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Spurty Caldari Summer Summer Summer Fun	Posted - 2009.05.05 01:00:00 - [121] <-- full of win Originally by: Infinity Ziona Thus I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2009.05.05 11:51:00 - [122] Originally by: Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Remember salvage and LP in your figures. (slight troll following) But, Salvage isn't for the mission runner! It's for the brave ninja-salvager who sneaks in while the mission runner is occupied tanking the NPCs!.. -- Seriously: I too think that people would do L3 or stop. I wouldn't mind if the entire mission system would be redone, perhaps so that it is actually useful to be in a gang of humans, instead of a gang with your salvage-alt. In the meantime - boost Low-Sec/0.0 rewards. Not just LP, more money. Perhaps even show a sec-status multipler, so it's obvious you're getting more for doing it in dangerous systems?
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.05 12:05:00 - [123] Originally by: Poreuomai Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Poreuomai Quote: should lvl4 missions only be available in low sec? No, most mission runners would just farm L3s instead. That would be fine as the profits in high sec would drop. The main objection to mission running seems to be the lack of risk-vs-reward and the lack of player-player-competition. Yes and one half of risk-reward is the reward. You get less isk/time doing lvl 3's than lvl 4's. The risk from npc's is nonexistant in both cases, and you get about the same nonexistant risk from other players. If you want to introduce more competition you need more drastic changes to the mission system, like limited amount of missions available, rewards only in salvage/lp etc. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1.
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.05.05 12:15:00 - [124] Hell yes.
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.05 12:17:00 - [125] That would actually only saciate the whiners and haters for maybe 6 to 12 months. Then it'd be back to the boards to whine on how hi sec level 3 missions are too profitable and riskless and how they need to be nerfed.
Aylara	Posted - 2009.05.05 12:51:00 - [126] Yes, move the L4's to low sec. I don't mind if carebears will farm L3's instead.
Andre Marconius Gallente House Of Troy	Posted - 2009.05.05 13:06:00 - [127] Stick all the high-quality agents in low-sec but increase the spread of the agents. For example, Material Acquisition have their headquarters in elore which has a single L1 agent., but in babrimoult a few jumps away there are 4 L4 quality 20 agents in one station..... Who f*cking came up with that? What do they use to spread butter on their bread? A bloody paintbrush?
Gevic	Posted - 2009.05.05 14:03:00 - [128] ITT, people who insist upon the good 'Ole Massively Singleplayer Experience. "Please, please don't nerf my isk printing press" "RISK? OMG! in EVE? NO WAI, TEAMWORK?!? What's that?" Also lol@Nullsec being safer than highsec and the people who want even more space to safehug. The troll from the person in huzzah federation was pretty good, but no one bit =( But let's be real, CCP already painted themselves into a corner when they introduced level 4s in high sec, and then proceeded to nerf their difficulty. They aren't going to revise in any other way than to provide more chaff for the hordes to chew, so they can run around in their shiny mission ships and enjoy the EVE EXPERIENCE (lol). A solution to actually try and fix that stupid system would be to revise it so it's similar to the FW mission system (sans having to travel 10 flipping jumps). You know, having actual players interact and compete AGAINST one another. Maybe all of those mission running corps would be good for something other than whineposts when they get wardecced by an empire war corp. P.S. finals suck, nerf that please.
Mah Jor	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:08:00 - [129] <stupid carebear ideas here> How about removing Concord effect from mission deadspace (due to some anomaly or whatever) so mission runners can be attacked in highsec? Add (hostile?) player limit to mish dspace to avoid getting blobbed on your spare time and/or make missions doable with pvp fittings to make fighting back viable? shrug just some random/silly thoughts.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:12:00 - [130] Originally by: Mah Jor <stupid carebear ideas here> How about removing Concord effect from mission deadspace (due to some anomaly or whatever) so mission runners can be attacked in highsec? Add (hostile?) player limit to mish dspace to avoid getting blobbed on your spare time and/or make missions doable with pvp fittings to make fighting back viable? shrug just some random/silly thoughts. I can see the future.... its filled with carebear tears and ragequit posts. And yea this is my sig. Real PVP'ers only use f1.
Jor Mah	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:18:00 - [131] Edited by: Jor Mah on 05/05/2009 16:22:30 I can see the future.... its filled with carebear tears and ragequit posts. For whatever reason that tickled my funnybone :D Anyhoo.. How about making pvp fits more viable for low-sec missions somehow? To give pve'rs a fighting chance when jumped? And some kind of sleeper AI deal to make some rats focus on the pirate? Or would we then get pirate ragequit posts? Edit: meh, changed posting character.. Well, the name is still similar, so shrug
Matrix Skye Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.05.05 16:57:00 - [132] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 05/05/2009 16:57:43 Originally by: Esmenet I can see the future.... its filled with carebear tears and ragequit posts. If you're looking for tears why wait for the future when you have whiners begging CCP to send them carebears to lo sec now. Oh I forgot... Your own tears don't fuel your spaceship.
Kingtemplar	Posted - 2009.05.05 17:01:00 - [133] Ok so lets see CCP gives you FW so you can have more low sec (but thats too hard because you have fight gangs) then CCP gives you WH but thats not good enough. Pirates are only happy when they can gank a new player who busy fighting npcs in an unfair fight.
Ruze Ahkor'Murkon Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2009.05.05 17:18:00 - [134] Originally by: Kingtemplar Ok so lets see CCP gives you FW so you can have more low sec (but thats too hard because you have fight gangs) then CCP gives you WH but thats not good enough. Pirates are only happy when they can gank a new player who busy fighting npcs in an unfair fight. You don't have to be a pirate to take part and enjoy PvP, and there's a very distinct difference between a pirate and a ganker. The two are NOT the same thing. No more than being an 'industrialist' automatically makes you a 'carebear' who will do everything under his power to avoid having to defend himself. Industrialists exist in all parts of EvE, and often take part in PvP or at least don't shirk from it (getting your hulk out of the way of an incoming gang is just playing smart, not being a carebear). Pirates also exist in all parts of EvE, and make a profession out of stealing, theiving, lying, scamming, and generally wrecking your ship or ransoming you. Industrialist =/= Carebear Pirate =/= Ganker EvE = Everyone versus Everyone Posts by Ruze Ahkor'Murkon and Ruze
Jukhta Mein Thunderbolts	Posted - 2009.05.05 17:33:00 - [135] Nerfing level 4 missions may not be such a bad idea. It may encourage more participation in wormholes.
Napolean Blownapart	Posted - 2009.05.05 18:21:00 - [136] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 05/05/2009 16:57:43 Originally by: Esmenet I can see the future.... its filled with carebear tears and ragequit posts. If you're looking for tears why wait for the future when you have whiners begging CCP to send them carebears to lo sec now. Oh I forgot... Your own tears don't fuel your spaceship. SNAP!
Overseer Aliena Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.05 18:36:00 - [137] Five pages of people being trolled. Simply incredible.
Hariya	Posted - 2009.05.05 18:51:00 - [138] Originally by: Jukhta Mein Nerfing level 4 missions may not be such a bad idea. It may encourage more participation in wormholes. No. It would encourage more participation in level 3 missions. They may be easier, but you can do several of them in the same time frame which counter-balances their suckyness pretty nicely. Just bring in a battleship with good skills and most of them last only 5 minutes.

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