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Kenji Masao
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Posted - 2009.04.25 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kenji Masao on 25/04/2009 08:29:47 hey all, I'm facing a bit of a dilemma. i want to PvP, and my first thought was piracy, but piracy isn't especially profitable, and it relies heavily on easy targets in the area. and obviously, as a wanted criminal, you're travel options are limited.
Faction Warfare, however, seems to be more profitable, and have potentially more PvP involved. but it would still heavily limit travel through high-sec space (but not as much as piracy, i think.)
so i ask you, experienced and veteran players, which path in life should i choose?
thank you very much in advance.
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Leopold Caine
Amarr Ordo Nigrorum Susurri Ordo Magna
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Posted - 2009.04.25 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kenji Masao
Faction Warfare, however, seems to bet more profitable...
Hm, not quite. ________________________________________
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Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.25 08:57:00 -
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You can pirate in FW, you just have a bunch of don't-touch-blues...
FW tbh, ceptor fights at sentry range ftw. ---
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Parmenides Elea
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.04.25 09:47:00 -
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OK piracey limits you to low sec as each time you get pewpew your sec status tumbles. If you want to angage at gates (where most of the pewpew is found) you need to be able to tank your target AND the gate guns. On the plus side whatever target you find is yours to kill, there are no blues in piracey so all those indies afk autopiloting are a potential source of isk.
FW does not effect your standing UNLESS you plex (shooting the opposing factions navy) but you do have to deal with the opposing factions navy if you travel in their hi sec (easily ignorable by using a fast aligning ship like a frig hull etc). NO GATE GUN FIRE! Thats right FW allows even a 1 week old newb to engage a fw target at a gate in a t1 frig and never have to worry about tanking those gate guns. Isk is more difficult to obtain as loot quality varies alot. FW is an isk sink NOT a money spinner so if its isk you want forget FW, if its quality pvp in large ammounts without having to spend hours looking for a target then FW is what you are after.
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Ruckazuck
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Posted - 2009.04.25 10:57:00 -
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Yarrr is awesome but low sec has been dead, im about to give it up out of boredom. |
crockett EXE
Minmatar Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.04.25 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: crockett EXE on 25/04/2009 20:06:11 It's better to try FW first because it's easier to get the standings for it, than rebuild your -10 sec status. Once you get that -10 sec status you are pretty much trapped there or in 0.0 for anything other than quick runs here or there through high sec.
If you join the Minmi FW I've noticed we sometimes make runs through Providence which is just as good as pirating. As others have said you can pirate in FW, you just have to be more selective whom you shoot.
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Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.04.25 23:14:00 -
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I don't see your options as being mutually exclusive. Just don't pirate your own and the friendly militia and you should be fine.
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Wensley
Minmatar The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.04.30 14:32:00 -
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Faction warfare is effectively a free wardec and is a good chance to do some PvP without making the extreme lifestyle change that piracy requires. Personally I love piracy but if you want to dip your toe in without committing everything FW would probably be the better choice.
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.04.30 14:47:00 -
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I never tried FW but hear people saying it's fun. When it comes to piracy - I tried it and since then stick with it; I can wholeheartedly confirm that it's a lot of fun.
You could start with FW (not ruining your sec status) and if you don't like it, give piracy a try I'd say. The only risk you take is that you have to rat your sec status up when you don't like that either.
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.04.30 15:15:00 -
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Waaaait. if I join FW and don't plex, get some pew pew, then leave militia I will still be able to fly through enemy empire space? My corp leader told me that it is instant -10 standing forever if I had clicked that "join" button
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Orbit Uranus
Minmatar The Ninja Pirates Gang Bang Theory
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:24:00 -
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You can allways do both, i was in FW for Caldari as a -10 blinky for about 3 months. It's alot of fun, but as a blinky in FW you tend to get alot of friendly fire from clueless newbies and antipirate *******s who are supposed to be on your side
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Juliet SoulBurner
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Posted - 2009.04.30 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: DjLowballer Waaaait. if I join FW and don't plex, get some pew pew, then leave militia I will still be able to fly through enemy empire space? My corp leader told me that it is instant -10 standing forever if I had clicked that "join" button
100% NOT TRUE
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Corstaad
Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv
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Posted - 2009.04.30 22:14:00 -
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Do both, works out great if your flying small ships(scouting). Larger ships its kinda a problem because you'll sit at gates more and miss out on remote rep gangs.
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:20:00 -
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SO clear answer time;
If I join a faction warfare militia, do not plex at all, then quit a few weeks later, will I be allowed into the other races space
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crockett EXE
Minmatar Mutineers
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: crockett EXE on 30/04/2009 23:35:49
Originally by: DjLowballer SO clear answer time;
If I join a faction warfare militia, do not plex at all, then quit a few weeks later, will I be allowed into the other races space
It doesn't matter if you plex or not.. Once you leave FW, the only thing that will flag you as a global Criminal is your security status.
Your status with a faction has nothing to do with anything other than running missions or using station services once you are out of FW. When you are in FW you CAN still go into enemy space. However you will be chased by the Faction Navy which is totally different from Concord. They don't insta pop you or scram you. They just web and shoot you so you can easily get away.
It's very easy to navigate in enemy space, you just have to keep bouncing around. Once you are out of FW you have no worries unless you have low global security status from shooting neutrals. (ie piracy)
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Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: crockett EXE Edited by: crockett EXE on 30/04/2009 23:35:49
Originally by: DjLowballer SO clear answer time;
If I join a faction warfare militia, do not plex at all, then quit a few weeks later, will I be allowed into the other races space
It doesn't matter if you plex or not.. Once you leave FW, the only thing that will flag you as a global Criminal is your security status.
Your status with a faction has nothing to do with anything other than running missions or using station services once you are out of FW. When you are in FW you CAN still go into enemy space. However you will be chased by the Faction Navy which is totally different from Concord. They don't insta pop you or scram you. They just web and shoot you so you can easily get away.
It's very easy to navigate in enemy space, you just have to keep bouncing around. Once you are out of FW you have no worries unless you have low global security status from shooting neutrals. (ie piracy)
Not quite true. Shooting NPCs in plexes reduces your standing with that NPCs faction. Once your standings with that faction get low enough, the enemy military will shoot you in their high sec (though Concord won't). That lasts after you leave FW.
However, if you don't shoot any enemy NPCs, then yes, you can travel through enemy hi sec no problem.
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.04.30 23:58:00 -
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Ok that is what I am checking. I know I will not be flagged criminal, but I was scared to join FW because my Corp leader said : When you leave, you will never be able to fly through other empire space without getting attacked by faction navy because you will have super low standings.
If I can get in without that risk I will sign up tonight
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.01 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: DjLowballer Ok that is what I am checking. I know I will not be flagged criminal, but I was scared to join FW because my Corp leader said : When you leave, you will never be able to fly through other empire space without getting attacked by faction navy because you will have super low standings.
If I can get in without that risk I will sign up tonight
Absolutely. As long as you are not in a plex when the counter reaches 0, your long term standing will not change with any factions on iota. Don't be afraid of plexes, they are GREAT to find fights in. Just warp out when the counter is nearing the end. I had the same fear you do, and I am very careful with my standings. I will NOT allow my caldari standings to drop to permanent KOS.
Also, plexing (especially defensive), doesn't drop your standings too badly. anhk (the CSM member) once got to the max rank in the amarr militia and only lost 3 standing with minmatar. You can try out plexing, and when you gain a rank you don't lose *too* much standings. It's like a storyline mission, 50% loss to enemy faction, 100% gain to the one with the standing, and it can be negated by running storyline missions for the enemy faction.
Also, the number of plexes required to gain a rank seems to increase exponentially, so your standing gain/loss slows down the more you plex. So if you are in a great fight, you can definitely afford to stay in the plex to the end.
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Dictum Factum
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.01 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Parmenides Elea there are no blues in piracey
Quoted for lolz.
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DjLowballer
Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:28:00 -
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Just out of curiosity, what happens if>
I join Amarr FW and my corpmate joins Mimitar?
My corpmates join amarr but an alliance member passes us and is in mimitar?
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:48:00 -
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An entire corp can enter one militia if the average standing is high enough. A corp must leave its alliance to enter fw.
You can leave your corp to enter fw based just on your fw standings.
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Lord Zekk
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.01 13:53:00 -
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If you are in a player controlled corp you cannot join FW unless your corp does or you leave and join a FW corp, either NPC or player controlled.
As to the OP's question. This is the exact same question that considered before I joined FW. I was a couple of months old in Eve with a huge interest in PVP. Pirating looked like most appealing thing in a world. However my PVP experience and skills were limited at the time. I didn't have to much isk and not being allowed in to high sec was not an option. FW is a great place to develop your PVP skills and learning the FW mechanics will come in handy later coz a lot of your targets during your piracy career will be FW militia members. Plus there is no reason you can't do a bit of piracy while you're in FW.
Piracy is a lot harder to come back from once you hit that -10.0 Try Fw first.
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Grim Asse
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Posted - 2009.05.02 00:31:00 -
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Well - I have been to 0.0 and back (lived there for 3 years) - now I am a member of a militia corp and I think it's great - I live in lowsec, have a couple of blues I can rely upon and get a huge wardec for free.
I don't give a damn about sov and plexing as it's totally meaningless, but having lots of targets without having to tank sentry guns and taking a sec status hit is just great!
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Mystafyre
Caldari Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.02 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kenji Masao Edited by: Kenji Masao on 25/04/2009 08:29:47 hey all, I'm facing a bit of a dilemma. i want to PvP, and my first thought was piracy, but piracy isn't especially profitable, and it relies heavily on easy targets in the area. and obviously, as a wanted criminal, you're travel options are limited.
Faction Warfare, however, seems to be more profitable, and have potentially more PvP involved. but it would still heavily limit travel through high-sec space (but not as much as piracy, i think.)
so i ask you, experienced and veteran players, which path in life should i choose?
thank you very much in advance.
I recently turned as pirate and I just say go for it. No political bull****, lot's of fun. Just roam around, search for perfect gank
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Johnny Gurkha
Maleficus Cruentus Interfeci
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Posted - 2009.05.02 08:17:00 -
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I pirate, partake in FW and roam in 0.0 when I want to fix the sec a little from pirating... why limit your targets? (just a shame FW has blues )
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