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McDaddy Pimp
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.04.27 10:03:00 -
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Mission running has always been the single activity that is totally detached from the rest of EVE. F1-F8 -> receive isk.
How about, remove bounty from NPC, and make them drop tags, like Navy NPC. This way, there will be some kind of competition in mission running (just like every other activity in EVE). Mission runners will have the risk of getting less isk if thieves came or they can invest a bit more in hiring a dedicated salvager , or just lower down their isk/hour and loots/salvage himself.
And the thieves wont be completely "invulnerable".Since the rats wrecks belong to the pirate factions, normal agro rules should apply, the thieve loot the NPC wreck, the whole room will agro him , and to make it more fun, the mission runner will also have kill rights like normal. If a honest miner can be can-flipped, why can't a missioner runner?
To help the newbies, make bounty-less NPC only appears in lvl3 and above.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.04.27 10:42:00 -
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Bitter much?
This is actually how Sleeper bounties currently work. They drop items that are exchangeable for ISK, so you can get ganked on the way back, rather than magically receiving the ISK in your wallet.
Doing it only to level 4 missions is unfair, bitter, and completely unjustified. On the other hand, a blanket replacement of bounties to tags in all parts of space makes the game that much more interesting.
Ratting is no longer a magic source of money either - you must get those tags back to someone who wants them. Of course, since, say, Sansha pirates are only unpopular with the Amarr, that might be quite a trek, but who said EVE was easy... ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.27 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 27/04/2009 13:52:41
Originally by: McDaddy Pimp Mission running has always been the single activity that is totally detached from the rest of EVE. F1-F8 -> receive isk.
I have a better idea. Remove PvP and then PvE won't be so totally detached from the rest of EVE.
Seriously, when you want more PvP then you cannot ask to get PvE more into PvP. People who only play PvE will leave EVE. When people play PvE and not PvP then they have a reason - even when the reason is to take a break from PvP.
And removing bounty from the high-level NPCs will cut down a major source for people's income. Or have you ever asked yourself where all the ISK is coming from and where it is going to?
Your idea sucks. Grow up. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
James Malice
Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats
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Posted - 2009.04.27 14:52:00 -
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I PVE to cool down after a hard RL day. I dont have the time or energy to PVP... if I lose my PVE fun I'll just go to another game. :D ---Sig Starts Here--- Look back uppon history, and realize that things we take for granted now as important aspects of the game were once looked down uppon as bad ideas. http://www.eveonline.com/ing |
Sturdy Girl
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Your idea sucks. Grow up.
Your attitude when discussing his idea sucks. Grow up.
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James Malice
Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sturdy Girl
Originally by: Whitehound Your idea sucks. Grow up.
Your attitude when discussing his idea sucks. Grow up.
We all suck, we're insulting people about ideas about a game, we all need to grow up. :D
---Sig Starts Here--- Look back uppon history, and realize that things we take for granted now as important aspects of the game were once looked down uppon as bad ideas. http://www.eveonline.com/ing |
Marcus Gideon
Gallente Limited Liability Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:06:00 -
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Yar! What be this sniveling going on here!
EVE be a place filled with danger! It be a land of pain and suffering!
If ye be afraid to step out from under yer' mommy's skirt, then this be the wrong game fer you!
Sorry... channeled the spirit of Captain Hook or something there for a minute.
Seriously, EVE is just a global sociology experiment. It's a test to see, if given free reign and ample opportunity, just how cruel and evil we can be to each other.
How about we all, Mr McDonalds included, try and realize that it's still just a video game. And your epeen will never make up for your lack of a social life. And no dating site in the world will help you out, when you insist on linking your killboard scores. |
Sturdy Girl
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Sturdy Girl on 27/04/2009 15:09:19
Originally by: James Malice
Originally by: Sturdy Girl
Originally by: Whitehound Your idea sucks. Grow up.
Your attitude when discussing his idea sucks. Grow up.
We all suck, we're insulting people about ideas about a game, we all need to grow up. :D
Perhaps. I personally try to remain civil on this forum at least, though... if I wanted to be a douche I'd go onto C&P.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sturdy Girl Your attitude when discussing his idea sucks. Grow up.
The idea sucks, and he needs to grow up. You need to grow up, too. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Sturdy Girl
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Sturdy Girl Your attitude when discussing his idea sucks. Grow up.
The idea sucks, and he needs to grow up. You need to grow up, too.
Maybe his idea is bad. Maybe not. Irrespective of the quality of the idea, you have chosen to patronise him with the command "grow up", when nothing he has said in this thread has demonstrated immaturity which would warrant such a comment.
His idea has some drawbacks which, on balance, would probably not work in this game; however the idea itself is not all that bad, and would go quite a long way to bridging the gulf between pvp and pve. From this point of view it is actually a good idea, even if in practice it may not prove workable.
Either way, it shows infinitely more thought and intelligence than any of your posts in this thread whitehound, and is therefore worthy of respect where your posts are worthy of contempt.
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Erika Bronz
Gallente The Wyld Hunt Saints Amongst Sinners
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:36:00 -
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I don't see how bountys ruin the social aspect of Eve. I very often team up for L4 missions. Not becouse I totally fail in tanking and ganking NPC's, but becouse it's social. Tags are actually what ruins it. The bountys let us skip the incredibly boring loot and salvage and profit solely on the gank. And hiring a looter is paying for the robbery. Nobody in their right mind will do this if they want the loot.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sturdy Girl Either way, it shows infinitely more thought and intelligence than any of your posts in this thread whitehound, and is therefore worthy of respect where your posts are worthy of contempt.
I don't care what it shows. The idea is so bad that it gives sturdy girls hairy legs. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:48:00 -
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I am not sure what you are getting at. I go into Mission Runner missions that are not mine and salvage and sometimes steal stuff. Your idea does not change that.
I can also get agro from the NPC rats if I get to close to them or the mission runner leaves the mission, which the mission runner sometimes does mistakenly thinking that my little stabber can not tank the mission.
I still don't get what you want to change in the game that isn't already happening.
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Sturdy Girl
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Sturdy Girl Either way, it shows infinitely more thought and intelligence than any of your posts in this thread whitehound, and is therefore worthy of respect where your posts are worthy of contempt.
I don't care what it shows. The idea is so bad that it gives sturdy girls hairy legs.
I accept your admission of defeat.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sturdy Girl I accept your admission of defeat.
/facepalm
Say, you don't like me, do you?
Grow up. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
James Malice
Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Sturdy Girl Either way, it shows infinitely more thought and intelligence than any of your posts in this thread whitehound, and is therefore worthy of respect where your posts are worthy of contempt.
I don't care what it shows. The idea is so bad that it gives sturdy girls hairy legs.
is that a bad thing? ;) ---Sig Starts Here--- Look back uppon history, and realize that things we take for granted now as important aspects of the game were once looked down uppon as bad ideas. http://www.eveonline.com/ing |
Sturdy Girl
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Posted - 2009.04.27 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Sturdy Girl I accept your admission of defeat.
/facepalm
Say, you don't like me, do you?
Grow up.
I have nothing against you, to be honest. However, I don't like it when someone:
1. is uncivil on the ideas forum for no reason at all (as in this case).
2. fails to read and understand an idea before posting a ranty critisism of it (particularly if the rant shows that the ranter has not understood the idea - as in the previous case).
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Ruze Ahkor'Murkon
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:08:00 -
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If you were to shorten missions down to using very few NPC's (but harder); requiring fits with stabs, buffer tanks and micro warp drives in order to beat; and which use multiple smaller rooms that have the player warping around the system instead of just sitting in place?
I think this could go a long way into encouraging players to take their missioning into losec, which would then subject them to PvP in one means or another. Only, they'd be better fit for it, and possibly even prepared.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sturdy Girl I have nothing against you, to be honest.
Then grow up, please. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Marcus Gideon
Gallente Limited Liability Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:47:00 -
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You'll all have to forgive Whitehound.
He goes through phases.
First it was "lazy". Everyone and everything was "lazy".
Now it seems his favorite statement is "grow up".
Hopefully we'll get his meds readjusted, and pretty soon we'll have a functional member of society. |
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.27 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon Hopefully we'll get his meds readjusted, and pretty soon we'll have a functional member of society.
I am not going through phases!! I am only not stupid. And stop asking for functional members of society, or else I will call you gay. -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Marcus Gideon
Gallente Limited Liability Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.27 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Gideon on 27/04/2009 17:18:24
Originally by: Whitehound I am not going through phases!! I am only not stupid. And stop asking for functional members of society, or else I will call you gay.
Call me gay.
I'll call you lazy, and tell you to grow up. |
James Malice
Gallente Legion Of Mad Cats
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Posted - 2009.04.27 17:37:00 -
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This discussion is no longer about a feature or idea for EVE ONLINE... take the chit chat into G/D :P ---Sig Starts Here--- Look back uppon history, and realize that things we take for granted now as important aspects of the game were once looked down uppon as bad ideas. http://www.eveonline.com/ing |
Alxea
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Posted - 2009.04.27 18:05:00 -
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You want PVP in L4's. Then join faction warfare. Thats what its there for...
Originally by: McDaddy Pimp Mission running has always been the single activity that is totally detached from the rest of EVE. F1-F8 -> receive isk.
How about, remove bounty from NPC, and make them drop tags, like Navy NPC. This way, there will be some kind of competition in mission running (just like every other activity in EVE). Mission runners will have the risk of getting less isk if thieves came or they can invest a bit more in hiring a dedicated salvager , or just lower down their isk/hour and loots/salvage himself.
And the thieves wont be completely "invulnerable".Since the rats wrecks belong to the pirate factions, normal agro rules should apply, the thieve loot the NPC wreck, the whole room will agro him , and to make it more fun, the mission runner will also have kill rights like normal. If a honest miner can be can-flipped, why can't a missioner runner?
To help the newbies, make bounty-less NPC only appears in lvl3 and above.
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Ivy Scorn
Amarr Nethro Ore Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.04.27 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Say, you don't like me, do you?
Not much to like about a guy who's on a crusade to aggravate and belittle everyone who disagrees with him. Don't bother replying. Just imagine I've heard your insults and replied in kind.
Originally by: McDaddy Pimp ...stuff...
Terrible idea. Run the mission yourself if you want to steal more than the salvage/loot.
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Thorian Baalnorn
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Posted - 2009.04.27 18:38:00 -
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This would be a bad and unpopular idea. It would cause a massive uproar in the 0.0 community who may have to travel 20-30 jumps plus just to turn in tags. And its a less effective way of injecting currancy into a game like eve that would tax the system even more for a pointless application.
Their is plenty of pvp in eve as it is.
highsec= wardec and baiting lowsec= random roams/camps with sec stat hits 0.0= full pvp.
If you want more pvp.... go to nullspace?
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.04.27 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ivy Scorn Not much to like about a guy who's on a crusade to aggravate and belittle everyone who disagrees with him.
No, you are wrong. It is only a few individuals who have replied to me in the past and who's thoughts I did not share. They already are aggravated when they reply to me, and not to the OP as they should have.
Quote: Terrible idea. Run the mission yourself if you want to steal more than the salvage/loot.
See? You are being rude to the OP. I like that! -- If there is anything in your life you fear of losing, then keep your mouth shut once in a while. |
Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2009.04.27 18:54:00 -
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I run missions.
I PVP with the money I make from missions.
I think this is a horrible idea.
NO!
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Save the SEXY in EVE!
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Limited Liability Corp
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Posted - 2009.04.27 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Ivy Scorn Not much to like about a guy who's on a crusade to aggravate and belittle everyone who disagrees with him.
No, you are wrong. It is only a few individuals who have replied to me in the past and who's thoughts I did not share. They already are aggravated when they reply to me, and not to the OP as they should have.
Quote: Terrible idea. Run the mission yourself if you want to steal more than the salvage/loot.
See? You are being rude to the OP. I like that!
I don't see any problem with the current system.
Players place bounties on each other. And when you kill someone, the bounty money is yours.
So the governments have decided that Serpentis are a bunch of thieves and bandits, and placed a blanket bounty on the lot of them.
As has been stated already, it's another form of ISK production. Otherwise, the only ISK being spent, is the ISK already earned.
I'm not sure if there are too many other forms of ISK injection. Mining is only profitable when you sell the minerals, which is a players ISK. Production actually eats up ISK in fees. Trade again only goes to players.
So the only place new ISK comes from, is missions.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.04.27 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Gideon So the only place new ISK comes from, is missions.
Strictly also ratting & insurance, those are the three ISK injection sources. Since EVE's playerbase continues to grow, the average ISK per person is always decreasing, and thus ISK injection is needed to keep deflation at bay. So yes, removing ISK sources is not an enormously good idea. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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