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Rexorol Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen 0	Posted - 2012.05.08 02:49:00 - [1] - Quote I've been trying to prep myself for wormhole life for nearly a year now across 3 characters. My main has dumped a lot of skillpoints into Tengu-related skills and should be ready to rock in the stereotypical cloaky site raider hull soon. My secondary has specialized heavily into scanning and all of the other exploration skills, covert ops, and will be in a support Proteus and sentry Ishtar soon. My newest scavenger alt is about to be finished training up into a cloaky orca to act as a mobile base and booster. All 3 of these guys will be ready to go in a couple of weeks. All the while I've been prepping for wormhole life I've been living very cheaply, raking in slow but comfortable cash with level 4s, throwing in mission mining or grav site mining or other exploration when I got bored. I don't make a lot of money hourly, but if I got around to selling all the excess ships I've built from reprocessed loot and ore, plus faction gear I've harvested from anomalies I probably have around 10-12 billion in assets I could cash out and completely pimp my T3 cruisers and Orca with. I should have asked this before, but is it worth the risk? I've never been good about spamming Dscan, usually avoid PVP like the plague, and found faction warfare frustrating and lost way too many stealth bombers and cruisers when I tried it. I've skimmed some of the wormhole guides and know I can make tons of isk, but if I throw all my assets into one basket literally to try to pull this off, how likely will it be I get podded and lose all 3 ships and everything I've spent building up the last year in preparation? Do the risks outweigh the rewards? Am I just asking to get frustrated and lose everything if I try to jump in solo and teach myself to shift gears from high-sec life to wormhole life without a corp or POS or anything to back me up?
Patrinella Vetaris The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion. 3	Posted - 2012.05.08 02:58:00 - [2] - Quote If you only plan on ninja wormholing (living without a sustaining pos) you only need your tengu alt to do the sites, then get out. However, sooner or later you will lose your tengu ship doing this. With a pos, your efforts to maintain it will be a laborious process without corp members to fully utilize it. I reccomend joining a WH corp to get your feet wet, then if u want to be more independent at least have a back-up corp.
Jack Miton Bite Me inc Exhale. 263	Posted - 2012.05.08 02:59:00 - [3] - Quote WHs are not solo friendly. Join a WH corp if you want to play in WHs. That's the best advise I can give you.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 202	Posted - 2012.05.08 03:10:00 - [4] - Quote What I can tell you is I did the opposite. I got intrigued early on with wormholes and moved into one before I was even ready really. It was just a C1, but I had only been playing 5 months and my best C1 ship was a myrmidon. What I experienced was beyong my wildest dreams, for a played of my age. I came out of that wormhole maybe 5 months later with 3 toons. 2 good tengu toons and this one can now fly a Proteus. Not to mention a fleet of T3's, 20 bil in assets and 7 bil in isk. Yes wormholes are dangerous. Yes they are risky. But they are highly profitable. And I only saw the tip of the profit iceberg. As for PVP. I tended to shy away from PVP, mostly due to the cost of ship replacement. PVP takes on a whole new feeling when you have the isk to burn. Last month I jumped in late to a fleet op with a wartarget. I grabbed my proteus (not the best choice but I was running late). I got primaried by 5 carriers and melted, even with all the logi on me. Poof, probably at least 800mil gone in minutes. Didn't even think twice. (nice feeling). Things I loved about WH's 1. Unpredicable and changing. It was something new every day. 2. Risky. Good to keep the excitement of the game up. 3. PROFITABLE. I've been chilling in HS the last 4 months. Mostly due to RL kicking my rear. I have a hard time even bothering with LVL 4 missions at this point, Ive gotten so spoiled. As soon as RL settles down I'll be diving back in though.
Miles Parabellum The Grindmonkeys 3	Posted - 2012.05.08 07:56:00 - [5] - Quote You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich?
Joran Jackson The Red Circle Inc. 20	Posted - 2012.05.08 08:13:00 - [6] - Quote Miles Parabellum wrote: You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich? 10b in a WH is 3 fleet fights.
Godfrey Silvarna Stargates and Smuggler Barons 6	Posted - 2012.05.08 08:19:00 - [7] - Quote You probably can pull a solo operation off... but EVE is a really ****** and/or boring game for soloing, so in addition to being safer and more profitable, joining or founding a corp is likely to be much more fun as well.
Phrank Phish Black Viper Nomads 4	Posted - 2012.05.08 08:20:00 - [8] - Quote Miles Parabellum wrote: You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich? I could never understand that mentality, to aquire wealth simply to look at it and say you have it, but dont use it. I probably made 50b out of c5's and spent every last isk. Back on topic: Join a corp and have them teach you the tricks of wormhole life. There are lots of ways to make you more safe, but nothing is 100% and you will lose it all eventually. Dont worry though, if you persist there is a huge stack of isk to make.
Substantia Nigra NFI industrial 720	Posted - 2012.05.08 08:51:00 - [9] - Quote w-space is absolutely worth the risk, but it is also not for everyone. The risk can be managed and minimised with care and experience ... but never goes away and occasionally bad stuff just happens. W-space is great for 'solo' work, whatever opinions others may hold, but solo w-space work is even more "not for everyone". You can earn the occasional isk, but it's pretty demanding and very unforgiving ... and very satisfying. Some ppl prefer big gangs and that, others do not. So, yes, w-space has a place for you ... if you're up to it :-) ofc my 'solo' is semi-solo small-gang of alts all belonging to me. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread
Oxandrolone Bite Me inc Exhale. 36	Posted - 2012.05.08 08:57:00 - [10] - Quote just join a wormhole corp mate and not a low class one. tbh i cant recomend any but join a corp that atleast lives in a c5 so you can cap escalate sites. you should be making atleast 100m an hour here with some tengus and a carrier. when you start escalating with 2 dreads, 2 carriers and a loki then isk flows like water. you will need some scan skills, preferably on an alt

Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 737	Posted - 2012.05.08 10:34:00 - [11] - Quote You'll never be ready for wormholes if you are not ready for PVP. Sounds just like a gank waiting to happen, tbh. PVP is just an attitude, technically you are ready as soon as you can fit a point and some kind of damage-dealing modules. Wormhole space is mostly full of people for whom the risk itself is the reward. ISK is just a method to continue enjoying the risk. This said, you are most warmly welcome to the unknown In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
Archdaimon NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred 56	Posted - 2012.05.08 10:58:00 - [12] - Quote Why go alone when you can play with others, right? This is a multiplayer game afterall. That is what I learned. Living in anything with hi sec static is primarily for doing PI in large amount as the amount of visitors is pretty large. c-1 to 3 can't really support at big enough fleet for that to be funny. C4 wh of sorts is probably best if you are in a small corp or else the best advice, join an existing corp.
Hatt0ri Hanz0 Life sucks then you die Ltd. 26	Posted - 2012.05.08 12:30:00 - [13] - Quote Join a corp. Learn all the ins and outs, and mechanics you need to know to survive, before heading out on your own. If you're risk adverse, this is the best way to go.
Kyros Xero Xuronautics 13	Posted - 2012.05.08 14:08:00 - [14] - Quote Rexorol wrote: ....if I throw all my assets into one basket literally to try to pull this off, how likely will it be I get podded and lose all 3 ships and everything I've spent building up the last year in preparation? Do the risks outweigh the rewards? Am I just asking to get frustrated and lose everything if I try to jump in solo and teach myself to shift gears from high-sec life to wormhole life without a corp or POS or anything to back me up? Being successful solo in wormholes is definitely possible. It's not an easy path and not a good semi-afk option, but when done right and approached with the right mentality it can be fun and profitable. As far as ship losses, you will definitely lose ships so spending lots of ISK to pimp things out right from the start would be a horrible idea. If you're truly risk adverse, you could even downship your trio into something like BC/CovOps/SalvageDestroyer and go into a C1 to get some practical experience on the cheap while still making ISK. POS Layered Defenses: "Panic" mode and defense-automation arrays
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1522	Posted - 2012.05.08 14:46:00 - [15] - Quote Read my "wormhole nomad" thread :) It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
Klarion Sythis Bite Me inc Exhale. 10	Posted - 2012.05.08 14:49:00 - [16] - Quote The rewards are there, but the risk must be tempered with preparation. Not being good at religiously spamming D-Scan is a red flag to me. You may not like pvp, but if you don't learn to love that button, you're going to get pvp'd (read: murdered) a lot more than you'd like.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 121	Posted - 2012.05.08 15:04:00 - [17] - Quote Klarion Sythis wrote: The rewards are there, but the risk must be tempered with preparation. Not being good at religiously spamming D-Scan is a red flag to me. You may not like pvp, but if you don't learn to love that button, you're going to get pvp'd (read: murdered) a lot more than you'd like. evn with dscan, there's a lot of cloaky bad guys who can pin you long enough for their gang to arrive. imo, the only way to be 'safe enough' in anything more expensive than a drake is to either be in a sufficiently strong gang or to have a scan alt constantly scanning the entire system.
Myz Toyou Bite Me inc Exhale. 94	Posted - 2012.05.08 15:10:00 - [18] - Quote The best thing to get over your "being risk adverse" problem is to just simply get this mindset: Every ship I undock is already lost If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you.
Klarion Sythis Bite Me inc Exhale. 10	Posted - 2012.05.08 15:19:00 - [19] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Klarion Sythis wrote: The rewards are there, but the risk must be tempered with preparation. Not being good at religiously spamming D-Scan is a red flag to me. You may not like pvp, but if you don't learn to love that button, you're going to get pvp'd (read: murdered) a lot more than you'd like. evn with dscan, there's a lot of cloaky bad guys who can pin you long enough for their gang to arrive. imo, the only way to be 'safe enough' in anything more expensive than a drake is to either be in a sufficiently strong gang or to have a scan alt constantly scanning the entire system. True, but the point I meant to make is that spamming D-Scan is the most basic defense. If someone can't see themselves doing that, then other measures are probably out the window and they'll just be a space pi+¦ata.
Radelix Cisko The Adjustment Team 90	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:23:00 - [20] - Quote Myz Toyou wrote: Every ship I undock is already lost If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you. This is true

Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 202	Posted - 2012.05.08 18:32:00 - [21] - Quote Radelix Cisko wrote: Myz Toyou wrote: Every ship I undock is already lost If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you. This is true Heh, IRL I fly model RC planes. Same mentality. It's not if you will crash, it's when. Go in with that attitude and it hurts less when you splatter the thing all over the ground.
Qui Shon Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance 5	Posted - 2012.05.08 20:38:00 - [22] - Quote Rexorol wrote: I should have asked this before, but is it worth the risk? I've never been good about spamming Dscan, usually avoid PVP like the plague, and found faction warfare frustrating and lost way too many stealth bombers and cruisers when I tried it. I've skimmed some of the wormhole guides and know I can make tons of isk, but if I throw all my assets into one basket literally to try to pull this off, how likely will it be I get podded and lose all 3 ships and everything I've spent building up the last year in preparation? Do the risks outweigh the rewards? Am I just asking to get frustrated and lose everything if I try to jump in solo and teach myself to shift gears from high-sec life to wormhole life without a corp or POS or anything to back me up? I started by joining a corp, but this was before anyone knew anything about wormholes. Today, with such multitudes of guides ruining the "unknown" factor of unknown space, I might well go at it alone if I started now. At least for a while. My first solo venture in May 2009 (Apocrypha release date March 2009), was a C6 with C3 exit (J104921), where I mined, yes, mined , harvested gas and did the C3 anoms and plexes through the exit. I had two combat pilots and an Orca/miner, later another miner. There's no need to pimp anything, it just makes you that much sweeter a target. But if you want to then go ahead. I used T1 battleships for both PvE and PvP, although at the time I tried to avoid most pvp, given how vulnerable I was. So anyway, one evening this "Czech PvP corp" opened up to me, and later when I tried to close their wh with Orca + two bs, they noticed and ships started showing up. As I rushed my (then) expensive Riverbarge of an Orca back, an inty jumped through to my side and got point on it before it could warp. The ensuing fight was my NeutDomi and PulseBaddon vs their two Recons, HIC, Inty, and some other ship, where I was desperately trying to free my Orca before more of them showed up. At this point I had all my isk in the venture, and no extra scanning alts yet, so if they podded all three of my chars there and then, I would lose everything, including the pos and everything in it. Somehow I managed to kill one of their recons and drive the other ships away, and got all my ships away and to the safety of my pos shields, just moments before they brought more and bigger ships to kill me. And let me tell you, this was one of the greatest feelings I've had in Eve. Not because the fight was spectacular by itself, the kb record looks like a simple gank of one recon. It was precisely because I had all my eggs in one basket, because I could NOT afford to lose what I flew, because I saw myself as the underdog and extremely vulnerable one at that, and because I would lose everything if I lost that one fight. I've since risked some 13-16bn setups (multiple ships + pods) in single gang fights, I've lost bn isk ships, killed multiple 4-7bn isk enemy ships, including one capital with officer mods, but I have never felt as good as those early days when I had everything I owned on the line, with no backup, no help to call for, just luck, my wits and by todays standards, cheap as chips T2 fit T1 ships. So I say go for it. You can't win (=great experience) big unless you risk big. And if things don't go well, I hope I'm the one who gets you :P
Maul555 Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies 86	Posted - 2012.05.09 02:33:00 - [23] - Quote Myz Toyou wrote: The best thing to get over your "being risk adverse" problem is to just simply get this mindset: Every ship I undock is already lost If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you. I live by this rule for anything I take into lowsec, 0.0, wormholes, and during wars. It has served me well.
Mattalious The Marmarati 0	Posted - 2012.05.09 10:36:00 - [24] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Radelix Cisko wrote: Myz Toyou wrote: Every ship I undock is already lost If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you. This is true Heh, IRL I fly model RC planes. Same mentality. It's not if you will crash, it's when. Go in with that attitude and it hurts less when you splatter the thing all over the ground. Ahuh, even long term residents will occasionally **** up. I did it a few weeks back when a corp mate unwittingly scarred the berjesus out of me with a renamed prober. I warped out on the third wave of a Barracks, utterly forgetting that the frigs wap scram you. One Tengu got out, and the one didn't. It just occasionally happens. Though (touch wood) we haven't lost any Tengus to PvP ever in our current corp.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1210	Posted - 2012.05.09 13:41:00 - [25] - Quote I've lived in a WH for a while a few years ago and I have good/bad souvenirs, I've chosen null sec for several reasons but living in a WH requires more than just a POS atm. Several WH alliances are a good choice, doing it alone it's very risky and doesn't matter how much isk you have or experience in game this is one aspect of Eve that I strongly recommend to do it with experienced corps so you have good tools to succeed. WH is quite simple, either you make the good choice and can cash it up nicely, even with huge isk amounts of losses, or you can just loose. Yes you can solo some, but if you're not experienced in those your losses will almost never be covered with those poor benefits you can do. Just an opinion.
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 88	Posted - 2012.05.09 15:43:00 - [26] - Quote Joran Jackson wrote: Miles Parabellum wrote: You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich? 10b in a WH is 3 fleet fights. 10bil in a wh is 45-60 of carebearing each day for a week. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country.
TotalRapeage Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.05.15 10:15:00 - [27] - Quote Phrank Phish wrote: Miles Parabellum wrote: You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich? I could never understand that mentality, to aquire wealth simply to look at it and say you have it, but dont use it. I probably made 50b out of c5's and spent every last isk. Back on topic: Join a corp and have them teach you the tricks of wormhole life. There are lots of ways to make you more safe, but nothing is 100% and you will lose it all eventually. Dont worry though, if you persist there is a huge stack of isk to make. lololololol 10-12bil is chump change...
Seishi Maru doMAL S.A. 2	Posted - 2012.05.15 15:19:00 - [28] - Quote Radelix Cisko wrote: Myz Toyou wrote: Every ship I undock is already lost If you fly with this attitude every ISK/kill made with this ship will be a win for you. This is true but very likely you will not undock so much :P
Frothgar V0LTA Verge of Collapse 28	Posted - 2012.05.15 16:07:00 - [29] - Quote Joran Jackson wrote: Miles Parabellum wrote: You have 10-12 bil in assets, and you want to get rich? 10b in a WH is 3 fleet fights. More like 1.2 fleet fights ;)
Jessie-A Tassik Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 197	Posted - 2012.05.15 23:04:00 - [30] - Quote Are you trying to get yourself to ragequit? Then start out using a Tengu and Orca. If you don't want to rage-quit, fly cheap ships till you learn what you are doing. Also, join a WH Alliance..... but you might want to do some homework before you do. You can also pre-scout a wormhole with an Alt. Get an Iteron Mark V and put Expanded Cargo Hold I, normal medium shield extender, prototype cloak and a basic probe launcher and probes. Then fill your cargo hold with say 10 large secure containers. Go fly to a planets Customs Office and go get a drink. Come back 10 minutes later. Is the Iteron dead or not?



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