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Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:24:00 -
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EVE touts itself as a sandbox game and that it is the ultimate MMO for freedom of choice in what actions a player can take. One that that annoys me is that this is not true. Especially in high sec space.
In high sec non-combat vessels are at the mercy of anyone willing to take the loss of a a combat ship. They can train up a high sec alt, get into a destroyer and then go freely gank anyone they want in high sec - because they know good and well that the only assistance a lone miner or freighter pilot might receive is from Concorde; and Concorde does not always arrive in a timely manner to assist the pilot that is in desperate need of help.
So, I say give non-combat ships a GÇ£Mayday ButtonGÇ¥.
Just like in the real world when you are in trouble you can put out a distress call and ask for any ships in the area to provide assistance. In the case of EVE non-combat ships can use the Mayday system to request the assistance of other players in the same star system, who are in combat ships, and willing to come to their aid. Only non-combat ships have this button.
All a player would need to do when they are attacked is push the Mayday button and a signal would be transmitted to all combat ships in the system requesting immediate assistance to protect them from a ship/s that have taken hostile action against them. Players that accept this call to assist will be given the info on the ship/s involved and where they are located so they can, if need be, jump to that location to engage the aggressor ships and assist the pilot in need.
People seem to think that all the people that fly in high sec are nothing but a bunch of carebears. I donot believe that is the case. I think some people choose to play the game on different terms. ItGÇÖs not that they donGÇÖt wish to participate in the glory of blowing **** up, itGÇÖs that they donGÇÖt wish to deal with all the BS that takes place in null and low sec. I think given the chance to fight many people in high sec would fight. This is a way for them to do it and not in some weird arbitrary war - like RvB type weird way. This would open up high sec for all combat pilots to come to the aid of their fellow pilots and blow **** up - for good.
LetGÇÖs give the good a chance to actually fight back. Without having to be a member of a corp or be in a fleet or whatever. Just give non-combat ships a Mayday button and let the combat people in ships come to their aid - if they choose to do so.
This would not replace Concorde. Concorde will still come blow your arse up if you break the law. This is a secondary system put in place because some times Concorde is slow to respond. This is a way for players of high sec to step in ahead of Concorde and help police their own space.
Players that respond to such a mayday call do not stay flagged red. When the aggressor ship/s are destroyed they will go back to a neutral state. Should the ships coming to the aid of a distressed ship get destroyed Concorde will still respond - this does not replace Concorde.
How to avoid people abusing this system?
Only ship/s involved in the attack on the non-com ship are flagged and open to be attacked by those coming to the aid of the non-com. So that means someone cannot have a large group of buddies sitting in wait to jump on ship/s who come to the defense of others. If they do fire on the ships that come to the aid of the non-com they are flagged by Concorde accordingly and will be destroyed.
Now is there a chance that someone will set traps like have a friend in a freighter make a mayday call so that he and his buddies can jump anyone that comes to the aid of the freighter. This is where it is at the discretion of the combat pilots if they wish to provide aid based on the number of attackers. LetGÇÖs say somone gets the ideal to place a heavily armored hulk in a asteroid - form a fleet with say 20 plus ships and then proceed to have the pilot make a mayday call to pull player/s into their trap. It would be at the discretion of the player as to whether or not they will confirm to assist based on information regarding the parties involved.
When a mayday call is sent, the info of every ship involved would be made available to pilots who will assist in the non-com in their overview. The player can then decide if they will assist or not. Anyone would be able to see the number of ships attacking and the number of ships assisting in their overview.
So, with that said, a Mayday system in the game of EVE would open up high sec to allow people to provide combat assistance to those that are not capable of defending themselves.
Discuss freely. |
Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:26:00 -
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They would be dead before anyone even warped to the belt/gate.
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
628
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:28:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:They would be dead before anyone even warped to the belt/gate.
This I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:29:00 -
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In some cases, yes, but not all. If even a few ships here and there can be saved I think it would be worth the effort. |
papamike
Precipice Industries
40
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:35:00 -
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So basically you want a mechanic that will replace
- the need to form a social network within your star system's local community
- the need to join an alliance/corp
- interact with other players in a social context with the end goal of mutual protection
- be aware of your local environment and develop intelligence gathering networks/ systems
Totally agree. CCP replace all this content with a simple distress beckon so I dont loose my overly faction fitted ship that ive been semi afk grinding missions in for the past 2 years whilst ignoring all the rest and best Eve has to offer.
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Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:36:00 -
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No. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
873
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:37:00 -
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If a ship can't last long enough for concord to arrive within 30 seconds and wtfpwn the baddies, what makes you think other players will be able to do much more? It takes at about 30 seconds to initiate warp and land at a destination nearby. The only folks that could possibly help would have to already be on grid with you, and they're already going to have permission to shoot all the suddenly gcc-red attackers.
You could type "MAYDAY" in local though, if you think it would help. Here's your sign... |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
53
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:37:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:They would be dead before anyone even warped to the belt/gate.
/Thread
Op, you don't seem to know much about CONCORD (no e) and player's locking times. Even if players willing to help would be at the same spot with the gank target, they would still have to assess the situation, find targets and lock them. Concord has insta-lock and is much better at dealing damage, neuting, etc.
So you'd achieve nothing with this.
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Eternum Praetorian
Malum Crusis
768
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:39:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:In some cases, yes, but not all. If even a few ships here and there can be saved I think it would be worth the effort.
In every single case.... dead. You obviously have never seen a gank before. I suggest that you take a look at the Hulkageddon website.
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Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:41:00 -
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papamike wrote:So basically you want a mechanic that will replace
- the need to form a social network within your star system's local community
- the need to join an alliance/corp
- interact with other players in a social context with the end goal of mutual protection
- be aware of your local environment and develop intelligence gathering networks/ systems
Totally agree. CCP replace all this content with a simple distress beckon so I dont loose my overly faction fitted ship that ive been semi afk grinding missions in for the past 2 years whilst ignoring all the rest and best Eve has to offer.
This might help actually make the game better by getting people to help one another and form friendships that will bring them together. |
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Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
417
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:44:00 -
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Define "non-combat"
Also, no |
Saia Tae Arragosa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:45:00 -
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It was just an ideal. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
533
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:46:00 -
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Id rather not see local spammed with distress calls from those who are probably already dead. Though distress call baiting would be funny, but not worth it. Free-áKugutsumen from censorship and end the bitterness. |
Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
6
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Posted - 2012.05.07 11:57:00 -
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You have a mayday button already. Type "I'm being attacked in [Enter system name] Belt/gate/planet/station [Enter location] by [Enter attacking ships]" into corp, alliance or intel channels and press your mayday button (Enter) then everyone in that channel can come and try and save you.
The only problem i can see with this is that you need to have friends willing to make an efford to help you It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:32:00 -
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I poop from there |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
296
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:45:00 -
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How to counter:
1. Deploy pirate alt in a T1 industrial/mining ship. 2. Have pirate spam the "MAYDAY" function constantly. 3. Nobody listens to the boy who cries wolf. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
338
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Posted - 2012.05.07 14:56:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:In some cases, yes, but not all. If even a few ships here and there can be saved I think it would be worth the effort.
Its called local. Ask for help, if somebody wants to help you they will. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4127
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:07:00 -
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what I would do is send out a distress call from a disco battleship "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
857
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:16:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It was just an ideal.
It wasn't a horrible idea, but you need to understand that the game is a multiplayer sandbox, and thus ideally you would "hit mayday" by contacting your friends (or shouting in local) and getting help in that way. As a general rule CCP doesn't like seeing NPCs do what PCs can. |
beor oranes
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
26
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Posted - 2012.05.07 15:35:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:Define "non-combat"
Battle Badgers FTW!
Jovan Geldon wrote:Also, no
Agreed. |
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:39:00 -
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FLEETS ~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Nerv Syndrome
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:48:00 -
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Yea I really don't see this working as intended. |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
30
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Posted - 2012.05.07 16:50:00 -
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Isnt this what corps are for? |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
5
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:09:00 -
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Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:This might help actually make the game better by getting people to help one another and form friendships that will bring them together. If this is what you'd like to happen, you'd better ask for concord to be removed from all highsec. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
615
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Posted - 2012.05.07 18:11:00 -
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Xython wrote:Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:It was just an ideal. It wasn't a horrible idea, but you need to understand that the game is a multiplayer sandbox, and thus ideally you would "hit mayday" by contacting your friends (or shouting in local) and getting help in that way. As a general rule CCP doesn't like seeing NPCs do what PCs can. Luckily for you, CONCORD is alone in its abilities. Players can't just spawn in and almost instantly disable an attacker like CONCORD. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Eric Konway
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:50:00 -
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Have a similar idea here. We have started calling it the "Bacon Button". https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=105783&find=unread |
Renturu
Tribal Spirit The Nest Alliance
186
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:57:00 -
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Aren't some of the changes coming down the pipe to be if a ganker starts shooting at a player in high sec, they got red flashy to everyone. If they blow up the ship, concord steps in. Correct me if I'm wrong... I can't remember the Dev post exactly. If EvE WiS is Space Barbie, then I'm built like a Ken Doll:
Nothin' but 14 inches of T'aint; Smooth, from front to butt!!! |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
549
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:05:00 -
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Renturu wrote:Aren't some of the changes coming down the pipe to be if a ganker starts shooting at a player in high sec, they got red flashy to everyone. If they blow up the ship, concord steps in. Correct me if I'm wrong... I can't remember the Dev post exactly. Confirming that currently on Tee mother ******* Kyoo if you are not at war and in empire and shoot another party not in your corporation, you become red flashy to everyone and CONCORD shows up.
What you said is totally wrong, though. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Zoloft Rx
Forged Prophets
19
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:16:00 -
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Question: If someone attacks me in a belt while I'm mining and they get gcc, is my whole corp able to atteck the agressing ship?
If so: why doesn't every corp have a fast-locking ECM ship next to every one of their mining ships? If so: that button doesnt need to exist, it already does exist ..and you dont have to press it.
If it doesnt exist: you probably wouldnt be done freaking out before your ship goes boom. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
556
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Posted - 2012.05.08 07:19:00 -
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Zoloft Rx wrote:Question: If someone attacks me in a belt while I'm mining and they get gcc, is my whole corp able to atteck the agressing ship? If so: why doesn't every corp have a fast-locking ECM ship next to every one of their mining ships? If so: that button doesnt need to exist, it already does exist ..and you dont have to press it. If it doesnt exist: you probably wouldnt be done freaking out before your ship goes boom. Read the post above you FFS. I mean jesus it's RIGHT ******* THERE! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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