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Sazuka Kirr Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.05.06 11:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Sazuka Kirr on 06/05/2009 11:58:36 I just opened the client and got the following message: Quote: An update for EVE Online is available. Do you want to download and install the update now? So I clicked yes and the download took about 20 seconds. The patching then begun, but stopped at about 60%. The patching window said: Quote: Verifying ...ns/EVE Online.app/Contents/version.plist A message popped up saying: Quote: Some of the files have been modified! Please re-install There was an option to view a log. After opening the log, the following lines (with SHA1 after them) were highlighted in red: Quote: Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Czech.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Danish.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Dutch.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/es_MX.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Finnish.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/French.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/German.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Greek.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Hungarian.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Italian.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Norwegian.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Polish.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Portuguese.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Preferences/config -> OK Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Preferences/tg_config_version -> OK Examining File : /Contents/Resources/pt_BR.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Russian.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Spanish.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Examining File : /Contents/Resources/Swedish.lproj/MainMenu.nib/keyedobjects.nib -> SHA1 Error Edit was to add quotes to make it easier to read.
Sazuka Kirr Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.05.06 11:54:00 - [2] Note that the patch seems to be optional ... click 'No' when it asks to patch twice and the game will load up as usual and let you log on.
Yul Vashen Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:08:00 - [3] Same thing happened to me. Same errors and everything. Also the patch doesn't appear to be optional to me. If you click no, it just asks you again and again.
Netherby	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:10:00 - [4] Same here. If you click no twice on the update it loads the game, for me at least.. But I would kinda like the bug fix that causes a memory leak every time I move my mouse!
Sazuka Kirr Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Yul Vashen Also the patch doesn't appear to be optional to me. If you click no, it just asks you again and again. Odd. When I open the game, it asks me to patch. I click no and the splash appears and it asks me again. I click no a second time and it opens the game and goes to the login screen.
Li Jingmao	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:14:00 - [6] Same problem here, patcher asks me to reinstall. Downloading full build now, hoping that this "optional" patch has already been incorporated.
Yul Vashen Perkone	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:15:00 - [7] Edited by: Yul Vashen on 06/05/2009 12:16:23 OK. This time it started after the second 'no'. I stand corrected. Originally by: Li Jingmao ... hoping that this "optional" patch has already been incorporated. ditto.
Lotze Lackbeard	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:15:00 - [8] I have the same issue - although if I say 'no' to the patch twice I can log in - phew. Will watch this space for a fix.
Solana Dal'Annae Silverleaf Industries	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:15:00 - [9] Same problem, bugreported. Poor testing CCP, shame on you.
Vint Rotach	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:27:00 - [10] Same error here. 2 different machines. Try again CCP (or transgaming )

Dux Droognan	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:33:00 - [11] Edited by: Dux Droognan on 06/05/2009 12:33:38 Jesus Christ CCP, seems like everyone has this incompatible patch issue. Did you not even do a test download and install from the server before pushing it out?
Solana Dal'Annae Silverleaf Industries	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:42:00 - [12] Downloading the whole (old 2317 cider version) 2.5GB disc image and starting from that results in a patch process that works. I am surprised that CCP apparently didn't try (care?) to check if existing installs that their customers have would be valid to upgrade from.
Ellamar	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:42:00 - [13] At my Macbook (newest model) the patch seemed to install completely (no hanging at 60%) but I do get the reinstall message afterwards. At starting the game I click no on asking to install the patch twice, then the old build starts. Nothing new here, just to insure the rest of the mac users that this - probably - happens to everyone. If not, please post if you're a mac user with a succesfull patch installation. Ellamar
WisdomLikeSilence The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:53:00 - [14] Some of the files have been modified! please download a load of gigs of software again over HOURS and HOURS. HAHAHAHA! we are CCP! we cannot be destroyed! Hail SATAN! HAIL SATAN!
Mireland Griffmeyer	Posted - 2009.05.06 12:59:00 - [15] Download Error Strangely, I feel quite lucky that I got this error so I wouldn't have to re-install like many others. You have us well trained CCP...I am grateful to you that it didn't work :brainwashed:
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:01:00 - [16] (sigh...) Why am I not surprised? At least some of you got errors, my logfile is just blancety blanc. Caramba, redownloading the beast again..... and with no idea if that indeed will work. /Waves at Casqade. Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
teamz1ssou	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:04:00 - [17] happens to me too, but i did modify files to make the graphics run better on my computer. the files the patch gets hung up on dont seem to be the same as the ones i edited, but it still could be an issue. any ideas?? CCP needs to test their mac client sometimes, we always have some kind of problem.
Tetsuo Takashi Caldari Futt Futt Industrial Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Sazuka Kirr Quote: Some of the files have been modified! Please re-install There was an option to view a log. After opening the log, the following lines (with SHA1 after them) were highlighted in red. +1
Yanna Karr Gallente Infinite Horizons	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:24:00 - [19] I have the same problem.
Zareph Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:26:00 - [20] i get no error messages in my error log. it just says it failed. I'm not downloading 2.5GB file over again. I don't want to waste 3 hours of my life. fix it. While all answers are replies, not all replies are answers.

Sir Nimmo Amarr Gun Metal Priests	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:29:00 - [21] I am having some similar problems with the installation has been edited message. I just assumed that it was because I run an application called Xslimmer which strips out PowerPC code and non-english stuff that it may have caused this message to appear. Does anyone else use xslimmer, or is that likely to have nothing to do with it?
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:33:00 - [22] Originally by: Sir Nimmo I am having some similar problems with the installation has been edited message. I just assumed that it was because I run an application called Xslimmer which strips out PowerPC code and non-english stuff that it may have caused this message to appear. Does anyone else use xslimmer, or is that likely to have nothing to do with it? Doubt it is. Don't use xslimer, heck, the only thing I edited is that EVE starts up in windowed mode in the config file. If that breaks the patch then they have bigger problems then I could imagine. Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
Internalist Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:46:00 - [23] Edited by: Internalist on 06/05/2009 13:57:09 Originally by: Sir Nimmo I am having some similar problems with the installation has been edited message. I just assumed that it was because I run an application called Xslimmer which strips out PowerPC code and non-english stuff that it may have caused this message to appear. Does anyone else use xslimmer, or is that likely to have nothing to do with it? Cider (and EVE) are intel only applications. Using xslimmer or other Intel Optimization applications is just dumb. Is this a patch to Cider or is it a patch to EVE? Edit: its just to cider.
Lilin Black Serpent Technologies Aggression.	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:50:00 - [24] Confirming that not only do I have this problem, but after a complete re-install, that I still have this problem. Thankfully the patch is optional.
Solana Dal'Annae Silverleaf Industries	Posted - 2009.05.06 13:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Lilin Confirming that not only do I have this problem, but after a complete re-install, that I still have this problem. Thankfully the patch is optional. That is weird. It worked just fine for me... (downloading the eve-premium_002317_86756_mac.dmg file and patching from that) I wonder if they changed that file since then? Hmm.
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Lilin Confirming that not only do I have this problem, but after a complete re-install, that I still have this problem. Thankfully the patch is optional. Did you also move the preference files, cache etc.? Going to try it myself in a minute, brb. Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
KW Mech Caldari KW Mining and Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:04:00 - [27] Another loser CCP/Tg!!! Way to go!
Skyynxnex Minmatar The Sanitarium Choir	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Sazuka Kirr Originally by: Yul Vashen Also the patch doesn't appear to be optional to me. If you click no, it just asks you again and again. Odd. When I open the game, it asks me to patch. I click no and the splash appears and it asks me again. I click no a second time and it opens the game and goes to the login screen. This is what happens and you can still log in without this patch. CCP I'm really happy that you are patching problems with the mac client but please make sure they work without use having to spend hours downloading the full build.
Dane Brasten	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:21:00 - [29] Interesting. I'll add another piece for tough. It downloaded and installed just fine on my MacPro, then again I had redownloade the client after the last major patch to Apocrypha. Another item is that my client has been crashing due to what looks like a memory leak, judging from the way the Virtual Memory keeps increasing over the course of about 3 hours of play. I will see if this patch fixs that. So to say clearly, those of you having trouble patching. Was your client crashing from a similar issue or was it running just fine (for EVE)?
Oku Kee'lus Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:23:00 - [30] Same problem +1

JeanMarie Maturin	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:24:00 - [31] Same deal here. Re-downloading eve-premium_002317_86756_mac.dmgùa "mere" 2.39GBùto see if reinstalling will help. >.<
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:32:00 - [32] WTF is this crap? Seriously... normally I don't emo-rage but whose the bloody idiot that wrote this patch? What the heck would they care if the language files I don't even use are damaged or not there to begin with!? Someone should spend less time drinking beer and more time drinking cofee over there. Very disappointing! I shall try to download the game again I guess. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Ivana Twinkle Amarr Hammers Academy	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:34:00 - [33] same problem +1 redownloading full build. It'll just cost them in bandwith costs. Why not do a patch with the full files instead of this RT patch nonsense. it fails every time.
Helingam	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:38:00 - [34] sigh... this sucks. Why, oh why did I hit yes. I'm not gonna download the game again. I think I'll take up extreme Frisbee in the meanwhile. Test your patches!!!
KW Mech Caldari KW Mining and Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:42:00 - [35] Edited by: KW Mech on 06/05/2009 14:42:26 If you REALLY want to get on, read earlier in the thread......clicking 'No' twice will get you on with the unpatched version. Edit: But your right 'This sucks'
Pharon Reichter Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:44:00 - [36] smack the idiot....
Rees Noturana Red Rock Mining Company	Posted - 2009.05.06 14:55:00 - [37] Looks like the patch has been disabled. I wasn't asked to install the update.
Yanna Karr Gallente Infinite Horizons	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:01:00 - [38] Works now - I think the verification stage was disabled, as it goes straight into patching.

CCP Casqade	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:05:00 - [39] Hi all, We have now removed the old download and replaced them with a new one that should not cause any issues. We are still looking into what was causing these issues as this does not affect all clients. We are sorry for what happened. And we hope that this patch will still bring happiness to you all in the end.

Akira Zaibach	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:06:00 - [40] Edited by: Akira Zaibach on 06/05/2009 15:07:10 Well I was able to install the patch without any problems. I had also modified the config file but that doesn't seem to have interrupted the patch process. Memory leak/3 hour crash seems to have been fixed. The virtual memory in the activity monitor doesn't seem to gradually increase anylonger. I'm very happy with this patch. Sorry to see that so many others are having trouble with it. I assume you've all tried to trash prefs and reinstall full client? EDIT: ah nevermind then, go ahead and try the patch, it should work now

Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:17:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Casqade Hi all, We have now removed the old download and replaced them with a new one that should not cause any issues. We are still looking into what was causing these issues as this does not affect all clients. We are sorry for what happened. And we hope that this patch will still bring happiness to you all in the end. Patch that works - Check File Verification - Check Not having to re-download the client - Where do I send the case of beer too? Nice response time.... but I still think someone messed up. But since I don't have to reinstall... win win here. I'll let you guys know how the fixes turn out when I get on EVE later today. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
kapu4u	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:36:00 - [42] Eve worked fine last night (with the apocrapha config file fixes posted on this forum), now after the patch it says eve cannot run on my version of OS X. What the......... Downloading the full version again. This is ridiculous guys
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:38:00 - [43] Originally by: kapu4u Eve worked fine last night (with the apocrapha config file fixes posted on this forum), now after the patch it says eve cannot run on my version of OS X. What the......... Downloading the full version again. This is ridiculous guys And which version is that? Don't you love it when people don't post details like that? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Staticslash	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:42:00 - [44] patch did not work before, and i got the same messages that everyone was getting. However, the patch seems to be working now, I just installed it successfully on my white macbook early 2008
kapu4u	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:44:00 - [45] 10.4.11 Aren't patches supposed to make game play better?
Phronesiis	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:48:00 - [46] Thank you Casqade. Cheers
Winter Trap	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:53:00 - [47] I seem to be getting the Error after I click yes, download, and once it tries to patch it says. "You cannot Apply this patch on this Version of the Application" Please re-install iPatch 3.7.TG12 Game Version - 6.10.86756
Solana Dal'Annae Silverleaf Industries	Posted - 2009.05.06 15:56:00 - [48] Originally by: kapu4u 10.4.11 Aren't patches supposed to make game play better? What happens if you change the "tgSuggestedOSVersion" attribute at the bottom of the Info.plist file that is located inside the Eve-app from 10.5.6 to 10.4.11? To find it, rightclick your EVE Online application, select "Show Package Contents", then open the Contents folder. Also note the "LSMinimumSystemVersion" is set to 10.4.11. Whatever that means.
Li Jingmao	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:07:00 - [49] Originally by: Solana Dal'Annae Originally by: kapu4u 10.4.11 Aren't patches supposed to make game play better? What happens if you change the "tgSuggestedOSVersion" attribute at the bottom of the Info.plist file that is located inside the Eve-app from 10.5.6 to 10.4.11? To find it, rightclick your EVE Online application, select "Show Package Contents", then open the Contents folder. Also note the "LSMinimumSystemVersion" is set to 10.4.11. Whatever that means. I remember that when 10.4.11 came out, many aps wouldn't run anymore because they didn't check the OS's version properly and mistook 10.4.11 for 10.4.1. Maybe version check broke with this latest patch and this is the case here, too?
Sma Balveda	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:10:00 - [50] Hang on - I thought the client would now only run on 10.5 (Leopard)? Implied above that it is possible to run it on Tiger?

Li Jingmao	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:14:00 - [51] Originally by: Sma Balveda Hang on - I thought the client would now only run on 10.5 (Leopard)? Implied above that it is possible to run it on Tiger? Yep, you're right, minimum sys reqs state 10.5.6. Still, might be possible to trick EVE into running on 10.4.11 by lowering the version reqs in the config file. But since the OpenGL implementation changed from 10.4 to 10.5 I doubt that that would work.
kapu4u	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:16:00 - [52] wow.... so i guess my days of playing eve are over b/c of the new patch....thats interesting
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:16:00 - [53] Minimum System Requirements: - The client does not run on a PowerPC (G3/G4/G5) based Macintosh Machines (PowerMac). MacBook laptops are also not supported nor the Mac Mini. - Supported hardware is MacBook Pro laptops, Mac Pro machines and iMacs. All these machines have to meet the following minimum requirements below: - CPU: Intel based computer with CPU speed equal or greater than 1.8GHz OS: OS X 10.5.6 or later. - Video: ATI X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or higher with 128 MB of Video RAM - RAM: 1024 MB or more - HD space: 6.0 GB - Network: 56k or better Internet connection Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
Sma Balveda	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:18:00 - [54] But Kapu is implying he was running the Premium client successfully on 10.4 prior to today's patch? Or am I misreading this.
kapu4u	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:20:00 - [55] I was. Ill just update to 10.5.6 then
Cythes	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:31:00 - [56] Edited by: Cythes on 06/05/2009 16:31:11 I made a separate post about this, but after running the patch and then playing the game for an hour or two, the game won't restart with a dialog telling me that it cannot be run on my OS - I run on 10.4 and can for various reasons not upgrade. So obviously I've been dreaming the last few hours. Well, I can inform you that it runs just fine on 10.4. So pretty please, CCP, give me a workaround, another patch enabling me to play, or a refund. Because not being able to run the game is one thing - not letting me run it because you don't feel like it is quite another.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Sma Balveda But Kapu is implying he was running the Premium client successfully on 10.4 prior to today's patch? Or am I misreading this. running successfully and whether it is supported are 2 entirely different things. If he did get it to run then that's great... but if it fails in the patching... that's his problem as CCP will not help him in either case. CCP clearly indicates that you need 10.5.6 Yes it sucks for you guys who can't afford the new upgrade... whining about it won't help either. Just don't complaint or throw a fit or emo-rage if you hack the file to take the patch an on unsupported version of OS-X. THAT really annoys me. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Fairhand C. O. R. E.	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:42:00 - [58] I can verify that the patch is working fine now. Fortunately I saw the posts here after downtime before patching so I held off till 16:30 game time. It was a 1 minute download (10Mb cable) which took around two minutes to apply and the game started fine. 10.5.6 on mid-2007 iMac 4Gb
kapu4u	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:46:00 - [59] I appreciate the help... When is 10.6 dropping anyways?
Cythes	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 16:39:42 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 16:38:56 Yes it sucks for you guys who can't afford the new upgrade... whining about it won't help either. Just don't complain or throw a fit or emo-rage if you hack the file to take the patch an on unsupported version of OS-X. Affording is not the problem here. And I'm not throwing a fit. Premium client has worked great over here all the while. I totally agree with you - if you run an unsupported OS, you have no business complaining about issues with the game or the game not running. The thing is, the game runs perfectly fine. Both before and after the patch. My problem is that there is obviously a small line of code or text somewhere saying that my OS can't run the game, though it obviously can. I'm not asking for a major work-around, all I'm asking for is that line to be removed.

Rani Rakel	Posted - 2009.05.06 16:56:00 - [61] I also updated this morning, and was allowed to play for several hours, only to log off and find I can't get back into the game, because my version is no longer supported? I'm running 10.4.11 and I can confirm that the game worked fine. It's CCP's right to change what OP they want the game to work on, but a little warning would have been nice for those of us who were suddenly cut off. We do pay for this service, you know. All I want is to hear from an official CCP representative if this will be rectified or if Tiger users have indeed been left out in the cold. Because if thats the case I need to stop paying for a game I'm not being allowed to play.
Shidhe Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:00:00 - [62] Edited by: Shidhe on 06/05/2009 17:03:17 Hmm. There does appear to have been a problem. Can anyone conform if the patch really is optional? How do I undo the patch? The problem still exists - 17.02 eve time.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Rani Rakel I also updated this morning, and was allowed to play for several hours, only to log off and find I can't get back into the game, because my version is no longer supported? I'm running 10.4.11 and I can confirm that the game worked fine. It's CCP's right to change what OP they want the game to work on, but a little warning would have been nice for those of us who were suddenly cut off. We do pay for this service, you know. All I want is to hear from an official CCP representative if this will be rectified or if Tiger users have indeed been left out in the cold. Because if thats the case I need to stop paying for a game I'm not being allowed to play. The answer is obvious... CCP says that you must have 10.5.6 to run the game... that is the supported/minimum specs required to run EVE Online. Just how clear do you need the answer to be? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:05:00 - [64] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 17:06:18 Originally by: Shidhe Edited by: Shidhe on 06/05/2009 17:03:17 Hmm. There does appear to have been a problem. Can anyone conform if the patch really is optional? How do I undo the patch? The problem still exists - 17.02 eve time. First time I patched i got that stupid error and it told me to reinstall. Relaunched and it started up just fine which was odd. After CCP Casqade (FTW!) posted I relaunched and it started downloading the patch which took longer but it went through and now I'm back to my normal trollish self. Have you tried relaunching recently? IF so... is there a way to "Force patch" or to reset the flag to "check for updates"? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:07:00 - [65] Originally by: Cythes The thing is, the game runs perfectly fine. Both before and after the patch. If it runs fine, then what are you complaining for? Originally by: Cythes My problem is that there is obviously a small line of code or text somewhere saying that my OS can't run the game, though it obviously can. Wrong. If there's a line that says it cannot, then that very line makes it not running. Even if all the rest of the game would run, that very line prevents it. Therefore it does NOT run. Originally by: Cythes I'm not asking for a major work-around, all I'm asking for is that line to be removed. Why would they remove a line of code that is not a problem for the game when running on a supported machine? Remember: NOT SUPPORTED means you are alone in making it run there. You have no right to complain if it does not. You have no right to call for assistance. You are not supposed to run it there. I actually think it's unfortunate that there's really no line of code that does it but only an app configuration entry that warns the OS not to load it (and which is far too easy to change). Basically CCP has been writing that Tiger is not supported for months already. Unfortunately they only wrote it in places that you could read but your operating system couldn't. Now they wrote it where they should have since the beginning: in the application meta-info. It's not EVE that refuses to run on Tiger. It's Tiger that refuses to run EVE. Because EVE says that the minimum OS is 10.5.6. Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan
Cythes	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Drake Draconis The answer is obvious... CCP says that you must have 10.5.6 to run the game... that is the supported/minimum specs required to run EVE Online. Just how clear do you need the answer to be? Supported is one thing, but the damn game runs both before and after the new patch, it's just that there's a dialog telling us that we can't run it. Our question is simple - how do we disable the dialog, or who do we mail our credit card numbers to for refund? Just how clear do you need the question to be?
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:11:00 - [67] Originally by: Rani Rakel It's CCP's right to change what OP they want the game to work on, but a little warning would have been nice for those of us who were suddenly cut off. We do pay for this service, you know. All I want is to hear from an official CCP representative if this will be rectified or if Tiger users have indeed been left out in the cold. Because if thats the case I need to stop paying for a game I'm not being allowed to play. They did not change it. The minimum has been Leopard for a long time. Tiger users have been left out in the cold several months ago. And it has been told multiple times already. Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan
Shidhe Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:14:00 - [68] Originally by: Ami Nia Originally by: Rani Rakel It's CCP's right to change what OP they want the game to work on, but a little warning would have been nice for those of us who were suddenly cut off. We do pay for this service, you know. All I want is to hear from an official CCP representative if this will be rectified or if Tiger users have indeed been left out in the cold. Because if thats the case I need to stop paying for a game I'm not being allowed to play. They did not change it. The minimum has been Leopard for a long time. Tiger users have been left out in the cold several months ago. And it has been told multiple times already. I do not read the Mac forum regularly - I wish it had been said somewhere I was reading!
Boris Varshavsky	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:18:00 - [69] The same thing did not happen to me, but I have been getting connection issues ever since I installed the patch. Help!
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:19:00 - [70] Originally by: Cythes Our question is simple - how do we disable the dialog The supported way of removing it is using Leopard. The unsupported way ... is by definition not supported so there's no reason CCP should support it. You are alone on this. And as far as CCP is concerned you should not do it. Originally by: Cythes or who do we mail our credit card numbers to for refund? Refund for what? The game is not supported on tiger. Originally by: Cythes Just how clear do you need the question to be? Just how clear need the answers be? I'll put it in bold: do not run eve on tiger. Doing it is not supported. Not supported means any question about doing it has no official answer and any problem related to it is not a bug and will not be addressed. And it means any trick you may find to do it may stop working at any time with no advanced warning. Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan

Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Cythes Originally by: Drake Draconis The answer is obvious... CCP says that you must have 10.5.6 to run the game... that is the supported/minimum specs required to run EVE Online. Just how clear do you need the answer to be? Supported is one thing, but the damn game runs both before and after the new patch, it's just that there's a dialog telling us that we can't run it. Our question is simple - how do we disable the dialog, or who do we mail our credit card numbers to for refund? Just how clear do you need the question to be? Thats a question CCP will not answer because it invovles hacking/modifying the code. They are leagally liable at that point and will not go there. You'll have to rely on the other geeks in the Mac community who are savy enough to recode without breaking there macs in the process. All of which you do at your own risk. which is why I keep saying... stop complaining if you don't meet the requirements... you knew what you where getting into... all your doing is wasting time and money when the obvious is obvious. Instead focus on asking people if someone found a way to fix it. Threatening to leave and unsub is childish at best.... let alone demanding a refund. (laughs) ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Cythes	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:20:00 - [72] Edited by: Cythes on 06/05/2009 17:23:25 Originally by: Ami Nia They did not change it. The minimum has been Leopard for a long time. Tiger users have been left out in the cold several months ago. And it has been told multiple times already. All right, I don't wanna argue, and I am not whining, so let's try to reach an agreement. 1 - You have no right to complain about a game that you run on an unsupported machine. 2 - Minimum requirements and supported requirements are two completely different things. 3 - Since long, the supported OS version is Leopard. 4 - Up until this patch, the game runs fine on Tiger. 5 - After this patch, the game runs fine on Tiger. 6 - After this patch, the game will not start on Tiger. 7 - I have not updated my Mac OS today. Therefore, the choice to not let me run the game is due to an initiative from CCP, not from Apple. Hence: since I can run the game, and promise not to whine about **** that happens while playing it, can CCP pretty please allow me to start it? You can't disagree with that, can you? EDIT: And yes, threatening to unsub is very childish - I don't wanna stop playing, this is the best damn game in the world, even though I can't run it anymore on my computer. But there are tons of games out there that developers allow you to run on unsupported machine with the caveat that it's unsupported. And the game does work on my machine. All I'm asking for is CCP to allow me to run it unsupported.
Rani Rakel	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:20:00 - [73] Originally by: Cythes Originally by: Drake Draconis The answer is obvious... CCP says that you must have 10.5.6 to run the game... that is the supported/minimum specs required to run EVE Online. Just how clear do you need the answer to be? Supported is one thing, but the damn game runs both before and after the new patch, it's just that there's a dialog telling us that we can't run it. Our question is simple - how do we disable the dialog, or who do we mail our credit card numbers to for refund? Just how clear do you need the question to be? I agree, I want a refund as well. Seems awfully stupid on CCPs part to not allow the game to be played on a system that it will work on.. are they trying to make LESS money? Their loss. And all you guys who are getting ****y about the people who had their game stop working? Hilarious... you're righteous now, but if CCP springs a patch on you tomorrow that breaks your game you'd be screaming bloody murder about the injustice. Hypocrites.
Boris Varshavsky	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:22:00 - [74] Originally by: Maria Kalista Minimum System Requirements: - The client does not run on a PowerPC (G3/G4/G5) based Macintosh Machines (PowerMac). MacBook laptops are also not supported nor the Mac Mini. - Supported hardware is MacBook Pro laptops, Mac Pro machines and iMacs. All these machines have to meet the following minimum requirements below: - CPU: Intel based computer with CPU speed equal or greater than 1.8GHz OS: OS X 10.5.6 or later. - Video: ATI X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or higher with 128 MB of Video RAM - RAM: 1024 MB or more - HD space: 6.0 GB - Network: 56k or better Internet connection Wrong! Im playing on my MacBook right now, BUT it uses the Intel CPU.
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:24:00 - [75] Originally by: Shidhe I do not read the Mac forum regularly - I wish it had been said somewhere I was reading! It has been in the application minimum requirements for a long long time. You do not need to read the forums. But you need to read the app specifications, the patch notes and the messages the game displays in the login screen (most times with a link to the website). If you did not read those, it's your problem. Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan
Boibn II	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:25:00 - [76] I run leopard and the client works fine after they modified the initial patch. Though, i find ridiculous that they make life harder for tiger users. It is one thing to stop supporting a OS, fine stop troubleshooting for them and fine stop making patchs for them, but just to add a dialogue box to prevent them form even starting the client, that is uncalled for. Some people tried it in tiger and have reported that it still works if it weren't for the dialogue box. Why not just warn the user that he is running an unsupported OS and that problems could occur and that CCP is not responsible. I'm thinking a new OS for mac is bound to come out soon and i wish I am not going to be rejected purposely by CCP the way tiger users are being ejected with this patch. OS become obsolete as time goes but when you can still work with old things there is no reason to stop using them under false pretext of moving forward...
Darth Kidd Amarr	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:33:00 - [77] same problem, just said 'no' when it asks me - got me worried about a unauthorized CCP patch.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:47:00 - [78] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 17:49:08 1 - You have no right to complain about a game that you run on an unsupported machine. The point is not whether you complain or not... its whether its rational or constructive. 2 - Minimum requirements and supported requirements are two completely different things. Minimum Requirements ARE supported requirements. 3 - Since long, the supported OS version is Leopard. Moot Point. Stop living in the Past tense. 4 - Up until this patch, the game runs fine on Tiger. Good for you... now time has caught up with you... and you want someone to blame.. we get that. 5 - After this patch, the game runs fine on Tiger. Don't you mean THAT patch (thumbs the last one before this one)? Because THIS patch broke it. 6 - After this patch, the game will not start on Tiger. Time finally caught up with you... what didn't expect? The game DOES require 10.5.6 to run on it! 7 - I have not updated my Mac OS today. Therefore, the choice to not let me run the game is due to an initiative from CCP, not from Apple. The choice is not due to anything but your own. CCP says it required 10.5.6 To argue is to yell at a brick wall... only the wall won't yell back. Apple has nothing to do with it. Upgrade... adapt.. or give me your stuff and quit the game. Stop whining. I may be a troll and I may be a bit of an overbearing wacko but facts are facts and I choose to not live a delisuional state. This game is great... its awesome... but it is not worth beating something so stupidly obvious to a pulp. Seriously... CCP should hard code a brick wall to break anything older than the required OS to get you people to wake up and realize that lying to yourselves is an unhealthy way to live. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:51:00 - [79] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 17:52:53 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 17:52:25 Originally by: Rani Rakel Originally by: Cythes Originally by: Drake Draconis The answer is obvious... CCP says that you must have 10.5.6 to run the game... that is the supported/minimum specs required to run EVE Online. Just how clear do you need the answer to be? Supported is one thing, but the damn game runs both before and after the new patch, it's just that there's a dialog telling us that we can't run it. Our question is simple - how do we disable the dialog, or who do we mail our credit card numbers to for refund? Just how clear do you need the question to be? I agree, I want a refund as well. Seems awfully stupid on CCPs part to not allow the game to be played on a system that it will work on.. are they trying to make LESS money? Their loss. And all you guys who are getting ***y about the people who had their game stop working? Hilarious... you're righteous now, but if CCP springs a patch on you tomorrow that breaks your game you'd be screaming bloody murder about the injustice. Hypocrites. Thats because we are running the required specs that CCP published. We are following the parameteres set forth. They aren't (if not you for that matter). This means we have the right to throw a fit because CCP said it WILL and IT IS supported to run on these specs. That is the difference. CCP cares about the customers they choose to care about... and those happen to run 10.5.6 Not 10.4 or 10.3 or 10.2 or...* ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Cythes	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:53:00 - [80] Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 17:49:08 I may be a troll and I may be a bit of an overbearing wacko but facts are facts and I choose to not live a delisuional state. Very well - I will stop feeding you.

Rani Rakel	Posted - 2009.05.06 17:56:00 - [81] Edited by: Rani Rakel on 06/05/2009 17:58:23 Originally by: Drake Draconis CCP cares about the customers they choose to care about... and those happen to run 10.5.6 Not 10.4 or 10.3 or 10.2 or... I'm going to savor the day that CCP stops "caring" for you..
Cythes	Posted - 2009.05.06 18:03:00 - [82] Edited by: Cythes on 06/05/2009 18:07:37 Update! Downloading the full client and declining the patch worked perfectly fine - so I'll see you in game. Hugs and kisses /C EDIT: Just one final remark - where's the love, people? I mean, seriously? Can't those of you who haven't got our problem put yourselves in our shoes? We're not asking for a single thing other than being allowed to start up the client...
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 18:07:00 - [83] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 18:07:14 Originally by: Rani Rakel Edited by: Rani Rakel on 06/05/2009 17:58:23 Originally by: Drake Draconis CCP cares about the customers they choose to care about... and those happen to run 10.5.6 Not 10.4 or 10.3 or 10.2 or... I'm going to savor the day that CCP stops "caring" for you.. "Can I has your stuff?" Oh and I'll be seeing yah at 10.6 when it comes out. ; O) ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Solana Dal'Annae Silverleaf Industries	Posted - 2009.05.06 18:48:00 - [84] Edited by: Solana Dal''Annae on 06/05/2009 18:48:53 I can't think of any reason to artificially limit access to the game based on what CCP wants people to use in this way. If people accept no tech support, lower standards and overall game quality that's their prerogative. Now if it was because of some security reason or similar, that would be one thing, but this is just video drivers.
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.06 20:10:00 - [85] Originally by: Solana Dal'Annae Edited by: Solana Dal''Annae on 06/05/2009 18:48:53 I can't think of any reason to artificially limit access to the game based on what CCP wants people to use in this way. If people accept no tech support, lower standards and overall game quality that's their prerogative. There's a very very good reason. And all this wining about the dialog is the proof. The point is that tiger is not supported. That means if you can manage to run the game on tiger, fine, but you should NEVER come here for help or any other reason. The very fact that people running EVE on tiger came here crying for that dialog IS the reason CCP should actually do something more drastic to actually prevent them from using EvE on tiger. I do not have tiger. And I cannot be 100% sure of how things will work. But it seems, from what I've read and seen, that hacking things so that the dialog is not shown is as easy as changing the app bundle metadata. It seems that the latest patch only updated cider and not the EvE client itself. And it seems that, among the different changes, they now support two different OS version metadata: the minimum to run cider itself and the minimum to run the actual client. The first has always been there as it's something that OsX itself provides. It used to be 10.4.8 and is now set to 10.4.11. The second is not something that OsX can know about (OsX does not natively run windows stuff) and is a metadatum that they added with this patch. It, and the corresponding functionality, should have been there since the beginning, but it was not a big priority. The very fact that A LOT OF PEOPLE kept posting on this forums and only later we would find out they were actually running on non supported hardware is a sufficient reason to add that functionality. Tiger is not supported. Minimum is currently 10.5.6. The fact that the client would run on tiger without warning you that this is not supported is something I'd call a non-severe bug. A bug that has now been fixed. CCP does not support running EVE on tiger. If you can make it without asking here (that includes not asking how to remove that dialog), then go ahead. But you should at least know you are using a hack and you are not supposed to do it. If you are not technically savvy enough to evaluate all the possible consequences (which may or may not go beyond the client graphics being bugged and the client crashing), then you should NOT do it. If you are ... then you surely do not need to ask how to remove that dialog. Again: if you are using tiger, you should not post here. And you have no right to ask how to do it. Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 20:20:00 - [86] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 20:23:45 TL DR Version - If your running OS-X 10.4 or older you are SOL. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Sandar Orontur	Posted - 2009.05.06 20:48:00 - [87] This just sucks. Patched, game won't start anymore under Tiger. All the discussion about supported OS aside: I had a game running fine under Tiger. WITHIN the client it never told me that I would need to upgrade to Leopard to be able to run the game in the future. I can't be required to search through forums for that. The patch was not optional and now the game won't start anymore. No message or anything about it beforehand. That's just not the way to treat customers. THANKS CCP! Of course I can install Leopard. But it will take me 1-2 days of work, as I need to back up some 30GB of data, upgrade, put the data back, and solve all those little issues with the xcode environ for which I (so far) intentionally had not upgraded to Leopard. Ah, isn't life great.... I would at least have liked to make a decision about when to upgrade for myself, now I loose game time if I don't. So it's not really my choice anymore. Wasn't someone talking about refunds... Oh, I guess that wasn't CCP, that's for sure.
JohnnyCashRules	Posted - 2009.05.06 20:58:00 - [88] Downloaded the patch MASSIVE FPS boost! Thanks! -JCR
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.06 21:44:00 - [89] Originally by: Sandar Orontur WITHIN the client it never told me that I would need to upgrade to Leopard to be able to run the game in the future. I can't be required to search through forums for that. Wrong. The eve news are displayed on the right of the character selection screen every time you run the client. They take a few seconds to show up because they are NEWS and the client needs to download them every time. This one is STILL there. Not only all major changes will get there, but on the login screen there are two more informational spaces. The large one in the middle is generally used for advertising, but sometimes it advertises an important informational post on the site. Also the little info box that currently says that the CSM candidates have been announced has been often used to point to important announcements. That Leopard is the minimum OS is not news. It was announced as part of the requirements for the Apocrypha expansion. It has been known for at least a couple of months before the deployment. There has been multiple news about the fact that apocrypha would make several things obsolete. Many PC boxes went obsolete because it required shader model 2 at minimum. And tiger went unsupported too for those on apples. The linux client wet totally AWOL. And yes: apocrypha news were also visible both in the login page and in the character selection screen. Multiple times. Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan
Sandar Orontur	Posted - 2009.05.06 22:03:00 - [90] Ok, so I think we have a different perception of things here. Has it been possible to get the info of Tiger being no longer supported? Yes. Has there been any info within the client itself, either when installing, or patching, that it will not work anymore on Tiger soon, in some place which you must read, like a box where you need to click things to go ahead? And I don't mean one of those EULAs or similar things which nobody reads because it is absurd to search for a piece of information when buried within pages of other stuff. No. Do I have to read to read the news? No. Of course you can always say that the info was available and that through some way I should have come across it. On the other hand: Does it have to be like that? What would it have cost CCP to specifically put a dialog into the Mac client with Apocrypha (or one of it updates), that when run on Tiger tells the user that support for that OS has ended and within the very near future the client won't run anymore? From my programming experience, 5-6 minutes of work. I don't think this is outrageously much to ask for when you pay for a service. This is what we are actually discussing here. Not if such notification is a necessary requirement or anything. But if it is something you should be able to expect from a company which you pay for a service. That is of course arguable. Personally, I'd say yes. But, hey, I forgot, this is CCP! So, no, I guess I should not expect such an extremely luxurious care for the paying clientel. Anyways, as that service I paid for has ended, I'll just hang out in the forums for the remaining days of my subscription and then move to other things.

Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 22:38:00 - [91] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 06/05/2009 22:38:46 Originally by: Sandar Orontur Ok, so I think we have a different perception of things here. Has it been possible to get the info of Tiger being no longer supported? Yes. Has there been any info within the client itself, either when installing, or patching, that it will not work anymore on Tiger soon, in some place which you must read, like a box where you need to click things to go ahead? And I don't mean one of those EULAs or similar things which nobody reads because it is absurd to search for a piece of information when buried within pages of other stuff. No. Do I have to read to read the news? No. Of course you can always say that the info was available and that through some way I should have come across it. On the other hand: Does it have to be like that? What would it have cost CCP to specifically put a dialog into the Mac client with Apocrypha (or one of it updates), that when run on Tiger tells the user that support for that OS has ended and within the very near future the client won't run anymore? From my programming experience, 5-6 minutes of work. I don't think this is outrageously much to ask for when you pay for a service. This is what we are actually discussing here. Not if such notification is a necessary requirement or anything. But if it is something you should be able to expect from a company which you pay for a service. That is of course arguable. Personally, I'd say yes. But, hey, I forgot, this is CCP! So, no, I guess I should not expect such an extremely luxurious care for the paying clientel. Anyways, as that service I paid for has ended, I'll just hang out in the forums for the remaining days of my subscription and then move to other things. Do I have to read the manual to know how to drive my Car? No... but then I would never know what the S means on my Transmission... and then realize my MPG would go down...even tho it shifts faster. Do I have to set my autopilot to stay within .5 sec and higher? No But If i plan on taking a trip to Jita... from Rens... then I should be prepaired to lose my ship.. my pod..and my implants. Does that mean I get to complain about it? only if I plan on making myself look like a jackass. And yes... you know where I'm going with this. RTFM ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Senyru Suru Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.05.06 22:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Sandar Orontur What would it have cost CCP to specifically put a dialog into the Mac client with Apocrypha (or one of it updates), that when run on Tiger tells the user that support for that OS has ended and within the very near future the client won't run anymore? From my programming experience, 5-6 minutes of work. Well, it's not quite that simple. CCP write the application to run on windows, and then the cider wrapper is put around it by another company so that it'll run on our Macs. The game code that CCP write has no concept that it's running on a Mac at all, let alone what version of OS it is running. So, it's not really a 5 or 6 minute job as you suggest. Your rant should really be directed at TransGaming I guess who do the cider wrapper, but then, I have no idea who easy it would be for them to add that to the system - my guess is that the wrapper isn't designed with interaction in mind, only to be transparent to the users and the game code that it runs inside. -- --- one day we're all gonna die, and then we'll see who's laughing!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.06 23:35:00 - [93] Originally by: Senyru Suru Originally by: Sandar Orontur What would it have cost CCP to specifically put a dialog into the Mac client with Apocrypha (or one of it updates), that when run on Tiger tells the user that support for that OS has ended and within the very near future the client won't run anymore? From my programming experience, 5-6 minutes of work. Well, it's not quite that simple. CCP write the application to run on windows, and then the cider wrapper is put around it by another company so that it'll run on our Macs. The game code that CCP write has no concept that it's running on a Mac at all, let alone what version of OS it is running. So, it's not really a 5 or 6 minute job as you suggest. Your rant should really be directed at TransGaming I guess who do the cider wrapper, but then, I have no idea who easy it would be for them to add that to the system - my guess is that the wrapper isn't designed with interaction in mind, only to be transparent to the users and the game code that it runs inside. Bingo.... Which is why I yearn for Native and not Windowscraptasticcode. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Jorge Belda Amarr Independent Corsairs	Posted - 2009.05.07 00:42:00 - [94] simple fix here for the people who have done the cider update on machines running 10.4 - just trash that install and download the current full version. sure you have to live with the stupid update dialogs from cider every-time you load up but its better than whining about it not working on the forums.
JoeBear770	Posted - 2009.05.07 01:16:00 - [95] Originally by: Jorge Belda simple fix here for the people who have done the cider update on machines running 10.4 - just trash that install and download the current full version. sure you have to live with the stupid update dialogs from cider every-time you load up but its better than whining about it not working on the forums. So are you saying...I can trash the old client, download the full version, and it will work on os 10.4?
Tramarre	Posted - 2009.05.07 04:35:00 - [96] I had the same 10.4 issue... Here's a trick that seems to work for me (although I've only played the game for about five minutes, we'll see how it goes): Right-click/ctrl-click on the EVE Online application --> "Show Package Contents" go to Contents/MacOS double-click on "cider" This will open up the terminal, then bring up a dialogue box that warns you that you're playing on an unsupported system and you may experience issues. Do you wish to continue? Click yes. Now I feel a little sheepish bringing this up after the preceding argument, but honestly I don't that evil. I'm going to upgrade to the right OS, but it's a somewhat involved process and I'll just do it on my own time. I even clicked on a dialogue box that makes me accept responsibility for my own actions. That wasn't so hard, was it?
Maria Kalista Amarr Emerald Forest Securities	Posted - 2009.05.07 05:14:00 - [97] Edited by: Maria Kalista on 07/05/2009 05:14:27 Originally by: JoeBear770 Originally by: Jorge Belda simple fix here for the people who have done the cider update on machines running 10.4 - just trash that install and download the current full version. sure you have to live with the stupid update dialogs from cider every-time you load up but its better than whining about it not working on the forums. So are you saying...I can trash the old client, download the full version, and it will work on os 10.4? You guys are aware, I hope, that you are prolonging the inevitable, right? Originally by: Jacharian This sounds like a bad idea. I'm in.
balz ack	Posted - 2009.05.07 06:42:00 - [98] Originally by: Maria Kalista Edited by: Maria Kalista on 07/05/2009 05:14:27 Originally by: JoeBear770 Originally by: Jorge Belda simple fix here for the people who have done the cider update on machines running 10.4 - just trash that install and download the current full version. sure you have to live with the stupid update dialogs from cider every-time you load up but its better than whining about it not working on the forums. So are you saying...I can trash the old client, download the full version, and it will work on os 10.4? You guys are aware, I hope, that you are prolonging the inevitable, right? Isn't that all we're asking for here? ;-) Incidentally, to those who patched and jsut need a way to launch the game here's the workaround (warning basic unix skillz needed): 1> Launch your terminal. 2> cd to your game directory (for me it's: cd /Applications/Games/Eve\ Onlines.app/Contents/MacOS ) 3> run the cider program manually from the terminal like so: ./cider This will launch the game you can log in and play. Note that you will not be able to alt-tab out and be able to get back in to the game. enjoy!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.07 07:25:00 - [99] Let me clearly state what my position is before assumptions are made. I do not have a problem with people running EVE Onlne on 10.4 systems or older. I have a problem with people who run EVE Online on 10.4 systems and throw a damn hissy fit and scream and rant and rave and emo-rage-quit and expect us to give a damn. So... that said... if you can do it... go to it! Better than reading the whine threads. But as its been indicated... you are in unsupported territory... your on your own kids. Good luck... and fly safe o7 ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
balz ack	Posted - 2009.05.07 08:10:00 - [100] Originally by: Drake Draconis Let me clearly state what my position is before assumptions are made. I do not have a problem with people running EVE Onlne on 10.4 systems or older. I have a problem with people who run EVE Online on 10.4 systems and throw a damn hissy fit and scream and rant and rave and emo-rage-quit and expect us to give a damn. So... that said... if you can do it... go to it! Better than reading the whine threads. But as its been indicated... you are in unsupported territory... your on your own kids. Good luck... and fly safe o7 lol emo-rage, I'm using that! update: you can command+enter your way into windowed mode and switch back and forth as mentioned earlier. It is worth noting that this is all wildly unsupported, YMMV and all that jazz. You emo-raging-quiters now have something to get you through till you get 10.5. ;-)

WisdomLikeSilence The Cursed Navy	Posted - 2009.05.07 08:53:00 - [101] Thanks for the FPS boost. Client works better than ever now.
JoeBear770	Posted - 2009.05.07 09:16:00 - [102] OK, I reinstalled, declined the patch, and it's working 4 now. Yes, I am going to get OS 10.5
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.05.07 15:20:00 - [103] Originally by: Sma Balveda Hang on - I thought the client would now only run on 10.5 (Leopard)? Implied above that it is possible to run it on Tiger? Up until this patch I've been running two clients at once under 10.4.11 just fine.
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.05.07 15:32:00 - [104] Originally by: Drake Draconis I have a problem with people who run EVE Online on 10.4 systems and throw a damn hissy fit and scream and rant and rave and emo-rage-quit and expect us to give a damn. Of course people are going to be ****ed. It is one thing to have elements in a program that require a newer OS. It is another thing to take a program that works fine and explicitly disallow it's use on older OSes even though the program runs fine. If CCP had come in and said "sorry, we are using features of 10.5 that are not available under 10.4 thus your unsupported configuration no longer functions". But that is not what happened here. This reminds me a bit of those websites that check to see if you are using, say, Firefox by checking the version string then rejecting the user if they use Camino. The rejection is not based off the client's capabilities but instead on a string.
Jorge Belda Amarr Independent Corsairs	Posted - 2009.05.07 16:29:00 - [105] Yes thats exctly what i'm saying - i've done this and it works. and yes i know i'm prolonging the inevitable, i'll get 10.5 someday but right now more for work related reasons its staying 10.4 Originally by: Maria Kalista Edited by: Maria Kalista on 07/05/2009 05:14:27 Originally by: JoeBear770 Originally by: Jorge Belda simple fix here for the people who have done the cider update on machines running 10.4 - just trash that install and download the current full version. sure you have to live with the stupid update dialogs from cider every-time you load up but its better than whining about it not working on the forums. So are you saying...I can trash the old client, download the full version, and it will work on os 10.4? You guys are aware, I hope, that you are prolonging the inevitable, right?
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.07 16:31:00 - [106] Originally by: Ami Nia The fact that the client would run on tiger without warning you that this is not supported is something I'd call a non-severe bug. This is really the only important point. EVE is pretty damn broken on Tiger outside of a couple of specific configurations, and it runs like molasses on a further half of those because the OS doesn't have a modern shader compiler. It was a mistake to ship Apoc in such a way that it started up on Tiger, because so many people were never bluntly informed that it probably wouldn't have worked on their OS. I would imagine the straw that broke the camel's back here was tech support troubles. We seen plenty of help requests here were the problem turns out to be Tiger, and I'd expect CCP to be getting far more requests than whatever shows up on the forums. The better solution would have been to institute a warning rather than a hard block, but clearly that's not going to happen. I would be surprised if there are enough people for whom EVE works to justify the effort anyhow. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.05.07 16:43:00 - [107] Originally by: Verite Rendition This is really the only important point. EVE is pretty damn broken on Tiger outside of a couple of specific configurations, and it runs like molasses on a further half of those because the OS doesn't have a modern shader compiler. Really? Hrm. All I've got is an old macbook pro and run two clients just fine, better then the OSX classic client from a couple months back. Which is why I am personally so displeased since EVE has gone, without warming, from 'works fine' to 'does not work at all'. Other games I play that have known issues with older (or newer) systems just pop up a warning saying that the configuration is not supported and thus might not be stable.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.07 16:45:00 - [108] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/05/2009 16:46:26 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/05/2009 16:45:31 Originally by: Nekopyat Originally by: Drake Draconis I have a problem with people who run EVE Online on 10.4 systems and throw a damn hissy fit and scream and rant and rave and emo-rage-quit and expect us to give a damn. Of course people are going to be **ed. It is one thing to have elements in a program that require a newer OS. It is another thing to take a program that works fine and explicitly disallow it's use on older OSes even though the program runs fine. If CCP had come in and said "sorry, we are using features of 10.5 that are not available under 10.4 thus your unsupported configuration no longer functions". But that is not what happened here. This reminds me a bit of those websites that check to see if you are using, say, Firefox by checking the version string then rejecting the user if they use Camino. The rejection is not based off the client's capabilities but instead on a string. Requirements Page Minimum System Requirements:** * The client does not run on a PowerPC (G3/G4/G5) based Macintosh Machines (PowerMac). MacBook laptops are also not supported nor the Mac Mini. * Supported hardware is MacBook Pro laptops, Mac Pro machines and iMacs. All these machines have to meet the following minimum requirements below: * CPU: Intel based computer with CPU speed equal or greater than 1.8GHz * OS: OS X 10.5.6 or later. * Video: ATI X1600 or NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or higher with 128 MB of Video RAM * RAM: 1024 MB or more * HD space: 6.0 GB * Network: 56k or better Internet connection The point is you people have no right to complain nor ask for assistance. Any assistance you do get is from other users... so don't cry if CCP ignores you. CCP reserves the right to declare where the bar should be for there own product. It IS there own product.. they built it.. they know it... they run it. Trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with a sledge hammer is not going to win any points with them. Don't like it... cancel your sub and go on your merry way. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.07 17:07:00 - [109] Originally by: Nekopyat Originally by: Verite Rendition This is really the only important point. EVE is pretty damn broken on Tiger outside of a couple of specific configurations, and it runs like molasses on a further half of those because the OS doesn't have a modern shader compiler. Really? Hrm. All I've got is an old macbook pro and run two clients just fine, better then the OSX classic client from a couple months back. The NVIDIA drivers in Tiger are largely rubbish, as are the Intel drivers (not that they're much better on Leopard, but they're even more broken on Tiger). Some of the ATI stuff isn't bad, but they lose a lot of performance and have some minor rendering issues. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.05.07 17:07:00 - [110] Originally by: Drake Draconis -online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124"]Requirements Page[/url] Minimum System Requirements: The problem is, this has NOTHING to do with minimum system requirements. Requiring something to run (or support) is one thing, deliberate sabotage is another. I can't recall the last time I heard of an app that, when it encountered a configuration outside of it's whitelist, completely refuses to run unless it actually has linking issues (in which case it is not able to run). Even the less supported Linux usage of EVE, you do not see them putting in a check saying 'oh, you are running Wine/VMWare/etc, we do not support this so EVE will not run'. And while yes they have a right to do it, we also have a right to complain. Just like when websites use browser whitelists (rather then compliance checks) or when Microsoft started rejecting non-MS DOS machines from running Windows. With unsupported configurations, the normal behavior is to be passive. When a passive'not support' becomes an active 'will not allow' that crosses a line in software development.

Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.07 18:07:00 - [111] Originally by: Nekopyat Originally by: Drake Draconis -online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124"]Requirements Page[/url] Minimum System Requirements: The problem is, this has NOTHING to do with minimum system requirements. Requiring something to run (or support) is one thing, deliberate sabotage is another. I can't recall the last time I heard of an app that, when it encountered a configuration outside of it's whitelist, completely refuses to run unless it actually has linking issues (in which case it is not able to run). Even the less supported Linux usage of EVE, you do not see them putting in a check saying 'oh, you are running Wine/VMWare/etc, we do not support this so EVE will not run'. And while yes they have a right to do it, we also have a right to complain. Just like when websites use browser whitelists (rather then compliance checks) or when Microsoft started rejecting non-MS DOS machines from running Windows. With unsupported configurations, the normal behavior is to be passive. When a passive'not support' becomes an active 'will not allow' that crosses a line in software development. Are you really that bitter or are you just blind? ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.05.07 18:16:00 - [112] Originally by: Drake Draconis Are you really that bitter or are you just blind? Neither. I am a software engineer who understands the difference between system requirements derived from the actual run time requirements of a package and whitelist configuration restrictions based on who knows what.
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2009.05.07 18:48:00 - [113] Originally by: Nekopyat The problem is, this has NOTHING to do with minimum system requirements. Really? Minimum system requirements means the minumum requirements the system needs to have to guarantee that the application runs on ALL such systems. The fact that YOU could run it on YOUR system does NOT mean your system satisfies the minimum requirements. All software can run on systems that are below the minimum system requirements. But it will only run on SOME of those systems. Originally by: Nekopyat Requiring something to run (or support) is one thing, deliberate sabotage is another. I can't recall the last time I heard of an app that, when it encountered a configuration outside of it's whitelist, completely refuses to run unless it actually has linking issues (in which case it is not able to run). You must be very very new to Apple then. And not very expert of non Apple stuff too, as I know of many many products that do the same even outside Apple. But let's stick with Apple here. Pretty much all the software that is released by Apple is like that. Including the OS itself. The OS disks you get with the machine will only install on a machine of that very model and revision. Try to install the OS disks you find in a Mac Book on an iMac and they will just say you cannot do it. But ... it's just a preflight check: if you know how you can bypass it. And if the available hardware drivers are compatible it will work. More interestingly: in the recent past (about 2 years) there has been a problem with a specific model of an Apple computer. This has been resolved, of course. But the early escamotage that was used to fix it before Apple released the correct patches was ... to bypass the preflight check and install the Os from the disks of a different and more recent model. When apple says Os X version whatever is only supported on these models or newer, that also is generally a preflight check. One way they did it in the past was to check for the presence of an USB port or of a firewire port because they knew the oldest hardware model they decided to support was also the first to have such a piece of hardware. Of course those in the know managed to bypass the check and install the new Os on an older machine and it worked (not surprisingly as the previous model was identical except for the presence of that port and the CPU clock speed). Leopard server have a minimum hardware requirement. But you know what: i installed and used it on a g4 mac mini that did not satisfy that requirement and even had 1/2 of the minimum required memory. But I never asked Apple to support it and tell me how to remove blocking dialog boxes. The point is: if you can do it and you do not need to ask how and you do forgo any support, then fine. It's surprising how many people say: yes I know it's not supported, but tell me how I can keep running it. Not supported MEANS you have no right to ask ANYTHING. So why do you ask? If you manage to do it, that's your business. It was announced publicly multiple times and even ingame that tiger was to be faded out of support as of march 10. Do not remember exactly when they started to say it. December? January? Today is may 7, and the fact that the dialog box has not been there since march 10 has already created huge support problems. Too bad the fix is just a preflight test that is easily bypassed because some people WILL bypass it. And then keep creating problems. Military experts call it a Templar, a fighter drone used by Amarr carriers. -- Sheriff Jones apochribba -- Aurora Morgan
Senyru Suru Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.05.07 19:04:00 - [114] Originally by: Nekopyat It is one thing to have elements in a program that require a newer OS. It is another thing to take a program that works fine and explicitly disallow it's use on older OSes even though the program runs fine. Yes, it runs fine now, for at least some people using Tiger. But I wonder if there are updates coming soon which means the game won't run under Tiger at all, or performance will be so bad as to be unplayable. So they've put in the block now before it gets to that stage. Consider it fortunate that there's a work around to get the game working for a few more weeks while you get around to upgrading to 10.5 besides - 10.6 is just around the corner. very shortly Tiger will be two system versions old. How well does the PC version run on pre-XP? -- --- one day we're all gonna die, and then we'll see who's laughing!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.07 19:17:00 - [115] Originally by: Nekopyat Originally by: Drake Draconis Are you really that bitter or are you just blind? Neither. I am a software engineer who understands the difference between system requirements derived from the actual run time requirements of a package and whitelist configuration restrictions based on who knows what. Next time just say your blind... makes it easier on the rest of us. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.07 19:31:00 - [116] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/05/2009 19:31:33 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 07/05/2009 19:31:07 Originally by: Ami Nia ...good stuff... Accurate and Verified. I can personally attest to all of the above. Hell my dad owns a Punch bowel (Flat Panel with neck if you don't know) iMac that runs OS-X 10.5 on an 800 Mhz G4. Apple says that's a no no but its not because they don't support it... its because OBVIOUSLY its just too damn slow. and it is in fact... too damn slow... poor thing just can't cope. You yahoos and your righteous anger and self inflicting head banging are pathetic. READ THE #%#%%@%@#% MANUAL WHAT DOES IT SAY? I rest my case for the 10000th time. Stop whining, stop making excuses. Go mow some lawns... buy a new mac.... and join reality for once... ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.05.07 20:18:00 - [117] Originally by: Senyru Suru besides - 10.6 is just around the corner. very shortly Tiger will be two system versions old. How well does the PC version run on pre-XP? If I recall correctly, it won't install on pre-XP machines. However I think it runs on 2000 and later if you do some chucking. Meanwhile 10.6 will kill Tiger. Apple only does product updates for their current OS, and security updates for their previous OS. That means Tiger loses security updates in another 6 months. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.05.07 20:28:00 - [118] Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Nekopyat Originally by: Drake Draconis Are you really that bitter or are you just blind? Neither. I am a software engineer who understands the difference between system requirements derived from the actual run time requirements of a package and whitelist configuration restrictions based on who knows what. Next time just say your blind... makes it easier on the rest of us.
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.05.07 20:38:00 - [119] Originally by: Ami Nia Really? Minimum system requirements means the minumum requirements the system needs to have to guarantee that the application runs on ALL such systems. The fact that YOU could run it on YOUR system does NOT mean your system satisfies the minimum requirements. All software can run on systems that are below the minimum system requirements. But it will only run on SOME of those systems. At which point the application should fail. Disabling an application because it _might_ not run is a different matter. Quote: You must be very very new to Apple then. And not very expert of non Apple stuff too, as I know of many many products that do the same even outside Apple. But let's stick with Apple here. Point, I will give you that apple can be a real jerk about such things. There have also been times where Microsoft did similiar things and they got yelled at quite a bit for it. Apple needs to get yelled at more. Quote: The point is: if you can do it and you do not need to ask how and you do forgo any support, then fine. It's surprising how many people say: yes I know it's not supported, but tell me how I can keep running it. Not supported MEANS you have no right to ask ANYTHING. So why do you ask? While I would not ask any support on CPP, I can still be annoyed that they explicitly while list now and are disallowing working situations. I have never asked them to fix any issues I have locally, nor have I complained about things that might be related to my unsupported configuration. I do not expect them to put any time or energy into making my life easier, but I can be displeased that they put time and energy into making my life more difficult when it was not necessary. It also annoys me professionally since the last came company I worked for new better then to pull stuff like this... for unsupported hardware don't put time into making things easier but do not deliberately make them harder either. Simple policy when looking at such decisions.
Solana Dal'Annae Silverleaf Industries	Posted - 2009.05.07 20:58:00 - [120] Edited by: Solana Dal''Annae on 07/05/2009 20:58:51 Today's (May 7) patch seems to have reverted to the old cider/gameversion, is that what others see too? (I am curious what people running unsupported OS versions are seeing as well. :P)

James Marlow	Posted - 2009.05.08 02:38:00 - [121] Originally by: Ami Nia Originally by: Cythes Our question is simple - how do we disable the dialog The supported way of removing it is using Leopard. The unsupported way ... is by definition not supported so there's no reason CCP should support it. You are alone on this. And as far as CCP is concerned you should not do it. Originally by: Cythes or who do we mail our credit card numbers to for refund? Refund for what? The game is not supported on tiger. Originally by: Cythes Just how clear do you need the question to be? Just how clear need the answers be? I'll put it in bold: do not run eve on tiger. Doing it is not supported. Not supported means any question about doing it has no official answer and any problem related to it is not a bug and will not be addressed. And it means any trick you may find to do it may stop working at any time with no advanced warning. Honestly, Ami, you're being a ***. Yes, okay, you could say everyone running Tiger is going about clandestinely playing Eve, but the fact of the matter is that up until this point Tiger has worked for many Mac users. CCP could simply do us 10.4ers a favor and make that little fix, and to vehemently repeat, essentially, "Why the hell are you trying to play Eve on Tiger, you're incredibly stupid in your lack of foresight and should be shut out forever from New Eden" is really sort of juvenile. Many players still use 10.4, and the sensible thing for CCP to do would be to cater, in some small way, to this group of players- we're a potential revenue source, and if we can't play, then we won't pay. It's castigating people like you that ruin my day. Stop being that guy who goes by the books 24/7 and lighten up. This is probably an easily remediable issue, and your criticisms should really play no part in this intercourse. Like, really, we accept that we technically* should have Leopard, but we don't, and we'd like to continue to play Eve. Is there really anything wrong with that?
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre People for Organised Peace	Posted - 2009.05.08 06:04:00 - [122] Waaah waaah waaah crying me a frakking river. Seriously people.. you want a box of tissues? If you can't read then you have no business complaining. Cry some MOAR! ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM!
Solana Dal'Annae Silverleaf Industries	Posted - 2009.05.08 08:27:00 - [123] Edited by: Solana Dal''Annae on 08/05/2009 08:27:51 Originally by: Drake Draconis Waaah waaah waaah crying me a frakking river. Seriously people.. you want a box of tissues? If you can't read then you have no business complaining. Cry some MOAR! What's up with you anyway? None of this has any effect on you at all. The people in question pay as much as anyone else for the game. Artificially blocking access to the game is just silly when it was working just fine. If however something has broken in the client, that's one thing. Until then a warning informing of the lack of support ought to be enough? Bugreports require you to provide a system profile anyway.
Nekopyat	Posted - 2009.05.08 14:01:00 - [124] Originally by: Drake Draconis Waaah waaah waaah crying me a frakking river. Seriously people.. you want a box of tissues? If you can't read then you have no business complaining. Cry some MOAR! Yet here you are are, crying about people complaining about an issue that doesn't even effect you? Oh noes! People on the internet are talking about something I don't care about! sob sob whine whine! Or do you just like the attention?

CCP Casqade	Posted - 2009.05.08 14:08:00 - [125] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1067690



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