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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.04.30 03:33:00 -
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If I'm reading the op correctly what he wants to do is primarily rat and then occasionaly engage in some opportunistic pvp. So when that bastage who entered local and commenced ruining the chains he had so metuculously set up he can direction scan to see what ship it is. If its like the majority of low sec ratters it will be some flavor of a frigate or destroyer that can easily be crushed or maybe a lucky miner/hauler kill. So with that in mind here is a nice setup that permaruns all mods for pve and lasts 5+ minutes with the warp disruptor activated in a pvp situation. 300+ dps and 24k ehp with the resists concentrated on the common types you will most likely encounter. For pve the shield part should never get close to breaking and the combined regen of a full shield and the armor buffer should see the demise of the majority of pve fitted ratting ships cruiser and lower well before you pop. Use the small repper to off the armor and the repper bot to fix any damaged drones at a safespot after a close fight and then go do it again.
[Arbitrator, Low sec ratter/pvp]
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
10MN Afterburner II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Ultraviolet M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Ultraviolet M
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Flameburst Light Missile
Salvager II
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I
Hammerhead II x6
Vespa EC-600 x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot II x1
Warrior II x7
 Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.04.30 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow
thats a pretty awesome fit zeba
Fixed.
So I nailed his use for it and gave him an excellent if unconventional fit. It will totaly cream the same competing ratters that the more normal 1600 plate arbi can and has a lovely self regenerating buffer for the pve so he doesn't have to dock up every now and again to rep the armor buffer when the normal unbuffed arbi shield goes *poof* after a couple belts of rats. Will it kill a pvp fit cruiser or battecruiser like the arbi 1600 plate setup has a very slim chance of doing? No it won't but thats not what he wants to do. He wants to pop those other annoying interfereing ratters as he *efficiently* rats the day away and he can do it easily with my setup. The Arbitrator is one of the most versatile ships as long as you can work outside the box for the fit you need to compliment its wanted role.
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.01 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Zeba
Poast
Anything resembling a PvP/PvE hyrbid fit is bound to fail terribly.
Terrible buffer, lolz AB and the fact you aren't using a tracking disruptor makes its a fail PvP ship. If he wants to do both, keep it as close as humanly possible to full on PvP setup (as far as my setup, slap a repper on it and viola, a decent PvP ship that can rat).
Well you are either trolling or are one of those guys who can't see a viable fit past his fc's post on what to bring to a pos bash with an extra special section for the cannon fodder on how to fit it in the corp forums. Both probably.
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.01 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 01/05/2009 07:33:53
Ok I'll pose a little test to you. Instead of spouting all this eft warrior rehtoric why don't you post some real numbers and situations in which your fit will be a pvp star. Oh wait by the time you mwd to your target your cap is gone so all you have left is the drones. Whoops end of pvp fight as they will just warp away or moar likey pop your ship.
So here is my critique of your PeeVeePee ship setup.
1~You have pathetic dps plus your cap use is outrageously high for what you get out of the small neuts whose amusingly short range made you mwd over to your target and eat up all the cap so now you can't use them anyways or even the mods to hold your target down or the speed to use the td bonus effectively.
2~Your mwd arbi goes all of 1100ms and accelerates very slowly so unless you happen to warp on top of your target or it is afk it will get away every single time.
3~Rats will tear you a new one as all belt rats have a mwd and some even have a scram and will immediatly rush to their optimal so if you try to mwd and tank the rats your sig bloom will eat your total buffer up almost as quick as the mwd eats your cap.
4~The miracle happens and you warp ontop of someone with nearly full cap and luck of all luck they have no web point or neut.
Even luckier we managed to lock him up in small nuet range so we now have a web point td and neuts on him and orbiting at about 4500meters and the drones are out.
So now it branches to three possible scenarious and you have 52 seconds of cap if you don't use the mwd and about 15~20 seconds if you do.
4a~Frigate: Probable kill though even with the web and nuets your not going to hold him long as his base webbed speed will be greater than your base unwebbed speed. If he has a clue and hits the ab or mwd he will have an almost 100% chance to get away as even three small nuets take a couple of cycles to cap out a frigate. Also if you try to pulse your mwd to keep the range down you will cap out in seconds and lose your point and web.
4b~Destroyer: If he is smart he will target and pop your drones as he inches out of your cap starved arbi's web range and eventually gets away.
4c~Crusier: You will never hold and solo kill any cruiser in the game that has any decent pvp or pve fit period with your setup. Morons maybe but hey you can acomplish that in a newb ship.
Wow only four points to show how remarkably ineffective at pve your setup is and how much of a deathtrap your setup will be if he even thinks about solo pvping in it. So in conclusion whilst my setup is not the optimal setup for a solo pvp boat its totally capable of fullfilling the op's intended use of ratting with a good chance of killing all three ship classes if he can get close enough on the warp in. Plus he doesn't even need to kill them really as most ratters even in a larger ship will vacate the system quick when a cruiser locks them up in a belt and goes flashy red. I mean you never know whats waiting in the next system if you get pointed so he can play on that paranoia too.
I'm wondering if you even play the game now and have seen any pvp cause the op's arbi fit was a real pvp fit unlike yours. Hell its even fail in a gang because you can't hold range and keep your mods running for any reasonble amount of time.
Now on to another misconception is the lovely mandatory mwd fit that is the only way to fit for pvp. Well up to a point this is true but you have to realise the reason the fc wants you to fit it is so if you get caught in a bubble then the whole fleet can mwd back to the gate and have a greater chance of saving more ships than an ab fit would do or as a gang to more quickly cover distance and engage other targets with the gang. However this player is ratting in a belt in low sec where a solo 1600mm plate cruiser is going to get pointed and webbed by a gate camp regardless of its 1100ms mwd speed so on this solo fit cruiser its a total waste of time and fittings.
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.01 09:01:00 -
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Wow you guys are just totally ignoring the op and have wandered off on some ultimate arbi solo pvp fit to pwn them all that sucks at pve with when all the poor guy wants to do is efficiently kill low sec rats and scare off the competition with maybe a lucky killmail in the process. Artemis's setup was 100% fail for everything be it pvp or pve and I have pointed that out in my wall of tl;dr text. My setup on the other hand is 100% effective at pve and will easily pwn the targets the op has in mind at best or drive them off at worst. FFS go get a room in CAOD and fap some moar over your lucky break with the whole harrgoth, bob and delve show and plan some moar blob operations whilst playing follow the leader as you dance to mittens.mp3. So in conclusion let the people who actually play the game with thier own mind do the thinking and give the advice here and leave the smarmy goonie cannon fodder drivel to local. 
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.03 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
worst troll i've ever seen. 0/10
Too obvious and relys upon the already discredited poasters opinions above for certification. -10/10
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.04 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kessiaan
Originally by: Zeba
... godawful Arbi fit...
My ratting Enyo will rip this fit to shreds. Which is what the OP should be doing if he wants a dual-purpose ship. Unlike T1 cruisers, AFs can rat pretty well in standard pvp fits, when someone shows up all you have to do is switch ammo types (should you decide to engage, of course)
Way to read the op. Your Enyo is going to shred pretty much any t1 cruiser regardless so you are going to be one of the players he avoids.
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.04 04:13:00 -
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Glad its working for you. 
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.04 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
worst troll i've ever seen. 0/10
Too obvious and relys upon the already discredited poasters opinions above for certification. -10/10
UNACCEPTABLE
Vegeta! What is his troll level!?!?!
Originally by: SuiJuris
Ruptures should be right in line with what a arbitrator can kill. Fit Tracking disruptors, with 2 tracking disruptors the inc damage from a ruptures guns = nil and your drones should be able to handle his drones easily.
One would think that but alas it is just not the case. A rupture is going to web you and just bore right in killing your trans and rendering even 2 bonused td worthless as his drones pop yours whilst the autocannons with their high tracking eat your buffer up like a fat kid eats cake. Avoid that ship in an arbi if you want to keep it as there is a reason its considered the top t1 pvp cruiser. Besides a td arbi especially a dual td arbi is a gang boat by nature so just handing down tried and tested knowledge that your new mates in the 24th will tell you anyways. 
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.04 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: SuiJuris
Zeba, how is his drones going to kill mine, I have access to more bandwidth and they're bonused... Ruptures are absolute beasts its true but a Arbi should do fine against them.
No solo arbi is going to reliably kill a rupture as the arbi simply isn't a very good solo pvp boat. It can be stretched into one if you go niche with your targets and fits but thats about it. As far as his drones killing yours a flight a warrior or hobgoblin II will eat even bonused mediums up alarmingly fast and since you don't dare try to kill his drones as you will not by applying any dps to his ship its out of the question anyways. Tbh mate I think you should stick to the primarily ratting agenda you stated and just try for the opportunity kills. Now once you get into fw a bit and make some friends to gang up with your arbi will be a welcome and effective ship but for now just pop the rats and try to stay low.
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.05 05:53:00 -
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Very nice. Looks like the 24th got a good deal.
Originally by: Achar Losa
i might be just a 6 year old stupid boy, but he's a CCP dev writing in the forums!
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