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Ranka Mei TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research. 126	Posted - 2012.05.07 02:20:00 - [1] - Quote I used to be a staunch supporter of BiS (Barbie In Space), aka Incarna. During one of the many threads on the topic someone suggested that those im favor of it go play something like Second Life. Out of curiosity I did just that, and got myself a Second Life account. Well, after a few months playing, building and decorating various homes, at this point all I can really say is: don't bother any more with Incarna. I mean, finding myself back into Captain's Quarters was like being trapped inside a wooden body, however pretty, awkwardly moving around, bumping into the furniture, unable to 'cam' around or even leave my home. It was a dreadful 'welcome home' experience for me. So, yeah, just forget about Incarna. Either that, or improve upon it tenfold; but in its current incarnation Incarna sucks 9 ways to Sunday. And I've switched to 'spinning' view now. -- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 92	Posted - 2012.05.07 02:21:00 - [2] - Quote Did you make it rain penises?
Sri Nova Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 68	Posted - 2012.05.07 02:24:00 - [3] - Quote Thomas Orca wrote: Did you make it rain penises? A second life experience is not complete with out it .
Aiwha 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda 333	Posted - 2012.05.07 02:24:00 - [4] - Quote Thomas Orca wrote: Did you make it rain penises? If genitalia precipitation is wrong I don't wanna be right. Regards, LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter
Riyal Chode Extravaganza 25	Posted - 2012.05.07 02:35:00 - [5] - Quote Thomas Orca wrote: Did you make it rain penises? Having this added to Incarna would make it 100% less pointless.
Alexa Coates The Scope Gallente Federation 111	Posted - 2012.05.07 02:41:00 - [6] - Quote Second life is furry haven as well as pedo haven, plus it lags like ****, why would you want ANYTHING to be even REMOTELY similar to it? Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships!
Fredfredbug4 The Scope Gallente Federation 282	Posted - 2012.05.07 02:47:00 - [7] - Quote If Incarna is akin to second life, then why cant our characters have 100% muscle mass, rabbit ears, and tiger tails?
Xercodo Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Dark Matter Coalition 1069	Posted - 2012.05.07 02:59:00 - [8] - Quote So wait, you actually supported Incarna as it was? And I thought I was fighting a futile battle... The Incarna as we got it was totally horrible (as far as walking in stations goes, new turrets and agent finder were still awesome =D) What I support is the Incarna we have yet to have and has been talked about since before i joined EVE. The stuff from fanfest 2008 is what we want, The Drake is a Lie
Boomhaur 41	Posted - 2012.05.07 05:52:00 - [9] - Quote Second Life is still around? I haven't heard of it in years, I thought it bit the dust. Hopefully CCP decided to permantly scrap the whole walking in stations thing, it sucked from the get go. We have freaking space ships, this is a game revolving around that we don't need to walk into a station to do something we can do more effeciently from the side menu. And BTW the door is still broken.
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 760	Posted - 2012.05.07 05:53:00 - [10] - Quote What's worse, comparing EVE to inferior games, or revealing one has played these inferior games thinking they're cool? Discuss. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á

Degren Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 263	Posted - 2012.05.07 06:01:00 - [11] - Quote I don't know what I want out of the incarna side of the game. I'm not opposed to it if they can make it "fun" or immersive (add this word to your spellchecker, forum mods...I think that's somewhat telling (just playing, love you...but really, add it)) but...I just can't think of what it would take for that to happen. Certainly not modeling it off of Second Life, though. Passive aggression, huh? -áNo, that's fine.
Sin Pew SWARTA Mostly Clueless 26	Posted - 2012.05.07 06:25:00 - [12] - Quote Degren wrote: add this word to your spellchecker, forum mods... Spellchecker is in your browser... Now, regarding second life, it's a completely different platform, like comparing oranges and bananas. Linden Labs provided a social platform with 3D avatars when others had chat boxes and avatar pictures or 2D models, their users built numerous in-game things on top of it, be it businesses (RMT), clubs with DJs playing live, artistic content, games (casinos, RPGs), and so on. CCP created a game with social tools, then added a 3D avatar showcase (it's the best avatar creator I've seen so far) but didn't make anything of it (yet...maybe), they fight RMT and try to maintain the core of the game: spaceship splosions. Other than mods and ships, user created content is out of game via websites. That doesn't look like it can be put side by side. [20:03:08] Sin Pew > I regret the auto zoom when my ship blows, I'd llike to see the fireworks at least if I'm going to blow
Degren Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 266	Posted - 2012.05.07 06:31:00 - [13] - Quote Sin Pew wrote: Degren wrote: add this word to your spellchecker, forum mods... Spellchecker is in your browser.. ** YOU, CHROME Also, ellipses are hurtful. *****. Passive aggression, huh? -áNo, that's fine.
baltec1 1148	Posted - 2012.05.07 06:49:00 - [14] - Quote Alexa Coates wrote: Second life is furry haven as well as pedo haven, plus it lags like ****, why would you want ANYTHING to be even REMOTELY similar to it? Purge it
Alpheias Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse 623	Posted - 2012.05.07 07:29:00 - [15] - Quote Sin Pew wrote: Now, regarding second life, it's a completely different platform, like comparing oranges and bananas. Linden Labs provided a social platform with 3D avatars when others had chat boxes and avatar pictures or 2D models, their users built numerous in-game things on top of it, be it businesses (RMT), clubs with DJs playing live, artistic content, games (casinos, RPGs), and so on. I can understand why you left out the x-rated stuff, but how do you know all this.. it is like you know what you are talking about! I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 704	Posted - 2012.05.07 07:31:00 - [16] - Quote I installed Second Life twice and played it for a total of 10 minutes. I immediately got approached by furries, pedos, sickos, everybody around me was murr murr (who recalls this term? yes I played MUDs). But what made me quit was when a SL2 guy offered me to go mining... they really know no respect! Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Sin Pew SWARTA Mostly Clueless 27	Posted - 2012.05.07 07:50:00 - [17] - Quote Alpheias wrote: Sin Pew wrote: Now, regarding second life, it's a completely different platform, like comparing oranges and bananas. Linden Labs provided a social platform with 3D avatars when others had chat boxes and avatar pictures or 2D models, their users built numerous in-game things on top of it, be it businesses (RMT), clubs with DJs playing live, artistic content, games (casinos, RPGs), and so on. I can understand why you left out the x-rated stuff, but how do you know all this.. it is like you know what you are talking about! and.... [20:03:08] Sin Pew > I regret the auto zoom when my ship blows, I'd llike to see the fireworks at least if I'm going to blow
Janet Patton Brony Express 10	Posted - 2012.05.07 07:55:00 - [18] - Quote I think you guys miss the point of avatars, its not about making it more efficient. It's about making giving more depth to the game and making it more engaging. I actually came back to start playing EVE because of the new avatars. I love the fact that CCP even tried to expand the game to avatars, I never thought that would happen. Those of you that don't like it, are not forced to use it. (Well now at least) So I don't see why anyone is complaining about it, you can sit and in your ship and spin it 24/7. I think it's really hard to go backwards and make elements of the game more engaging. Like how most games have quick travel, it kind of spoils the fun of heading somewhere and finding adventure on your way, also it really makes some places that are suppose to feel gar away and remote, exactly that when you have to get there yourself. EVE could of easily had instant transfer of goods and items in this game through mail like WoW has, or have NPC couriers, or banks accessible from everywhere, but they didn't. What if they had though? And then CCP took it away? I can imagine everyone would be up in arms that they couldn't trade and sell and get their goods delivered to them instantly from anywhere. With adding avatars, I think its something CCP wanted to do from the beginning with EVE, but couldn't with the technology they currently had. Now they are trying to add that flavor to the game, and people are up in arms because it ruins how quick and easy everything is currently done through the station window.
Shian Yang 80	Posted - 2012.05.07 08:02:00 - [19] - Quote Janet Patton wrote: With adding avatars, I think its something CCP wanted to do from the beginning with EVE, but couldn't with the technology they currently had. Now they are trying to add that flavor to the game, and people are up in arms because it ruins how quick and easy everything is currently done through the station window. Greetings capsuleer, You certainly make a compelling argument for form over function. Regards, Shian Yang
Loike The Alpha and the Omega Inver Brass 11	Posted - 2012.05.07 08:07:00 - [20] - Quote So Eve can't cater to gay players but other online games offer rabbit ears, donkey dongs and you can make it rain penises? This is the sort of gay **** I'm talking about!

Nate Hill Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2012.05.07 11:04:00 - [21] - Quote Loike wrote: So Eve can't cater to gay players but other online games offer rabbit ears, donkey dongs and you can make it rain penises? This is the sort of gay **** I'm talking about! I'm gay. And I love EVE. Because once I was a boy I had a dream that I could be an astronaut flying a ship to the universe. Now I become a mechanical engineer. But thanks to EVE my dream comes true.
Gawain Edmond Selective Hearing Nearly Feared 0	Posted - 2012.05.07 11:24:00 - [22] - Quote The walking in stations is something ccp have promised for years. They promised to be able to get out of your spaceship walk around the station and look down on all the npc's that populate said station. Interact with other pod pilots,without blowing them up sadly, they promised the best graphics yet seen on a game of any kind that had avatars of some kind they failed. Then they said they are putting it on the back burner but at least they gave you the option to opt out of it. The only up side to the station junk is you can see your character walking around, good for a whole 30 seconds after that it's a waste. If you have it turned off it dose not even stay turned off sometimes it'll just decide to load of its own accord bring on a button to completely disable even the option of doing that and I'll be happy as Larry (don't know who he is but apparently he's very happy).
Ranka Mei TANoshii Incorporated New Eden Research. 126	Posted - 2012.05.07 11:37:00 - [23] - Quote Gawain Edmond wrote: The walking in stations is something ccp have promised for years. They promised to be able to get out of your spaceship walk around the station and look down on all the npc's that populate said station. Interact with other pod pilots, without blowing them up sadly, they promised the best graphics yet seen on a game of any kind that had avatars of some kind they failed. Precisely. And having been in Second Life for a while really underlined said failure for me. You can't try and do both at the same time. So, since Captain's Quarters is a joke compared to the (largest?) avatar based game in town: Second Life, I say: don't even bother developing Incarna any further, and just concentrate on being a good space game. Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: I installed Second Life twice and played it for a total of 10 minutes. I immediately got approached by furries, pedos..., Then stop using a child-avatar, you perv! :) -- "All your monies AUR belong to us!" -- CCP
Kehro Urgus Aliastra Gallente Federation 320	Posted - 2012.05.07 11:49:00 - [24] - Quote Just prior to signing on to EVE I checked out the Second Life webpage. I heard of the game but knew absolutely nothing about it but after reading the website for a few minutes it just seemed too weird so I quickly navigated away. After reading this thread I'm even more glad I didn't bother with it, especially after reading about furries and ***** rain. Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802 533	Posted - 2012.05.07 11:58:00 - [25] - Quote The idea of WIS isn't that terrible when it comes to immersion and adding another layer to Eve. However CCP decided to go over the top with it and created this over polished turd thats poorly optimized and has terrible controls thats called Incarna. If you look up Ambulation on youtube and find the demo CCP had in 2008, that would have been a better direction to go. It was toned down enough to do what it needs to(and not kill peoples GFX Cards) and yet still look good. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness.
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 340	Posted - 2012.05.07 12:29:00 - [26] - Quote Ranka Mei wrote: I used to be a staunch supporter of BiS (Barbie In Space), aka Incarna. During one of the many threads on the topic someone suggested that those im favor of it go play something like Second Life. Out of curiosity I did just that, and got myself a Second Life account. Well, after a few months playing, building and decorating various homes, at this point all I can really say is: don't bother any more with Incarna. I mean, finding myself back into Captain's Quarters was like being trapped inside a wooden body, however pretty, awkwardly moving around, bumping into the furniture, unable to 'cam' around or even leave my home. It was a dreadful 'welcome home' experience for me. So, yeah, just forget about Incarna. Either that, or improve upon it tenfold; but in its current incarnation Incarna sucks 9 ways to Sunday. And I've switched to 'spinning' view now. After Inferno, there might (emphasis on the word "might") be iterations on Incarna because many of us were expecting Crucible and Inferno to improve on what CCP has neglected for ages: internet spaceships. In fact, so many things about internet spaceships have improved during Crucible and much of what's missing will be iterated on with Inferno that CCP might consider iterating on Incarna. After all, once there is nothing left to improve on internet spaceships for a while, then Incarna might get the love it deserves by first opening that damn door. Oh, and expect to see a lot of us here to want to use guns in Incarna. I look forward to one day being able to shoot at my opponent in the face online with a plasma weapon. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you.
Jett0 Team Kitty Choke Slam 114	Posted - 2012.05.07 13:31:00 - [27] - Quote If you look at Incarna as a tech demo, it's not so bad... cause that's really what it was. If CCP hadn't billed it as a full-feature expansion, I don't think it would have been caught in the AUR/monocle/etc crossfire as badly as it was. On the upside, all the work that went towards WiS so far is mostly under-the-hood i.e. the hard part. Now that the foundation is in place, there's a lot of different ways this could go. If you want to see some good dev feedback on current WiS progress, there's this thread in F&I. Back on topic, Second Life isn't really a game. It's a visual chat room with a really robust scripting system. It's a good application to study and take notes from regarding true "virtual worlds." That, and it's hilariously easy to troll. /2 ISK Occasionally plays sober
Henry Haphorn Aliastra Gallente Federation 340	Posted - 2012.05.07 13:46:00 - [28] - Quote Jett0 wrote: If you look at Incarna as a tech demo, it's not so bad... cause that's really what it was. If CCP hadn't billed it as a full-feature expansion, I don't think it would have been caught in the AUR/monocle/etc crossfire as badly as it was. On the upside, all the work that went towards WiS so far is mostly under-the-hood i.e. the hard part. Now that the foundation is in place, there's a lot of different ways this could go. If you want to see some good dev feedback on current WiS progress, there's this thread in F&I. Back on topic, Second Life isn't really a game. It's a visual chat room with a really robust scripting system. It's a good application to study and take notes from regarding true "virtual worlds." That, and it's hilariously easy to troll. /2 ISK ^ This I have not played Second Life, but I have heard enough about it that it's almost like The Sims and I have played The Sims before (regrettably - hides in shame). Even though RMT is legal there, in some form at least (read the rules), it's not my cup of tea. Incarna, as others have pointed out, was suppose to expand the gaming lore for players by adding a level of immersion regarding player interactions such as in-station smuggling of boosters, players policing the systems and ransoming the booster smugglers, as well as the possibility of players starting their own little in-station shops and bars for earning a little ISK. But, as others have said, CCP backtracked on a lot of things they said before the Jita Riots started and began to act in a greedy fashion. The players revolted, and now CCP is listening to the players and has been working on balancing spaceships like they were suppose to. Of course, they have never neglected Incarna. The CQ has been mostly optimized at this point as people's video cards are no longer melting, and the frame rates and loading times have improved. But the door is still closed. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you.
RAP ACTION HERO Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2012.05.07 14:39:00 - [29] - Quote you see, while having only social "gameplay" second life's greatest merit is that you can customize everything, and everything is player made, and thus it has become a cesspool for all kinds of freaks. while the iron grip of eve online's art department on all things aesthetic allows for absolutely zero player made customizations (and for good reason). letting only the best of the best come to life in eve, like the oracle and the tornado. thank you ccp art department for sheltering us from the horrible design sense of the general public and keeping the freaks out.
Missile Hmxy Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.05.07 15:11:00 - [30] - Quote Nate Hill wrote: I'm gay. And I love EVE. Because once I was a boy I had a dream that I could be an astronaut flying a ship to the universe. Now I become a mechanical engineer. But thanks to EVE my dream comes true. Jesus, the above quote was completely nauseating.. Not the gay part, the "Thanks to EVE my dream comes true." Sheesh, sometime I miss the endless trolling. I'll just head back to C&P then..



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