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Eveloution
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:32:00 -
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Sound is derived from the sound propagating as compression waves through the plasma/hydrogen medium of the early universe some 100 to 700 thousand years after the initial Big Bang. The density of this medium was changing as the universe expanded, but should have been considerably more dense than air on our little planet. One does NOT need air to have sound, only some medium in which compression/rarefaction waves can propagate. 
The link for sound in space and the theory The sounds of space
So yes eve has sound and so does space !!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:37:00 -
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well duh it doesn't need air, its just needs some sort of medium, most of space is a vacuum so their is no sound in the truly empty parts, but in parts such as nebula there will be noise
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:39:00 -
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Bull-pucky! Empty headed idiots can still hear, ergo you don't need a medium for sound to propagate.
Call me when you have something useful to share. Such as the propagation of comprehension and understanding in a crowd.
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Brachis
Caldari
Eve Liberation Force
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:55:00 -
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Two things:
1. "Theory" is an important word, and I think you should learn what it means. A theory is not a fact, or a law. You are drawing a conclusion, presented as a fact, based on something that is not a fact. This is a mockery of science (Don't feel bad, though; well paid theoretical scientists do the same thing all the time).
2. The site which you linked to (Grateful Dead... what?) may have gone out of the way to explain some theory, but in actuality, the method that those gentlemen use to create "space sounds" are not related to compression waves. They use spectral analysis of light waves to create proxy sounds that could be considered similar to what the object might sound like, were it actually being heard through a transmission medium.
It's an interesting theory, but doesn't apply in this situation, and shouldn't be used to explain phenomena which already have a "Word-of-God" explanation from the developers.
Nice try.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.21 22:58:00 -
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You know, I read a few good books by Allastair Reynolds which played with the concept of space's 'vacuum'.
The way the author presented it (which was different than anything I'd considered, causing me to remember it), is that space is MOSTLY vacuum. Sure it's got particles, but they are often so spread out that they don't relate.
HOWEVER, when you start reaching far higher speeds (I'm not sure if this was just sub-lightspeed or not), ships began running into those particles at a much higher rate.
In those books, this was used to explain why ships all followed a certain design ethic, or all looked the same (much like submarines, essentially). Since flying at such high speeds meant you were running into all those spread out particles, you actually have to have a ship that can cut through them, like a ship through the sea, and can't just fly around in a cube or whatnot (inefficient).
Course, I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with the op, but it came to mind ...
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But Sects
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Posted - 2009.04.21 23:19:00 -
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ITT: People wielding their giant ePeens of science knowledge.
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.21 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: But Sects
ITT: People wielding their giant ePeens of science knowledge.
"Ruze thwacks you with giant sci-fi ePeen."
Hmm. Something remotely hentai about that ....
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.04.21 23:24:00 -
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LOLz the OP didnt even understand what he explained.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Nemiah
Gallente
Golden Apples of the Sun DSIM Branch
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Posted - 2009.04.22 00:10:00 -
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AHEM!
Read this Eve chronical to find out why there is sound in space in the eve universe. VERY cleverly explained....
http://www.eveonline.com/races/wetgrave/?pp=background,stories
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Scyala
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Posted - 2009.04.22 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Brachis
Two things:
1. "Theory" is an important word, and I think you should learn what it means. A theory is not a fact, or a law. You are drawing a conclusion, presented as a fact, based on something that is not a fact. This is a mockery of science (Don't feel bad, though; well paid theoretical scientists do the same thing all the time).
Our fundemental principles of science are 'just theory'. The partical theory that says we are made up of tiny little particals that are bonded through forces of nature and magnetics is just a theory because it has not been able to be proven. Even then the theory has changed and improved on over time but it's still not a FACT/LAW.
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Nemiah
Gallente
Golden Apples of the Sun DSIM Branch
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Posted - 2009.04.22 00:14:00 -
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SPOILER: the following is an exerpt from the story mentioned above, depicting the part about why EVE has sound, even in space....
Then, all of a sudden, a bright light filled his eyes and a sound like rushing wind filled his ears. After few seconds the light dimmed down and Pirkotan was able to see, but everything became deadly quiet. And what he saw made his stomach somersault. He was looking at the Okarioni from the outside! It was as if he was floating in space maybe 100 meters from the ship.
"Can you hear me?" a voice said. It was Anu. Pirkotan tried instinctively to speak, but his mouth was again filled with the fluid and only a strangled croak emerged. 'Hello?' he thought.
"Hello, lieutenant Pirkotan," Anu said. "We can hear you. The communication link in this demonstration capsule is automatically open, normally you control whether it's open or closed. We are monitoring your progress. Can you see the ship?"
"Yes," Pirkotan replied, simply by thinking about it. "Yes, I can see the ship. But whose eyes am I seeing through?"
"You're viewing the ship through a camera drone. Think about moving. Try to move to the right. See what happens."
Pirkotan thought about this and was delighted to find the camera move according to his wishes. He swooped alongside the ship, spinning the camera in circles and zooming it out, all with a mere thought. Pirkotan noticed that no matter how he turned the camera, the ship always stayed in the middle of his vision. As he got more accustomed to this new sensation he could feel his surroundings much better. In fact, if he concentrated he could feel Okarioni, like he and the ship were one; he felt the engines purr in his belly, he felt the electrodes bounce on his skin, he felt the crew crawl around inside him. The feeling was exhilarating.
After a while Anu's voice came back: "You're doing very well. Now we are going to activate the audio synthesizers."
"Audio synthesizers? What do you mean?" Pirkotan thought.
"As you know there is no sound in space, but when we were developing the capsules we found that people wanted to use as many of their senses as possible, thus we added the sound. By letting a computer create three dimensional sound we also add to the awareness you have while in battles, for instance."
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.04.22 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
LOLz the OP didnt even understand what he explained.
This. Its easy enough for OP to say "sound can travel through anything, so if space is not empty then it can travel", but instead he copied and pasted some techno babble.
TBH I look forward to knowing what nebulas sound like. |
Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:22:00 -
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You need a medium for sound..just like sound can travel through water, it needs something to travel through. Since space is mostly empty, there's not much top travel through.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:28:00 -
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If nebulae were dense enough to transmit sound your ship would look like a ball of fire as it flew through them.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2009.04.22 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowGod56
well duh it doesn't need air, its just needs some sort of medium, most of space is a vacuum so their is no sound in the truly empty parts, but in parts such as nebula there will be noise
The particle density of a nebula tends to be about 1000 atoms per cubic centimetre. While that may seem like a lot compared to "normal" space, it is still considered "vacuum". (A nebula is about 100,000,000,000,000,000 times less dense than air.) Such a vacuum will not transmit sound energy in any meaningful way as the molecules are simply too far apart.
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.04.22 02:35:00 -
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Minus the part where there's a vacuum between all the nebula material/particles.....
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.04.22 02:47:00 -
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EVE has sound? What? |
Connen
Gallente
4 wing
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.04.22 03:00:00 -
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What if you have a large a small or god-forbid an x-large?? Can you still have sound then?
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Clay Orpheus
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Posted - 2009.04.22 03:21:00 -
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God... so much fail in this thread...
Sound doesn't happen in space because there is no medium through which it can propagate. The OP seems to think that the million-degree background conditions which obtained for a few hundred millenia after the Big Bang still do obtain, even though this would likely result in the immediate annihilation of all life, not to mention making space travel rather difficult.  |
Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.22 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Clay Orpheus
God... so much fail in this thread...
Sound doesn't happen in space because there is no medium through which it can propagate. The OP seems to think that the million-degree background conditions which obtained for a few hundred millenia after the Big Bang still do obtain, even though this would likely result in the immediate annihilation of all life, not to mention making space travel rather difficult.
Yes there is, its called Hydrogen. Hydrogen is ****ing everywhere. It's very low pressure, but it's still there. |
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.22 03:52:00 -
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The way we hear sound is through the vibrations of our eardrums. In an atmosphere our eardrums are vibrated by air particles bumping into it. But anything that causes a movement of our eardrum will be perceived as sound.
Most fictional spaceships have warp engines, which would indicate that they warp space. In Star Trek they have "ripples in the space time continuium". These ripples could distort our eardrums in a way that a sound would be perceived.
Or if the equally fictional gravity waves did exist then they might also be another mechanism that could distort the eardrum and so cause a sound to be perceived.
All this is of course twaddle, but it is how I have rationalised the sound that spaceships are heard to make in the movies. |
Presidio
Minmatar
ZipZoom Kaboom
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:19:00 -
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There is an article that explains the sound we get. Simulated by the pod subsystem or something. |
Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2009.04.22 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Yes there is, its called Hydrogen. Hydrogen is ****ing everywhere. It's very low pressure, but it's still there.
It's still there, yes, but the density is not just "low" it's below 1 molecule per cubic centimetre. That is orders of magnitude too low to transmit sounds, the molecules are simply too far apart.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.22 05:48:00 -
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You must've found the medium in your arse where you stuck your head to find your sources |
Y Berion
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.22 06:10:00 -
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Edited by: Y Berion on 22/04/2009 06:11:55
Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
You know, I read a few good books by Allastair Reynolds which played with the concept of space's 'vacuum'.
The way the author presented it (which was different than anything I'd considered, causing me to remember it), is that space is MOSTLY vacuum. Sure it's got particles, but they are often so spread out that they don't relate.
HOWEVER, when you start reaching far higher speeds (I'm not sure if this was just sub-lightspeed or not), ships began running into those particles at a much higher rate.
In those books, this was used to explain why ships all followed a certain design ethic, or all looked the same (much like submarines, essentially). Since flying at such high speeds meant you were running into all those spread out particles, you actually have to have a ship that can cut through them, like a ship through the sea, and can't just fly around in a cube or whatnot (inefficient).
Course, I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with the op, but it came to mind ...
Interesting, yet I think that -when moving VERY fast- only the ship's shape would not help much with those high energy particles, it would be probably burnt in seconds. One of the hypothetical solutions I`ve heard of is - first to use lasers to strip electrons from interstellar hydrogen atoms laying ahead of the ship (so getting electrically charged particles instead), and then to use strong magnetic field and repel them away from the ship. Or something like that heh
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Fat Buddah
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Posted - 2009.04.22 07:13:00 -
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I hear voices....
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Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 07:17:00 -
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Did you know that Whales sing underwater?
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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.04.22 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: ShadowGod56
well duh it doesn't need air, its just needs some sort of medium, most of space is a vacuum so their is no sound in the truly empty parts, but in parts such as nebula there will be noise
The particle density of a nebula tends to be about 1000 atoms per cubic centimetre. While that may seem like a lot compared to "normal" space, it is still considered "vacuum". (A nebula is about 100,000,000,000,000,000 times less dense than air.) Such a vacuum will not transmit sound energy in any meaningful way as the molecules are simply too far apart.
Interesting. |
Joe
Umbra Legion
Shadow Empire.
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Posted - 2009.04.22 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
The particle density of a nebula tends to be about 1000 atoms per cubic centimetre. While that may seem like a lot compared to "normal" space, it is still considered "vacuum". (A nebula is about 100,000,000,000,000,000 times less dense than air.) Such a vacuum will not transmit sound energy in any meaningful way as the molecules are simply too far apart.
Could you Just use a Larger speaker cone to move more matter?
Check out my 100ft Woofer! doof doof doof......
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.04.22 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: ShadowGod56
well duh it doesn't need air, its just needs some sort of medium, most of space is a vacuum so their is no sound in the truly empty parts, but in parts such as nebula there will be noise
The particle density of a nebula tends to be about 1000 atoms per cubic centimetre. While that may seem like a lot compared to "normal" space, it is still considered "vacuum". (A nebula is about 100,000,000,000,000,000 times less dense than air.) Such a vacuum will not transmit sound energy in any meaningful way as the molecules are simply too far apart.
what if i buy those gold plated Monster cables? will that help? |
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