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Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:03:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:
That whole "Quantitive Easing" thing was fed to us in the UK media 2 years ago as a good thing, "getting money into circulation again" they said. When actually it's just putting more money into the system without any capital to back it up with, therefore devaluing the money its citizens are given.
what do you guys think about commodity linked currencies? like the gold standard?
There's a far far greater threat than inflation at the moment looming over the world. the central bankers are pretty much saying "screw inflation", because the problem is liquidity. They'll deal with the inflation later, if at all needed, for now the U.S is stuck, like the rest of the world, in the liquidity trap no one thought really exists. well, it does, and japan is in it for quite a while now.(around 20 years iirc).
I'll be frank, No one knows what to do, The actual tools economists have to deal with depressions are all spent out.
Increase debt to get out of the depression - failed. Increase money supply to lower intrest rate - failed.
Honestly, economicly wise, there's very little left to do, other than juggle heavy debts around and ride it out. Things are too... brittle, right now in order to make any big changes.
As for commodity linked currencies - it won't work in an international market, that's why they stopped using it. You might aswell link the currency value to the price index, but that's what they're doing already, maintaining a 1-3% inflation on average yearly. So, it's a good thing.
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MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:57:00 -
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Debiru wrote:Yes, because any country's economy fixes itself from a 130% debt-to-GDP in 2 years. I wouldn't presume to claim that 2 years was enough to right the Greek fiscal ship. But hopefully we can agree that an effective prescription (austerity in this case) shouldn't make the disease worse.
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Florestan Bronstein
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:06:00 -
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Johnny Frecko wrote: You might aswell link the currency value to the price index
most posts in this thread are rubbish but that's an interesting idea and pretty much what Brazil did as part of the Plano Real.
MailDeadDrop wrote:Debiru wrote:Yes, because any country's economy fixes itself from a 130% debt-to-GDP in 2 years. I wouldn't presume to claim that 2 years was enough to right the Greek fiscal ship. But hopefully we can agree that an effective prescription (austerity in this case) shouldn't make the disease worse. MDD you won't find any agreement on this claim. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
717
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:24:00 -
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Barakach wrote: Social Security plus Medicare plus Welfare combined, doesn't even come close to our yearly war expenditures.
SS plus medicare is 498 billion over defense.
Def is 738B, SS is 738B.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.html
Agree on your point about cutting defense though, no point in fighting a bunch of silly wars that are not necessary. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
730
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:28:00 -
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MailDeadDrop wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:every time some idiot governor wakes up in the morning and sets up the umpteenth market tax (instead of firing their excess state workers and reducing waste) or invents some new sand to toss in the markets cogs, investors promptly bring their capitals away and that country gets poorer as a result. Yeah, like the private capital that is pouring into Greece and how much wealthier that country is now that they've had 2 years of extreme "firing of state workers and waste reduction" (a/k/a "austerity measures"). I wonder how much else of your bloviating is flat-out wrong. MDD
Terrible straw man.
waste reduction aka Austerity measures? Really?
You don't seem to know how some south-european countries work anyway.
Super-heavy corruption, vast moonlighting, vast off the book work, Babel self contrasting laws, politicians invading every smallest "power niche" (i.e. every hospital, televisions, newspapers, companies), disaster balances also due to past communist/socialist ideology influences and much much more. State workers in there = rampant nepotism and one of the main politicians ways to grab votes. There are some regions where state workers are 40% of the total population... Plus, there's no job whatsoever so people are "parked" in statal jobs just to give them something to do and earn something, while the state gets more indebted to pay them. Also, let's not forget some ancient mentalities. When I was younger I lived in places where people would openly call you an idiot for working. "Work is for peons, men command the peons and exercise power on them".
There'd be 1000 books to be made on these things and many of them can't be reduced to your 2 liner straw man. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:16:00 -
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Playing devils advocate here.
Greece should simply declare they aren't paying any of the loans back, they are no longer going to use the Euro for their currency, and should bring back their national currency.
Everything fixed for a few decades.
 When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |

Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
133
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Posted - 2012.05.09 05:44:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Barakach wrote: Social Security plus Medicare plus Welfare combined, doesn't even come close to our yearly war expenditures.
SS plus medicare is 498 billion over defense. Def is 738B, SS is 738B. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.htmlAgree on your point about cutting defense though, no point in fighting a bunch of silly wars that are not necessary.
You're not counting defense-related spending that comes from the discretionary budget. We end up spending far more than just the defense budget alone each year on that area. In recent years, even beyond the defense budget, the military has taken over a 50% share of the discretionary budget, so around $350bn a year on top of regular defense spending. Which means that we're spending over $1 trillion on defense-related costs each year.
By comparison, China, the next largest spender, spends between $100-200bn a year on defense.
Oh yeah, and that $1tn a year we've been dropping on defense doesn't take care of old people. And SS pays for itself. Medicare does not, but it also provides continuously constructive aid to elderly Americans, and would most certainly benefit from being expanded to the rest of the public, since oodles of healthy people would enter that risk pool, and the government would essentially be able to dictate prices. I'm not sure why the military never has to deal with the allegation that it doesn't pay for itself. I guess that's just one of those mysterious, American double standards.
Sorry for snapping. I know that you're for cutting defense. But the discretionary budget is an oft-overlooked part of how we spend money in America, and it conceals a rather large part of what constitutes our overall defense spending. |

William Joseph Adama
Einstein Rosenbruecke Logistics
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Posted - 2012.05.09 09:06:00 -
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Dear Forum,
yea you can make good money with station trading, but only if you put much effort in it.
If you want to make much money then you have to manage your orders in 4 minute ticks so it isn-Št that comfortable and monoton. |

leocaldari
leo's Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.09 11:31:00 -
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@all
would be nice to talk with some professional jita station trader.
what I read so far is just some funny comments but people don't know what they are talking about
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Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:14:00 -
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Professional jita trader about what?
Some of the people that posted here know quite alot of what they're talking about.
in short as was said multiple times increase in tax will result in increase prices for consumers, traders won't pay it. the simplest of reasons is that the demand for most eve materials is non-elastic.
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leocaldari
leo's Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:22:00 -
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Johnny Frecko wrote:Professional jita trader about what?
Some of the people that posted here know quite alot of what they're talking about.
in short as was said multiple times increase in tax will result in increase prices for consumers, traders won't pay it. the simplest of reasons is that the demand for most eve materials is non-elastic.
not a jita trader jita STATION trader this is a big big difference
I haven't seen so much, except all the trading bots 
just for interest if here are some who are doing this kind of job in jita I'm one of these rare people.
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
352
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Posted - 2012.05.09 13:48:00 -
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leocaldari wrote:not a jita trader jita STATION trader this is a big big difference I haven't seen so much, except all the trading bots  just for interest if here are some who are doing this kind of job in jita I'm one of these rare people.
This here is about as "high-brow" as it gets, brogurt.
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Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:12:00 -
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And yet the fact you're a jita station trader has nothing to do with what the answer is to your question. demand is non-elastic. taxes roll down to consumers. |

Debiru
Flashpoint Industries Imperial Hull Tankers
10
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Posted - 2012.05.09 19:58:00 -
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Barakach wrote:"Universal healthcare is good, don't get me wrong. But having government healthcare competing with private healthcare isn't good, nor is adding trillions (plural) of dollars to a debt that is already spiraling out of control. The money pool the government said would pay for it failed in the trial run, before even coming to implementation."
Most countries with Universal healthcare not only pay less but also provide better and quicker services. If you're looking to to cut fat, look at the military. In 5 years, we spent enough on the military to pay for health-care and college for 10 years for everyone of age in the USA.
The military doesn't look big in the USA budget because anything that pertains with war does not have to come from the budget. They can just spend it and worry about the fallout later. Anything that has to do with war is effectively put on a credit card with no spending cap.
Social Security plus Medicare plus Welfare combined, doesn't even come close to our yearly war expenditures. I don't think you've added in social security and all other medical-related programs the government handles, plus the new Medicare bill, and you've got the largest part of the U.S. Budget.
And while other countries do have universal healthcare, every single one has problems in it, and every snigle one has to devote large portions of the government budget to it. |

Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
133
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Posted - 2012.05.09 21:12:00 -
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Debiru wrote:Barakach wrote:"Universal healthcare is good, don't get me wrong. But having government healthcare competing with private healthcare isn't good, nor is adding trillions (plural) of dollars to a debt that is already spiraling out of control. The money pool the government said would pay for it failed in the trial run, before even coming to implementation."
Most countries with Universal healthcare not only pay less but also provide better and quicker services. If you're looking to to cut fat, look at the military. In 5 years, we spent enough on the military to pay for health-care and college for 10 years for everyone of age in the USA.
The military doesn't look big in the USA budget because anything that pertains with war does not have to come from the budget. They can just spend it and worry about the fallout later. Anything that has to do with war is effectively put on a credit card with no spending cap.
Social Security plus Medicare plus Welfare combined, doesn't even come close to our yearly war expenditures. I don't think you've added in social security and all other medical-related programs the government handles, plus the new Medicare bill, and you've got the largest part of the U.S. Budget. And while other countries do have universal healthcare, every single one has problems in it, and every snigle one has to devote large portions of the government budget to it.
Social Security shouldn't be added, as it's broadly understood to pay for itself already. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
722
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Posted - 2012.05.09 22:57:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Social Security shouldn't be added, as it's broadly understood to pay for itself already.
Yeah, that little cabinet of IOUs.
Nothing a printing press can't take care of, no need to worry. |

Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
133
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Posted - 2012.05.09 23:22:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Social Security shouldn't be added, as it's broadly understood to pay for itself already. Yeah, that little cabinet of IOUs. Nothing a printing press can't take care of, no need to worry.
First of all, Social Security is paid for by a separate tax. It doesn't contribute to the national deficit, because it is funded as its own thing, directly from those taxes. Secondly, it's invested in US Treasury Bonds, which beat inflation. So yeah, it does pay for itself. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
722
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Posted - 2012.05.10 00:02:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Social Security shouldn't be added, as it's broadly understood to pay for itself already. Yeah, that little cabinet of IOUs. Nothing a printing press can't take care of, no need to worry. First of all, Social Security is paid for by a separate tax. It doesn't contribute to the national deficit, because it is funded as its own thing, directly and wholly from those taxes. In other words, no extra funds from the general budget are added toward Social Security. Secondly, it's invested in US Treasury Bonds, which beat inflation. So yeah, it does pay for itself. And that's why it's misleading to add Social Security to Medicare when we're talking about the general budget of the federal government. One pays for itself while the other does not (certain parts of Medicare require the explicit release of funds by Congress, above and beyond special taxes that fund Part A).
Hahaha, yeah, ok. |

Debiru
Flashpoint Industries Imperial Hull Tankers
10
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:05:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Social Security shouldn't be added, as it's broadly understood to pay for itself already. Yeah, that little cabinet of IOUs. Nothing a printing press can't take care of, no need to worry. lul?
lul.
A sad, sad lul. |

Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
133
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:29:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Hahaha, yeah, ok.
I'll take that as an "I understand." |

Kin Dahl
Last Exit.
4
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:32:00 -
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Honestly, it comes down to regulating and taxing corporations to 2% profit. Unionize every work force, police, firefighters, nurses, labour. No one make over million.
Heal the environment, cure cancer, cure aids, and finally have a one world objective. SOLAR SYSTEM COLONIZATION.
As human beings we are more concerned with TMZ and Teen Mom.
Eventually the technology age will peak and change us just like the industrial revolution, the wheel, and fire.
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Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Liberty Trident L I B E R T Y
4
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:20:00 -
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Clearly station trading needs a serious nerf on the next expansion. Or it should be removed entirely and become a null sec exclusive. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:41:00 -
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ITT station trading makes you rich - but also delusional |

Lord Drokoth
DARKNESS RISING. Side Effect.
18
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Posted - 2012.05.10 11:59:00 -
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Johnny Frecko wrote: You cannot make 200-300M per hour on a steady basis station trading. there are a few traders that cross the 1B a day, but i think it's a handful.
Sorry but yes you can. Most of my friends make 300m plus a day and I make between 1.8 to 2.5 bill a day with a record of 10.5 b peak in one day. It's not hard. And I don't think I'm particularly unique either. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
725
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:32:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Hahaha, yeah, ok. I'll take that as an "I understand."
You do whatever you need to do to maintain your illusions, should be easy enough to do for an obvious statist who happily ignores BLS manipulations. |

Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
133
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:37:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:You do whatever you need to do to maintain your illusions, should be easy enough to do for an obvious statist who happily ignores BLS manipulations.
Well, I presented what are generally referred to as facts, and you presented "Pfft!"
Forgive me for rushing to an interpretation. Obviously both of these viewpoints are equally valid. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
725
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:43:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:You do whatever you need to do to maintain your illusions, should be easy enough to do for an obvious statist who happily ignores BLS manipulations. Well, I presented what are generally referred to as facts, and you presented "Pfft!" Forgive me for rushing to an interpretation. Obviously both of these viewpoints are equally valid.
Please go discover how the inflation measure has been changed over the years and get back to me. |

Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
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Posted - 2012.05.10 13:59:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Barakach wrote: Social Security plus Medicare plus Welfare combined, doesn't even come close to our yearly war expenditures.
SS plus medicare is 498 billion over defense. Def is 738B, SS is 738B. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/02/01/us/budget.htmlAgree on your point about cutting defense though, no point in fighting a bunch of silly wars that are not necessary.
War expenditures are NOT part of the budget, so don't link anything about the budget. |

Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic
22
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:09:00 -
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Lord Drokoth wrote:Johnny Frecko wrote: You cannot make 200-300M per hour on a steady basis station trading. there are a few traders that cross the 1B a day, but i think it's a handful.
Sorry but yes you can. Most of my friends make 300m plus a day and I make between 1.8 to 2.5 bill a day with a record of 10.5 b peak in one day. It's not hard. And I don't think I'm particularly unique either.
As i said, you cannot make 200-300M PER HOUR, station treading, on a steady basis(like the message said). You might have good days, you might have better days, but to consistently pull 300M PER HOUR doing nothing but station trading is incredibly difficult, to the point i would say is impossible.
the key word is consistently. Also, I know people that make 1B a day, they don't play 3 hours a day for those days(station trading, taht is.)
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
128
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Posted - 2012.05.10 22:27:00 -
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Johnny Frecko wrote:Lord Drokoth wrote:Johnny Frecko wrote: You cannot make 200-300M per hour on a steady basis station trading. there are a few traders that cross the 1B a day, but i think it's a handful.
Sorry but yes you can. Most of my friends make 300m plus a day and I make between 1.8 to 2.5 bill a day with a record of 10.5 b peak in one day. It's not hard. And I don't think I'm particularly unique either. As i said, you cannot make 200-300M PER HOUR, station treading, on a steady basis(like the message said). You might have good days, you might have better days, but to consistently pull 300M PER HOUR doing nothing but station trading is incredibly difficult, to the point i would say is impossible. the key word is consistently. Also, I know people that make 1B a day, they don't play 3 hours a day for those days(station trading, taht is.)
This thread has something to do with T2 BPO's getting nerfed? |
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