively longer.
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Lunewraith
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.31 12:29:00 -
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Oh god, not more passwords. It really would infuriate me to have to change them constantly on all my accounts with each having a different password (presently at four). Maybe CCP could send a mailing reminder to change your password biannually with a link to the account management page. Hardware dongles/authenticators seem to work for another MMO, I have friends very happy with Blizz's authenticator.
I wouldn't be opposed to the idea that if passwords are not changed say annually, that a small administrative fee could be charged for account recovery.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.05.31 15:55:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Heartstone on 31/05/2009 15:55:29
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
My password is fine, if yours is easy or you use the same pass at other sites then that's your problem.
This to be honest.
I can't believe this is the first thing you raise as CSM Mazz 
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2009.05.31 15:58:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Heartstone
Edited by: Heartstone on 31/05/2009 15:55:29
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
My password is fine, if yours is easy or you use the same pass at other sites then that's your problem.
This to be honest.
I can't believe this is the first thing you raise as CSM Mazz
if you knew me better you would have been surprised it was only second or maybe third issue i posted 
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU. |
Twilight Magester
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Posted - 2009.06.17 07:21:00 -
[99]
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Maxsim Goratiev
Imperial Tau Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.17 08:15:00 -
[100]
For not letting people pick stupid passwords: Yes.
For forcing them to constantly change passwords: No
Hm... |
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.06.17 12:13:00 -
[101]
Originally by: mazzilliu
MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
Frankly, good idea or not, I'm not supporting a damned thing sponsored by anyone that thinks they can impose change on me. Quit being an arrogant twit and maybe we can talk.
Not about this though, because it's a bad idea - irritating paying customers is never the path to financial success. |
Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.17 16:59:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 17/06/2009 16:59:45
Not signed.
Or it is mandatory to add an option in the EVE Account Management to opt-out of it if wanted.
I already use some ****ing password like A^fqMVr^%;``dpEvj. So complex that I use a macro to type them, but at least this avoid any clever player to try to break it from his computer (Or good luck. My login is also not a standard one ^^).
Of course, this password is used only here. Maybe the login is used in one another game, but with a different password.
So I, and all others players with a paranoid security politic, don't have to be annoyed by any unrequested mandatory change. |
Kaylan Jahlar
Minmatar Industrial Limited
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Posted - 2009.06.17 17:11:00 -
[103]
This would be a logical thing to do in order to improve account security.
I support this, although it would be best to have a physical key much like the Blizzard Authenticator now in use by many World of Warcraft players. You can't beat that kind of security. |
Syrr Northrope
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Posted - 2009.06.17 22:33:00 -
[104]
No point in it. If you get hacked that's your fault.
I personally have never been hacked, thats because I use random alpha numeric passwords and change them on my own, when I feel like it.
I find being forced to change my password on someone elses timing to be more then annoying, I find it to be pointless and serving no purpose.
Account security is you responability. So step up and take care of it yourself.
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Hashin Kyojin
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Posted - 2009.06.18 00:58:00 -
[105]
supported
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Xasz
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.06.18 07:18:00 -
[106]
Apparently most of the rejections here fall into the category of "users should be 100% responsible for their own passwords and should not receive any help at all to improve their security"
Supported.
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Clansworth
Farstrider Industries
MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.06.18 10:25:00 -
[107]
I can't stand forced password rotation in real life, and I certainly don't want it in my game time. I do feel my eve account information is important, and as such, use a strong password that is not used anywhere else. That is enough.
Definitely NOT supported... Hating that it was even brought up...
Intel/Nomad |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:37:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Xasz
Apparently most of the rejections here fall into the category of "users should be 100% responsible for their own passwords and should not receive any help at all to improve their security"
Supported.
Originally by: Xasz
Apparently most of the rejections here fall into the category of "users should be 100% responsible for their own passwords and should not receive any help at all to improve their security"
Supported.
The simple fact is that, even if you get help to improve your security, YOU are still 100% responsible for your own account. You, you, YOU. Nothing CCP, or anyone else for that matter, can do will prevent from doing stupid crap with your password. YOU have to be responsible for your own internet security.
Here's a fun scenario for you - and trust me, it happens more than you think - CCP forces EVE account password change. "Damn", says stoopid luser 1, who changes password, and then immediately goes to every website he uses that username and password at and changes them all there, so he doesn't have to remember more than one. Which is normally why they used the same one in the first place.
You're not adding security, you're adding the illusion of security.
--Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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Syringe
Oedipus Complex
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:42:00 -
[109]
Purely from a Customer Service standpoint, CCP would have WAY more problems to deal with by implementing this than not. You're putting an awful lot of faith in people to be able to figure this system out, whereas in my experience I work with boatloads of people who make more money than me who on a good day might be able to turn their computers on.
This is a game and CCP seems pretty quick about fixing hacked accounts.
/not supported.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.06.18 14:47:00 -
[110]
Originally by: De'Veldrin
Originally by: Xasz
Apparently most of the rejections here fall into the category of "users should be 100% responsible for their own passwords and should not receive any help at all to improve their security"
Supported.
Originally by: Xasz
Apparently most of the rejections here fall into the category of "users should be 100% responsible for their own passwords and should not receive any help at all to improve their security"
Supported.
The simple fact is that, even if you get help to improve your security, YOU are still 100% responsible for your own account. You, you, YOU. Nothing CCP, or anyone else for that matter, can do will prevent from doing stupid crap with your password. YOU have to be responsible for your own internet security.
Here's a fun scenario for you - and trust me, it happens more than you think - CCP forces EVE account password change. "Damn", says stoopid luser 1, who changes password, and then immediately goes to every website he uses that username and password at and changes them all there, so he doesn't have to remember more than one. Which is normally why they used the same one in the first place.
You're not adding security, you're adding the illusion of security.
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Sky Marshal
IMpAct Corp
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.18 15:46:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Sky Marshal on 18/06/2009 15:47:22
Also, 2 years ago, players could save the password in EVE, so they could use a long password and different than others games, as you didn't have to use it all the time.
CCP removed it to increase security. Indeed, some idiots forgot to not check it at work and some others things...
As you have to retype the password all the time, this incitate to use short, easy passwords who can be typed fastly.
By removing this feature, CCP reduced the security. |
Van'Klomp
FireStar Inc
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.06.18 20:12:00 -
[112]
For forcing people to use a sufficiently complex password, I would support this. Forcing me to change the password? No thanks.
I am bright enough to use different passwords for different purposes, never re-using the same password for two different sites. I am also bright enough to use passwords containing more than one of each of the following;
1) uppercase letters
2) lowercase letters
3) numbers
4) symbols (like hash, pound, star, etc)
What I do fully support is further education of the EVE community so they know what the risks are, and how to deal with them. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.06.19 00:09:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Van'Klomp
For forcing people to use a sufficiently complex password, I would support this. Forcing me to change the password? No thanks.
I am bright enough to use different passwords for different purposes, never re-using the same password for two different sites. I am also bright enough to use passwords containing more than one of each of the following;
1) uppercase letters
2) lowercase letters
3) numbers
4) symbols (like hash, pound, star, etc)
What I do fully support is further education of the EVE community so they know what the risks are, and how to deal with them.
Yay! Someone who gets it!
--Vel
Experience is what you get right after you need it.
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mazzilliu
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Posted - 2009.06.19 02:32:00 -
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idea has been modified and stuck with another account security idea- see this thread and dont bother commenting here anymore
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1101546
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