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Delta Gutter	Posted - 2009.04.25 06:37:00 - [1] Well like every game Eve needs more players to make more profit. More profit more time to make it a better game. But if you like more people to join you must make rules people can understand. Don't shoot people down during missions by concord if they made a mistake If you don't want players to do actions you don't want just block it. Or you must have a strange mind to have fun to blow them to pieces with your concord fleet.
Sinistra Diablos Gallente ORECORE 0REC0RE	Posted - 2009.04.25 06:43:00 - [2] Unless you have disabled the warning messages... Concord tells you if you do a no-no. If you choose to disable warning messages, then you chose to ignore Concords attempts to warn you that your action is something they take exception to. ~S
Delta Gutter	Posted - 2009.04.25 06:47:00 - [3] Sent - 4/24/2009 8:01:00 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Delta Gutter, Thank you for contacting customer support. I checked the logs and it seems your loss was due to Combat assistance towards Minmatar Republic. Whether this was intentional or not I cannot say, it unfortunately falls under normal game play as far as we can see. Thus we cannot reimburse in this case but we wish you better luck in the future as well as a speedy recovery. Best Regards, GM Vitas EVE Online Customer Support
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.25 06:49:00 - [4] CCP wants more players? Make a more consistent game. Too many inconsistencies in this game that are utter bull. Granted, you will always have the EVE addict that will always finance Eve regardless of how crappy it gets. That eventually will be EVE's only player base.
Naim Stargazer Unity Thru Aggression Unity Thru Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.25 06:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Neo Omni Granted, you will always have the EVE addict that will always finance Eve regardless of how crappy it gets. That eventually will be EVE's only player base. I think you have it the wrong way around. EVE started off fairly broken, and only the addicts financed the game. Since then its subscriber base has steadily grown. While not WoW levels, it has remained a fairly steady growth which is a lot more than can be said for other MMO's which have burnt out during this time. If the trends continue, then 'eventually' it will be a fairly sizable playerbase. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.25 06:57:00 - [6] No. The devs should not try to prevent you from being stupid. Let you touch the light socket and shock yourself. Maybe you'll wise up and not do it again. Maybe you won't. But if your still sitting here wondering why fire is hot, you probably won't. On the other topic, where does this myth that 'more customers' means 'better game' come from? CCP already produces more content updates and massive overhauls of EvE than Blizzard does WoW. One has half a million customers, the other 11+ million. You can't simply hire more developers and make more content. At a certain point, you start having devs working over one another, and quality significantly decreases. Think of it as a 'stacking penalty'. Blizzard is pocketing all that extra money. And it doesn't even really make the company bigger, just the wallet of the corporate bosses. More customers doesn't make WoW a better game, but it does give an exec a new car. See the difference? More profit makes for a happier CCP, but as companies have proved again and again over the ages, it often equals a significant decrease in the product offered. You don't want the company you support to be driven by greed. You want them to be driven by a love for the product they produce. You don't want the mindset of 'more customers is better', but the mindset of 'if we produce a product that is as good as we think it is, players will come'. THAT, however, means that the devs have to stick with their original vision ... a cold, harsh universe of bitter realities, and a simulation of space on a truly epic scale. You can't keep that dream, and appeal to the wishy-washy weak-minded masses at the same time. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.25 07:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Naim Stargazer Originally by: Neo Omni Granted, you will always have the EVE addict that will always finance Eve regardless of how crappy it gets. That eventually will be EVE's only player base. I think you have it the wrong way around. EVE started off fairly broken, and only the addicts financed the game. Since then its subscriber base has steadily grown. While not WoW levels, it has remained a fairly steady growth which is a lot more than can be said for other MMO's which have burnt out during this time. If the trends continue, then 'eventually' it will be a fairly sizable playerbase. The bitter truth is that many gamers DONT want EvE to be successful. They want to see it fail. Because it completely contradicts what they have been taught and trained to believe ... that PvE gamers are the only beings in the universe worth appealing to. EvE proves that a game based almost exclusively on the premise of player versus player can be successful. EvE is the vivid reality of what UO could have done, had it not changed. What many other games could have raised, had they not been so quick to settle for a larger, but more self-centered and hopelessly lazy playerbase. It's like a muslim mosque in a southern baptist town. It shakes the core belief of an entire gaming audience to the very quick. And CCP's had the balls to keep at it for six years now. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.25 07:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Delta Gutter Sent - 4/24/2009 8:01:00 AM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again one not reading the rules and posting GM stuff So you decided to remote rep the rats in a mission. Did you ever consider that there is a reason you first get a warning message? (99% sure you get one). --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Naim Stargazer Unity Thru Aggression Unity Thru Aggression.	Posted - 2009.04.25 07:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon The bitter truth is that many gamers DONT want EvE to be successful. They want to see it fail. Because it completely contradicts what they have been taught and trained to believe ... that PvE gamers are the only beings in the universe worth appealing to. Well this is side-tracking the thread a little, but its true. People get upset because of mechanics, or because they thought the game would be something else and its different to what they expected. Net result is that they post on the forums crying doom and gloom. Its hard to tell from any forums what the state of the game is. Every patch Blizzard have released is followed by cries that everyone is going to cancel their accounts, or a particular class is going to have nobody playing it. So far as I can tell, WoW now has 11mil subscribers. And the forums are _still_ full of tears. However, sometimes the crying is legit. Everyone predicted the downfall of SWG only one or two combat revamps in, and it did end up epicfailing. I dont see EVE befalling the same fate, however. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Glock Harkonnen	Posted - 2009.04.25 07:29:00 - [10] sounds more like an ID 10 T error to me.

Bonny Lee Caldari The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2009.04.25 07:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Neo Omni CCP wants more players? Make a more consistent game. Too many inconsistencies in this game that are utter bull. Granted, you will always have the EVE addict that will always finance Eve regardless of how crappy it gets. That eventually will be EVE's only player base. EvE is dying?
Ringleader	Posted - 2009.04.25 08:05:00 - [12] Edited by: Ringleader on 25/04/2009 08:05:45 1. You did something wrong and ignored a warning from concord, maybe now or maybe earlier in the game you possibly turn off the warning. I suggest you turn it on. 2. Quote: Don't shoot people down during missions by concord if they made a mistake So if you make a mistake you probably will learn. This game is alot of teaching if you make stupid mistakes and repeat it. Im sorry to burst your bubble but the rl world isnt nice either. The guy finishing last in a race isnt "the last winner", he is the biggest looser 3. If you would have read the rules you would know its not allowed to post gm answers on the forum.. so in before lock!
Bee Free	Posted - 2009.04.25 08:24:00 - [13] So y think rl is hard, well it is. But this is still a game, isn't. So make playble rules. And if you don't wan't something to happen, just block the option in game. That will safe players a lot off frustration. And CCP a lot off time to. Have fun fly safe, thats y motto DG alt
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.04.25 08:32:00 - [14] Edited by: Maria Kalista on 25/04/2009 08:32:53 I love this. I did it once, with a fuzzy head I placed a remote rep module on my mission ship and used it on a rat. Pop-up windows appears: 'are you sure yadayadaya'. Annoyed I quickly click it away and fire at the rat. Poof my uninsured just bought from my last iskies BS went. At least I learned from my own stupidity. Hope the OP does as well. If not, dear OP contract me your belongings, please. Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
Kazang Gallente Wrecking Shots	Posted - 2009.04.25 09:31:00 - [15] No this isn't wow, the game wont pat you on the back for being an idiot and failing. So maybe take the time to read the warning message next time hmm? Kazang
Bo Bojangles Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2009.04.25 09:33:00 - [16] This is why you leave hi sec space as soon as possible. Much too dangerous with those bloodthirsty Concord buckaroos hanging around just waiting for you to do one little thing wrong!
Crash Burn	Posted - 2009.04.25 09:47:00 - [17] For me one of the best bits of Eve is that it punishes people for either doing something stupid or just being stupid If you change this to much you destroy a major part of Eve
Mashie Saldana Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.04.25 09:52:00 - [18] Any particular reason why you thought repping an NPC was a good idea? Oh and your GM conversation is about to get nerfed.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.04.25 10:11:00 - [19] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/04/2009 10:11:30 Originally by: Delta Gutter Well like every game Eve needs more players to make more profit. More profit more time to make it a better game. But if you like more people to join you must make rules people can understand. Don't shoot people down during missions by concord if they made a mistake If you don't want players to do actions you don't want just block it. Or you must have a strange mind to have fun to blow them to pieces with your concord fleet. Actually, CCP makes more money on having people shoot each other unconditionally than conditionally! This because EVEs setting is unique in the realms of online gaming! I wonder: How many online games have come and gone really since EVE got its launch in 2003?? I dont know. But I do know many have withered and died. WoW is still growing I guess, but so is EVE! And EVE online is far older than WoW! So I think the safest way for EVE to ensure growth in playerbase is to keep to the way they have done for the six years since launch! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.04.25 10:45:00 - [20] I could write a lengthy response about how invisible barriers stopping you from performing an action ruins the RP aspect and free-form nature of EVE, but instead I'll use the tried and true: Go back to WoW, you stupid noob. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.

Uzume Ame	Posted - 2009.04.25 11:02:00 - [21] OP: No.
Joe Umbra Legion Shadow Empire.	Posted - 2009.04.25 11:17:00 - [22] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon No. The devs should not try to prevent you from being stupid. Let you touch the light socket and shock yourself. Maybe you'll wise up and not do it again... If life were like eve, before you died you'd have someone call out a warning, and you'd have to ignore them and say 'I dont want to hear that again'. Recruiting Amarr PVE Enthusiasts
Sibane	Posted - 2009.04.25 11:48:00 - [23] Once again, Darwin at work you decided to ignore the warning, "stuff" happened to you. What is the problem? And, as somebody else said, try 0.0. No warnings whatsoever there !
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.25 15:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Joe Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon No. The devs should not try to prevent you from being stupid. Let you touch the light socket and shock yourself. Maybe you'll wise up and not do it again... If life were like eve, before you died you'd have someone call out a warning, and you'd have to ignore them and say 'I dont want to hear that again'. Well, that someone is probably supposed to be your mom, at least in the early years Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2009.04.25 15:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Joe Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon No. The devs should not try to prevent you from being stupid. Let you touch the light socket and shock yourself. Maybe you'll wise up and not do it again... If life were like eve, before you died you'd have someone call out a warning, and you'd have to ignore them and say 'I dont want to hear that again'. Well, that someone is probably supposed to be your mom, at least in the early years One thing I liked about Freelancer is that you started out in a small patch of space made just for noobs. No PVP was allowed. It gave you a chance to get your bearings before venturing out to the wild. Maybe EVE should have the same.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.25 15:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Neo Omni Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Originally by: Joe Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon No. The devs should not try to prevent you from being stupid. Let you touch the light socket and shock yourself. Maybe you'll wise up and not do it again... If life were like eve, before you died you'd have someone call out a warning, and you'd have to ignore them and say 'I dont want to hear that again'. Well, that someone is probably supposed to be your mom, at least in the early years One thing I liked about Freelancer is that you started out in a small patch of space made just for noobs. No PVP was allowed. It gave you a chance to get your bearings before venturing out to the wild. Maybe EVE should have the same. It does. They just need to start kicking out the old players. In EvE, we used to call that 'noob patch' HISEC. Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Dracoknight	Posted - 2009.04.25 16:12:00 - [27] New players are pussies... Learn to play anything without cheats... Rawr!
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.04.25 16:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Dracoknight New players are pussies... Learn to play anything without cheats... Hahahahah ... Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Eskalin Minmatar Evolution KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.25 16:17:00 - [29] are you serious? like super serious? maybe even serial? if you are too dumb to watch out for manbearpig then you are probably too stupid to be playing this game. old timers are still mad that ccp has stupidafied the game so players like you can even grasp it. man up or quit. i don't want your stuff mine is better. If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Zydrine Zidane Amarr	Posted - 2009.04.25 17:17:00 - [30] Edited by: Zydrine Zidane on 25/04/2009 17:20:20 Edited by: Zydrine Zidane on 25/04/2009 17:19:27 What will bring EVE to more players and more players in EVE. ANOTHER SHARD!! Yes it requires balls of steel for CCP but many people want to break away from that static Universe. There is no meat for the little guy and CCP doesn't have to ** the portion of customer base that has grown to be afraid off, the old alliances/players, who don't even pay a subscription because they buy it with isk. Just make a NEW shard for NEW people. Hint: New People=People mostly paying with real cash. THAT WOULD BE FAIR!**



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