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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:00:00 -
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And no I have not been on the gimp side of a high sec war myself.
The War Declaration fails in 2 major ways.
1 It becomes a way to pay off the police to pick on noobs. I know some of you feel this ability is vital to game play but it is not ant its bad game design. There is no reason to let a corp of bored mercs declare war on a corp of newbs where 5 or 6 people are trying the game and none have more than 3 or 4 million SP.
There is no challenge and no profit. All this does is discourage new players from staying in EVE and getting out of NPC corps.
2 Actually trouble makers just leave and reform corps as soon as they are War Decced.
The actual good reason behind being able to War Dec a high sec corp ends up totally failing anyway.
There are "corps" that reform a couple of time a week just to shed War Decs.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:02:00 -
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0/10
And to finish, thank you for reading my sig
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Kirzath
Sinister Elite
Raining Doom
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Ghoest
2 Actually trouble makers just leave and reform corps as soon as they are War Decced.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe corp hopping to avoid wardecs is an exploit.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:04:00 -
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Welcome on the bandwagon of wardec whines. You're late.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kirzath
Originally by: Ghoest
2 Actually trouble makers just leave and reform corps as soon as they are War Decced.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe corp hopping to avoid wardecs is an exploit.
You're wrong.
However, strategically accepting members into your corp (ie having somone sitting beside a wartarget, then accepting them in was deemed an exploit and changed accordingly.
Welcome to hello kitty online...
And to finish, thank you for reading my sig
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
10/10
Fixed that for you, because it is the truth.
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Originally by: Neth'Rae
Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Emerhyz
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:13:00 -
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War is part of life...If you live through a war, you learn to avoid pointers and pvp'ers, which allows u to learn about pvp'ing. Also, miners have to turtle, if they don't, more killmail for me.
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Samroski
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:14:00 -
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A year ago, soon after I had started eve and formed a corp with some other new players, an unknown corp declared war on us. I could not figure out why, as I could not imagine people wanting to kill for fun. I was the CEO and read this fantastic article on how to fight back, but the strategy needed about 20 players in the corp, and we were about 15 short. We fitted warp core stabilizers, got (some very good) intelligence on them, and stuck it out till they got frustrated and withdrew without a single kill.
Having been through all sorts of other scams and lies that Eve throws at you, I now feel that declaring war is a MUCH more honourable way getting your kills. Having been through it, I have nothing against it (though I will not do it myself), and if new players cannot handle it, too bad.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:17:00 -
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It is just plain sad to see people in rookie help asking what to do since they are in a corp with a few friends and wardecced. Because there only two correct responses: Leave the corp or let the opponents get bored (preferably by not undocking at all).
That is just as sad as people wardeccing rookies because they are afraid of targets who shoot back.
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Originally by: Neth'Rae
Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:18:00 -
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Terms should be presented from both sides, failure to meet these terms it's war till the death of whatever corporation is losing the war, no re-tracting, no arbitrary truce when going gets tough, meet the terms or suffer.
Delenda est achura. |
Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:18:00 -
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nobody is forcing anyone to form corps.
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Takon Orlani
Caldari
Rowdy Ramblers
Mortal Destruction
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:21:00 -
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Shut up Ghoest, I know where you lurk.
ROWDY WANTS YOU!! |
Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Corduroy Rab
nobody is forcing anyone to form corps.
Nobody was forcing you to post a non-constructive reply either but there it is.
Delenda est achura. |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 06/05/2009 16:25:46
Originally by: Takon Orlani
Shut up Ghoest, I know where you lurk.
LOLz Takon scares me and stuff. :/
EDIT: But seriously War Decs should serve a purpuse but its not working at all.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: Corduroy Rab
nobody is forcing anyone to form corps.
Nobody was forcing you to post a non-constructive reply either but there it is.
Thank you for proving my point. I put something out there which made me potential and valid target for reprisal. Corps are the same way. If you want to form one you have to risk being targeted by others. If you are going to post on the forums you have to risk being smacked, forming a corp is no different.
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Wilja Anrick
Caldari
XIII Interstellar Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:28:00 -
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War has been declared,
Iron clad mercenaries,
Put holes in Badger.
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Graelyn
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:32:00 -
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This sort of weeping doesn't deserve constructive reply.
What you call bad game design is a deep part of the intended game mechanics.
If you disagree, you are silly, as the devs confirm this constantly.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:37:00 -
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Its broken alright, but for different reasons.
Scable-able costs. You can price your alliance outa the market
Legal corp hopping makes anyone immune. aslong as they have enough corps/allainces to hop around
Non Deccable Noob corps which never kick members - so recommpence against those empire huggin smack talkers unless you suicde gank them.
Limited number of corp Wars.
24hour Cooling/warning periods.
No stratigic member acceptance.
Shooting noobs is not the issue - not being able to do it should they choose to bunny hop from corp to corp is the issue imo.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
This sort of weeping doesn't deserve constructive reply.
What you call bad game design is a deep part of the intended game mechanics.
If you disagree, you are silly, as the devs confirm this constantly.
Actually devs have confirmed more than one that they arent satisfied with the pay to grief noobs reality of the current mechanism.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Graelyn
This sort of weeping doesn't deserve constructive reply.
What you call bad game design is a deep part of the intended game mechanics.
If you disagree, you are silly, as the devs confirm this constantly.
Actually devs have confirmed more than one that they arent satisfied with the pay to grief noobs reality of the current mechanism.
If you fail to war dodge your a feaking idiot.
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Graelyn
Amarr
Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 06/05/2009 16:43:04
Originally by: Ghoest
Actually devs have confirmed more than one that they arent satisfied with the pay to grief noobs reality of the current mechanism.
You mean noobie corporations are an accidental mechanic?
This thread isn't very good...I'll have to ask the waiter for another. o/
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
Non Deccable Noob corps which never kick members - so recommpence against those empire huggin smack talkers unless you suicde gank them.
No stratigic member acceptance.
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This is a good point but it would result in a wave of cancellation.
In a perfect world anyone of 10 mill sp would be inserted automaticaly into faction war when they leave a player corp.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Leon Caedo
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Actually devs have confirmed more than one that they arent satisfied with the pay to grief noobs reality of the current mechanism.
I agree that this is an issue.. But, just to play the devil's advocate:
Link or it didn't happen.
石の上にも三年。 |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Graelyn
This sort of weeping doesn't deserve constructive reply.
What you call bad game design is a deep part of the intended game mechanics.
If you disagree, you are silly, as the devs confirm this constantly.
Actually devs have confirmed more than one that they arent satisfied with the pay to grief noobs reality of the current mechanism.
If you fail to war dodge your a feaking idiot.
Yes all noobs who quite the game because they cant make a corp with their friends while they learn the ropes are idiots.
Id rather keep the idiots around a bit.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Leon Caedo
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Graelyn
This sort of weeping doesn't deserve constructive reply.
What you call bad game design is a deep part of the intended game mechanics.
If you disagree, you are silly, as the devs confirm this constantly.
Actually devs have confirmed more than one that they arent satisfied with the pay to grief noobs reality of the current mechanism.
If you fail to war dodge your a feaking idiot.
Or you just started the game and don't know how to do anything. No one is worried about vets war dodging.
It does not make economic sense to have a system in a MMOG that discourages new players from actually playing the game.
Vet: "Hi, thanks for trying eve! Now I'm going to war dec you and force you to ragequit."
石の上にも三年。 |
Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:52:00 -
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Somebody wanna get me up to speed on what a warc is?
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Eli Porter
Amarr
Broski Enterprises
Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:53:00 -
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I think the issue is the inflexibility of Concord.
You wanna make ISK out of a corp that wants a pass to kill another corp's pilots? Fine. It's understandable.
But, if you wanna run a proper business, ask the opposing corp if they can offer you more in exchange for dear old concord keeping them safe from the big bad deccing corp.
Concord should be letting stuff slide for profit, right? Mind as well give the decced corp a chance to offer them more ISK than the deccing corp. Deccing costs relying purely on size is just silly.
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Adeline Grey
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:54:00 -
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Yes, the WARC is fail.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Leon Caedo
Originally by: Sorted
Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Graelyn
This sort of weeping doesn't deserve constructive reply.
What you call bad game design is a deep part of the intended game mechanics.
If you disagree, you are silly, as the devs confirm this constantly.
Actually devs have confirmed more than one that they arent satisfied with the pay to grief noobs reality of the current mechanism.
If you fail to war dodge your a feaking idiot.
Or you just started the game and don't know how to do anything. No one is worried about vets war dodging.
It does not make economic sense to have a system in a MMOG that discourages new players from actually playing the game.
Vet: "Hi, thanks for trying eve! Now I'm going to war dec you and force you to ragequit."
Or they could always do something dramatic like I don't know, fight back? You know those High Slots and F1~F8 were programmed in for a reason
///my vote is for sale, he who sends the most iskies gets it\\\ |
Corduroy Rab
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.05.06 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Adeline Grey
Yes, the WARC is fail.
lol, didn't notice that til just now 
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