Originally by: Helel Lightbringer

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I'm not 100% sure that EMMA is a tool I want to use. I'm not fully clear on what it does. I'm not asking for an explanation because I'm sure over the generous 15-day trial period I'll sort that out.

I do have a question about the 100M ISK to own a license of EMMA. I run 3 accounts on 2 computers. Would I have to pay 100M, 200M (for 2 computers), or 300M (for 3 accounts) to run EMMA with my setup?

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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EMMA provides a free 15 day trial when you install the software. This allows you to ensure that it works on your system and get a feel for whether it fits your needs. If you feel that it does, the program provides details on how you can purchase a license to continue usage indefinitely.

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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under the MIT License.

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Originally by: Kalrand

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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EMMA provides a free 15 day trial when you install the software. This allows you to ensure that it works on your system and get a feel for whether it fits your needs. If you feel that it does, the program provides details on how you can purchase a license to continue usage indefinitely.

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then later

Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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under the MIT License.

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uh... you might want to double check that...

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Originally by: Hel O'Ween

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Well, I see it this way: you pay (100 mil ISK) for the service that they provide a compiled executable.

Whereas the MIT license is applied to the EMMA source (which is available on Google code for everybody) and therefore you could compile your own EMMA from that source, saving you the 100 mil ISK.

Nonetheless this poses a good question: How do all of those OSS licenses deal with game currency? This would make for a nice Ask Slashdot question, I guess.

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Originally by: Hel O'Ween

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Well, I see it this way: you pay (100 mil ISK) for the service that they provide a compiled executable.

Whereas the MIT license is applied to the EMMA source (which is available on Google code for everybody) and therefore you could compile your own EMMA from that source, saving you the 100 mil ISK.

Nonetheless this poses a good question: How do all of those OSS licenses deal with game currency? This would make for a nice Ask Slashdot question, I guess.

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Actually it's not that simple, currently, you can not use the program over 15 days, as it requires a license. But yes, you can compile the code yourself.

And yes, you could re-write the code to exclude the license stuff /or manually reset the trial counter/, and re-compile it for you. But that requires that you know how to program.

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Actually it's not that simple, currently, you can not use the program over 15 days, as it requires a license. But yes, you can compile the code yourself.

And yes, you could re-write the code to exclude the license stuff /or manually reset the trial counter/, and re-compile it for you. But that requires that you know how to program.

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Originally by: Hel O'Ween

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Nonetheless this poses a good question: How do all of those OSS licenses deal with game currency? This would make for a nice Ask Slashdot question, I guess.

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Originally by: Ambo, EMMA original post http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=936258&page=26

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As for the shareware business model, I guess that's because I was getting in-game money from people for it. However, it's well established that legally, all in-game items, cash, etc are the property of the company running the game. Therefore I believe this would be classed as freeware instead of shareware.

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Originally by: Kalrand

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The MIT license explicitly grants the user [permission] to use the software free of charge. You should switch the project's license.

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Originally by: Spacemar

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Originally by: Hel O'Ween

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How do all of those OSS licenses deal with game currency?

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To pay game currency you have to play the game, to play the game you have to pay a subscription, so it's not free as you have to pay real money to play. So that's against the OSS license. Sourceforge was right to remove the project.

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Originally by: Thoraemond

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Originally by: Spacemar

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Originally by: Hel O'Ween

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How do all of those OSS licenses deal with game currency?

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To pay game currency you have to play the game, to play the game you have to pay a subscription, so it's not free as you have to pay real money to play. So that's against the OSS license. Sourceforge was right to remove the project.

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Although many do indeed choose to pay real money for EVE accounts, that doesn't mean it's the only way to activate an account.

A third party transacting with CCP to inject some more game time into the game database does not involve me paying any real money to CCP, and indirect payments don't interfere with free software licensing (e.g., I pay my ISP for internet access, but that doesn't mean I paid for PuTTY).

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Originally by: Thoraemond

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Originally by: Kalrand

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The MIT license explicitly grants the user [permission] to use the software free of charge. You should switch the project's license.

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There's no need to change the license. It grants permission to use the software, but it doesn't stipulate that the software must do anything in particular.

The software still works after 15 days when it's not registered: it checks the registration and if that's expired, it shuts down (or whatever), which is exactly what it was designed to do.

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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus

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Originally by: Thoraemond

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Originally by: Kalrand

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The MIT license explicitly grants the user [permission] to use the software free of charge. You should switch the project's license.

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There's no need to change the license. It grants permission to use the software, but it doesn't stipulate that the software must do anything in particular.

The software still works after 15 days when it's not registered: it checks the registration and if that's expired, it shuts down (or whatever), which is exactly what it was designed to do.

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All shareware works on that basis. Do you think shareware explicitly grants the user [permission] to use the software free of charge? I think not.

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Originally by: Spacemar

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But you have to agree that the standard way to have ISK is paying a EVE account.

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Originally by: Spacemar

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If you release something to public you have to make it full accessible for all that can use your software, i.e all the EVE community.

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Originally by: Thoraemond

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it doesn't require that the author or copyright holder make the software useable (or impose other duties on the author or copyright holder).

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Originally by: Kalrand

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Originally by: Thoraemond

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[The MIT license] doesn't require that the author or copyright holder make the software useable (or impose other duties on the author or copyright holder).

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The MIT license explicitly allows use. Its the first thing the license grants. It's in the first sentence.

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Originally by: MIT License

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Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software [...] to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software.

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Originally by: MIT License

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The software is provided "as is", without warranty of any kind, express or implied, including but not limited to the warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose and noninfringement.

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Originally by: Thoraemond

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Originally by: Kalrand

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Originally by: Thoraemond

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[The MIT license] doesn't require that the author or copyright holder make the software useable (or impose other duties on the author or copyright holder).

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The MIT license explicitly allows use. Its the first thing the license grants. It's in the first sentence.

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You are right about the words, but not their meaning: the terms of the license apply to the licensee, here the user:

Originally by: MIT License

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Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software [...] to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software.

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This term in the license means that the user is permitted to use the software. It does not warrant that the user can use the software in particular ways. Such a warranty would be absurd in most software licenses because there are so many ways in which a user might not be able to use the software.


Perhaps this other part of the license will help make this point more clearly:

Originally by: MIT License

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The software is provided "as is", without warranty of any kind, express or implied, including but not limited to the warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose and noninfringement.

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Originally by: Kalrand

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There is nothing stopping me right now from forking the code and releasing "EMMA: GoonFleet Edition" upon the world.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: Kalrand

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There is nothing stopping me right now from forking the code and releasing "EMMA: GoonFleet Edition" upon the world.

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Is that the one that eats my baby, blows my computer up, and then wipes itself clean on my curtains?

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: Helel Lightbringer

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I'm not 100% sure that EMMA is a tool I want to use. I'm not fully clear on what it does. I'm not asking for an explanation because I'm sure over the generous 15-day trial period I'll sort that out.

I do have a question about the 100M ISK to own a license of EMMA. I run 3 accounts on 2 computers. Would I have to pay 100M, 200M (for 2 computers), or 300M (for 3 accounts) to run EMMA with my setup?

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Assuming nothing has changed with the fee structure. 100m lisc covers as many installs and as many accounts as you want.

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Originally by: Ambo

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Just like to thank Maestro for stepping up and taking over this project. It's great to see it in good hands and I'm sure the software will continue to improve under his guidance.

On the subject of graphs, there has been a third party component in the package for some time that allows graphs to be added without too much difficulty, I just never got around to using it.
I'll leave it to Maestro to say if/what/when graphs will happen though.

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Originally by: Kalrand

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: Kalrand

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There is nothing stopping me right now from forking the code and releasing "EMMA: GoonFleet Edition" upon the world.

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Is that the one that eats my baby, blows my computer up, and then wipes itself clean on my curtains?

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No. It's the one where you send isk to "pay for a license", but instead the author just mocks you for the rest of the evening.

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Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person
obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation
files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without
restriction, including without limitation the rights to use,
copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell
copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the
Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following
conditions:

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Originally by: EVEHel****eriousBusiness

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serious fake edit: do you have any plans to try and free EMMA from the M$ sql server dependency? System.Data.SQLite is pretty stable, if a bit slower on massive queries.

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Originally by: Vested Interest

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Anything happening with the IPO?

Is it too soon to start posting feature requests on the Google discussion board or is there a better place?

I like the idea of a maintenance release. With all due respect to Ambo , I'm sure any project like this could use a good code clean-up periodically.

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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Originally by: Vested Interest

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Anything happening with the IPO?

Is it too soon to start posting feature requests on the Google discussion board or is there a better place?

I like the idea of a maintenance release. With all due respect to Ambo , I'm sure any project like this could use a good code clean-up periodically.

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The IPO is planned to be announced in conjunction with the maintenance/stability release.

It is not too soon to provide suggestions for features, however the preferred method would be by adding it to the Issues section on the google code page as a feature request. New features will probably not be addressed as part of the stability release but will be prioritized for inclusion in the 2.0 version.

We are also still offering the opportunity to provide a 'bounty' if you will to sponsor a feature addition, which might speed up the development of your preferred feature.

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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Originally by: EVEHel****eriousBusiness

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serious fake edit: do you have any plans to try and free EMMA from the M$ sql server dependency? System.Data.SQLite is pretty stable, if a bit slower on massive queries.

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At this point there are no plans, however you can certainly put it on the desired feature list...I will be further discussing how new features will be prioritized as part of the IPO announcement and the spin up of 2.0 development.

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Originally by: EVEHel****eriousBusiness

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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Originally by: EVEHel****eriousBusiness

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serious fake edit: do you have any plans to try and free EMMA from the M$ sql server dependency? System.Data.SQLite is pretty stable, if a bit slower on massive queries.

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At this point there are no plans, however you can certainly put it on the desired feature list...I will be further discussing how new features will be prioritized as part of the IPO announcement and the spin up of 2.0 development.

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Ok. I'll try to have a look through EMMA's database call code one of these evenings and see if there is a particular standalone db that would suit it. SQLite can be slow with extremely large data sets.

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Originally by: Vested Interest

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Good to hear Sourceforge weren't totally unapproachable! Any chance they provided the old feature request list too?

Looking forward to the next release and the future!

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Originally by: Pecker

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I sent Ambo 100mil yesterday. Since he does not get on very often, when will I be able to get a key/access EMMA?

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Originally by: Ambo

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Just so you know, one of the biggest hurdles I had when looking for a replacement was that EMMA uses some CLR-based SQL funtions (i.e. SQL functions that are written in C#).

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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Originally by: Pecker

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I sent Ambo 100mil yesterday. Since he does not get on very often, when will I be able to get a key/access EMMA?

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If you review the updated screen regarding the license, it indicates that isk should be sent to the EMMA Test Corp and not to Ambo. This corp wallet is accessible by both Ambo and myself, and I have been issuing the licenses which are paid to that wallet. Unfortunately since you sent your isk to Ambo, he will need to log in and verify the payment and issue the key. I will give him a friendly poke (and am certain he reads these threads on occasion regardless) to let him know that you are waiting, but I don't believe you can expect a 24 hour turn around.

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Originally by: Snasty

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I have recently ceased recieving price data in EMMA from either eve-central or eve-metrics. It simply says it cant connect and that feature is disabled until it can.

Ideas?

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Originally by: Pecker

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I did not see the updated screen. I just checked it again and it says send 100mil by player transfer to character name AMBO with his date of birth.

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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton

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IMO it would be a very good idea to move this part of code from the database to LINQ, anyway.
We have only one frontend/program accessing the database and the potentially increased performance from using stored
procedures is not worth the vendor tie-in IMHO.

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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Edited by: Maestro Del''Tirith on 05/05/2009 17:29:24

Originally by: Mme Pinkerton

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IMO it would be a very good idea to move this part of code from the database to LINQ, anyway.
We have only one frontend/program accessing the database and the potentially increased performance from using stored
procedures is not worth the vendor tie-in IMHO.

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I'd say I disagree with LINQ, only because it is frankly far too new and I don't have the time to fuddle with the next latest thing MS has decided to push out the door. Give it a year or so and sure. As far as the stored procs, I'd agree that the time saved by them in this application is probably minimal, but also given the amount of work which has gone into building it in the current way leads me to prefer sticking to how it is for now. Perhaps with 2.0 we could consider some architectural changes, but the effort to pull all of those out and rewrite would be somewhat significant.

EDIT - and, lets be honest, this program is written in .Net. Vendor tie-in is a given. One could argue that the whole thing should have been written in Java to be portable, but it wasn't and I don't see it as a major issue at this point.

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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Edited by: Maestro Del''Tirith on 05/05/2009 17:29:24
Perhaps with 2.0 we could consider some architectural changes, but the effort to pull all of those out and rewrite would be somewhat significant.

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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One thing I have found is that if I uncheck all of the API update requests and just check one at a time it sometimes has some better success.

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Can we get an ETA for the next minor patch?
Will the new version published to the same eve file host?
-http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Ambo/ <--- I mean this.

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Originally by: Roger Kiyosaki

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I recently made the switch from PC to Mac.
Question: Is there any software like this that'll work on the mac? Or is it even on the radar to have EMMA ported to OS X?

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Originally by: Sophil

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Edited by: Sophil on 15/05/2009 14:10:04
Edit: I admit I didn't read the posts above - Stupid me. Anyone have any idea when the journal entries will be updated?

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Originally by: bunglebonce

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When I try to start the program, I get the generic Windows error 'sqlservr.exe has stopped working', followed by the program's error message: 'EMMA is unable to connect to the database. Please try restarting if the problem persists then more detail can be found in Logging/ExceptionLog.txt'.

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Originally by: Zynce

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I'm running into this also, however I managed to find the ExceptionLog. In it, it simply says it was unable to start the service for this user and therefore failed. I do have MySQL installed on my computer as well as .net 3.0, could either of those be interfering at all?

If anybody has encountered this problem before and found a way around it or at least what exactly is causing the service to not start when asked politely, please let me know!

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Can you please look into the windows application / system events, and look for events which could be related to this problem. Like you try to start emma, then look into the event log to see if there is any error at that time.

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Or I would suggest to try it from a different point to resolve this problem:
I put together a small doc, how to set up differently the connection:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/hamster/connect_db.pdf
It's still in "beta" phase. I plan to proper document how to install the management studio etc.. But you can give a try and set up like this.

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Originally by: Zynce

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Originally by: bunglebonce

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When I try to start the program, I get the generic Windows error 'sqlservr.exe has stopped working', followed by the program's error message: 'EMMA is unable to connect to the database. Please try restarting if the problem persists then more detail can be found in Logging/ExceptionLog.txt'.

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I'm running into this also, however I managed to find the ExceptionLog. In it, it simply says it was unable to start the service for this user and therefore failed. I do have MySQL installed on my computer as well as .net 3.0, could either of those be interfering at all?

If anybody has encountered this problem before and found a way around it or at least what exactly is causing the service to not start when asked politely, please let me know!

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Originally by: buildmahcrap

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btw, I think you may have a typo? not totally sure but on the last page in the red text, ...database=EveData;Integrated... should that be ...database=EveData;;Integrated...
In any case, I tried both configurations and didn't make any headway. Thanks for the attempt

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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The MSSQL service must run as a system account or account which has administrative priv.

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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I hope you did all the configuration in the doc, which configures the sql server, so it have the emma database attached. Without that it will not work.

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Originally by: Zynce

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Taken from Logging/ExceptionLog.txt
15.05.2009 15:52:48 Critical - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAException - Error connecting to database
Inner Exception: Failed to generate a user instance of SQL Server due to a failure in starting the process for the user instance. The connection will be closed.
Stack Trace: at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnection.OnError(SqlException exception, Boolean breakConnection)

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Can you please paste here the <connectionStrings> part of the EveMarketMonitorApp.exe.config file?
And I would need your computer name as well.

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Originally by: bunglebonce

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I apologise in advance if this is really obvious, but is there a noob's guide to installing EMMA?

I installed v1.3.0.3 together with SQL Server 2005, running on Vista Home Premium 32-bit.

When I try to start the program, I get the generic Windows error 'sqlservr.exe has stopped working', followed by the program's error message: 'EMMA is unable to connect to the database. Please try restarting if the problem persists then more detail can be found in Logging/ExceptionLog.txt'. I don't see the Logging folder within the installation folder.

I have never used SQL before, which does not help.

Any guidance on where I can find the right information would be appreciated. I am a keen trader, a little wet behind the ears still, but I have made a fair bit of isk and I think that this would be very helpful in managing my investments as I become more involved in trading.

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Originally by: c0rnf3d1

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i posted on the google groups board and got no response, so ill post here.

I have recently purchased a new computer, how do i export -> import everything from the old computer to the new.. ?

Thanks

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Originally by: Axearm Thunk'um

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I just installed EMMA along with Microsoft's SQL Server 2005.

I started EMMA and received the error relating to eve-price.com (or or something similar) being unavailable, and clicked through.

I selected two accounts and all six characters from both accounts through the select and manage group tabs.

All six characters are listed in the API update status screen, but the transaction/journal/orders/asset bars just continually flash between queued and sending request. This has been going on for hours.

Any suggestions on what to do check would be appreciated.

Incidentally this is installed on a separate computer (as in, not the one I play eve on). I don't know if this matters.


Incidentally I tried to post this on the Google group and repeatedly received this error:

We were unable to post your message

If you believe this is an error, please contact Google Support.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Well the ideal way would be to use the management studio to export a backup and then drop/mount and install the backup to the new SQL instance after installing EMMA onto the new computer. See this KB if you have access to the studio

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Originally by: Hel O'Ween

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There's a free Express version of SQL Management Studio

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Originally by: Axearm Thunk'um

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I just installed EMMA along with Microsoft's SQL Server 2005.

I started EMMA and received the error relating to eve-price.com (or or something similar) being unavailable, and clicked through.

I selected two accounts and all six characters from both accounts through the select and manage group tabs.

All six characters are listed in the API update status screen, but the transaction/journal/orders/asset bars just continually flash between queued and sending request. This has been going on for hours.

Any suggestions on what to do check would be appreciated.

Incidentally this is installed on a separate computer (as in, not the one I play eve on). I don't know if this matters.


Incidentally I tried to post this on the Google group and repeatedly received this error:

We were unable to post your message

If you believe this is an error, please contact Google Support.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: Hel O'Ween

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There's a free Express version of SQL Management Studio

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Just goes to show Im no DB admin... network guy.

Any issues with this and older versions of SQL express, I know the enterprise works with every SQL server on down.

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Originally by: Hel O'Ween

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I don't know, as I don't use it myself. But like you, I know that SQL Management 2005 (both normal and Express) do work with older SQL server versions, so 2008 mos likely should do the trick as well.

I'm pretty sure you could also locate a copy of the 2005er Express version, if you digg deep enough through MS's site.

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Originally by: Helel Lightbringer

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Pardon my lack of experience with the program, I'm still new to it. I read somewhere that you can dump the data of EMMA. I need this information. I moved one of my alts from my secondary account to my primary account. Then I deleted the API information of both accounts. When I loaded up the APIs again the game loaded the old information rather than get the new fact that one of the characters had switched accounts. How do I clear EMMA's memory so that it reads the APIs correctly?

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Originally by: Sajaki Kando

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Edited by: Sajaki Kando on 24/05/2009 21:41:50
One of my alts is not showing up after entering the API key... I generated a new key and tried again, no luck. Deleted account info, quit, opened EMMA, entered it again... same problem. Reinstalled EMMA, same problem.

EMMA is not useful to me unless all my characters are recognized. Paid for the full version last week, no use out of it yet.

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Originally by: Helel Lightbringer

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My problem is that when I tell EMMA to use my selected character's station assets to determine the optimized route that it is picking stations that no longer have resources (I got them last night). Also, it is not showing all of my new station assets after a day's worth of buy orders filling.

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Could be that the assets information is not up to date?
Maybe the data what is coming from the API is not up to date.

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Originally by: Helel Lightbringer

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Could be that the assets information is not up to date?
Maybe the data what is coming from the API is not up to date.

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The API wouldn't update after over 23 hours?

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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Correct. Assets data can only update once a day, at best. If you have multiple applications that hit the asset information, they'll screw each other over. This is a limitation of the EVE API, in order to negate the performance impact of asset data being pulled from the main eve database.

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Originally by: Axearm Thunk'um

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Edited by: Axearm Thunk''um on 21/05/2009 01:40:55
This is my first time trying to install EMMA

I get the following error when clicking on the top menu bar trying to open nearly every window. A grid calculator window pops up, an error pops up (telling me to check the log and once I click on the OK button an empty order window pops up.

Replace orders form in the error below with, transactions form, reprocessor, route planner, etc.

I am running windows XP Home edition and MS SQL Server 2005.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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EXCEPTION REPORT
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5/20/2009 6:12:16 PM Critical - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAException - Error setting up orders form
Inner Exception: Failed to compare two elements in the array.
Stack Trace: at System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1.Sort(T[] keys, Int32 index, Int32 length, IComparer`1 comparer)
at System.Array.Sort[T](T[] array, Int32 index, Int32 length, IComparer`1 comparer)
at System.Collections.Generic.List`1.Sort(Int32 index, Int32 count, IComparer`1 comparer)
at EveMarketMonitorApp.GUIElements.ViewOrders.ViewOrders_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
Inner Exception: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.CharCorpOption.CompareTo(Object obj)
at System.Collections.Comparer.Compare(Object a, Object b)
at System.Collections.Generic.ObjectComparer`1.Compare(T x, T y)
at System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1.QuickSort(T[] keys, Int32 left, Int32 right, IComparer`1 comparer)
at System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1.Sort(T[] keys, Int32 index, Int32 length, IComparer`1 comparer)

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Originally by: carmo pereira

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how to retrieve all transaction log?? it only gives me last week...

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Originally by: Gordo******

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I always get one of these exceptions when I click on one of the buttons on the top bar. PLS help. (running xp)

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EXCEPTION REPORT
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19.05.2009 17:05:16 Critical - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAException - Error setting up transactions form
Inner Exception: Failed to compare two elements in the array.
Stack Trace: at System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1.QuickSort[TValue](T[] keys, TValue[] values, Int32 left, Int32 right, IComparer`1 comparer)
at System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1.Sort[TValue](T[] keys, TValue[] values, Int32 index, Int32 length, IComparer`1 comparer)
at System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1.Sort(T[] items, Int32 index, Int32 length, IComparer`1 comparer)
at System.Array.Sort[T](T[] array, Int32 index, Int32 length, IComparer`1 comparer)
at System.Collections.Generic.List`1.Sort(Int32 index, Int32 count, IComparer`1 comparer)
at EveMarketMonitorApp.GUIElements.ViewTransactions.ViewTrans_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
Inner Exception: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.CharCorpOption.CompareTo(Object obj)
at System.Collections.Comparer.Compare(Object a, Object b)
at System.Collections.Generic.ObjectComparer`1.Compare(T x, T y)
at System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1.QuickSort[TValue](T[] keys, TValue[] values, Int32 left, Int32 right, IComparer`1 comparer)

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Originally by: Mapo Runt

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Still have recieved no reply concerning EMMA key even sent in-game mails to those claiming association. DO NOT SEND EMMA ANY ISK FOR A KEY UNTIL THEY DECIDE TO COME HERE AND POST THAT ITS STILL A LIVE PROJECT. Till then, assume its dead.

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Originally by: Mapo Runt

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"dude" I sent the isk Thursday.

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since evemeep doesnt seem to work fine enough anymore

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Quote:

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since evemeep doesnt seem to work fine enough anymore

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EvEMEEP works wonderfully well for me

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Originally by: Ju Sei

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Great news mate thanks for the update. Would hate to see something as good as this being stopped and its reputation tarnished.

Kudo's from me

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Originally by: charnea

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6/8/2009 7:34:51 PM Critical - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAException - Error connecting to database
Inner Exception: An error occurred during recovery, preventing the database 'C:\PROGRAM FILES\EMMA\DATA\EMMA DATABASE.MDF' (database ID 6) from restarting. Diagnose the recovery errors and fix them, or restore from a known good backup. If errors are not corrected or expected, contact Technical Support.
An error occurred during recovery, preventing the database 'C:\PROGRAM FILES\EMMA\DATA\EMMA DATABASE.MDF' (database ID 6) from restarting. Diagnose the recovery errors and fix them, or restore from a known good backup. If errors are not corrected or expected, contact Technical Support.
Cannot open user default database. Login failed.

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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I will be on tonight and will send out any pending keys. Sorry for the delay - wife had a bad accident and we're still recovering. I'll also be going through mail and responding to any queries.

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Originally by: Festidious Verrucas

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Quick question with regards to Emma and SQL Express 2008 - does it work at all?

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Originally by: charnea

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I am running SQL 2005. Do i need to run another version for it to work? Also shold I post a log from SQL and where do I find it. Any help would be appreciated.

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Originally by: Festidious Verrucas

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Quick question with regards to Emma and SQL Express 2008 - does it work at all?

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Yes it works. I use it with SQL 2008

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Originally by: Festidious Verrucas

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I Guess I'm basically going have to use the SQL tools to export the Emma DB and import it into the SQL Express 2008 instance installed elsewhere and then un-install SQL Express 2005 and try and move EMMA.

I would really like to see a more customizable installer - one that is able to install EMMA alone that requests the Database connection details - perhaps this would also allow for connecting to remote SQL Servers - such as MYSQL or even better a webserver running MYSQL which would really open up some functionality.

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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Originally by: Festidious Verrucas

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I Guess I'm basically going have to use the SQL tools to export the Emma DB and import it into the SQL Express 2008 instance installed elsewhere and then un-install SQL Express 2005 and try and move EMMA.

I would really like to see a more customizable installer - one that is able to install EMMA alone that requests the Database connection details - perhaps this would also allow for connecting to remote SQL Servers - such as MYSQL or even better a webserver running MYSQL which would really open up some functionality.

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I posted a document how to do a custom database connection:
Alternate connection Try with that.

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The installer has encountered and unexpected error installing this package. This may indicate a problem with this package. The error code is 2755.

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Originally by: charnea

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I tried to uninstall and re-install and it still doesn't work. The error connecting to the database comes up immediately. So I guess basically since no one can figure it out from my logs I am screwed out of 100 million isk

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Originally by: Altaree

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I am getting the following error trying to install this package:

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The installer has encountered and unexpected error installing this package. This may indicate a problem with this package. The error code is 2755.

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I am an admin on my box. I just downloaded from eve-files.

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Originally by: Prykt

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I've been away from the game for a few months. Upon reinstalling EMMA and entering my license key, I am prompted that it is invalid. It's not invalid. I've sent eve-mails to both developers nearly a week ago, but thus far there's no word.

I am not half the trader I was without EMMA. Please help.

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Originally by: Prykt

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I've been away from the game for a few months. Upon reinstalling EMMA and entering my license key, I am prompted that it is invalid. It's not invalid. I've sent eve-mails to both developers nearly a week ago, but thus far there's no word.

I am not half the trader I was without EMMA. Please help.

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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton

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Originally by: Prykt

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I've been away from the game for a few months. Upon reinstalling EMMA and entering my license key, I am prompted that it is invalid. It's not invalid. I've sent eve-mails to both developers nearly a week ago, but thus far there's no word.

I am not half the trader I was without EMMA. Please help.

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Could you please post the last lines of EMMA\Logging\ExceptionLog.txt?

Please contact me in-game, perhaps we can manage to pin-down this error with some more information...

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Originally by: Star Wave

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I understand the manager of the program is having RL issues and there is a back log for sending out keys. I've sent my ISK and at some point hope to get a key. In the mean time since my trial has expired I wanted to know if what i'm seeing is correct. It appears that when I start emma up it accesses the api and downloads the data. Hopefully that's true so that when i do get a key i'll have all the information during this unlicensed time.

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Originally by: Prykt

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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton

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Originally by: Prykt

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I've been away from the game for a few months. Upon reinstalling EMMA and entering my license key, I am prompted that it is invalid. It's not invalid. I've sent eve-mails to both developers nearly a week ago, but thus far there's no word.

I am not half the trader I was without EMMA. Please help.

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Could you please post the last lines of EMMA\Logging\ExceptionLog.txt?

Please contact me in-game, perhaps we can manage to pin-down this error with some more information...

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I've sent you an eve-mail. I'm in-game now as well, if you're available.

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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I found an area that could use an improvement.

Cross region trading can be quite profitable, yet I don't see a report to see the results (maybe I am missing something obvious).

Example:

Asset reports shows very useful information but it only gives the choice of one region for all the pricing.
It'd be very neat to be able and decide the buy region in an independent way off the sell region.


Second thing, the item detail=>transactions does not work like I think it should.

I setup date = May 1 2009 to today, yet the program shows my buyer character holding 18 items I already sold days ago and 1 item in the seller character instead of 18. Notice all the characters are active, working, all "green status" in the API update status and this item got sold around Jun 10.

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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I'm a bit confused by this, since I received an in game mail from you which indicated you had lost the key (not that it wasn't working anymore).

That said, as you may know, we keep records - I have re-sent your key to you, based on your original eve mail.

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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I'm a bit confused by this, since I received an in game mail from you which indicated you had lost the key (not that it wasn't working anymore).

That said, as you may know, we keep records - I have re-sent your key to you, based on your original eve mail.

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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Prykt, do you happen to use Windows Vista?

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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

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2 issues I got:

1) Calculating the NAV, on a Dual Core 2.6GHz with 4G RAM takes me like 15 minutes despite the minimal hard disk activity.

2) I noticed a 400M drop in my NAV. I checked and double checked until I recalled I bought 2 BPOs for an alt. Oddly enough, the value of the two BPOs seems not taken in account and thus it's like my 400M just vanished. Did I understand something wrong?

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Originally by: Yurigon

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I'm on vista 64-bit and keep on getting a security level not high enough error. I have put in my full access API key so not sure why it's doing this.

Any help or workaround for this? Thanks!

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===================================================================================== EXCEPTION REPORT ===================================================================================== 6/21/2009 2:57:41 PM Error - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAException - Problem loading main form. Inner Exception: The type initializer for 'EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.UserAccount' threw an exception. Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.UserAccount.set_Name(String value) at EveMarketMonitorApp.GUIElements.Main.Main_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) Inner Exception: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Data.DataSetExtensions, Version=3.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken='---------' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified. Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.UserAccount..cctor()

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Originally by: Lep Erd

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I auto-updated today after being informed of an available update... and have not been able to use EMMA since. It throws an exception on login.

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===================================================================================== EXCEPTION REPORT ===================================================================================== 6/21/2009 2:57:41 PM Error - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAException - Problem loading main form. Inner Exception: The type initializer for 'EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.UserAccount' threw an exception. Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.UserAccount.set_Name(String value) at EveMarketMonitorApp.GUIElements.Main.Main_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e) Inner Exception: Could not load file or assembly 'System.Data.DataSetExtensions, Version=3.5.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken='---------' or one of its dependencies. The system cannot find the file specified. Stack Trace: at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.UserAccount..cctor()

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(I redacted the publickeytoken just in case, if you need that let me know and i'll post it as well)

Any info on this? What can I do?

-l

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Originally by: IceWhale

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I've looked around and I havent found the error text from the ExceptionLog anywhere on the internet. It seems that I cannot retrieve my portrait from the web cache, and it prevents me from going further with setting up my character data. Any ideas? The error is as follows:

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EXCEPTION REPORT
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6/22/2009 10:48:57 AM Error - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAEveAPIException - Problem retrieving data from character portrait web service
Inner Exception: The remote server returned an error: (403) Forbidden.
Stack Trace: at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetResponse()
at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.Portaits.GetImageFromAPI(Int32 charID)

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Originally by: Scary McNastypants

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Hi there. Quick question (haven't read the whole thread, so pardon me if it's already been answered)

-I signed up at SourceForge and went to the link you folks have provided, but I only get the message "Permission Denied
Access to this page is restricted (either to project members or to project administrators) and you do not meet the requirements to access this page. Please contact the administrator of this project for further assistance. "

How do I get permission?
Along the same lines, are you even using that anymore? I notice that the links in this thread go to google discussions.

- I sent cash in (to the correct corp with the correct founder and tracker) about a day and a half ago. The EMMA ap itself says that I should get a key in a few hours. In this thread you say that I should get a key within 24 hours, and that's fine, but it's been more than that (which is also fine). I'd just like to make sure that you have gotten the ISk and that, sooner or later, I'll get my activation key.

Thanks very much. Awesome ap and I'd recommend it to everybody without reservation. Once I get my key, at least.

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Originally by: Some Advisor

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iam wondering if and when the bug (or do i oversee something) will be fixed in the transactions window:


i mark multiple lines, i get the sum, ok..

but when i have lets say 2m spend, and 5m income, then it shows up as 7M instead as 3M.

VERY annoying, and makes it pretty much useless for me.

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Originally by: CrazyArsed Monkey

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Good evening o7
I am trying once again to get EMMA working, this time on my laptop that is still Vista but 32 bit this time. I get the log -

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EXCEPTION REPORT
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29/06/2009 21:53:29 Critical - EveMarketMonitorApp.Common.EMMAException - Error during startup
Inner Exception: Timeout expired. The timeout period elapsed prior to completion of the operation or the server is not responding.
Stack Trace: at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnection.OnError(SqlException exception, Boolean breakConnection)
at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.ThrowExceptionAndWarning(TdsParserStateObject stateObj)
at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParserStateObject.ReadSniError(TdsParserStateObject stateObj, UInt32 error)
at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParserStateObject.ReadSni(DbAsyncResult asyncResult, TdsParserStateObject stateObj)
at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParserStateObject.ReadNetworkPacket()
at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParserStateObject.ReadBuffer()
at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParserStateObject.ReadByte()
at System.Data.SqlClient.TdsParser.Run(RunBehavior runBehavior, SqlCommand cmdHandler, SqlDataReader dataStream, BulkCopySimpleResultSet bulkCopyHandler, TdsParserStateObject stateObj)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.CompleteLogin(Boolean enlistOK)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.AttemptOneLogin(ServerInfo serverInfo, String newPassword, Boolean ignoreSniOpenTimeout, Int64 timerExpire, SqlConnection owningObject)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.LoginNoFailover(String host, String newPassword, Boolean redirectedUserInstance, SqlConnection owningObject, SqlConnectionString connectionOptions, Int64 timerStart)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds.OpenLoginEnlist(SqlConnection owningObject, SqlConnectionString connectionOptions, String newPassword, Boolean redirectedUserInstance)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlInternalConnectionTds..ctor(DbConnectionPoolIdentity identity, SqlConnectionString connectionOptions, Object providerInfo, String newPassword, SqlConnection owningObject, Boolean redirectedUserInstance)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnectionFactory.CreateConnection(DbConnectionOptions options, Object poolGroupProviderInfo, DbConnectionPool pool, DbConnection owningConnection)
at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.CreateNonPooledConnection(DbConnection owningConnection, DbConnectionPoolGroup poolGroup)
at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionFactory.GetConnection(DbConnection owningConnection)
at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionClosed.OpenConnection(DbConnection outerConnection, DbConnectionFactory connectionFactory)
at System.Data.SqlClient.SqlConnection.Open()
at EveMarketMonitorApp.DatabaseClasses.Updater.Update()
at EveMarketMonitorApp.GUIElements.Main..ctor(Boolean checkForUpdates)

Any ideas anyone?

Thank you very much

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Originally by: Maestro Del'Tirith

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Free version will be available by the end of the week. Refunds will be sent whenever I or Ambo hop on to do so but I can guarantee it is coming.

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Originally by: Ambo

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From what I've seen, it's pretty much in a state of hibernation.

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