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Smog890 Minmatar Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2009.04.26 18:18:00 - [1] Heretic Nation: This is an official notice of Terms of Minmatar Militia space to Heretic Nation. These terms are subject to change without any prior notice from the Minmatar Militia. You must agree to these terms or the Minmatar Milita will either: a. Declare all out war on Heritic Nation b. Destroy one of your fleets and then declare war without notice The terms for use of Minmatar Space for Heretic Nation are: 1. Heretic Nation shall not shoot any Minmatar Militia pilots, ships, POS'es, cans, or any property of the Minmatar Militia. 2. Heretic Nation must replace ships or any property that you have destroyed on accident or purpose plus the cost of the insurance, mod's and rig's fit on the ship or POS. 3. Heretic Nation must not gate camp the Osoggur or even be on that gate with more than two people at a time. Heretic Nation must also not use those two people to sit on the gate and then warp a fleet in to destroy any ship coming through that gate from anywhere in the system. They must allow any and all ships, corporations, alliances, and Militias to fly through this gate untouched in Amamake. 3. Heretic Nation must kill/destroy 30 Amarr ships every 7 days. This was taken from the Heretic Nation Killboard. Since the Heretic Nation has been able to destroy 37 Minmatar ships in the past 6 days 30 Amarr ships should be no problem for Heretic Nation. 4. Heretic Nation must actively help the Minmatar Militia when assistance is needed or asked for. Heretic Nation must not turn down any request for help from the Minmatar Militia. 5. Heretic Nation also must apply all of the terms to the Gallente Militia when the Gallente Militia is in Minmatar Space. 6. If any Heretic Nation pilots/ships lock any Minmatar Militia that will be taken as a sign of aggression and the Minmatar Militia has a right to fire upon that pilot/ship but only the pilot/ship that has locked them and use any force necessary to eliminate that threat. The same applies for Heretic Nation when any Minmatar Militia locks one of there ships. 7. Heretic Nation is not allowed to use outside parties such as alts, corporations, alliances to engage/shoot Minmatar Militia in anyway. If any of these terms are broken the Minmatar Militia has the right to declare war with or without notice and engage any and all Heretic Nation members. If Heretic Nation does not agree to these terms they can: a. Leave Minmatar Militia space b. Declare war on Minmatar Militia c.Dissolve the Heretic Nation and leave peacefully to new corporations or alliances. ci. Everything is subject to change in these terms. Any Minmatar Militia member has the right to submit changes to these terms. To do so please send smog890 a mail in game with the changes/additions to these terms. -smog890
Ophey Won Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.04.26 18:25:00 - [2] hahahah. I surrender to the great Smog. lol. What a joke.
Frank Monkey Gallente Stevie Sparkle and the SuperSonic Love Commandoes	Posted - 2009.04.26 18:28:00 - [3] Not in my name. Heretics are pirates. Pirate activities are acceptable within the game dynamics. I agree that most pirates fail, but these comments are not in my name. If Heretics have a counter set of proposals I offer myself as a neutral conduit between Militia and Heretics. Since loved by neither, but at least respected I can be of use in negotiating something of benefit to both parties. Smog has baggage, I don't. Frank ...of Stevie Sparkle and the SuperSonic Love Commandoes
Smog890 Minmatar Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2009.04.26 18:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Frank Monkey Not in my name. Smog has baggage, I don't. Frank ...of Stevie Sparkle and the SuperSonic Love Commandoes I'm so not fat!
Frank Monkey Gallente Stevie Sparkle and the SuperSonic Love Commandoes	Posted - 2009.04.26 18:38:00 - [5] He must be the only thin American then... Lies!
Nur AlHuda Amarr Callide Vulpis	Posted - 2009.04.26 19:44:00 - [6] I dont see that Heretics would comply with this as they are pirates they need targets and as most of the amarr militia is active in different TZ then Heretics they would be out of target except occasional kills. So its for them to shoot minnies which are more active at that time. The blue status from Heretics to minmatar militia means that minnies become pets in their home systems and it will be a green card for piracy, So any corp supporting Heretics becomes in a way a pirate corp too.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.04.26 20:01:00 - [7] To butcher an old saying, "If you want to make Mirrorgod laugh, tell him your terms."
Blood Opiate	Posted - 2009.04.26 20:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Aria Jenneth To butcher an old saying, "If you want to make Mirrorgod laugh, tell him your terms." I'm not so sure he's laughing right now. His plans seem to be going down the toilet. There is only one reason a pirate corp seeks so many blues, to be able to establish themselves and grow in size without endangering their operations. Heretic Nation is not anywhere big enough to fight the entire Minmatar Militia and their supporters, hence why Mirrorgod tried to get so many blues in the first place. He has used this status to build up a name for himself, promote himself in Galnet and other dubious forums of discussion. Attract new members to his Alliance. Therefore becoming a force that can then turn on all those blues and create far more targets for himself and his alliance. Clever little plan, sadly the fact that he is now being called out on his obvious intent and lies may well have put a damper on said plans. Heretics in it's current state is easily dispatched with, if all the blues unite against him. With any luck my Minmatar brothers and sisters have woken up in time. It's time we stood up and took back our own systems. Mirrorgod is worse than the Amarr in damaging the Minmatar cause. As seen from Heretics destruction of a Minmatar fleet last night (a fleet I was in) and the killing of his own blue's in that fleet. He may well have managed to manipulate people into believing his intentions are genuine, but as more and more evidence comes to light proving otherwise, his time in Amamake may be very short lived. There is only so far you can push people before they start to retaliate. The Minmatar Militia managed to clear out those systems when Faction War began, and BEES and other pirate corps in the area were easily taken care of when the Minmatar united and removed them. Heretics are not even half the numbers BEES etc were. History has a way of repeating itself, some would say....
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.04.26 21:40:00 - [9] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 26/04/2009 21:42:02 Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 26/04/2009 21:40:55 Originally by: Blood Opiate Heretics in it's current state is easily dispatched with, if all the blues unite against him. If this is as you say, Mirrorgod deserves whatever destruction you can wreak upon him. If, on the other hand, the Heretics are clever, you'll find yourselves punching shadows. Lowsec space has some interesting rules of war, pilot. One of these is "no bubbles," which makes conflict against small or stealthy targets difficult. If they know how, and I have no reason to believe they do not, the Heretic forces will evade yours and engage only on their own terms. Now, you suggest that you're spoiling some plan for expansion. Perhaps that's true, and well done if so. But if Mirrorgod is playing a recruitment game, he can play it nearly as well by a successful campaign against you, now. Good luck, pilot. Mirrorgod may or may not be actually laughing, but if I were in his place I'd be grinning my head off about now.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.27 01:35:00 - [10] Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 27/04/2009 01:35:20 Mirror god is an opportunist. Nothing more. If you blue a pirate corp fine, that's your business. When your standings begin to interfere with a military operation you've committed yourself to, there is the problem. If you join a gang your obligation is to that gang. If someone is fired on you defend them. When the minmatar militia realizes this they will be good to go, until then they will continue to be taken advantage of by Heretics. They divide you and then they conquer, they pick off your gang members and you let them. If you can't support a gang, don't join a gang. If you want to play Heretics game, go join them but don't hurt the militia by joining a gang you aren't prepared to defend.

Hoggs Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.27 01:55:00 - [11] Edited by: Hoggs on 27/04/2009 02:00:03 I'm afraid we won't be agreeing to such extreme terms. Such would completely ruin our business, and distract us from our current goals. However, if you have something a little more reasonable, I'm all ears. Originally by: Blood Opiate It's time we stood up and took back our own systems. I don't mean to ruin your fun, but historically Amamake has always been a pirate system. It was only recently that the militia forces decided to move in.
MirrorGod Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.27 03:41:00 - [12] I am amused.
Smog890 Minmatar Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2009.04.27 03:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Hoggs Edited by: Hoggs on 27/04/2009 02:00:03 Originally by: Blood Opiate It's time we stood up and took back our own systems. I don't mean to ruin your fun, but historically Amamake has always been a pirate system. It was only recently that the militia forces decided to move in. I dont usually post back on these topics of mine until I read a scrap of bull **** like that lol. I have been in the militia now for 9 months plus and the minmatar militia has clamed amamake has their home system/area before that. You heretics I kicked out once you left and then came back a few months later while Minmatar still used amamake as there system. More lies I see everyone in heretic nation takes after their leader
BloodSoaked Goddess Amarr Samurai Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.27 04:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Hoggs Edited by: Hoggs on 27/04/2009 02:00:03 Originally by: Blood Opiate It's time we stood up and took back our own systems. I don't mean to ruin your fun, but historically Amamake has always been a pirate system. It was only recently that the militia forces decided to move in. lmaoo, you are so stupid you dont know your own corps history... funny that. Here's a history lesson for you. Before Heretics even went to Amamake TOXIN moved into Amamake and joined Minmatar Militia and cleared out the pirates that were living there. Heretics came in on the end of that and helped clean up the stragglers, with the help of the Minmatar Militia who had more numbers than Heretics did. You would have known this had you ever participated in your corps history other than post crap on the forums and run their data records. Its shameful that someone like you who thinks he is the co executor of the Alliance does not even know your own Alliances history. Sad sad sad... PS: YOU DIDNT WANT THAT CARRIER AND DREAD ANYWAY RIGHT????? HAHAHAHAHA PPS: I see you met Dirt Nap....wonderful guys arent they?
BloodSoaked Goddess Amarr Samurai Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.27 04:46:00 - [15] Originally by: MirrorGod I am amused. Don't you mean worried? Shooting all your own blues, losing your grip before you have achieved your desired level of blob, people coming to gank your precious carrier fleet left right and center. Neutrals travelling from across the Universe to get in on the Heretic destruction action.. I must say, I bet I'm more amused right now than you are......grins Maybe you should have stalled on your massive ego promotion on the forums a few more months. The people with the biggest mouth's usually make themselves the biggest targets and you have always had a bigger mouth than you have been capable of the actions to back that mouth up. Fun fun times ahead from the looks of things.. AMAMAKE IS FOR MINMATAR!!!!!!!
Hoggs Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.27 05:32:00 - [16] Originally by: BloodSoaked Goddess Originally by: Hoggs Edited by: Hoggs on 27/04/2009 02:00:03 Originally by: Blood Opiate It's time we stood up and took back our own systems. I don't mean to ruin your fun, but historically Amamake has always been a pirate system. It was only recently that the militia forces decided to move in. lmaoo, you are so stupid you dont know your own corps history... funny that. lmaoo, you are so stupid you don't know any of eve's history and don't even read what I said... funny that. I said Amamake has always been a pirate system. For _long_ before the milita ever formed.
BloodSoaked Goddess Amarr Samurai Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.27 05:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Hoggs Originally by: BloodSoaked Goddess Originally by: Hoggs Edited by: Hoggs on 27/04/2009 02:00:03 Originally by: Blood Opiate It's time we stood up and took back our own systems. I don't mean to ruin your fun, but historically Amamake has always been a pirate system. It was only recently that the militia forces decided to move in. lmaoo, you are so stupid you dont know your own corps history... funny that. lmaoo, you are so stupid you don't know any of eve's history and don't even read what I said... funny that. I said Amamake has always been a pirate system. For _long_ before the milita ever formed. You must be even more stupid then as Minmatar Militia have been there since the inception of Faction war as it IS their staging system from high sec. Thats not exactly recently now is it dummy? How long has faction war been running now Mr Encyclopedia?? You might want to go back to reading the more dubious literature you seem to enjoy so much.... 4.........chan ?
Hoggs Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.27 06:32:00 - [18] Originally by: BloodSoaked Goddess You must be even more stupid then as Minmatar Militia have been there since the inception of Faction war as it IS their staging system from high sec. Thats not exactly recently now is it dummy? How long has faction war been running now Mr Encyclopedia?? You might want to go back to reading the more dubious literature you seem to enjoy so much.... ? Oh my, a year of militia? That's definately not recent compared to pirates being there as long as anyone can remember. Though you've barely had your pod license long enough to know these things, so I'll give you some credit.
Ricardo Malfi Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.04.27 07:37:00 - [19] If I didn't work for Constantine, I'd tell you you were all crazy, you know, but glass houses and stones. Pirates, they shoot you, they shoot the enemy, they even shoot each other! Kill pirates in self defense, but don't start pushing idealogical war on people whose only ideals are stealing what you have in your hold and sending you back to your cloning station with a headache! You start to claim that Amamake is yours, you are becoming as bad as the Amarr, sabes? Maybe I am crazy, but I'm thinking Minmatar should fight for freedom, not to have their banner over more space than the other person. -------------------------- To write about how odd things affect affect odd people is an oddity too much. -C.S. Lewis
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.27 10:35:00 - [20] Originally by: MirrorGod I am amused. Really guys, I am amused. This doesn't look intentional or forced does it? Hey how come you guys can only kill of stragglers and camp gates but when real pirates show up you run? If i failed that bad i'd blue militia newb corps too. Last thing you need is any kind of organized resistance to your gankings

Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.04.27 10:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Hoggs Originally by: BloodSoaked Goddess Originally by: Hoggs Edited by: Hoggs on 27/04/2009 02:00:03 Originally by: Blood Opiate It's time we stood up and took back our own systems. I don't mean to ruin your fun, but historically Amamake has always been a pirate system. It was only recently that the militia forces decided to move in. lmaoo, you are so stupid you dont know your own corps history... funny that. lmaoo, you are so stupid you don't know any of eve's history and don't even read what I said... funny that. I said Amamake has always been a pirate system. For _long_ before the milita ever formed. Heretic making the mistake that because they think they are real pirates that they somehow belong in Amamake? Real pirates might have a stake in calling Amamake 'theirs'. You guys aren't real pirates, just opportunists. You only became pirates when you realized you could gank the militia members you couldn't make useful to your own ends. ..and really, what kind of self respecting pirate goes around bluing every newb corp that will set them blue? lol fail x2
T 2 Minmatar Tribal Core	Posted - 2009.04.27 11:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Ricardo Malfi If I didn't work for Constantine, I'd tell you you were all crazy, you know, but glass houses and stones. Pirates, they shoot you, they shoot the enemy, they even shoot each other! Kill pirates in self defense, but don't start pushing idealogical war on people whose only ideals are stealing what you have in your hold and sending you back to your cloning station with a headache! You start to claim that Amamake is yours, you are becoming as bad as the Amarr, sabes? Maybe I am crazy, but I'm thinking Minmatar should fight for freedom, not to have their banner over more space than the other person. Well said. Amarr are the enemy - fight for the freedom is the goal - people are getting distracted by a minor annoyance IMHO. Best Regards, T 2 ----------- Member of Tribal Core - fighting for Minmatar Militia. Death to Amarr; long live the Minmatar Nation.
minmatar rebeI	Posted - 2009.04.27 12:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Aria Jenneth .... Lowsec space has some interesting rules of war, pilot. One of these is "no bubbles," which makes conflict against small or stealthy targets difficult. If they know how, and I have no reason to believe they do not, the Heretic forces will evade yours and engage only on their own terms. Only problem is that 6-15 heretx, as usual in oso gate camp, in small&stealthy ships are... targets. Nothing more. Atm they are ready to drop capital ship, but when first one goes down, how many blues will they have Im sure that and amarrs and neutrals are willing to shoot heretix capital or two, and latter we can continue our militia fight.
Hoggs Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.27 16:06:00 - [24] Originally by: minmatar rebeI Originally by: Aria Jenneth .... Lowsec space has some interesting rules of war, pilot. One of these is "no bubbles," which makes conflict against small or stealthy targets difficult. If they know how, and I have no reason to believe they do not, the Heretic forces will evade yours and engage only on their own terms. Only problem is that 6-15 heretx, as usual in oso gate camp, in small&stealthy ships are... targets. Nothing more. Atm they are ready to drop capital ship, but when first one goes down, how many blues will they have Im sure that and amarrs and neutrals are willing to shoot heretix capital or two, and latter we can continue our militia fight. Oh my, did you just suggest teaming up with the amarr? T 2 is right, you're getting faaar too distracted. And your battleplan is about as good as your spelling~
crockett EXE Minmatar Mutineers	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:46:00 - [25] Originally by: T 2 Well said. Amarr are the enemy - fight for the freedom is the goal - people are getting distracted by a minor annoyance IMHO. Best Regards, T 2 That's easy to say when you are blue to them.. You don't have to deal with them or be annoyed by their gate camps. The rest of us do.
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2009.04.27 19:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Hoggs Originally by: Blood Opiate It's time we stood up and took back our own systems. I don't mean to ruin your fun, but historically Amamake has always been a pirate system. It was only recently that the militia forces decided to move in. I think you'll find that historically, Amamake has always been a Minmatar Republic system, has it not? -Eva- Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time
Kadere Isendre Gallente Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2009.04.28 05:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: MirrorGod I am amused. Really guys, I am amused. This doesn't look intentional or forced does it? Hey how come you guys can only kill of stragglers and camp gates but when real pirates show up you run? If i failed that bad i'd blue militia newb corps too. Last thing you need is any kind of organized resistance to your gankings Being ready to run when a fight that can't be won (or even would simply cause to many losses to be called a clean win~) shows up is a great way to not lose my ship, I have noticed. That is called strategy, and it improves my kill/loss ratio ever so much. Originally by: crockett EXE That's easy to say when you are blue to them.. You don't have to deal with them or be annoyed by their gate camps. The rest of us do. Lets see here. Life is easy when you are blue, he said. It is also easy to be blue, its there waiting for you if you ask. So if it is easy to make your life easy, why haven't you? There are two main solutions to this problem. Right now the sentiment seems to be leaning towards removing us by force () but there is another, much easier solution that we have offered.
Gilgamesh1980 The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.04.28 06:57:00 - [28] so is this a new form or recruiting for the already cascading failure you call Minmatar Militia? interesting and very amusing as well. I am looking forward to see how this turns out. Federic 'Gilgamesh1980' Chopin Supreme Commander and Diplomat of the Black Rabbits and Gurlstas associates
Kazzzi Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.04.28 08:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Evanda Char I think you'll find that historically, Amamake has always been a Minmatar Republic system, has it not? On a data slate, yes. But honestly, how many Republic vessels do you see guarding the Ossogur gate? For as long as Concord records have been reported, the true law in Amamake has been the pirate warlords.
minmatar rebeI	Posted - 2009.04.28 08:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Hoggs Oh my, did you just suggest teaming up with the amarr? T 2 is right, you're getting faaar too distracted. And your battleplan is about as good as your spelling~ no, but thy will have fun in downing "olmajti" heretx gatecampers ...allways aligned to station Spelling, well since english is not my 1st language spell mistakes are normal and noone but you is having problem with it. /keep aligned



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