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ChalSto LOCKDOWN. Cult of War	Posted - 2009.05.06 21:23:00 - [1] ...for compleatly and on purpose ignore the problem with blasters. Instead you fix the capital-stuff first with little impact on gameplay. History just repeats itself again. Blaster-pilots have to wait 3 years (again) for a fix. I bet you fix the still useles black-ops first . And...oh wonder.....Nozh has found out that there¦s something wrong with ECM (wow.....someting the community tould you for YEARS). Do your job. The current state of the game is a slap in the face of every EvE player that plays this game for longer than 6 years now.... Originally by: Agmar ----------------------------------------------- "The North is so ghey that even the NPCs fly ravens."
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun Somalian Pirates We	Posted - 2009.05.06 21:31:00 - [2] Blasters are fine.
Lee Dalton THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2009.05.06 22:04:00 - [3] Blasters are fine. *** You're only as good as your last fight.
MicroWarpdrive II Disorder. Shock Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.06 22:23:00 - [4] wahhhh my guns only do the most dps...what will i do? *I MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE MY GAMEPLAY STYLE*
Deva Blackfire D00M.	Posted - 2009.05.06 23:05:00 - [5] funny but... blasters are fine
Arcadia1701 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.05.07 01:23:00 - [6] There is nothing wrong with blasters. My sig> Post with your main, or don't post at all. My Skills
Grez Minmatar Core Contingency	Posted - 2009.05.07 02:52:00 - [7] "Excuse me sir, can I have some more, dama..." NO. --- Grez: I shot the sheriff Kalazar: But I could not lock the Deputy BECAUSE OF FALCON
Shadow Devourer	Posted - 2009.05.07 07:31:00 - [8] The problem isn't blasters. It's you.
Trimutius III Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.07 09:47:00 - [9] Edited by: Trimutius III on 07/05/2009 09:47:30 CCP is doing a hard work, they cannot just fix everything tommorow. An attempt of trolling has failed. P.S. And yes, learn how to use blasters. ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius
Aylara	Posted - 2009.05.07 10:37:00 - [10] Link the killmails dear sirs. Blasters only. No EFT. No blob. To the OP: We will see topics opened only when the developers will have a clear proposal on how the things will change. Otherwise is pointless. Also good ideas are not pulled out like rabbits from the hat.
Distorted Perception	Posted - 2009.05.07 16:23:00 - [11] I don't really see the problem with blasters? I wouldn't mind a bit more tracking but... it's not vital imo.
Kerdrak Big Guns Inc. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.07 17:20:00 - [12] What's the problem with the shortest range/highest damage weapons in game? ________________________________________
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.05.07 20:53:00 - [13] Problem I see is blasters and speed; MWD'ing in range hurts. :\
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.05.07 21:29:00 - [14] Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 07/05/2009 21:29:30 My friend NightmareX has a strong view; The problem i see within Blaster users today is that many of those who are old school Blaster pilots doesn't want to accept it that Blasters isn't the pwn machine anylonger. The reason for the web nerf was to not let the Large guns be the pwn machine and let them kill everything. And then, what's the point with the web nerf if you want to have a tracking boost on the Blasters again?. They just end up by pwning everything again then. No one want that to happen. You need to use your brain now to be effective with Blasters, like we Minmatar players must have done for all of the years now to be effective in the Minmatar ships. Welcome out of the easy mode world. Amarr are now FOTM and easy mode. And as you can see by some movies, increasing the tracking on Blasters is going to make a ship that is called Kronos to be ridicoulusly overpowered. Just watch Darknesss latest movie and watch how much that Kronos is pwning smaller ships. It's just waaay way crazy. And that's something i don't want to see. Kronos as it is now is pretty much how Blaster Mega was before the web and speed nerf. Kronos cost alot of isk, but it's worth it to because of the web bonus + the tanking bonus. The only solution to increase the tracking is to make the Megathron ONLY to have better tracking. So i rather see the Megathron get it's tracking bonus boosted then instead of boosting Blasters all around. And as for me and Blasters, i have never had any problems to hit targets. I could even hit a Pilgrim that was dual tracking disrupting while orbiting me at 2-3 km at a speed of 250 m/s in a Mega. And that tells you on how good the tracking is for Blasters. I would really like to see if an Armageddon or Abaddon would even manage to hit that Pilgrim at all. That was my words for now...
Joy Bruce	Posted - 2009.05.08 03:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 07/05/2009 21:29:30 My friend NightmareX has a strong view; The problem i see within Blaster users today is that many of those who are old school Blaster pilots doesn't want to accept it that Blasters isn't the pwn machine anylonger. The reason for the web nerf was to not let the Large guns be the pwn machine and let them kill everything. And then, what's the point with the web nerf if you want to have a tracking boost on the Blasters again?. They just end up by pwning everything again then. No one want that to happen. You need to use your brain now to be effective with Blasters, like we Minmatar players must have done for all of the years now to be effective in the Minmatar ships. Welcome out of the easy mode world. Amarr are now FOTM and easy mode. And as you can see by some movies, increasing the tracking on Blasters is going to make a ship that is called Kronos to be ridicoulusly overpowered. Just watch Darknesss latest movie and watch how much that Kronos is pwning smaller ships. It's just waaay way crazy. And that's something i don't want to see. Kronos as it is now is pretty much how Blaster Mega was before the web and speed nerf. Kronos cost alot of isk, but it's worth it to because of the web bonus + the tanking bonus. The only solution to increase the tracking is to make the Megathron ONLY to have better tracking. So i rather see the Megathron get it's tracking bonus boosted then instead of boosting Blasters all around. And as for me and Blasters, i have never had any problems to hit targets. I could even hit a Pilgrim that was dual tracking disrupting while orbiting me at 2-3 km at a speed of 250 m/s in a Mega. And that tells you on how good the tracking is for Blasters. I would really like to see if an Armageddon or Abaddon would even manage to hit that Pilgrim at all. That was my words for now... You Sir have absolutely no idea what you are talking about! Go sit in your cloaking vagabond and gank Drakes. This is your easy-mode which CCP allowed for too long. If a Pilgrim orbits a Megathron within 2-3km, the Pilgrim pilot should go back to school. POINT The problem with Blasters is that DPS is nice but EvE is about speed, also after the speednerf. Yes! And if you think 3-6km range is enough for a cruiser class vessel to hit other ships of the three other races you are wrong. And having people like you orbiting my battlecruiser in a Vagabond within freaking 20km and a passivtank as big as a Battleship, moving around with 400m/s or running with 3500m/s is okey or what? You need the i-win-button my friend. Come back if you ever really use a Blaster and gave it a try on several different ocassions. Thx. Joy
big miker Minmatar Order of Anarchy	Posted - 2009.05.08 08:56:00 - [16] Edited by: big miker on 08/05/2009 08:56:25 Originally by: ChalSto ...for compleatly and on purpose ignore the problem with blasters. Instead you fix the capital-stuff first with little impact on gameplay. History just repeats itself again. Blaster-pilots have to wait 3 years (again) for a fix. I bet you fix the still useles black-ops first . And...oh wonder.....Nozh has found out that there¦s something wrong with ECM (wow.....someting the community tould you for YEARS). Do your job. The current state of the game is a slap in the face of every EvE player that plays this game for longer than 6 years now.... He can't kill frigates with Large blasters anymore
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2009.05.13 09:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Joy Bruce Originally by: Admiral IceBlock Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 07/05/2009 21:29:30 My friend NightmareX has a strong view; The problem i see within Blaster users today is that many of those who are old school Blaster pilots doesn't want to accept it that Blasters isn't the pwn machine anylonger. The reason for the web nerf was to not let the Large guns be the pwn machine and let them kill everything. And then, what's the point with the web nerf if you want to have a tracking boost on the Blasters again?. They just end up by pwning everything again then. No one want that to happen. You need to use your brain now to be effective with Blasters, like we Minmatar players must have done for all of the years now to be effective in the Minmatar ships. Welcome out of the easy mode world. Amarr are now FOTM and easy mode. And as you can see by some movies, increasing the tracking on Blasters is going to make a ship that is called Kronos to be ridicoulusly overpowered. Just watch Darknesss latest movie and watch how much that Kronos is pwning smaller ships. It's just waaay way crazy. And that's something i don't want to see. Kronos as it is now is pretty much how Blaster Mega was before the web and speed nerf. Kronos cost alot of isk, but it's worth it to because of the web bonus + the tanking bonus. The only solution to increase the tracking is to make the Megathron ONLY to have better tracking. So i rather see the Megathron get it's tracking bonus boosted then instead of boosting Blasters all around. And as for me and Blasters, i have never had any problems to hit targets. I could even hit a Pilgrim that was dual tracking disrupting while orbiting me at 2-3 km at a speed of 250 m/s in a Mega. And that tells you on how good the tracking is for Blasters. I would really like to see if an Armageddon or Abaddon would even manage to hit that Pilgrim at all. That was my words for now... You Sir have absolutely no idea what you are talking about! Go sit in your cloaking vagabond and gank Drakes. This is your easy-mode which CCP allowed for too long. If a Pilgrim orbits a Megathron within 2-3km, the Pilgrim pilot should go back to school. POINT The problem with Blasters is that DPS is nice but EvE is about speed, also after the speednerf. Yes! And if you think 3-6km range is enough for a cruiser class vessel to hit other ships of the three other races you are wrong. And having people like you orbiting my battlecruiser in a Vagabond within freaking 20km and a passivtank as big as a Battleship, moving around with 400m/s or running with 3500m/s is okey or what? You need the i-win-button my friend. Come back if you ever really use a Blaster and gave it a try on several different ocassions. Thx. Joy Let me just add that this is not my view, it is the view of NightmareX. He could not post so I posted it for him.
MJ Maverick IronPig Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.05.14 15:38:00 - [18] There's a blaster problem? Except maybe a little more range. -------------------- CCP arse kissing drones are not welcome in my threads. CCP are not perfect.
Dart Sirius	Posted - 2009.05.14 22:06:00 - [19] I like blaster they do omg DPS the only problem with them is their range even a few +km falloff can fix them but nvm CCP not fix anything they just make more problems...
super bomberman	Posted - 2009.05.14 22:30:00 - [20] Un-nerf null back to optimal range bonus only instead of op + fo and blasters will be p.sweet again
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.05.14 23:40:00 - [21] Hmmmm. Blasters have problems?. Not that i know about though. Maybe fix the t2 ammo instead that really is the problem tbh. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Cheekie Minmatar	Posted - 2009.05.15 03:55:00 - [22] HAHA, I would love to see how bad you would whine if you flew minnie ships with real crap weapons (projectiles). Here is a link to a real problem with real answers that most of eve agrees with. Crap guns
Dart Sirius	Posted - 2009.05.15 09:49:00 - [23] Most of EVE fly matar ships and want a bigger WIN button thats why they agree lol Vagabond vs WHAT? theres anything in game can catch/tackle/kill a vaga?? i dont want to whine so i started fly them too.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.15 12:18:00 - [24] Originally by: NightmareX Hmmmm. Blasters have problems?. Not that i know about though. Maybe fix the t2 ammo instead that really is the problem tbh. No it¦s not, even if the T2 close range Amnos need a new purpose anyway. Pls don¦t start another threadnaugt. Originally by: Cheekie HAHA, I would love to see how bad you would whine if you flew minnie ships with real crap weapons (projectiles). Here is a link to a real problem with real answers that most of eve agrees with. Crap guns For someone that can fly both and have flown Blasterships thrue the hole nano age(successfull actualy), this would sound amusing if it wouldn¦t be sad actualy. Hint, even the biggest damage output in EvE can(and actualy does atm) fail if it isn¦t enught to break your target at close range before you die, even the most dedicated close range ships are nearly as helpless at close range as all other ships at close range thx to the QR changes. Namely Scrams, sucky 60% Webs + the new tracking/range issuses within Web range, the big vs small reballance, and the Med Drone nerf(gess what all Blaster Cruisers\BCs use). The diffrence is, you actual have to fight at this range most of the time if you want to win, you need to trick/hunt down the target to get it to a range where you still not realy outperforme it and you throw away any kind of GTFO ability dooing so fully willingly. That isn¦t wrong in any way but allways forgotten by the people quoting her EFT DPS and think they are super powerfull close range pawn machines without any drawbacks. They are not atm, at least not in her solo role. Another Hint, anybody knows that Projektiels suck for a long time, you are not the first that has come to this extrem obvious conclusion, that still don¦t gives you the right to run a rant in other topics about problems that are not this obvious and apearendly fully unknown to you. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.05.15 13:27:00 - [25] Edited by: NightmareX on 15/05/2009 13:36:08 Originally by: The Djego Originally by: NightmareX Hmmmm. Blasters have problems?. Not that i know about though. Maybe fix the t2 ammo instead that really is the problem tbh. No it¦s not, even if the T2 close range Amnos need a new purpose anyway. Pls don¦t start another threadnaugt. No i don't have plans on doing that either, because i'm really tired to discuss with stupid players / noobs who can't use Blasters. Have you by the way seen the movie to Darknesss?. If you haven't then please watch it. It shows what a very good Blaster pilot can do in a Kronos, Navy Mega and a Hyperion. Leilani Solaris that are in D00M to also have a nice video with lots of Blaster actions. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.15 16:28:00 - [26] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: The Djego Originally by: NightmareX Hmmmm. Blasters have problems?. Not that i know about though. Maybe fix the t2 ammo instead that really is the problem tbh. No it¦s not, even if the T2 close range Amnos need a new purpose anyway. Pls don¦t start another threadnaugt. No i don't have plans on doing that either, because i'm really tired to discuss with stupid players / noobs who can't use Blasters after how things are in PVP TODAY. The only reason you and others are screaming for a boost to Blasters is because your bitter because Blasters isn't the instakill for frigs and can't hit frigs / cruisers good anymore. So we down to all that disagree with you are stupid/bitter/noobs again? I instakill Frigs and Cruisers with my Blastermega just fine thank you, I simply do it out of Web range. And everytime I do this I feel it is uterly broken for a Blastership concept. Originally by: NightmareX And if you think the tracking is broken for Blasters only, your terribly wrong, because the whole tracking formula is the thing that is broken if there is something that is broken. This was actualy one of the points in the first thread(as the QR change was on Sissi) that a modified tracking formula could be a overall solution. To make it clear, tracking with Blasters at Blaster range has issues, any other turret have the same or even worse issues, at this range. The point is that the Blaster is intendet to work on this range and other Turrets got greater range they are designed to work in. The low Range is a main Drawback of the Blasters, a tracking that don¦t let you apply your max damage(till situations you plain loose most of it) to your targets at your range should be not a main drawback(since this is pointless). Originally by: NightmareX Have you by the way seen the movie to Darknesss?. If you haven't then please watch it. It shows what a very good Blaster pilot can do in a Kronos, Navy Mega and a Hyperion. Leilani Solaris that are in D00M to also have a nice video with lots of Blaster actions in a Mega. Yes I have seen this one from Darknesss. It shows how awsome a Blastership with a 90% Web is, it shows how cool it looks if you tank your hole overview with a 6 B Kronos(that tanks 3k+ dps), fights in a slaved Navy Mega with around 100k Armor and a Hyperion against lots of BS that are tankable(if 2-3 BS can¦t own you with a T2 Tank, you don¦t do it right, they dooing it wrong). As you can see in various situations with the 60% Web he needs to Neut Cruisers/Frigs down to get a chance to kill them(mainly with Drones, since Im forced to do exactly the same since QR to). The movie has awsome ships, piloting and module handling, no offence but if you look closer you will see suizide Sleips(that don¦t realy seem to even have a real tank fitted), active tanking Ravens(no offence 9/10 Ravens are crap fitted on TQ) the picture becomes a bit more resonalbe... If you mean Elite from Leilari this was pre QR... Originally by: NightmareX Blasters are fine as they are now. It is your personal Opinion. I disagree with it, thats it. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.05.17 23:37:00 - [27] Edited by: NightmareX on 17/05/2009 23:44:25 The Djego. I have a question to you. Should i listen to you that Blaster isn't fine, or should i listen to Darknesss and many other Blaster pilots in the same corp i'm in who also are extremely good with Blaster ships that have a pretty nice stats when it's about Blaster Mega's and other Blaster ships who says Blasters are fine?. You can see the stats to Darknesss for example here. I think i will trust him when he says Blasters are fine. And about the tracking on Blasters. When the tracking formula is the real problem here, then it's not the Blasters that is the problem. It's the tracking formula ONLY that is the problem here. Fix the tracking formula, not the Blasters. Because the Blasters alone are fine. EDIT: You said this The Djego: It shows how awsome a Blastership with a 90% Web is. Yeah it shows how overpowered a Blaster BS is with a 90% web. I'm really happy that the webs was nerfed to 60% so the Battleships isn't an instadeath for frigs and cruisers. 90% web on a Kronos is fine, because it's a ship that IS meant to hit small ships. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise
Vincent Strasz	Posted - 2009.05.17 23:42:00 - [28] If you think blasters are bad, I challenge you to go try acs for a while. You have the highest dps in the game with the best tracking. I don't see why you can't have a downside with poor range.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2009.05.19 10:36:00 - [29] Originally by: NightmareX The Djego. I have a question to you. Should i listen to you that Blaster isn't fine, or should i listen to Darknesss and many other Blaster pilots in the same corp i'm in who also are extremely good with Blaster ships that have a pretty nice stats when it's about Blaster Mega's and other Blaster ships who says Blasters are fine?. You can see the stats to Darknesss for example here. I think i will trust Darknesss when he says Blasters are fine. The awnser is simple. I don¦t care, serious. I don¦t want to convince you, since it is A. pointless and B. impossible. My Issues with Blasters are my own opinion, not somebody else opinion. If Darknesss thinks it is fine for him im cool with this. Yet I pointed out some Issues I have in my personal gameplay with them and I also got all this fancy Skills at 5 and know how Blaster PVP works. There are also a lot of people that sharing my opinion, also "don¦t" sell your opinion as the general alliance opinion, yust remember about the alliance feedback you got on your points about the Tempest is fine... Originally by: NightmareX And about the tracking on Blasters. When the tracking formula is the real problem here, then it's not the Blasters that is the problem. It's the tracking formula ONLY that is the problem here. Fix the tracking formula, not the Blasters. Because the Blasters alone are fine. This Topic was like 6 Month ago, with 2 preaty nice solutions(thx to Liang & Gabriel) but didn¦t get any dev attention. The Problem is that Blasters have to work on a range where it becomes a problem, that doesn¦t mean it is not broken for other turrets to, but simply affect Blasters most often. Originally by: NightmareX EDIT: You said this The Djego: It shows how awsome a Blastership with a 90% Web is. Yeah it shows how overpowered a Blaster BS is with a 90% web. I'm really happy that the webs was nerfed to 60% so the Battleships isn't an instadeath for frigs and cruisers. 90% web on a Kronos is fine, because it's a ship that IS meant to hit small ships. Actualy It wasn¦t realy possible to kill Frigs with the 90% Web and BS blasters if the pilote didn¦t make the fatal mistake to stay at 5-9km(ofc many did and still doing it). People simply fixed this "issue" by common sense to not get into web range of a blaster ships most of the time if they can¦t handle it. The game was about catching people, not about having issues killing them once you did. Blaster Ships in QR all lost her 90% Webs(Kronos lost his 99% Web what was quite nice for PVE) without any kind of compensation for this, the Kronos isn¦t op because It has a 90% Web, the others are lacking because they don¦t have it. The reason for this was because all Nano Pilotes complained that Web range is sudden death to them, not because Blaster Ships beeing to OP. Or do you think Blasterships where OP during the Nano age? I personaly prefere the more powerfull Web idea on Blasterships(not even 90% even 70-75% would help a mile) because it also sloves kitting in Web range, preventing people to escape(like burn back to the gate) and a better chance to keep them at your range. Originally by: NightmareX EDIT 2: About the movie to Leilani Solaris. It's not Elite i'm thinking on, it's this one HERE. Ok, I have not seen a Blaster Movie in the last 2 years that actualy suprised me(expet the active ST Hype from TFS). The point is I fly them to and know how it looks, what happens in this and that situation and how DPS/Tank work out at several ranges. Most of the time you see heavy tanked ships in this vids, I personaly do the oposite and try to gank people with max DPS solo, thats why the damagelose by tracking is fare more a Issue to me than to others. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
NightmareX D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.05.19 19:38:00 - [30] The Djego. It's pretty funny to read all of the whines that Blasters are so crap etc etc. Because everytime someone release a movie with some Mega, Navy Mega, Kronos, Hyperion or a Rokh, they are doing a very very nice jobs in those ships everytime. I think all of those movies are showing enough that Blasters is working good as long your doing it right. Maybe all of you whiners should find a new tactics to how PVP is today with your large Blaster ships instead of whining. Like we had to do with our Vagabonds for example when CCP nerfed the speed. We then had to change something on our setups and we also had to change a little on out tactics on how to fly the ship etc to be able to be effective in the ship. We did that and guess what?, yes we are doing great in the Vagabond. So now you can do the same with the Blasters BS'es to, find a new way to use your Blaster BS'es in and maybe change something on your setup to. When Darknesss and many others can be very very good with a Blaster Mega, Blaster Kronos, Blaster Hyperion, Blaster Navy Mega etc, then you can be that to. It's no excuses that Blasters on BS'es are poor only because your lazy to not use new tactics / setups. Check out my new flash web page: Dark Paradise

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