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Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.29 15:18:00 - [1] No goons have been in any fleet fights against IRC/ED. You will note on your own killboard that they have all been single target kills using HACs, Recons, 'dictors and such. No capitals have been deployed against IRC/ED, so to suggest we are at war with you is inaccurate.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.30 02:24:00 - [2] Originally by: Hexor V Assisting the ops, fleets, funding, basically anything assisting "invasion" = "part" of war. I don't recall anyone claiming goons have deployed a mass cap fleet to assault IRC/ED. To say goons aren't involved, well.. Lawl. This is incorrect. We are not at war with IRC/ED as was implied in the ISD article and at various points in this thread. IRC/ED knows what GS being at war entails when we helped haul your ass out of the fire vs SMASHKILL. We have not deployed captials. We have not deployed any sort of fleet whatsoever. Ergo we are not at war. Is BlackOps in the area making trouble for you? Certainly, that's what they do and they're quite good at it. But that is the equivalent of a Lobby Op in Syndicate, a chance for opportunity kills.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.30 07:41:00 - [3] Originally by: Hexor V Now I'm only taking the time to respond to the goon posts because they seem like more than just your average attempt to troll, but seriously where is the common sense? If alliance A and B are at war, and alliance C assists B and attacks A, that means C is, might I put in big letters for you, ASSISTING alliance B. That means your helping in the invasion of alliance A amirite? Yes, I am. FFS read my posts, reaaaaaaaad them and see I've not once declared goons have deployed capitals nor has anyone declared goons have sent in the massive blobwarfare. Your "BlackOps" haven't cause me any issues as of yet, but I am merely stating what I witness, and what I have is Goons "involvement" in this particular .. war. The ISD article was vague as it should be and it did not mention anything about goon capitals. Get over it, we see what you did thar. I think you need to reread my own posts. If we do not deploy capitals we are not at war. You readily admit we did not deploy capitals, therefore we are not at war. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Do I need to break it down further, use smaller words perhaps? That is my point of contention here. We are not at war with IRC/ED. War for GoonSwarm involves capital ships, POS deployment and a myriad of other things which clearly have not happened. War for every other spaceholding alliance involves similar investments in hardware. If those strategic assets are NOT being deployed it is not a war. Just because a handful of us visit Syndicate and shoot the hell out of people there does not mean we are at war with the people in Syndicate. Just because a handful of us visit your space and shoot you because you keep running your mouth doesn't mean we're at war with you either. I am fully aware that you have not stated we deployed capitals. IRC has stated, however, that they are at war with us. Citing the points I wrote above (and previously) I am demonstrating that we are not at war, that the claim by IRC/ED that we are is false, and you're trying to paint yourself as some sort of victim. Which you are a victim, of your own hubris away. However that's a different discussion altogether.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.30 20:03:00 - [4] Edited by: Venomire on 30/04/2009 20:04:31 Alliances hold space at the behest of others. If you lack allies you will soon lack space. This maxim applies to a large range of subjects, not just internet spaceships (obviously some of the phrasing must change but the core concept is sound.) Take the "NAPfest" and other ****ed e-honor concepts like K/D ratios and "good fights" back to Empire where they belong. You play to win in 0.0 and hamstringing yourself with space bushido is a fatal error. Edit: Originally by:** Virum Acuedalla Heh, verbal pugilism ftw! I see your point here because technically goons aren't at war with IRC/ED. There's been no verbal declaration nor have the goons sent massive support to RA in the conflict that I'm aware of in terms of troop deployment. A few ships here and there so that pilots can have fun in pvp =/= at war as one of your compatriots stated. I also understand that you're splitting hairs. You're speaking to the article and simply stating that you aren't at war with IRC, but you also haven't stated that you have had no involvement either. Either way, some seem to view the little involvement that goons have had as a possible indication that if things go south for RA that you will become involved. I would also content that Goonswarm had a huge impact on the initial stages of the conflict and would definitely get their hands dirty if RA started getting rolled. Right? Wrong? Right.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.30 21:27:00 - [5] Vague? I am using precise language along with a specific set of parameters and you call me vague. I do not think the word means what you think it means.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.30 22:39:00 - [6] The context of your statement is rather vague and can be interpreted in a way you did not intend. Or perhaps you do intend for it to be interpreted the way it was so you could respond with a (rather poor) troll. Such is the result of using imprecise language. Being vague servers no purpose, other then obfuscating facts. Why are you so determined to suggest that GoonSwarm is at war with you? What do you hope to gain by making this assertion? Strategic assistance from RKZ, -A- and company, perhaps? We have made it abundantly clear that we did not and do not approve of your actions, both at the alliance level through diplomatic channels and the individual level from posters such as myself. A substantial amount of hardware was lifted from IRC. A handful of goons are riding bikes in your space. These are merely expressions of our displeasure. The relationship between GS and IRC/ED was, very likely, permanently damaged through your alliance's actions. We wanted RA with XIX in Tenerifis, your war has been equated to "**** goons." Of course we support the war being prosecuted against you. You have no idea how many of us want to siege your space directly, and only hope we can finish up at home so we can drop the hammer on you. All that aside, we are not at war with you. We're hostile, yes, but at this point there is no time to actively campaign against you. We're busy. On a personal note I believe you're trolling.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.03 03:49:00 - [7] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Call me foolish... Foolish.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.03 04:47:00 - [8] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Originally by: Venomire Originally by: 128th ABC123 Call me foolish... Foolish. Sylph Alliance... Some alliance in Providence. What's that have to do with the price of ISK in China?
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.03 16:00:00 - [9] You don't **** with RA.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.04 23:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Hexor V Oh now I'm so mixed and confused since goonies and RA make fun of things like that. What will I ever do. Lose your space.

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