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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
142
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:00:00 -
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Except thats not what CCP is saying...
http://youtu.be/ATviAvGK1ik
11:50 a slide shows up "You should be 'pretty safe' in high sec"
eh honestly, I DONT like that. I DO agree with the trolls that scream you shouldnt be safe anywhere. "Safe" leads to AFK mining. Leads to the dark side lol
But seriously. Part of the thing I DO LIKE about this game is that I CAN DIE anywhere.
Thia is why I NEVER Tank my Hulk on my main. I do my research and feel safe enough when mining but I should never ACTUALLY BE safe imo.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1135
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:05:00 -
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I think they mean that you should be pretty aware when you're doing something what would put you to a increased risk in hi sec. IE getting your ship flagged for combat even you quite didn't want that to happen while sitting in your elite combatnoctis.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4080
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:06:00 -
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I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.
That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel.
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
938
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:08:00 -
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Andski wrote:I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.
That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game.
I'm assuming (well, hoping) they also mean the average player should be safe as long as they aren't AFK.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
786
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:14:00 -
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Andski wrote: or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game.
STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus.
The Rorqual.....now THAT's high end.
"Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:24:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Andski wrote:I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.
That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game. I'm assuming (well, hoping) they also mean the average player should be safe as long as they aren't AFK.
Me too cause ACTUALLY making it safer would be me deciding whether I wanna stay in an increasingly carebear friendly game or say **** it and join goons to punish them
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1
Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:25:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus.
hey look, tears
Good job mittens
er andski
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1
Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4084
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:31:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Andski wrote: or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game. STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus. The Rorqual.....now THAT's high end.
yeah the rorqual is a mighty mining ship, what with its capability to field 5 mining drones
also 30k ehp is nothing to sneeze at, stop botting and expecting to be safe
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Duvida
The Scope
Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:40:00 -
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I hear that I'm not safe anywhere... I'm not even safe when I dock. Nor when I log off. Nor when I unsub! (aren't there goons working for CCP? They KNOW where I live!!!) 
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
142
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:41:00 -
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Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Andski wrote: or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game. STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus. The Rorqual.....now THAT's high end. yeah the rorqual is a mighty mining ship, what with its capability to field 5 mining drones also 30k ehp is nothing to sneeze at, stop botting and expecting to be safe
kinda the point i was making... youre not safe. ever. get over it or go play WoW
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Dapud
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Posted - 2012.05.06 17:44:00 -
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It's just like irl, last summer me and my two cousins and some friend were drinking vodka and watching T.V. and one of them got up to refill his drink and refused to refill anyone else's so when he walked to the kitchen his brother followed him and slit his throat with a pear knife. We buried him in the back yard and then my dog shat on the grave site which was not planned. |
reamau
27
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:02:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
"You should be 'pretty safe' in high sec"
eh honestly, I DONT like that..
There are many things that you won't like in life, might wanna start getting used to it.
Fact is, CCP is a business and has to cater to many different playstyles and skill levels in order to keep subscriptions. Not every decision will be made based on what some players want, but rather on what CCP considers the good of the game.
From a number of posts, it appears that they are putting a bigger than ever effort to shield rookies and other players that may not want to engage in PVP, and my guess is this is directly related to keeping/gaining subscriptions.
I personally think they are taking the wrong tactic to go about it- they should minimize the rewards instead of artificial protections. If you want to make real money mining, you should have to go to the less developed areas. If you want to be safe, there just won't be much profit for the amount of time it takes.
Examples- make ice in hi-sec less available. Thin the hi-sec asteroid belts down a lot- the higher the sec, the less rocks.
In return, there needs to be some kinda mechanism for solo mining in dangerous areas, but thats really much bigger discussion.
As far as the whole AFK issue, its really a botting issue. Other games have fought a lot harder against automated playing, and until recently is almost seemed that CCP was saying "don't ask, don't tell". If CCP is serious about stopping botting there are many things they could do. Hell, maybe they are, and we just haven't seen it yet.
300,000 pages of code. Or 60 minutes of triple-X rubber-and-leather bondage porno. Technology can be used for beauty, or debasement. And until you plug it in, you'll just never know.
[Puts the CD-ROM in the drive] |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
598
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:11:00 -
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Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Andski wrote: or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game. STOP calling something with the structure of a paper bag 'High End". Jesus. The Rorqual.....now THAT's high end. yeah the rorqual is a mighty mining ship, what with its capability to field 5 mining drones also 30k ehp is nothing to sneeze at, stop botting and expecting to be safe
Acutal mining supercaps instead of "industrial command" ship, thanks.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:23:00 -
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reamau wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
"You should be 'pretty safe' in high sec"
eh honestly, I DONT like that..
There are many things that you won't like in life, might wanna start getting used to it. Fact is, CCP is a business and has to cater to many different playstyles and skill levels in order to keep subscriptions. Not every decision will be made based on what some players want, but rather on what CCP considers the good of the game. From a number of posts, it appears that they are putting a bigger than ever effort to shield rookies and other players that may not want to engage in PVP, and my guess is this is directly related to keeping/gaining subscriptions. I personally think they are taking the wrong tactic to go about it- they should minimize the rewards instead of artificial protections. If you want to make real money mining, you should have to go to the less developed areas. If you want to be safe, there just won't be much profit for the amount of time it takes. Examples- make ice in hi-sec less available. Thin the hi-sec asteroid belts down a lot- the higher the sec, the less rocks. In return, there needs to be some kinda mechanism for solo mining in dangerous areas, but thats really much bigger discussion. As far as the whole AFK issue, its really a botting issue. Other games have fought a lot harder against automated playing, and until recently is almost seemed that CCP was saying "don't ask, don't tell". If CCP is serious about stopping botting there are many things they could do. Hell, maybe they are, and we just haven't seen it yet.
IF they ever try to make high sec safe theyll be spending the rest of the life of the game with the goons breaking it. If they dont just leave.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1
Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
786
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:30:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Good job mittens
Post with your Main if you are gonna suck up to your idiot Leader in public. What a disgraceyou are to CFC.
"Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
786
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:31:00 -
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Andski wrote:
also 30k ehp is nothing to sneeze at, stop botting and expecting to be safe
Get some sleep. Your insanity is creeping out of it's cage.
"Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
786
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:32:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
IF they ever try to make high sec safe theyll be spending the rest of the life of the game with the goons breaking it. If they dont just leave.
boy. Wouldn't THAT be the day.
"Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Xander Riggs
EVE University
Ivy League
202
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:35:00 -
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Alexander Noir was here. Your stations offer no safety.
"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1509
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:37:00 -
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Death to AFK.
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:37:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Good job mittens
Post with your Main if you are gonna suck up to your idiot Leader in public. What a disgraceyou are to CFC.
this is my main O.o
My posting main
my actual main is in a 3 man highsec industry corp that prefers NOT to be wardecced to death so no thx
lol you think IM a GOON
Thats pretty funny.... man the paranoia's getting pretty bad... theres gotta be a way to see my posting history here
look at my posting history and then see if you dont at least a little bit embarrassed
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1
Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
495
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:37:00 -
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You should never be safe at all - No matter where you happen to be.
Okay, fixed. I feel better.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
786
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:42:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Post with your Main if you are gonna suck up to your idiot Leader in public. What a disgraceyou are to CFC.
this is my main O.o My posting main my actual main is in a 3 man highsec industry corp that prefers NOT to be wardecced to death so no thx
Sounds like you want the game to be easy too.
It is indeed full of cowards as of late. People scared to TYPE WORDS WITH THEIR MAINS and only type the "TRUTH" when unwilling to defenit for real. Good god..............
"Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Whitehound
251
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:42:00 -
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SORRY, BUT I CANNOT HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUNDS OF EXPLODING HULKS!?!
WHATEVER YOUR PROBLEM IS, DID YOU TRY TO HARDEN UP OR THOUGHT ABOUT QUITTING THE GAME?
OR YOU CAN START A WHINE THREAD ON THE FORUMS, THOUGH I DOUBT IT WILL HELP.
SORRY FOR ALL THE CAPS, BUT IT IS REALLY LOUD HEAR. TOO MANY EXPLODING HULKS...
No more crappy expansions!-á-á Raise A Little Hell"20 percent of CCP staff fired." - CEO Hilmar-á-á No more crappy layoffs! |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
Thundering Herd
786
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:44:00 -
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Anybody seen The L0ck yet today ? NOW he's way overdue.
"Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.05.06 18:46:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Post with your Main if you are gonna suck up to your idiot Leader in public. What a disgraceyou are to CFC.
this is my main O.o My posting main my actual main is in a 3 man highsec industry corp that prefers NOT to be wardecced to death so no thx Sounds like you want the game to be easy too. It is indeed full of cowards as of late. People scared to TYPE WORDS WITH THEIR MAINS and only type the "TRUTH" when unwilling to defenit for real. Good god..............
Dude youre thick as ****... how would I be wanting it safer JUST CAUSE in a TINY PLAYER CORP in highsec... Thats HARDER and is gonna get even harder after the new wardec when it costs a rat bounty in null to wardec corps of out size.
AND I agree with OP cause that how it SHOULD BE IN THIS Game. Itd be boring as hell otherwise
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1
Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:23:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Andski wrote:I think what they're implying is that an average player should be relatively safe in hisec.
That average player is most certainly not somebody flying a pimp-fit mission boat, a loaded hauler, or a particular high-end mining vessel. Or completely inattentive to what's going on in the game. I'm assuming (well, hoping) they also mean the average player should be safe as long as they aren't AFK. Me too cause ACTUALLY making it safer would be me deciding whether I wanna stay in an increasingly carebear friendly game or say **** it and join goons to punish them
If you want to get some, go out side and tear it up son! Oh wait, you're a carebear in RL so EVE is the only place you're got left to live out your fantasy of being on the other end.
/sadface4u
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
720
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:39:00 -
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It's moot. This carebear thing is going to dry up after the wardec change. They are going to mass in a few oft-deced alliances which eventually disband, and either join NPC corps straight away or later on. In the meantime eve will balance itself out, finally. I'm reading some carebear rage right now but in the end things will be as they should be. I don't care about going after NPC corp people in highsec anyway. The tax they pay and the diminishing returns they get will starve their wallets and they won't have any good loot to drop after a while anyway. Being in an NPC corp is no way to play the game unless you are new... and if you are new you have so much on your plate a little increase in relative safety seems fair. If CCP really wanted to put a fine point on it they would divvy all the NPC corps into their sponsor factions and allow faction warfare people to kill them. It's the highsec research facilities and tax-free trading and logistics corps raking it in that chaps my a**.
It's a good time to be a capsuleer.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
513
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:46:00 -
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Greyscale is clearly in favour of coating highsec in even more layers of bubble wrap, to the point where even the most abject retards won't be able to hurt themselves on the sharp edges or hard corners no matter how hard they bang their heads into them.
That's really not what I'm into. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
720
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:54:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Greyscale is clearly in favour of coating highsec in even more layers of bubble wrap, to the point where even the most abject retards won't be able to hurt themselves on the sharp edges or hard corners no matter how hard they bang their heads into them.
That's really not what I'm into.
How do you figure that? I've been pouring over the Crimewatch and Wardec mechanics changes and all signs point to a lot of explosions and a ton of new ways to make that happen! There is going to be a lot of surprise *******. There's a lot of isk to be made out there from shooting for a change. Mercs are going to really come into their own on this thing too. I've actually thought of several reasons to hire mercs to do some of my heavy lifting for me too... already started scouting out corps (I can't bring the firepower to bear on my own). The only nerf (maybe) is to suicide ganking, and even then the concept of suicide ganking has been so narrowly defined in the non-thinking goons they don't realize that there are lots of ways to do it still. I'm sure their higher-ups will train as needed though. Suicide ganking isn't going anywhere. Empire is just opening up to other nefarious types that don't like to loose ships when killing empire dwellers.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
513
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Posted - 2012.05.06 19:56:00 -
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Are you even remotely aware of what the changes actually are? Because I'm going to go ahead and say that you aren't. |
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