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Therow
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Posted - 2009.05.04 23:21:00 -
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So, a corp holds this t1 cruiser tourney (no faction mods i guess?) every so often, winner gets blah blah blah right?
Well i was thinking about it, and looking into eft, and the best ship i can think of 1v1 any other cruiser would be a
Blackbird with -
Highs:
2 Heavy msl bays
1 Standard msl bay
1 med. smart-bomb ( for cruisers that have drones )
Mids:
1 Afterburner
1 Scrambler
1 Web
2 Hypnos ecm's
1 Cap booser @ 200 cap-charges
lows:
1 Dmg Controle
1 ballistic
Rigs:
2 Em shield resist rigs
1 explosive resist rig
Monstrosity i know huh? But i think this is one of the best setups for 1v1 in a t1 cruiser. On an added note, and this effects my setup, we are starting off at 20km! So i mean, i dont think i would need to run the afterburner for that long, i go about 500m/s.
Reasoning? -
I can lock down the target and keep him from doing ANY damage to me, secondly the smart-bomb will allow me to worry very little about t2 drones! The msls i have will just basicully plink away at the tank ( assuming they have any ) and the scram / web is only used to 1) De-activate any myd's they may have and 2) hold them in place so the msls hit em solidly. oh i also have about 8,000 effective hp buffer in case some drones nail me before the smartbomb kills em, and in case they get a volley in on me befor i lock them down.
Please let me know about what you think, or if there are any cruisers i should worry about, maybe set up differently? I do about 480 / volley with faction msls, but i dont have GREAT skills and all.
Thankies! 
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
SCUM.
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Posted - 2009.05.04 23:39:00 -
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The first time both jammers fail you're most likely going to get taken out. A gank cruiser with good skills will put out hundreds of DPS inside web range, regardless of whether they have drones or not. Your smartbomb DPS is going to be low, and will only require them to pull in drones after several cycles. If you turn your missiles on the drones then that'll help, but then you won't be hitting the opponent's ship.
Long story short a Blackbird with only two jammers as tank is going to require a lot of luck to beat another cruiser 1v1. Like, a lot.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.05.04 23:51:00 -
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1) Don't put hypnos jammers on a throwaway cruiser, each of them is worth more than the rest of your ship. Use T2 instead.
2) With a starting distance of 20km, you will never get in range with that AB unless you're fighting a ship that wants to get into range. A MWD cruiser (IOW, any non-comedy cruiser) will go 1500m/s or more.
Anyway, if you want to win a cruiser tournament, use this:
[Omen, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x3
Keep out of range of everything with your superior speed, and you'll get the killmail eventually.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.04 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 04/05/2009 23:56:16
Hah. I had a T1 cruiser tournament recently and I considered something similar. In the end I went for a Rax with ECM drones though.
I'd ditch the smart bomb for a start. Just go with missile launchers. Explosive damage is best vs. T1 armour tanks. EM vs. shields.
The MWD/AB thing would be a tricky decision on some ships but for you I'd say an MWD is probably preferable. None of your set-up requires you to be close. You can hopefully detackle with ECM. Two webs are sometimes better for these things than a web and scram btw. Some people will have ABs. A third ECM is probably best of all though here.
Wouldn't worry about them MWD'ing. It doesn't do much for missile damage. You really want to focus on staying out of their web (and thus gun) range.
Just focus on keeping them jammed and putting missiles into them.
Ah... are rigs allowed in the rules?  And named modules?
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Therow
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Posted - 2009.05.05 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Therow on 05/05/2009 00:11:32
You know, i have top ecm skills, i mean they are all 4 at least, most maxed at 5, so i think i could hold them with 2 t2 ecm mods at least. Also the thing is, the peeps will probably stay within the 20km distance, i can lock out at 90km and jam @ that as well! So i mean i can lock them down nice and tight really fast, only thing is the drones! Those are the only thingies i think i really need to worry about! I wont really need an mwd if they are staying within the 20km, because even if the msls dont hit them, and i cant hold them down with anything, the most that will happen is im stuck with a draw, and another adversary!
But i really like the suggestions, 2 webs may be my best bet, because warping off isnt allowed!
I can drop the smart-bomb, but wouldn't that really gimp me with the whole drone thing?
Those little things take a while to lock, and they would hurt hurt hurt by the time i get them locked and shoot-able wouldnt they?
And the only thingies allowed are t1 cruisers, with non-faction or officer mods. Nothing said about rigs at all.
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Sera Ryskin
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Posted - 2009.05.05 00:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Therow
I wont really need an mwd if they are staying within the 20km, because even if the msls dont hit them, and i cant hold them down with anything, the most that will happen is im stuck with a draw, and another adversary!
You don't need the MWD to keep them in range, you need it to keep them OUT of range. If you don't fit a MWD, that Thorax/Rupture/etc is going to MWD up to 500m, and then the moment you fail a jam cycle (and you will), you will insta-pop to 500+ dps.
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Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
OVERLOAD.
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.05.05 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sera Ryskin
1) Don't put hypnos jammers on a throwaway cruiser, each of them is worth more than the rest of your ship. Use T2 instead.
Not anymore, last time I checked they were almost down to t2 prices, given the better cap usage why not if you'd buy t2 anyway (or use rigs like your omen, which looks good btw).
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.05.05 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Asuka Smith on 05/05/2009 05:29:14
It will take five hammerhead Is 35 seconds to kill you. The vexor pilot in your tournament will carry two waves. Can you kill a wave of hammerheads in 17.5 seconds? If so you might stand a chance. If not then you stand literally 0% chance.
EDIT: If the Vexor pilot is using an optimal fit he will be able to perma-tank your pathetic DPS BTW.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2009.05.05 11:26:00 -
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Hmmm, is no one gonna bring up the fact hes is using a support ship to kill something? lol, go with a buffer moa mate
[Moa, Buffer]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x3
yeah I know, no tackle, blah blah blah, but its for his tourney, dunno if your willing to splash out on rigs for this but hey ho.
For real PvP, swap out the shield extender for a 24k point, stick in a rack of Duel 150mm Railgun II's, can melt most cruisers who use long range.
Have fun \o
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.05 11:42:00 -
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Quote:
Hmmm, is no one gonna bring up the fact hes is using a support ship to kill something? lol, go with a buffer moa mate
I'm kinda fascinated to hear if it works or not 
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.05.05 12:03:00 -
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whats up with these cruisers without tackle? do you seriously run tourneys where you arent allowed to warp out? that will cause all sorts of ****ed up fits.
Put in space whales!
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
PuPPet MasTers
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Posted - 2009.05.05 12:07:00 -
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If you're dead set on using a jamming ship for a pvp tourney, and assuming its no warpouts, fit a 1600mm plate in your low + dmg control/sig distortion amp, swap out the scram for another jammer, and stick some assault missile launchers on (the ones that fire light missiles) or some heavy missile launchers. The plate will give you a bit more of a buffer while you take out the drones, if you miss a jam cycle (more than likely) the dps oriented cruiser will probably melt you. AB or MWD is up to you, but bear in mind that most ships will be faster than you.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.05 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova
whats up with these cruisers without tackle? do you seriously run tourneys where you arent allowed to warp out? that will cause all sorts of ****ed up fits.
How would a 1vs1 tourney with warpouts even work? 
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity
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Posted - 2009.05.05 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Morel Nova on 05/05/2009 13:04:04
Originally by: TraininVain
Originally by: Morel Nova
whats up with these cruisers without tackle? do you seriously run tourneys where you arent allowed to warp out? that will cause all sorts of ****ed up fits.
How would a 1vs1 tourney with warpouts even work?
you could do it point based.
2 points for a win. -2 points for a loss. -1 if you warp out and +1 for the guy who stayed. have groups where you fight eachother and people with enough points go through to next round.. or something :D it does sound a bit complicated now that I think about it :D
Put in space whales!
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.05 13:57:00 -
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Weird ****ed up fits is part of the fun anyway.
Obviously they're not all going to be suitable for regular PVP but you're trying to skin a different cat.
It's entertaining to see what people bring.
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Therow
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Posted - 2009.05.05 18:12:00 -
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Well ... shoot ... maybe ill just fit out this ship perma lock down with res scripts, 1600 plate and the smartbomb to last out drones until they die? perma lock the other fools and just go for the tie?
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Saaya Illirie
Caldari
Core Element
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.05 18:18:00 -
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Use a Thorax, fit 5 EC-600's (that's a jam strength of 5, as good as the multi-specs). These will continue to jam the target, regardless of your capacitor, and regardless whether or not they jam you. You'll then have the full capacity to fit a full complement of blasters (or rails if you're worried about range) and a full tank.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.05.05 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Therow
Well ... shoot ... maybe ill just fit out this ship perma lock down with res scripts, 1600 plate and the smartbomb to last out drones until they die? perma lock the other fools and just go for the tie?
So you are going to fight in a tournament with the goal to get a tie out of the opponent? Not gonna get you anywhere I'd guess...
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.05.05 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: TraininVain
Originally by: Morel Nova
whats up with these cruisers without tackle? do you seriously run tourneys where you arent allowed to warp out? that will cause all sorts of ****ed up fits.
How would a 1vs1 tourney with warpouts even work?
warpout = a draw
you certainly didn't win, but your opponent failed to kill you, so it's a draw.
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.05 18:56:00 -
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If you had to warpout that's kind of conceding isn't it?
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Krist Valentine
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.05.06 17:36:00 -
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1v1d a setup similar to this in my rax the other day. it definitely gave me a run for my money (got me down to about 10% armor) but the second its lock broke (which it always would at some point when you dont do enough damage to get them killed in a real quick time) it was down.
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stu007
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Posted - 2009.05.10 11:53:00 -
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Yeah, I was considering a setup like this for a corp cruiser tournament, but in the end decided it wouldn't work. Its not too hard to tank the dps from just 2 missiles launchers for quite a while, and the minute your jammers fail, your going to get popped. I always take the precaution of carrying FOF missiles incase someone does come with a blackbird to cruiser tournament. In theory it could work, but it would probably be best to go for more dps, so less chance of jammers jailing.
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Avan Sercedos
Black Sheep United
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Posted - 2009.05.10 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Saaya Illirie
5 EC-600's (that's a jam strength of 5, as good as the multi-specs)
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Vim
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.05.11 16:26:00 -
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An ec-600 only have a jam strength of 1.5 each.
5*1.5!=7.5 strength.
Each is applied separatly.
So lets assume your fighting a blackbird and you got 5 of thoose buggers.
BB got 20(more then some bs) sensor strength.
1.5 vs 20 =7.5% chance to jam per cycle. but oh theres still 5 of them
Now, we cant do 7.5*5 to get a final percentage to jam another guy either(37ish %)
We have to stack em up. 100*0.925*0.925*0.925*0.925*0.925 =67 (0.925=7.5%)
100-67=33%
So, every cycle of five drones will jam a blackbird 33% of the time. Roughly. Right, not so far from 37%.
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Victoria Davion
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:29:00 -
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My corpie tried out a BB. Two shots from a deimos took him so far into hull that I had trouble pulling my drones off in time...
Listen to these guys. Once a gank machine like a ruppy or a 'rax gets on top of you (and they will) I'm afraid they will kill you.
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Kat Bandeis
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova
whats up with these cruisers without tackle? do you seriously run tourneys where you arent allowed to warp out? that will cause all sorts of ****ed up fits.
Points-based tourney aside, what the hell's the point of PVP tourney if you let someone run? You run, you lose, period. You entered to kill or be killed, not to panzy out and run...
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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 14/05/2009 00:04:16
Your BB setup posted in top will die to a thoraxs or vexors drones alone even if you perma jams those ships. Any competent drone cruiser pilot will have drones out and let them auto aggro you before you can start jamming.
Got Cooch?, solo PvP movie
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